Obama Backing Away From Closing Down Guantanamo Bay

On the campaign trail Obama found Guantanamo Bay to be an easy target to fire upon in front of adoring left-wing crowds. Time and again he promised to close down the facility and end the “torture” (like, um, music played loudly) that is allegedly happening there. But now that he’s actually the commander-in-chief and has to actually make decisions that he’ll ultimately be held responsible for he’s finding that the issue of Guantanamo isn’t quite as cut-and-dried as those on the left would have us believe.

President-elect Barack Obama said this weekend that he does not expect to close Guantanamo Bay in his first 100 days in office.
“I think it’s going to take some time and our legal teams are working in consultation with our national security apparatus as we speak to help design exactly what we need to do,” Obama said in an exclusive “This Week” interview with George Stephanopoulos, his first since arriving in Washington.
“It is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize,” the president-elect explained. “Part of the challenge that you have is that you have a bunch of folks that have been detained, many of whom may be very dangerous who have not been put on trial or have not gone through some adjudication. And some of the evidence against them may be tainted even though it’s true. And so how to balance creating a process that adheres to rule of law, habeas corpus, basic principles of Anglo-American legal system, by doing it in a way that doesn’t result in releasing people who are intent on blowing us up.”

“Tainted even though it’s true.” Chilling words, I think. It indicates that Barack Obama may be willing to release dangerous terrorists back into the world, freeing them to take up once again their jihad against America and western-style freedom in general, based not on their actual innocence but upon some legal technicality.
This is what happens when you put lawyers in charge of national security.
But at least Obama does seem to be grasping that simply releasing the dangerous criminals detained at Guantanamo Bay – criminals no other country want – could well result in a PR nightmare for him. Because if even one of those released detainees is caught again attacking our troops in the middle east, or involved in some terror plot, the blood will be on his hands.
It’s very easy to rail against Guantanamo Bay. It’s easy to march in the streets wearing orange jumpsuits and decrying the alleged mistreatment (for which there is no evidence) of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. It’s quite another to be the person responsible for releasing them back into the world, and the one who must face the consequences for such a decision.

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  • http://Array FlyOnTheWall

    “Tainted even though it’s true.” Chilling words, I think. It indicates that Barack Obama may be willing to release dangerous terrorists back into the world,

    Atleast he understands the problem with Gitmo, I had serious doubts during the election. We captured really bad guys but now we’ve got a choice between releasing them, killing them or holding them forever. The good decision won’t happen, too much bad press.

    My guess is they’ll be quietly released to their home country where they’ll be tortured and killed.

  • carrick

    Political rhetoric is no match for the facts, Dino.

    Dig up a million out-of-context quotes, and that still won’t match your liberal Democratic bud’s making monkeys of themselves on television.

    This footage fucks your story completely, and if you were at all truthful you’d admit it. But like all liberals, the facts are malleable and bent to match your current narrative.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    I don’t recall what Bush promised if elected but I’m sure it wasn’t to double the national debt, start a 3 trillion dollar war based on lies and deeply divide the country along ideological lines.

    Oh, and then destroy the economy with trillion dollar deficits and gross mismanagement.

    “I’m a uniter not a divider”.

    Stupid, ignorant piece of shit.

  • carrick

    Ellinas:

    How about the FBI? Do they waterboard or do they not.

    I suppose it hasn’t occurred to you that waterboarding may be a dumb idea as an interrogation method, without it having to amount to torture.

  • carrick

    Elinas:

    There are plenty of place(s) to put them. You are just saying this to obfuscate and make cheap political points.

    Denial is not the same thing as a counter argument.

    It is well known that many of the more hardcore terrorists have no country that wants them. If you don’t know this, then you have obviously lied about having “red about it”.

  • carrick

    Proof:

    We appreciate you signing your work, Dino!

    And I appreciate him showing up for his daily beatings.

    The putz is a true masochist.

  • ellinas

    Kenny! I have to repeat my self in order for some people to stay focused.
    Plus you are just saying shit to distract and obfuscate.
    Move along. Nothing for you to do here.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Stupid, ignorant piece of shit.

    We appreciate you signing your work, Dino!

  • jk

    DINO: Start a war based on lies??? You mean the lies that Colin Powell presented to the U.N. with documents and photo’s? Those lies?
    You’re a joke. We all appreciate your entertainment value…
    Le Cage

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    AP IMPACT: How Freddie Mac halted regulatory drive

    Internal Freddie Mac budget records show $11.7 million was paid to 52 outside lobbyists and consultants in 2006. Power brokers such as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich were recruited with six-figure contracts. Freddie Mac paid the following amounts to the firms of former Republican lawmakers or ex-GOP staffers in 2006:

    _Sen. Alfonse D’Amato of New York, at Park Strategies, $240,000.

    _Rep. Vin Weber of Minnesota, at Clark & Weinstock, $360,297.

    _Rep. Susan Molinari of New York, at Washington Group, $300,062.

    _Susan Hirschmann at Williams & Jensen, former chief of staff to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, $240,790.

    Freddie Mac’s chairman and chief executive, Dick Syron, and McLoughlin, senior vice president for external relations, used Clark and Weinstock extensively, Weber said in an e-mail Friday.

    “I personally met with the CEO several times and with Hollis and his team regularly,” Weber said in the e-mail. “Clark and Weinstock worked effectively and intensely for Freddie Mac under Dick Syron and Hollis McLoughlin.”

    The tactics worked–for a time. Freddie Mac was able to operate with a relatively free hand until the housing bubble ultimately burst in 2007.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Good morning, Cut-and-paste bob!

    You say it best when you say nothing at all.
    Heh.

  • Chimerical Id

    Just curious…. why is it a legal “team” a number of persons associated in some joint action: a team of advisers, and a national security “apparatus” a group or combination of instruments, machinery, tools, materials, etc., having a particular function or intended for a specific use: Our town has excellent fire-fighting apparatus? I did not vote for Obama, so maybe that’s why I have no outcry for his backing off on his implied “change”. Oh, and dino, if only President Bush had a crystal ball to see the impending 9/11 attack that Clinton enabled.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Political rhetoric is no match for the president’s own economic advisors telling him there was seriously problems with F&F but he ignored them. Why?

    FHA commissioner (Falcon) under Bush raised concerns of subprime risks in a written memo on Dec 2005. He was ignored by the White House who did not want to regulate the subprime industry.

    When the the head of the agency that oversaw Freddie & Fannie warned of trouble in a report and was almost fired for it. Here’s why:

    At the time, Fannie and Freddie were allies in the president’s quest to drive up homeownership rates; Franklin D. Raines, then Fannie’s chief executive, has fond memories of visiting Mr. Bush in the Oval Office and flying aboard Air Force One to a housing event. “They loved us,” he said.
    So when Mr. Falcon refused to deep-six his report, Mr. Raines took his complaints to top Treasury officials and the White House. “I’m going to do what I need to do to defend my company and my position,” Mr. Raines told Mr. Falcon.
    Days later, as Mr. Falcon was in New York preparing to deliver a speech about his findings, his cellphone rang. It was the White House personnel office, he said, telling him he was about to be unemployed.
    His warnings were buried in the next day’s news coverage, trumped by the White House announcement that Mr. Bush would replace Mr. Falcon, a Democrat appointed by Bill Clinton, with Mark C. Brickell, a leader in the derivatives industry that Mr. Falcon’s report had flagged.

    ————-
    When a bill to provide more oversight to Freddie & Fannie passed the House, the White House issued a statement opposing it. Why? Mike Oxley, REPUBLICAN and chairman of the committee who produced the bill:

    “The problem with those guys at the White House, they had all the answers and they didn’t think they had to listen to anyone, including the Treasury secretary,” Mr. Oxley said in a recent interview. “They were driving the ideological train. He was in the caboose, and they were in the engine room.”

  • ellinas

    Carrick. Because you and I are told that we have no facilities to house them does not make it so.
    Because we are told there are no countries to accept them does not make it so.
    Be advised that if no alternative to Gitmo is found, then GITMO is fine with me.
    There is nothing wrong with housing anyone at GITMO.
    What a lot of people are opposed to, are the interrogation tactics. The torture.
    When we accuse other countries of human rights violations, we must ensure that we do not engage in such conduct.
    I am LMAO at your erroneous conclusions about my
    position(s) on the matter, and your feigned gullibility at the info the government is feeding you. After all it is you the cons/neocons/right wingers that are screaming that the government is not to be trusted.
    Why should I believe you now that you trust our government to tell us the truth?

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Dino talks about Fannie Mae.

    Ellinas just repeats herself.

    This is what passes for debate on the left.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob
  • ellinas

    DINO: Start a war based on lies??? You mean the lies that Colin Powell presented to the U.N. with documents and photo’s? Those lies?

    jk on January 11, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Yes those lies.
    You’re a joke. We all appreciate your entertainment value…

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    Once again with FM & FM … the DEMOCRATS are, ARE the main culprits to blame for the financial mess with their social meddling NOT mandated by the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATEDS OF AMERICA. The DEMOCRATS are, ARE the ones who didn’t capture, kill or stifle bin laden. Gitmo is where the prisoners need to be – and they’ve never been treated any worse than what fraternities do to their pledges. Keep Gitmo or send them BACK to their OWN countries to be dealt with as their own “government” sees fit. The entire world will be better off when all the liberal democrats decide to STOP reproducing in an effort to make their carbon footprints as teeny tiny as possible and run themselves out of existence.

  • robert108

    Once again: I would like to know why our police and sheriff’s Dept’s do not employ such an interrogation tactic/technique.

    Your question assumes facts not in evidence. Like everything else you post, it is a lie.

    You failed to answer my question. Would you favor any means of interrogation that would save you and your family from drooling terrorists? I know it’s difficult for you, but make a real effort to be honest.

  • Mickey

    And I appreciate him showing up for his daily beatings.

    The putz is a true masochist.

    I envision dino dressed in a leather homo mask / slave costume with the dog collar around his neck. He’s in a large parrot cage where the bottom is lined with the NY Times. Outside of the cage is a midget dominatrix feeding dino Saltines through the cage wires and patiently repeating the phrase “pretty bird…pretty bird…pretty bird…”

    But I digress.

  • Mickey

    they would be humbled by their massive ineptitude and failure.

    Fanni Mae And Freddi Mac, A Democrat program managed by Democrats.

    yuk yuk yuk
    Pretty bird

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    I believe your other personality Mickey posted about F&F first.

  • ellinas

    Can any Obama supporter justify or explain what Obama is doing here?
    *looks through the thread*
    Apparently not. All we get is lies and insults.
    So much for “hope” and “change”.
    likwidshoe on January 11, 2009 at 10:24 am

    He is carefully evaluating what has and needs to be done.
    The ones that thought he was going to close gitmo right away, are the loonies on both sides. Likwidshoe, I don’t know much about your position on Obama and Gitmo, but do know that the cons/neocons/Republicans,and generaly right wing loonies that post here were terified, and/or feigned fear at the mere sugestion of Gitmo biting the dust.

  • robert108

    Thank you, for your kind epithets.

    You lie again; when I smack your lies with the truth, it is neither kind, nor an “epithet”; it is the truth. The truth always hurts a liar.

  • ellinas

    Carrick. Funny how you try to point what you consider errors on my part, yet you ignore gems like this:

    Noixz on January 11, 2009 at 03:39 pm: “Read up on Guantanamo Bay, there are several units. These prisoners live like some of the regular wealthy outside of the penal system, you really need to look it up and read about it.”

    What is it with you? Partisan blindness?

  • jimmypop

    this is one of barrys best ideas… cant think of another off hand…. but id liek to see him do it. this is a profound waste.

    they need kill them if found guilty or send them back to their home countries (even if their homes dont want them or they wind up dead a couple days after they get there).

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Once again, the evil arsonist republicans bitch when the dem firemen come to try and put out the fire.

    What human garbage republicans are. If they had a shred of decency they would be humbled by their massive ineptitude and failure.

    But they have NONE.

  • robert108

    e liar: Waterboarding is interrogation, not “torture”. You are simply a pathological liar, and abysmally ignorant, to boot.

  • Mickey

    I don’t recall what Bush promised if elected but I’m sure it wasn’t to double the national debt, …

    Odd enough, Obama has promised to double the nations debt and this may be the only promise he keeps.

  • ellinas

    Denial is not the same thing as a counter argument.
    It is well known that many of the more hardcore terrorists have no country that wants them. If you don’t know this, then you have obviously lied about having “red about it”.

    Carrick on January 11, 2009 at 02:32 pm

    Carrick. My counter argument is still the same: There are plenty of place(s) to put them. You are just saying this to obfuscate and make cheap political points.
    Your labeling my counter argument as a denial, is meaningless and designed to distract from the point I made.
    If you don’t know that there are plenty of places to put them, then you have obviously don’t know much, or are just saying it to obfuscate and distract.

  • ellinas

    And Powell did such an excellent job of presenting that evidence.

    jk on January 11, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    I have to disagree with you. Nobody got fooled by him.
    Except for the loons.

  • ellinas

    e liar: Waterboarding is interrogation, not “torture”. You are simply a pathological liar, and abysmally ignorant, to boot.

    robert108 on January 11, 2009 at 05:01 pm

    robert108. Thank you, for your kind epithets.
    I would like to know why our police and sheriff’s Dept’s do not employ such an interrogation tactic/technique.
    How about the FBI? Do they waterboard or do they not.

  • ellinas

    Mickey. You pervert you. Wow! You have a lot of suppressed desires.

  • carrick

    And since Ellinas is not capable of admitting error,
    I’ll simply point out again there are no other countries that want the hardcore terrorists like KSM, and there are really no other comparable US security facilities that could match the level of security provided by Gitmo.

    If Ellians want’s to disprove it, he can simply come up with one example of a country that would accept these terrorists, or the name of a federal facility that would be equally secure.

    Had to laugh by the way that pointing out Ellinas’s factual errors somehow made me blinded by partisanship.

    Just too funny. LOL.

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  • carrick

    Ellinas, if you don’t recognize this statement “there are plenty of places to put them” as an erroneous statement, then you are still lying about having “red all about it”.

    So all the rest of your jabber is just so much obfuscation.

    If you want to discuss how these guys live, that’s fine with me, but that’s not the part of your rant that I was taking exception with, and amounts to a bit of a strawman in this context.

  • carrick

    LOL, Dino tries his hand at obfuscation now.

    Trouble is his lying liars in the Democratic caucus have been caught on camera:

    Watch the coverup by the Democrats in 2004.

    Quote “We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae”–Maxine Walters.

  • ellinas

    Carrick. Robert108′s words on this thread :

    Waterboarding is interrogation, not “torture”.
    robert108 on January 11, 2009 at 05:01 pm

    I was asking him if that were true why our law enfocement including the FBI do not use the method of interogation.
    Thank you for your honesty though.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    So, every campaign promise Obama breaks will be…change?

  • ellinas

    robert108. You have avoided my question.
    Once again: I would like to know why our police and sheriff’s Dept’s do not employ such an interrogation tactic/technique.
    How about the FBI? Do they waterboard or do they not.
    Why use such an interrogation tool on terrorists only? Why stop there? Don’t you think this interrogation technique would solve a lot of crimes? It would also prevent a lot of crimes, since the criminal will be forced to divulge future crimes, including those of his/her associates.
    I doubt any of your claims are true, but I would hope that if your local law enforcement officials catch a criminal who is going to rob you and your family, or who is planning to make a rape and molestation video of you and your family, they use any and all means possible to prevent that from happening, don’t you?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Noixz on January 11, 2009 at 03:39 pm Read up on Guantanamo Bay, there are several units. These prisoners live like some of the regular wealthy outside of the penal system, you really need to look it up and read about it. If Guantanamo closes, it would be a tragedy for them. There is nothing unjust going on there. The American public is lucky to even know it exists and they bitch about it. These prisoners will not get released in to regular populus. They will most likely be transferred to another detention center, no one has heard of, and possibly loose all communication with any kid of family they had. Cuba is a very kind host, people should thank the good people of Cuba for allowing and being genuinely kind, a unique quality in the world today.

    These prisoners are respected. Hey America could always go the moon route, like the good people of China did. Housing prisoners on the moon doesn’t sound cruel, either. Lots of money invested in prisoners health, all over the world, and to think, some countries are willing to further spend and fly some of these offenders on out to outer space.

    Tell this to all of these lefties who think we are roughing these guys up on a regular basis.

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    Outside of the cage is a midget dominatrix feeding dino Saltines through the cage wires

    The dominatrix should be a huge Aztec Woman Wrestler …

  • robert108

    I would like to know why our police and sheriff’s Dept’s do not employ such an interrogation tactic/technique.

    Since you are a known liar, I doubt any of your claims are true, but I would hope that if your local law enforcement officials catch a terrorist who is going to blow you and your family to bits, or who is planning to make a beheading video of you and your family, they use any and all means possible to prevent that from happening, don’t you?
    Personally, I think waterboarding is too kind to drooling savages who wish to destroy my country.

  • Noixz

    Read up on Guantanamo Bay, there are several units. These prisoners live like some of the regular wealthy outside of the penal system, you really need to look it up and read about it. If Guantanamo closes, it would be a tragedy for them. There is nothing unjust going on there. The American public is lucky to even know it exists and they bitch about it. These prisoners will not get released in to regular populus. They will most likely be transferred to another detention center, no one has heard of, and possibly loose all communication with any kid of family they had. Cuba is a very kind host, people should thank the good people of Cuba for allowing and being genuinely kind, a unique quality in the world today.

    These prisoners are respected. Hey America could always go the moon route, like the good people of China did. Housing prisoners on the moon doesn’t sound cruel, either. Lots of money invested in prisoners health, all over the world, and to think, some countries are willing to further spend and fly some of these offenders on out to outer space.

  • carrick

    FlyOnTheWall:

    We captured really bad guys but now we’ve got a choice between releasing them, killing them or holding them forever.

    Releasing them isn’t an option either. Nobody wants them.

  • jk

    And Powell did such an excellent job of presenting that evidence.

    ELINAS…is that an American name? Just curious.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Can any Obama supporter justify or explain what Obama is doing here?

    *looks through the thread*

    Apparently not. All we get is lies and insults.

    So much for “hope” and “change”.

  • robert108

    I think even someone as stupid as Obama realizes that the first time a terrorist he released kills some Americans, it will be hung around his scrawny neck. It’s a purely political calculation on his part.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Send a pic, Mickey. Maybe we can set something up. You sound into it.

  • bill-tb

    The age of Obama shuck and jive has arrived.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Funny there is no where to put them if they did shut the place.

  • ellinas

    Jk. Ellinas is what Greeks call themseves in Greek.

  • carrick

    And as far as “coercive interrogation techniques”, yes they do get used by the local police.

    Read the story of the Norfolk Four if you want to see how well that worked out.

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    Would you favor any means of interrogation that would save you and your family from drooling terrorists?

    ANY means!! I have SEEN actual footage of terroristic acts being carried out … they ARE drooling barbarians – psychopaths – lunatics – inhuman MONSTERS … you can NOT reach or affect them through human compassion or diplomacy … they are capable of inflicting the most terrible, grotesque, bizarre and loathesome atrocities upon other human beings IMAGINABLE. They are NOT “human.” Liberals would give SATAN a pass if he whined, cried, blubbered & moaned enough … and, nevermind his feeding off of their entrails and laughing while doing so. Liberals are idiots: “The pacifists can not win because the killers kill them.”

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Ellinas,

    I understand that “obfuscate” is your new word of the day. Don’t repeat it in every sentence as it shows you have no clue what the hell you’re talking about.

    Since I made no point, but simply mocked you, I “obfuscated” nothing. I didn’t try to “hide” your complete lack of a point. I just simply called you stupid and moved on. Using words in the wrong context just shows you’re a moron.

  • ellinas

    Read up on Guantanamo Bay, there are several units. These prisoners live like some of the regular wealthy outside of the penal system, you really need to look it up and read about it.

    Noixz on January 11, 2009 at 01:39 pm

    Noixz. I looked it up and red about it.
    You are mistaken.
    There is no evidence whatsoever that they live like the regular or irregular wealthy.
    No evidence that they live like Bernie Madoff.
    You are making up stuff. Stop it.

  • ellinas

    Funny there is no where to put them if they did shut the place.

    goon on January 11, 2009 at 01:09 pm

    There are plenty of place(s) to put them. You are just saying this to obfuscate and make cheap political points.

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