Obama Administration Going For The Kill Option For Terrorists

More often than not, when a terrorist is ripe for the taking, the Obama administration is issuing kill orders rather than attempt a capture.

Although senior administration officials say that no policy determination has been made to emphasize kills over captures, several factors appear to have tipped the balance in that direction. The Obama administration has authorized such attacks more frequently than the George W. Bush administration did in its final years, including in countries where U.S. ground operations are officially unwelcome or especially dangerous. Improvements in electronic surveillance and precision targeting have made killing from a distance much more of a sure thing. At the same time, options for where to keep U.S. captives have dwindled.

The response from Republicans on this is to condemn the practice as each kill represents a lost opportunity for interrogation. This view is echoed by the military. I am of two minds on this, though.
I generally prefer that, where practicable, the President defer to military recommendations. If a commander on the ground wants to try and capture a target, possibly because he is believed to have vital intellligence, go for the capture. However, in a climate in which terrorists are being treated like criminals rather than enemy combatants with all the rights to attorneys and trials as afforded by our legal system, I wonder if killing them outright isn’t the better path. The idea behind the military capturing a terrorist is to let the military conduct an interrorgation. If, as seems to be the case, we’re going to treat terrorists as common criminals, I’d just as soon seem them dead and spare the U.S. taxpayer the cost of housing, counsel and trial (not to mention the appeals).
What do you think? Is a dead terrorist better than a live defendant?

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  • I don't like to

    The Republicans see it as a lost chance to torture someone.

  • sayanything-4253

    Man, yep. That is it. The GOP needs blood to feed on.

    Did you figure out the secret handshake or something?

  • sayanything-4603

    what more could we expect from a lib more insane ignorant torture on this site

  • sayanything-3417

    Yeah, because what we really, really need to do is worry about the comfort of someone who wants to kill us.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    One way to minimize new detainees at Gitmo would be to shoot to kill any prospects. Much more liberal than letting them live! /sarcasm

  • sayanything-277

    The old tried and true way to deal with terrorists who really have no Geneva or other rights was to interrogate them and then execute them. Seems about right to me and is less expensive than detaining them.

  • sayanything-7948

    Kill first, ask questions later.

  • sayanything-42

    Don't go encouraging the fracking lackwit…

  • sayanything-42

    While there is great satisfaction in hoisting the black flag (someone else can explain that one to the libtards hereabouts), it does interfere with the collection of human intelligence.

  • sayanything-42

    Indeed.

    Find them to be illegal combatants, sentence them to death, then interrogate. When they cease providing useful/actionable intelligence, carry out the sentence.

  • sayanything-50

    Under the rules, a terrorist is anyone OB One says.

  • sayanything-1317

    Obama demands they be given due process, then kills them to deny them that process.

    I mean, Rob has a point…to a degree. If they're going to be treated like criminals, then kill them…but who decided that they need to be treated like criminals again?

  • sayanything-4642

    either they go to trial or can be treated as prisoners…. they cant be both. wow….. how is barry a lawyer?

  • sayanything-42

    Another fracking lackwit heard from.

  • sayanything-2

    Actually this is the result of the last changes Bush put in place before leaving office. Barri has not had any input into tactics or strategy, just done what the white people who control him order him to do.

  • sayanything-342

    Let's find a compromise here. How about we shoot them in the kneecaps and then interrogate them after they are captured. Then hang 'em afterwards. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.

  • sayanything-2

    We should do exactly what the Qur'an orders be done, behead them and punish their families and tribes. Its their law, time to make them live by it.

  • sayanything-2361

    They have to do this. If it isn't feasible to capture and detain then you kill them.

    A valid option but not the best. Not sure how this makes us better Americans over the alternative either.

  • sayanything-2

    It makes America better by destroying our enemies. Now it is time to force Muslims to live by their law, the Qur'an, and round up terrorists and kill them. All of them. The sooner Muslims take the lead in killing Muslim terrorists the sooner they can leave the 7th century and join the rest of us in the 21st.

  • bikebubba

    2H9, there is a delicious irony in your endorsement of Sharia law for terrorists combined with your avatar of a cute little kitten…….OK, I guess cats like to torture mice before eating them, so it makes some sense. :^)

    There is also a wonderful irony in the fact that as Dear Leader has hamstrung our perfectly legal interrogation methods, he's forced to simply kill people instead of taking them to Club Gitmo. Yeah, that'll win hearts and minds over in Sharia-land.

  • brenarlo

    How are you defining "terrorist"? Is it someone who is no doubt a terrorist or is it someone who is in the wrong spot at the wrong time? This post assumes that interrogation can only be used to find other terrorists. *News flash*: Interrogation can also be used to find out if the person is in fact a terrorist.

    Maybe we should just go around and kill everyone who we THINK is a terrorist… that'll stop young Arabs and Muslims from hating the US. </sarcasm>

  • sayanything-316

    Obama and his ilk seem to know or care very little about how combat on the ground takes place, much less how battles and eventually wars are won.

    Whatever the inner processes of their brain carrier groups, treating them like US citizens who've been detained for DUI or killing them outright are both very bad if you hope for eventual victory — but between the two, I'd go with the kill orders.

    What this may engender, particularly if you have a senior officer, along with officers, staff NCO's and troops who have been through more than one tour of duty over there is the Fix.

    The Fix is what happens when cops realize when the rules are rigged against actually putting a stop to the bad guys. They know who they are, they've been cuffing and stuffing the same perps since the Bad Boys were 12. They resort to measures outside the system and in their own way, justice gets done.

    The problem with this is, if you have locked good troops into a broken system and they resort to the Fix, now the system is seriously broken, and you have the laws on the books and the law of the Street. How do you keep this from deteriorating into a downward spiral?

    In the battlefield context, I can see the Bob, Bill & Steve (the officers of a Company, Battalion or Regiment, who between themselves are on a first-name basis) who have served in the area for some time. They know what works and they know what doesn't work. They've lost good friends and they've lost good troops to stupid — indeed, criminally stupid — rules of engagement.

    For the NCO's and the salty troops, they need no encouragement. Every time they step off that Line of Departure, they run the risk of being sniped, ambushed or IED'ed to pieces or to death.
    They've had to drag good buddies, bleeding, into the back of a track while under heavy fire, or stuffed a friend onto a Blackhawk while they can still hear the snap of incoming rounds or the terrifying whooosh of an RPG — only to have their buddy die.

    They've been on patrols and caught bad-guys and told to go easy on them, or had the bad guys in their sights, waiting for a clearance to shoot from the TOC, only to see the Bad Guys get away. Most infuriating, they've heard the locals laughing at them, because some consider them soft for not killing when killing is warranted and not beating when beating is warranted.

    The Fix would involve this pressure cooker of thoughts, experiences and emotions within a tight outfit resulting in an Understanding.

    Now that we have Kill orders, let's make it useful at least.

    Get some intel out of the guys we catch.

    Squeeze them like a lemon rind, and when we've got all we can, THEN call him in as a enemy KIA.

    Neat. It works and if nobody blabs, we save lives and the idiots in Washington are happy.

    What they don't know won't hurt them.

    Asshat Rules of Engagement really, really, really scream for a Fix.

    It would be better, by far, to have Rules of Engagement thought out and put into force by officers and NCO's who have been there.

  • sayanything-7134

    didn't realize you were racist.

  • sayanything-7134

    So if we can't get to them ( the bad guys) letting them live, or lose a bunch of men trying to get to them so we can get intel that is better then sending a bullet into their brain. The depth that conservatives will go to, disagree with Obama is incredible.

  • bikebubba

    Conundrum, Islam is a religion, not a race. Or are you showing racist stripes by claiming all Arabs are Muslims? If so, Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily can set you straight. (not Dino, but you, perhaps)

    Move's comment reminds me of something I learned from friends while hunting; I never served in the armed forces, and they did. When I mentioned something about fighting methods being prohibited, they quickly reminded me that the infantryman's first goal is to get himself and his friends back home alive.

  • sayanything-2361

    Taking prisoners is a good thing. Vet them, keep the bad guys (including questioning) and release the 'wrong place/wrong time' guys. Kill everyone because God knows his own is barbaric and I rather we do it as little as possible.

    I've been saying for a while the legal warfare will kill us slowly.

  • sayanything-2361

    "So if we can't get to them ( the bad guys) letting them live, or lose a bunch of men trying to get to them so we can get intel that is better then sending a bullet into their brain."
    What? What are you saying? The point of the article is that we're now killing people because it's a simpler option than taking prisoners. And yes, I disagree with Obama on this. Why don't you?

  • sayanything-42

    littledog once again comments on that which he understands naught of.

  • sayanything-42

    conundrum states:

    didn't realize you were racist. [referring to 2H9]

    Make your case or retract and apologize.

  • sayanything-42

    conundrum,

    Did your parents have any children who were not "developmentally challenged*"?

    * Since "retarded" seems to be just right out these days…

  • sayanything-1317

    What race does he hate? Oh, you mean Islam? Islam's not a race.

    It's a religion and an ideology. Which means, unlike the color of your skin, your religion is a choice.

  • sayanything-98

    Yes, the way you framed it, but Muslims are similar to the JAPS who attacked us on 12/7/41.

    Read this, then comment back:
    http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/10/islamic-f…

  • sayanything-98

    On topic: "If a commander on the ground wants to try and capture a target, possibly because he is believed to have vital intellligence, go for the capture."

    And the commander on the ground can attempt to gather vital intelligence from that capture.
    Remember, he could have killed him. AND he was not a member of those signing the Geneva Convention.

  • sayanything-316

    Now here is a snide, know-nothing fuk post:

    How are you defining "terrorist"? Is it someone who is no doubt a terrorist or is it someone who is in the wrong spot at the wrong time? This post assumes that interrogation can only be used to find other terrorists. *News flash*: Interrogation can also be used to find out if the person is in fact a terrorist.

    Maybe we should just go around and kill everyone who we THINK is a terrorist… that'll stop young Arabs and Muslims from hating the US.

    We are in combat, Stunod. The last thing we should care about is whether they like us.

    We already know the answer, because they are trying to kill us.

    Secondly, how can you tell someone is a terrorist.

    Well for starters, fighting outside the generally accepted rules of combat are a real giveaway. Your question tells me that you never served and that you never served in combat, and it particularly tells me that you never served in combat against terrorists.

    Soldiers fight in the distinctive uniform and under the distinctive flag of their nation and/or army. Any time a US soldier or Marine puts on his uniform, he is really marking himself as a clear target for any enemy combatant.

    He doesn't disguise himself as a covered female, or as an unarmed civilian, but terrorists do, and they do it all the time. It is one of the many things that terrorists do that sets them apart from a lawful soldier.

    Soldiers do not hide behind civilians when they open fire on Americans.
    Terrorists do.

    Soldiers do not force women or children to drive up to a checkpoint with explosives strapped to them, to be detonated remotely. Or to instigate what seems to be a wrongful killing on the Americans' part.
    Terrorists do.

    Soldiers don't open fire from churches, mosques, hospitals or places where children are known to be, such as schools.
    Terrorists do.

    Soldiers don't torture and kill non-combatants, and particularly don't film it to cause terror and revulsion in their enemies.
    Terrorists do.

    There's a long list of differences between soldiers and terrorists, but asshat fuktards like yourself are incapable and unwilling to use their minds to acknowledge those differences, but instead, lay baseless, cowardly and filthy accusations against American fighting men.

    Dude, you are such vile filth.

  • sayanything-2

    BB? The Qur'an is the primary weapon that humans need to use in order to destroy Muslim terrorism.Make them live by the "law" they claim to obey. Read the book. Then ram it down their throats.

  • sayanything-2

    I am not. Allah is. And anyone, ANYONE AT ALL, who knowingly kills the innocent is sentenced to death by beheading. Not my law, that is Allah's law, according to the Qur'an. Read the book. DO NOT LET ANY MAN PLACE HIMSELF BETWEEN YOU AND GOD. That is where Islam has been stolen. Read the book. It will make all things clear.

  • bob1956

    Or we could perform like we did with the two Madass boys (madas is sadam backwards bad joke). As I remember it we were entering the building and were fired upon. We responded with a couple of rockets and solved the problem. IE: The idea is to kill them first and not loose any of our own. I don't condone death but to the enemy. If we can get info that is another question but they need to be the ones who go to their higher being, not us.

  • sayanything-2

    The Qur'an defines who is a terrorist, and it requires that they be beheaded, publicly. They claim they want to die for their god. Fine. As real human beings we must kill them in their god's name, as the Qur'an requires.

  • sayanything-2

    Poor cuntnumdrum, the lengths you will go to in defending your heroes, child murdering terrorists, is incredible.

  • sayanything-7134

    , just done what the white people who control him order him to do. Nothing to do with religion in that statement more to do with color.

  • sayanything-7134

    , just done what the white people who control him order him to do. 2h9 That statement has nothing to do with religion everything to do with color. Sorry no retraction.

  • sayanything-7134

    I think you might have to look at your family tree and really find out when the inbreeding started.

  • sayanything-7134

    , just done what the white people who control him order him to do. Sorry that has to do with color not religion. It surprised me in that he calls every one a whinyc#nt but has never really brought in color before.

  • sayanything-7134

    I would rather see the enemy dead then sending in a group of guys to hopefully get a guy to question. That said it was on the news yesterday that they caught one of the top taliban leaders in a special operation.

  • sayanything-42

    Show where he made any mention of race or color.

    He didn't, you can't.

    frackwit.

  • sayanything-42

    I'll take that as a "no" in response to my question:

    Did your parents have any children who were not "developmentally challenged*"?

    * Since "retarded" seems to be just right out these days…

    and as evidence that anal sex can produce offspring.

  • sayanything-42

    And left him in the custody of the of the Pakistanis for some strange reason…

  • http://Array sayanything-2

    cuntnundrum? You got any proof that Barri is not doing exactly what the white people who control him are ordering him to do? He does not have the mental capacity to make decisions for himself, unlike Juan Williams, Jesse Jackson, the late Hosea Williams, Julian Bond, Thurgood Marshal, Herman Cain, Malcolm Little, Bill Cosby, et al. He simply does what he is told, and does that poorly. Has nothing to do with race, you are much the same.

  • sayanything-2

    So you support the CIA and its less than legal operations? So noted.

  • sayanything-2

    Where he IS being tortured, and will continue to be tortured until he is dead.

  • sayanything-42

    How unfortunate.

  • sayanything-2

    Yea, I get a tear, thinking about all the terrorist f**ks who should be rusticating in the custody of the Pakistani prison system.

  • sayanything-1317

    Unfortunately the Quran/Koran defines innocent differently than the Bible or other books. If anyone blasphemes against Allah, or "spreads mischief/corruption" (depends on the translation) or commits aggression, or changes from his religion…etc, they are no longer innocent.

  • sayanything-1317

    Well the statement wasn't intelligent the first time you posted it, much less the other two. Clearly some of your statement was deleted, but I don't feel like I lost out. The part I read was nonsensical garbage, so I doubt what I missed was any better.

  • sayanything-2

    No, those are the lies spread by false mullahs. Read the book yourself, do not accept the "interpretation" that is used to justify the evil being done under the guise of Islam. Get yourself a decent, non-poetic translation of the Qur'an and find out for yourself. And yes, I know, it is a grindingly boring read.

  • sayanything-7134

    "cuntnundrum? You got any proof that Barri is not doing exactly what the white people who control him are ordering him to do? He does not have the mental capacity to make decisions for himself" 2h9 Your proof is where?

  • sayanything-7134

    " Barri has not had any input into tactics or strategy, just done what the white people who control him order him to do" 2h9 above. Now read this . This is what I was quoting. I said it was a racist comment. I wrote slow so you could read it. I had never taken 2/9 for a racist, foulmouthed yes, but not racist. I commented on it. I hope that helps you

  • sayanything-2

    So, cuntnundrum, who has told us how superior he is to all "minorities", is calling other people racist, and can provide zero proof that Barri is doing anything other than what the white people who control him order him to do, no proof at all. So, all those white men who run your Party, the Democrat Party, and refuse to allow anyone who is even slightly darker than them to participate unless they pay for the privilege, are not as racist as you are? Really?

  • sayanything-2

    Oh, and Barri's race, Caucasoid, has nothing to do with his lack of intelligence, his anti-human ideology takes care of making him an idiot.

  • sayanything-7134

    Lets do a head count of people of color in the republican party, the democratic party , the Tea Party. Hmmm no contest.

    So, cuntnundrum, who has told us how superior he is to all "minorities", is calling other people racist, and can provide zero proof that Barri is doing anything other than what the white people who control him order him to do, no proof at all -2/9 – What the hell are you alluding to.

  • robert108

    Typical leftie racial quota thinking from you.

  • sayanything-7134

    " You got any proof that Barri is not doing exactly what the white people who control him are ordering him to do? " 2/9 When you learn to read come back to play. Are you parents brother and sister or 1st cousins?

    "and as evidence that anal sex can produce offspring." Written by someone obviously in the know. Do you give good bjs also?

  • sayanything-2

    Ah, poor little cuntnundrum, can't prove Barri is not doing exactly as the white people who control him tell him to do, and now it is throwing a hissy fit. Hahahahahahahahahaha!! What a self-delusional maroon.

  • sayanything-2

    Or proof that he is not doing so poorly, like everything else he has ever done.

  • sayanything-7134

    and your proof of his being controlled is where?

  • sayanything-7134

    "So, all those white men who run your Party, the Democrat Party, and refuse to allow anyone who is even slightly darker than them to participate unless they pay for the privilege, are not as racist as you are? Really?" Less do a head count. Democratic, Republican, Tea Party, Neo Nazis, Black Panthers You do have Steele (even though you don't want him because of differences in…….)

  • sayanything-7134

    15th response , That would be the digits on your hands and 5 of your toes.

    That would be the ones in the blue gray boxes It has a picture of a C_A_T

    upper left corner. 2hotel9 just to right of the picture of the C_A_T. You should be able to find it now

  • sayanything-1317

    I have two different translations of the Quran. And I've read dozens of others online. They all support that death is acceptable for those who persecute Muslims, and spread mischief/corruption. Moreover, the Hadith, which is of great importance to the Muslim faith, allows for death for apostacy.

    If these are lies spread by "false mullahs", then many of Muhammad's closest confidants were false mullahs, who all told the exact same lies.

  • sayanything-1317

    Let's do a racist bile count thrown at minority leftists and a racist bile count of minority Republicans.

    Hands down, no contest. Right wing minorities are routinely called racist names by leftists. Not by some fringe either, but by respected leftist columnists and cartoonists in major newspapers.

    And it's cool. Even when you speak slowly, you still sound retarded.

  • sayanything-2

    Poor little cuntnundrum, all it can do is screech its racist sh*t and cry. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Your boy Barri, the Caucasoid President of America, has not an original thought in his head, and is controlled by a crowd of white people who hate him. Too f**king funny, you racist Democrat f**ks are so transparent.

  • sayanything-2

    Kenny? The Qur'an is very specific, any who kill, or call for the killing of, innocent children and women are to be dragged into square in front of the nearest mosques and beheaded. You want to keep believing what false mullahs tell you it says instead of actually believe what it actually says, go for it, this is America and you have the right to believe any stupid sh*t you choose.

  • sayanything-7134

    like I wrote above I didn't think that you were racists, just foul mouthed. You were the one that brought color into this whole thread. I called you on it. The best you can do is spout your usual profanity except you didn't add whiny in yet.

  • sayanything-1317

    I've read the Quran. These "false mullahs" quote it quite heavily, and argue theologically in depth. It's always the "Islam is peaceful" types that just state "It's is peaceful! So there!" Pardon me if I don't feel like getting into it in depth as you'll just simply say "Nope!" again and call me stupid.

    But there is no translation of the Quran which doesn't contain Sura 9, which states that trying to sway people from Islam is evil. And which states that speaking against Islam justifies violence. There is no translation of the Hadith which doesn't claim "And the day will come when the Jews will hide behind the rocks and trees. And the rocks and trees will claim 'Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"

    http://www.muslimhope.com/IslamWarlikeOrPeaceful….

    In short, you're not correct. The Quran and the Hadith contradict you. And the Muslims have always understood these verses to mean this. You can see this in their statements in the Hadith, and the history of the expansion of Islam. You can read it in all the statements during the Crusades. And you can see it in all of the commentaries on the Quran through history. And you can see it in our meetings with the Barbary pirates. If your view of Islam is correct, it means that even Muhammad's closest confidants got it wrong. Sorry, the evidence is overwhelming. But you're free to continue to be wrong.

    If you'd like to actually start debating instead of just asserting you're right, I'll listen though.

  • sayanything-1317

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=209…

    Islam is Not a Religion of Pacifists

    Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, 1942

    Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law]. …

    Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does that mean that Muslim should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!

    There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.

    Call it what you will 2H9, the man knows his Quran, and his claims of hundreds of violent verses is correct. There are 109 calls to violence against non-believers in the Quran alone.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-viole…

  • sayanything-2

    And still no proof that your boy Barri has any mental capacity? He is just another white boy faking his way through life. Like you! How sad.

  • sayanything-2

    Kenny? Keep believing the lies your mental superiors ram up your a$$ with their penises, I'm certain that lets you sleep at night.

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