Obama Announces Withdrawal Of All Troops From Iraq By August 2010

Over the last few years the debate over the war in Iraq has focused around how it should end. Proponents of the war felt that it should end based on conditions on the ground. Rather than abandoning the country on some arbitrarily-set date, they felt the war should be ended once Iraq was able to defend itself and maintain its own stability. Liberals like Obama, on the other hand, felt the war should end immediately. That it was a lost cause, and that the troops should be brought home as soon as possible regardless of the situation that left the Iraqis in.
Now that Obama has won the election he can finally institute his firm deadline for withdrawal. But what’s funny is that the deadline for withdrawal really isn’t going to be all that controversial.
Because while Obama and his fellow liberals were arguing over how best to force a retreat from the country, Bush and military leaders like General David Petraeus went ahead and won the war rendering the entire debate moot.

The United States will withdraw most of its troops from Iraq by August 2010, 19 months after President Barack Obama’s inauguration day, according to administration officials who expect Obama to make the announcement this week. . . .
The U.S. military would leave behind a residual force, between 30,000 and 50,000 troops, to continue advising and training Iraqi security forces. Also staying beyond the 19 months would be intelligence and surveillance specialists and their equipment, including unmanned aircraft, according to two administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan has not been made public. . . .
The 19-month strategy is a compromise between commanders and advisers who are worried that security gains could backslide in Iraq and those who think the bulk of U.S. combat work is long since done.

Frankly, I’m on board with this plan. Not because I think Obama’s making the right decision (he’s still making a politically expedient one), but because it almost doesn’t matter what Obama does.
I think a total abandonment of the country would be irresponsible, but leaving troops in the country to facilitate on-going training is appropriate. Really, there’s not much for proponents of the war to be upset about here.
Obama may be heralded by his sycophants on the left and in the media for “ending the war,” but the truth is that Bush won the war before Obama even took office.

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  • http://Array Buzz

    We are leaving because they are kicking us out. Remember the treaty we signed last year?

  • robert108

    BTW, Obama/Mugabe just told the Iranian terrorists when it will be safe for them to invade, so they can prepare.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    and the concept of patriotism.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Chesty Puller would beat your worthless ass, rr.

  • http://reasonsnottovoteformccain.blogspot.com/ Morr

    If Bush had won the war in Iraq, you can be sure he would have declared victory (again).

  • Jack

    When the media stopped talking about it every day you knew it was won.

    Define “won.”

    Ask the families of half-a-million dead civilians if we “won.”

    Ask the two million refugees if we “won.”

    Ask the millions without access to electricity or clean drinking water if we “won.”

    Define “won” WITHOUT repeating a GOP talking point, if you can.

  • Jack

    So the people who have dug us DEEPER into a financial hole should also be held accountable, right?

    That would be the Bush regime, and yes.

  • robert108

    The US needs to get out of Iraq…

    RR, I’m sure your “weak horse” Obama will make you happy by cutting and running from your terrorist buddies, so that they can follow us back to this country, which is what you want, right? Why else would you support cowardice like you do?

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    rr,

    Find a country you can love and whose accomplishments you can rejoice in.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    rr fails to understand the subjuncitve tense.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Everything RR said HAS been debunked a dozen times over as being outright wrong or strawmen.

    And yet he keeps spewing the tired same ole line from Daily Kios and Huffington post.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    If one cannot rejoice in our having won in Iraq, one really needs to find a country they can love.

  • ellinas

    Any more questions?

    Communism is evil
    Chief RZ on February 24, 2009 at 05:14 pm

    Chief RZ! I am still waiting for your explanation as to how you were able to see socialist and communist propaganda when Clinton’s cat Socks died.

  • robert108

    Ask the families of half-a-million dead civilians if we “won.”

    That number is a lie, and has been thoroughly debunked. In addition, the vast majority of the real civilian casualties in Iraq are due to terrorist scum, not our troops.
    Furthermore, Saddam killed more Iraqi citizens during his dictatorship than died as a result of the war against him.

  • Mickey

    We should relocate a couple bases on the southern border.
    Not only could we train troops in a real desert environment but it would help to keep the illegals out.

  • ellinas

    Chief RZ! I am still waiting for your explanation as to how you were able to see socialist and communist propaganda when Clinton’s cat Socks died.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Buzz. What you are referring to is a SOFA agreement. We have one with Germany. We and the French are still occupying Germany. It has been 64 years and we still have about 200,000 troops in Germany. I was in Germany three times from 1997 until 2003.

    The Security Of Forces Agreement gives back some legal responsibilities to the local government. In this case, Iraq.

    If you have any questions, just ask.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    We didn’t “win” anything in Iraq. The Bush regime misled US into an illegal, immoral, unjustifiable, unconstitutional, and unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq to ensure Bush’s oil buddies got access to Iraq’s resources. All that BS about freedom and democracy and caring about the Iraqi people is just that: BS.

    That’s some highly concentrated stupidity right there.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    r108, I’m no where near the left. I’m somewhere right of Ted Nugent. Don’t generalize; you’ll find out that you’re wrong. Real conservatives don’t approve of expansion of government (i.e. DHS), nor do we approve of imperial foreign policy.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    We didn’t “win” anything in Iraq. The Bush regime misled US into an illegal, immoral, unjustifiable, unconstitutional, and unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq to ensure Bush’s oil buddies got access to Iraq’s resources. All that BS about freedom and democracy and caring about the Iraqi people is just that: BS.

    Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Iraq did not attack US. Iraq posed no threat to US. There were no terrorists coming to the US from Iraq.

  • Jack

    Bush never declared victory in Iraq the first time…

    Historical revisionism at its finest! Either that or you’re high…

    …and he certainly wasn’t going to set himself up for another “mission accomplished” moment for the dishonest liberal commentators.

    As always, conservatives are more concerned with appearances—”another ‘mission accomplished’ moment”—than reality.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    We didn’t “win” anything in Iraq. The Bush regime misled US into an illegal, immoral, unjustifiable, unconstitutional, and unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq to ensure Bush’s oil buddies got access to Iraq’s resources. All that BS about freedom and democracy and caring about the Iraqi people is just that: BS.

    Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Iraq did not attack US. Iraq posed no threat to US. There were no terrorists coming to the US from Iraq.

    That is one of the biggest pieces of bullshit I have read here. That straight from the Daily Kooks. Apparently you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about again. If Bush lied then a bunch of Democrats did as well.

  • axxkicker

    just curious. if our purpose in iraq was strictly humanitarian (and anyone would have to admit that the story *did*, indeed change regarding our reasoning), then why aren’t we taking over / invading / occupying / providing military aid to:

    the democratic republic of congo
    liberia
    senegal
    darfur
    uganda
    niger
    malawi
    sudan
    rwanda
    zimbabwe

    i’m not saying that we didn’t eliminate a dictator who committed genocide. i’m not saying that we didn’t see an evil man brought to trial and hung for his crimes against not only his own people, but humanity itself.

    but i am saying that our story changed. and our focus shifted for reasons that were never made clear. afghanistan? absolutely. iraq? wait, what?

    we went from wmd hunters to humanitarians? seriously?

    incidentally, i did read “the hot zone”, by richard preston, and do, in fact, believe that there were credible sources for concern well prior to our invasion.

    but when our inspectors didn’t find credible signs, that should have been the end of the story.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    rr,

    Go run that past your boot camp drill instructor.

  • JazzyKat

    RR

    There is nothing “patriotic” about attacking, invading, and occupation another nation that has not attacked, nor posed any threat to US.

    So tell us again why BHO is “patriotic” in sending all these troops to Afghanistan now, when most of the alleged hijackers of 911 according to government claims, came from Saudi Arabia?

    The bigger question, that is never answered, is how these alleged hijackers, who couldn’t even master flying a twin engine Cessna according to their flight school instructors, could conduct these elaborate maneuvers of Boeing 757′s to fly perfectly into the twin towers. How Hani Hanjour who according to his flight instructor, had trouble controlling and landing a single-engine Cessna 172, could do a 180 in a Boeing 757 and fly Flight 77 into the Pentagon at such a low level, yet the grass isn’t even singed.

    No one answers these questions, they just call people who have investigated the government’s version of events, conspiracy nuts. U.S. Pilots for 911 truth, said the above scenarios couldn’t have happened, and these elaborate maneuvers would be extremely difficult for even seasoned pilots.

    Our government was behind 911 and the global governments are behind the current economic meltdown; all has been instigated to bring war and global economic chaos for the purpose of bringing in the New World Order!

    While American’s are looking at this economic crisis and blaming Republicans or Democrats for this mess, depending on which side of the isle you’re on, they’re all responsible. Out of false flag operations, chaos and disorder, will emerge the “New World Order” of Global governance. Carter, Bush I & II, Clinton and now Obama have sold America out while we all blog over inconsequential little pieces of the puzzle, never putting the puzzle together!

    They all know American’s are only interested in their four and no more and their individual comforts and will never come together to see the big picture, so they continue on unapposed! Incrementally they move the chess pieces, like putting a frog in cold water and cooking it slowly before it even knows it’s dead, we are cooked, yet American’s don’t know it yet! But they will before Obama’s first term is over!

    Depression then Revolution is coming! Seeing, believing, praying and preparation are the keys to survival!

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Bush made a grave error when he followed the neocon dream of regime change in Iraq. He had to mislead the American public to garner support for his illegal and unnecessary war. We will be paying for his ineptness for decades to come. I believed the crap our government was selling US about Iraq until I went there. While there the first time I realized that we had been duped, hoodwinked, and bamboozled about Iraq. Bush lied, people died.

  • sc

    Jack – You are absolutely right and your argument would have worked at the end of World War 2, also. Damn Rosevelt for taking us to war.

  • Hannitized

    Those were a party of the case for invasion, genius, not outcomes for the war.

    Read Bush SOTU speech again, pre invasion. It was the predominant case. To say that freeing Iraqis was a major goal or the main reason is dishonest.

    It’s like saying the Stimulus was only partly drafted to inspire confidence in the market and save peoples jobs and get the economy rolling. The main object was also to get bridges and public transportation.

    Give me a break.

    If you still want to debate the case for invading almost six years after we did it, and with just over a year to go until our troops come out, I guess we can. But it’s sort of pointless, don’t you think?

    Yeah, pointless. Then STFU about the stimulus and all it costs because it has pork in it.

    Sound good?

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    The US needs to get out of Iraq in not later than three months. The US should abandon its billion dollar embassy in Baghdad. Get out of Afghanistan as well. We have no business meddling in the affairs of middle eastern nations.

  • Hannitized

    But we achieved the objectives we set out to in Iraq. Violence is down. Elected government is in place.

    Really? Did we find the Nuclear weapons development labs, did we find the chemical weapons labs, did we find the WMDs that Bush was talking about?

    Negative. Fail at your initial objective, move the goal posts and then declare victory, it’s the conservative version of reality.

  • http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1151954 mfobiz

    This is just one of many messes Bush left behind for Obama to clean up. Getting our troops out of Iraq is long overdue…

  • robert108

    RR: So, you’re an isolationist reactionary? Nothing “conservative” about that, but thanks for the input.
    Do you regard “national defense” as money for muskets?

  • http://jackasstroll.com/ Jack

    Jack, how about you ask some of the Kurds who were oppressed by Saddam Hussein?

    With the weapons and approval he got from the Reagan regime.

    Why don’t you ask the families of some of the people Saddam murdered?

    Because I’m not the one claiming that 1) we “won” (whatever that means) and 2) Bush never claimed we won. You’ve twisted yourself into knots just because you have to automatically nay-say whatever a liberal says.

    You’re like John Cleese in The Argument Sketch, only not funny.

    Why don’t you ask some of the Iraqis who voted for their own political leaders in the last election?

    They voted—which is a good thing—to kick out the invaders.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Congratualtions rr,

    You and Murtha are the only two Ex-Marines I know of.

  • JazzyKat

    Actually true patriotic American’s question the government’s official story. Though the MSM doesn’t report it other than mockingly attributing questions to some silly conspiracy nuts, the questions of the official story come from senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement and government officials, as well as pilots and aviation officials, engineers and architects, including professors and scholars who through their knowledge and expertise rebut the official government story. For the entire list of these credible people click the link below:

    http://patriotsquestion911.com/

    Watch this video by Pilots for 911 Truth:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1809159567446839479

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6133

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

    People that mock have never researched for themselves, they’re just following the mainstream media’s propaganda! That is a naive and dangerous place to be!

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    JazzyKat,

    Seek.

    Professional.

    Assistance.

    .

  • Jack

    If you still want to debate the case for invading almost six years after we did it…

    First of all there is no debate. The WMDs was a lie used to justify the invasion (at the cost of letting al Queda and the Taliban go).

    Secondly, there is a concept called ACCOUNTABILITY which you conservatives just don’t seem to understand. The people who lied us into a war should be held ACCOUNTABLE for their actions.

    Why is that such a hard concept for you to get your head around?

  • Jack

    Jack, how about you ask some of the Kurds who were oppressed by Saddam Hussein?

    Why do two wrongs make a right for conservatives?

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Not much chance…

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    AND since the Dems encouraged the Fannie and Freddie housing debacle that led to this destruction, they too should be held accountable? Now we are getting somewhere!

  • bill-tb

    Except for one tiny little problem, Acting President Obama speeches always come with expiration dates.

    The Iraq’s need a crash course in Obama jive talking.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    JazzyKat,

    Landing an aircraft and taking off in an aircraft are the two most difficult “normal” evolutions performed by aircraft. Keeping one in the air or driving one into a building are quite simple in comparison.

  • http://www.moszer.net/ Moszer

    If Bush had won the war in Iraq, you can be sure he would have declared victory (again).

    He didn’t need to. When the media stopped talking about it every day you knew it was won. Why is that? Because the only news coming out was good and the media couldn’t lower it’s self to report that.

  • robert108

    RR: Actually, Bush removed a murdering dictator who had slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own people, and established an oasis of modern govt in an area characterized by medieval monarchies and totalitarian dictatorships. As usual, when you lie, you get smacked with the truth. Get used to it.
    You are the liar here, not President Bush. He did the right thing.

  • robert108

    axxkicker: The reasons for going into Iraq were manifold: to establish a modern state in the midst of medieval Islam, to stop the mass murder and torture of Iraqi citizens, to stop the endless war between Iran and Iraq, and to keep Saddam from becoming the Hitler of the ME. We accomplished all those goals. The captured documents reveal that Saddam was planning to re-establish all his WMD programs as soon as he succeeding in getting the UN sanctions lifted, which he was in the process of doing with the bogus “oil for food” graft. He oppressed his people; the sanctions didn’t. He built 42 lavish palaces during the sanctions, so his people starving was due to his greed, and his greed alone.

    Unfortunately, President Bush had to get around an obstructive Congressional minority and a lying MSM to do the good work in the ME, and now this Kenyan Marxist wants to flush that all down the toilet.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Just wanted to re-iterate that for some of the s-l-o-w-e-r folks.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    rr,

    Find a country you can love and whose accomplishments you can celebrate, and move there.

  • docdave

    Our government was behind 911 and the global governments are behind the current economic meltdown; all has been instigated to bring war and global economic chaos for the purpose of bringing in the New World Order!

    Now tell us how patriotic you are and how you love this country. /idiot

  • robert108

    What we did to Iraq is just plain wrong. Period.

    Freeing them from a dictator who had been systematically torturing(real torture, not interrogation) and murdering them for over twenty years? Another lie from you.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    I’m not going anywhere. I’m staying put in North Dakota to collect my Marine Corps retirement check from the US gummint. Ooh-rah! Semper Fi! Peace…

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Chesty Puller is long dead. Even his son is gone. So, I don’t think there is much chance of that happening, rg.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    The kool-aid drinkers will deny the truth until the end. Bottoms up, r108.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    There is nothing “patriotic” about attacking, invading, and occupation another nation that has not attacked, nor posed any threat to US. Smedley Butler understood things long before Chesty Puller. David Shoup understood as well. What we did to Iraq is just plain wrong. Period.

  • robert108

    Thanks for identifying yourself as a KoolAid drinker, RR; but then, we already knew that.
    You delusional lefties just hate facts.

  • docdave

    chief, jack like dino is not interested in the facts. They are only here to spout the same tiresome liberal cliches that have been endlessly said for the past 7 years, and worse they think that they are being clever doing it. Achieving adolescence would be a marked improvement for them.

  • robert108

    H liar: Here’s how you lied by cherrypicking from what I actually wrote; the missing part:

    The captured documents reveal that Saddam was planning to re-establish all his WMD programs as soon as he succeeding in getting the UN sanctions lifted, which he was in the process of doing with the bogus “oil for food” graft.

    Again, you lie. Had we not deposed him, his WMD would have gone into action.

    You lefties always lie; it’s all you have, because the truth is not on your side.

  • http://pennypatch1.com/id182.html Ron Russell

    I think Obama is taking us along the road to socialism, its a slow and stealthy path. Kenyan Keynesianism is on the way. A new cradle to the grave big brother knows best state.
    These liberals think they know whats best for everyone, anyone who disagrees in an ignorant, stupid, redneck hick. Keep your powder dry boys if you’ve got bal…ls enough. I’ve got mine.

  • Hannitized

    axxkicker: The reasons for going into Iraq were manifold: to establish a modern state in the midst of medieval Islam, to stop the mass murder and torture of Iraqi citizens, to stop the endless war between Iran and Iraq, and to keep Saddam from becoming the Hitler of the ME. We accomplished all those goals.

    Nothing about WMDs…….Robert lies again.

    Drink up Robert108.

  • docdave

    Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Iraq did not attack US. Iraq posed no threat to US. There were no terrorists coming to the US from Iraq.

    You’ve posted the same thing so many times I’ve come to believe that you are simply an automaton programmed to broadcast the same tiresome message continuously. Someone needs to find your off switch.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Good Lord, rg. The drill instructors are the gate keepers charged with doing the brain-washing of young Americans. Their job is to tell kids what the party-line is. Recruiters sell the myth. Drill instructors instill the myth. But the myth of the Marine Corps, and the United States for that matter, is still just a myth. So running it past the drill instructors does nothing constructive for US. The US military exists to act as the “muscle” for the global elites to further concentrate wealth into their hands. Recruiting ads aren’t going to say this.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Jack. The lie was that Saddam said and promised to live by the cease fire agreements he made in 1991. He continuously violated them. He did not return POWs he captured to Kuwait. He fired on our aircraft on numerous occasions. The UN of all institutions voted 15-0 to use force. Amazing for them to agree on something like that. Our US congress (both) authorized the use of force.

    Any more question?

  • sayanything-2483

    Define “won.”
    Jack on February 24, 2009 at 03:54 pm

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Bush never declared victory in Iraq the first time, and he certainly wasn’t going to set himself up for another “mission accomplished” moment for the dishonest liberal commentators.

    But we achieved the objectives we set out to in Iraq. Violence is down. Elected government is in place.

    That may not be convenient for you, buti t’s the truth none the less.

  • sayanything-2483

    Secondly, there is a concept called ACCOUNTABILITY
    Jack on February 24, 2009 at 04:19 pm

    So the people who have dug us DEEPER into a financial hole should also be held accountable, right?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Really? Did we find the Nuclear weapons development labs, did we find the chemical weapons labs, did we find the WMDs that Bush was talking about?

    Those were a party of the case for invasion, genius, not outcomes for the war.

    If you still want to debate the case for invading almost six years after we did it, and with just over a year to go until our troops come out, I guess we can. But it’s sort of pointless, don’t you think?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    We are leaving because they are kicking us out.

    Except that they’re not.

    Jack, how about you ask some of the Kurds who were oppressed by Saddam Hussein? Why don’t you ask the families of some of the people Saddam murdered?

    Why don’t you ask some of the Iraqis who voted for their own political leaders in the last election?

  • sayanything-2483

    Our government was behind 911…
    JazzyKat on February 27, 2009 at 03:58 am

    Are you saying that Bush was behind 9/11?

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Everything RR said HAS been debunked a dozen times over as being outright wrong or strawmen.

    As an open opponent and hater of your own government and people, you are to anyone else a traitor. Anyone who is a traitor to their own nation has no expectation of more loyalty to others. That makes you less worthwhile than a loyal American to them. You not only are worthless in the eyes of fellow Americans, you are automatically less than worthless in the eyes of those others you seem to admire.

    RR, if you hate the US so much, leave. I suggest Iraq or Syria. See what they think of you there. Iraqis freed from Saddam will suggest you should have hung with him and “insurgents” will be glad to behead you, even as you scream and protest that you’re on their side. Syrians would turn you over to their nation’s secret police and you’d never be heard from again. Ditto for Iran.

    If caring for democracy and freedom is such bs, then how do you explain the fact that the Iraqis now have that democracy and freedom? If the point wasn’t to establish that, then we failed miserably at whatever our point was and instead caused the democracy and freedom by accident. Either way, they have it. And you would rather they don’t.

    Which makes you now an open opponent of your own nation and the Iraqi people.

    Man, how many nations of people are you trying to alienate?

  • sayanything-2483

    That would be the Bush regime, and yes.
    Jack on February 24, 2009 at 04:29 pm

    And since the “Obama regime” has now doubled the dept of that hole, then they too should be accountable.

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