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Sunday, January 06, 2008


Obama Attributes Drop In Iraq Violence To Democrats Getting Elected In 2006

Huh?

What we have to do is to begin a phased redeployment to send a clear signal to the Iraqi government that we are not going to be there in perpetuity. Now, it will—we should be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. I welcome the genuine reductions of violence that have taken place, although I would point out that much of that violence has been reduced because there was an agreement with tribes in Anbar province—Sunni tribes—who started to see, after the Democrats were elected in 2006, you know what, the Americans may be leaving soon, and we are going to be left very vulnerable to the Shi’as. We should start negotiating now. That’s how you change behavior.

And that’s why I will send a clear signal to the Iraqi government. They will have ample time to get their act together, to actually pass an oil law, which has been—they’ve been talking about now for years.

I’ll admit that out of all the Democrat candidates, Barack Obama is the one I like the most on a personal level.  He seems like a principled and affable buy.  But it is a special kind of despicable for him to attribute the success we’ve had in Iraq not to the smart planning and execution of our military leaders under David Petraeus, or the courageous hard work put in by our troops, but rather to that which is politically convenient for him.  Namely, the election of his liberal brethren to office in 2006.

Plus, as we all remember, it was the Democrats who opposed the “surge” strategy vehemently saying that it would just result in the loss of more American lives.  It seems to me that it is highly inappropriate for Obama and his fellow liberals to try and take credit for a policy they opposed.  Heck, Obama himself opposed the “surge” strategy, now he’s trying to put the credit for the success of that strategy somewhere other than where it belongs.

That’s not only cynical, it’s unfair to the military men and women who really are responsible for what’s happened in Iraq.

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I’ll admit that out of all the Democrat candidates, Barack Obama is the one I like the most on a personal level.  He seems like a principled and affable guy.

I just see a very dangerous, naive, manipulative Leftist politician that is riding a cult of personality, black Messiah, mindless wave of popularity into the Democrat Nomination and the White House. He is the worst possible choice! I would rather see Hillary in the White House!

If you will recall from a long time back, I predicted that if the Surge worked, the Democrats would take credit for it; and I must tell you that a very, very large number of Americans will believe him, enough to make the difference in helping the Democrats get into the White House and increase their control of Congress by large numbers and keep the Republicans out of power for decades.


In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman on January 6, 2008 at 03:38 pm
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He is the worst possible choice! I would rather see Hillary in the White House!

That’s the first conservative I have heard say that. I thought Hillary was Satan in drag to the rightwing. I guess it makes sense in a sick way, because Hillary is really just a Republican fascist disguised as a Democrat. So yeah, I can see why you would rather have Hillary - she’s closer to a Republican fascist than Obama.

Obama is ok, but is not socialist enough. Kucinich is really the best candidate, but the corporate controlled “liberal” media is making sure he has no chance (keeping him out of the debates).

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, is better than the smirking chimp GWB. This guy is a catastrophe that walks like a man. Charles Manson would be a better president than GW.

Socialist on January 6, 2008 at 04:38 pm

I’m looking forward to another 8 years of a Republican Presidency.

Mickey on January 6, 2008 at 04:43 pm
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I would point out that much of that violence has been reduced because there was an agreement with tribes in Anbar province—Sunni tribes—who started to see, after the Democrats were elected in 2006, you know what, the Americans may be leaving soon, and we are going to be left very vulnerable to the Shi’as.

I think that is a valid claim. It is true that most Democrats opposed the surge itself, but there is more to it than just the surge. The one and only thing that forced a change in policy, not to mention a different and much better Secretary of Defense, was the 2006 election. If the Republicans had maintained the majority, there would have been no reason to have a surge or do anything different or to get rid of Rumsulini. Bush could have just plugged along as usual and the Republicans in congress could have just kept rubber stamping his failed policies.

Socialist on January 6, 2008 at 04:49 pm
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I’m looking forward to another 8 years of a Republican Presidency.

You will be “looking forward” for a long damn time. There is no way, except if Hitlery gets the nomination, or if there is mass voter fraud and rigged voting machines, that a Republican is going to win. 70% of the public thinks that the country is headed in the wrong direction, and voting for a 4 year continuation of Bush fascism is not the way to move in a new direction.

Socialist on January 6, 2008 at 04:55 pm
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enough to make the difference in helping the Democrats get into the White House and increase their control of Congress by large numbers and keep the Republicans out of power for decades.

I didn’t realize you were such an optimist Nieman.  Nothing better could happen for America.

Lestat on January 6, 2008 at 04:58 pm

Oh. My. God. What self delusional horse crap! Violence in Iraq ramped up after the Democrat electoral wins last November. It did not, in fact, drop until it became clear that America was NOT going to cut and run.

I really can not decide which Democrat is more mentally screwed up, Obama or Hucklebee. Or perhaps Romney, he is pretty F-ed in the head,too.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on January 6, 2008 at 05:04 pm

Facsim: Conservative or Liberal Philosophy?

Fascist movements usually try to retain some supposedly healthy parts of the nation’s existing political and social life, but they place more emphasis on creating a new society. In this way fascism is directly opposed to conservatism—the idea that it is best to avoid dramatic social and political change. Instead, fascist movements set out to create a new type of total culture in which values, politics, art, social norms, and economic activity are all part of a single organic national community. With this idealized people’s community (Socialist Utopia) in mind, the government creates new institutions and policies (partly as propaganda) to build popular support. But the changes are also an attempt to transform society in order to overcome perceived sources of national weakness and social injustice.

Fascism: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism.

No matter how you look at fascism, is at its heart socialist not capitalist and certainly not democratic. It is the Democrats that want more and more government control of private enterprise, like national health care and seek to control every facet of American life. Conservatives encourage private enterprise, individual responsibilty, a quest for wealth and entrepreneurship.

This is a rather lengthy way to say Socialist, I believe you do not understand what the word fascism really means, you have used the word incorrectly because you never bothered to study and understand it as history. For instance, Nazism was The National Socialist Party, they were at their heart socialists, imposing their social ideals on the world by force.


In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman on January 6, 2008 at 05:14 pm

Lestat:

I didn’t realize you were such an optimist Nieman.  Nothing better could happen for America.

I think this time the Democrats could destroy America, causing a near absolute economic implosion, not just a simple depression. I think if Obama or Hillary or Edwards get in the White House and Democrats gain greater control of the Congress, they will strike while the iron is hot in establishing a socialist state here to the peril of us all. I think if it happens, you will curse the day you ever voted for this socialist crud, but it will be too late.


In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman on January 6, 2008 at 05:18 pm

Barack Obama is steeped in the socialist revolutionary philosophy of Saul Olinsky and Noam Chompsky. He is a dream-come-true to the Ward Churchills who infest the classrooms of our colleges and universities. Among the democrats only John Edwards equals him in embracing the tenets of extreme liberalism. Can you imagine what kind of people Obama would name to the Supreme Court!!??


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on January 6, 2008 at 05:43 pm
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Can you imagine what kind of people Obama would name to the Supreme Court!!??

Hopefully more Ruth Ginsburgs.  Unfortunately she will probably retire.  What I wouldn’t give for more Thurgood Marshalls or Bill Brennans.

Lestat on January 6, 2008 at 05:49 pm

So, the first term senator from Illinois thinks that the success in Iraq is due to the Democrats taking control of Congress?  Of course, he is basically a silly little boy who clearly knows as much about warfare and military matters as he does about economics and the business cycle.

Speaking of which, I wonder if it has occurred to young Mr. Obama that it would be every bit as easy, and a good deal more realistic, to blame the downturn in the economy on the fact that the Democrats are in control of our nation’s legislature.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on January 6, 2008 at 05:58 pm

Lestat: “What I wouldn’t give…”  Believe me when I say that you will give much to have the likes of Ginzberg or Brennan replicated and in charge of the Supreme Court. Liberals love to spout their pie-in-the-sky/we-shall-overcome philosophies with little or no regard for the consequences.


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on January 6, 2008 at 06:20 pm

You will be “looking forward” for a long damn time. There is no way, except if Hitlery gets the nomination, or if there is mass voter fraud and rigged voting machines, that a Republican is going to win. Let’s disect this

Let’s dissect this shall we?

I agree Hillary is a weak link. Actually all three leading Democrats are weak links. Obama may be riding a high over Hillary right now but he is no JFK and as you said in your own words, Hillary is a loser, so that makes Obama something better than a loser.

“mass voter fraud”…

I should remind you that voter fraud is traditionally a Democrat behavior trait, not Republican… The record stands on that fact. And BTW Bush won in 2000, not Gore. Gore was the one who started the legal action with the state courts of Florida. He was also the one who attempted to stop the recounts and stop counting the military absentee ballots. Shameful, even for a Democrat.

“70% of the country thinks the country is headed in the wrong direction and voting for a 4 year continuation of Bush fascism is not the way to move in a new direction.”

Socialist, Granted you do not understand what a fascist is or what the word even means, I should remind you that President Bush is not running for office. Also, the Republican Party is not President Bush and vice versa. Every candidate on the ballot is promising change. The challenge for voters is to select a leader that will keep government small, taxes low, and our people safe. That pretty much eliminates the three stooges on the left.

People want change, not socialism. Socialism is for the weak and the weak of mind.

Mickey on January 6, 2008 at 06:25 pm

You will be “looking forward” for a long damn time. There is no way, except if Hitlery gets the nomination, or if there is mass voter fraud and rigged voting machines, that a Republican is going to win. 70% of the public thinks that the country is headed in the wrong direction, and voting for a 4 year continuation of Bush fascism is not the way to move in a new direction.

At heart Bush is essentially a big government leftist. So any fascistic tendancies stem from that.

And the Democratic congress has a lower approval rating than the President.

And how in God’s name can you even pretend Hillary is a right winger?


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on January 6, 2008 at 10:34 pm
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But it is a special kind of despicable

Rob, I don’t think it was despicable.  I think he’s dangerously naive but he does say what he thinks. 

My wife mentioned preferring Hillary to any other democrat and she’s one of the stark raving republicans.  Hillary Clinton looks sane and sober when placed beside Obama and Edwards.  (It’s like hanging out with ugly friends to get a date.)

FlyontheWall on January 6, 2008 at 10:42 pm
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I think Obama is just full of himself. He speeches are designed to be purposefully vague and presidential in a Lincolnesque style with a Martin Luther King cadence. The difference is that he’s a liberal who shows his true stripes when specifics are being discussed. This fiction about the Dems being responisble for a drop in violence is partially crap and sounds like a fascist rewrite of history. Believe it or else.

Douglas Krell on January 7, 2008 at 02:34 am
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