Obama Administration Declares The Air You Exhale To Be Danger To “Public Health And Welfare”

Along with four other “greenhouse gases.”

WASHINGTON (AP) – The Environmental Protection Agency concluded Friday that greenhouse gases linked to climate change “endanger public health and welfare,” setting the stage for regulating them under federal clean air laws.
The EPA action marks the first step toward imposing limits on pollution linked to climate change, which would mean tighter rules for cars and power plants.

The regulatory part of this is bad. Once the EPA gets the coal plans (as an example) in its sights, can you imagine what their attempt to regulate the coal industry out of existence will do to our utility bills? Coal is the cheapest source of power in the country. It supplies roughly 51% of our national power grid. Our utility bills will go through the roof, and beyond that direct consequence imagine what it will do to the economy as businesses cope with heavy increases in the amount of overhead devoted to power and fuel?
Can you say “layoffs?”
But the part of this that may be worse is that this opens the door to the trial lawyers. With carbon dioxide, something each and every one of us exhales, listed as a threat to public health the lawyers are going to come out of the woodwork to sue every single business in America that emits these gases. Starting with the power plants first.
Meaning that these businesses, including the power producers, will not only be fending off the government but and endless stream of torts too. All because the government decided to arbitrarily classify certain gases as causing “climate change” despite there being no conclusive evidence to suggest that human activity is, in fact, causing climate change.
What a mess this is going to be.
On a related note, how much carbon could we save from being emitted into the atmosphere if we got all the environmental bureaucrats in the nation to hold their collective breaths in perpetuity?

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  • http://Array robert108

    Because it isn’t the government’s job to protect us from harmful behavior.

    I have never said it was, so your attack is irrelevant. In fact, though, the govt does, in fact, protect us from harmful behavior in many ways, at the request of the voters.
    I will say the same thing I always say: Put it to a vote!
    You keep ignoring the truth here.

    Finally, I repeat that I was simply stating the truth: cigarette smoke is harmful, carbon dioxide is not.
    Can you refute that, Rob? If you can, bring it, and stop the false personal attacks.

  • ellinas

    Rob: I ask again: Why do you accuse me of supporting big govt when I have never made any such statement? Why do you do that?
    robert108 on April 17, 2009 at 01:27 pm

    Because you are a crazy person. You are against anything anybody says. You make false assertions and statements constantly.

  • sayanything-5371

    If CO2 is a pollutant then why don’t all the liberals that actually believe that just kill themselves to help save the planet? At the very least all the ones I saw driving cars with their little Obama stickers should stop driving. And turn off your lights, and stop using refrigeration and any sort of modern convenience.

  • andophiroxia

    Oh goody, another excuse to expand the government, this time to regulate the very gas we exhale.

    Another step of the government to determine who lives or dies. Isn’t that peachy?

  • Kidtransport

    Water vapor IS a greenhouse gas, in fact by far the most prevalent, and the hardest to MEASURE because it is contstantly evaporating, falling to earth, running downhill to the ocean, etc. etc etc. That is why you never hear anything about it and CO2 gets all the fame. Somebody please tell me is it warmer or colder on cloudy days?(high water vapor concentration) But then, is it warmer or colder on cloudy nights? Somehow this seems to be about blocking or holding radiant energy from the sun. Hmmmmm….maybe the SUN is the source of global warming. Maybe that explains why other planets go through cyles, also. As for all the “proof” behind global warming..like the old adage says “figures don’t lie…but liars can figure”!

  • robert108

    Carbon dioxide, no; cigarette smoke, yes.

  • Buzz

    The thing about it being natural cycles is that if it is a natural cycle and we do nothing to stop it, we are all dead. Kind of a big deal isn’t it? Instead of being so worried about your grand kids taxes, you should be worried about their ability to feed themselves, and breath without a respirator.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Andro:

    He said it was a whole hell of a lot more clearer to see the mountains now than it was then…

    … I guess the people making the catalytic converter knew what they were talking about, and they didn’t need the government to intervene then.

    That would be the big government mandated catalytic converters and the big government mandated special fuel formula. One could trace the mandates back to Tricky Dick Nixon’s EPA and his Clean Air Act.

    The old crook actually did a few good things.

  • welder4

    If the weather czar gets his way we could very well be facing a perpetual Winter any one for running the stove all year long and keeping the salt handy so you can make it out of the drive? Idiots should not try to mess with the weather it is controlled by the sun and God He is also making fun of Al Gore right now, dumping 36 inches of snow in the Spring and making it colder over most of the world.the polar ice caps are not melting they are cracking and breaking up from extreme cold temps.and the polar bears have only increased in population by 400% so yes they should be on the endangered list ,wow what a bunch of liars we have on the warming issues.Think your energy bills are high now wait till you get cap an trade.

  • robert108

    Rob: It looks like your leftie attack dogs have joined you in the smear festival. Shame on you!

  • andophiroxia

    The earth has been bombarded by all sorts of cosmic rays, meteor chunks, etc. We have been through Ice Ages and heat waves. To be honest the best defense for pollution is technology. I remember a buddy of mine who lived in LA mentioned about how bad the smog was about 50+years ago. He said it was a whole hell of a lot more clearer to see the mountains now than it was then.

    You’d think logically, that more people, more pollution. Well, that would only make sense if you didn’t factor in technology. 50+ years ago, LA was really rural and a lot less people than today, so LA should be a million times worse now. However, we can see the mountains in LA when we couldn’t before, and the air quality is much better even though we have a higher density of people. I remember my friend telling me 50+ years ago they had to call off going outside because of how bad the smog was. Now, LA doesn’t have that.

    I guess the people making the catalytic converter knew what they were talking about, and they didn’t need the government to intervene then.

    So, it is utter paranoia that we’re all going to die soon because of this. We’ll just die soon because it gives government the excuse to regulate who breathes and who doesn’t–in short who lives and who dies.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Let me try this. CO2 is recycled by green leaves from trees and other plants. It is called photosynthesis. I guess the liberals are running out of things to tax so CO2 is fair game?

  • Uncle Joe

    Oh goody, another excuse to expand the government, this time to regulate the very gas we exhale.

  • robert108

    Again, my inital statement on this thread was that carbon dioxide is not dangerous or unhealthy, but cigarette smoke is dangerous and unhealthy.
    For that, the attack dogs were unleashed. I stand by my statement, despite your untrue accusations, and always will. Your off-topic attacks convince me I am in the right here.
    Only people who know they’re wrong behave like you have, Rob.

  • robert108

    …if it is a natural cycle and we do nothing to stop it, we are all dead.

    It’s not a “natural cycle”, and it doesn’t need to be stopped. It is the way the natural world works; humans take in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide, and plants inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen. Everybody wins.
    The foolishness of branding carbon dioxide as “harmful” is purely a political power grab. It puts the enviroextremists in charge of the economy, instead of the independent individual American citizens.

  • docdave

    The not so hidden agenda behind CO2 reduction is population control. i.e. you reduce population and the number of people exhaling CO2 goes down. Those that push for greenhouse gas reduction are the same that complain that the world is overpopulated. Further correlation ties in consumption. i.e. less people, less consumption of resources. All in all, most if not all environental issues are anti-humans.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    The idiots in government also list water vapor as a greenhouse gas; stop the insanity!

  • robert108

    Robert, I say that you’re for big government because you actually support big government policies. No, I don’t, but if you have any proof of your claim, bring it. You claiming otherwise, just like you’re endless claims that everyone around you is lying, I only nail the lies, Rob, not “everyone around” me. That’s another untrue statement from you. doesn’t make it so.

    Can’t you make an argument on the facts, instead of making false personal attacks? I know if you had a real argument, you would make it, but you don’t. You just accuse me of saying things I didn’t say.

    One moment you are supporting gov. intervention, I have never done that. I support the will of the people, expressed through voting. Always have. then the next you claim to only support signage. I have supported signage for over twenty years, so it’s a fact, not a claim.

    I also support smokers taking responsibility for the consequences of their actions, when they take away the freedom and quality of life of non-smokers.
    None of you absolutists can ever address that issue. Instead, you ignore that obvious issue, and try to attack me for disagreeing with your wish to grant unlimited license to smokers.

  • Buzz

    Oh, he’s crazy. Probably bi-polar manic. Some days he actually makes sense, but an hour later he is completely irrational and rambling.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Once the EPA gets the coal plans

    You meant coal plants right?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Wow, this is bad. We should have voted for McCain to stop this idiocy.

    Oh wait, he’s all for this crap as well.

  • Ken

    I have never said it was, so your attack is irrelevant. In fact, though, the govt does, in fact, protect us from harmful behavior in many ways, at the request of the voters.
    I will say the same thing I always say: Put it to a vote!
    You keep ignoring the truth here.

    I’ve followed several of these smoking threads over the last few years (as an outside observer), so I may be able to offer perspective. I think the problem is, r108, that you are constantly all over the place with your stance. One moment you are supporting gov. intervention, then the next you claim to only support signage. The area I quoted above is a perfect example of this. You basically say: “I don’t support big government getting involved, BUT the government has gotten involved in other health issues. We should put it to a vote.” If you were truly for limited government, you wouldn’t advocate a vote, because the rights of the property owner should trump the wishes of the collective.

    You switch stances continually, advocating gov. intervention, but then when called out on it, always say that you really only support signage. When you do this, it makes it really hard to debate you. People have to jump through hulla-hoops to follow you, and then you get upset when Rob can’t keep up with your gymnastics.

  • robert108

    Rob: I ask again: Why do you accuse me of supporting big govt when I have never made any such statement? Why do you do that?
    No straw man this time, please. Try to defend your accusation, instead of trying to distract with another one.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    No, we’d probably still think he was crazy.

  • robert108

    Ahhh, “conservative” r108 is ok with big government as long as it targets one of his pet peeves.

    You keep parroting the same untrue smear, Rob. I support(and have always supported), the will of the people to stop harmful behavior. In this case, I was commenting on the harmfulness of cigarette smoke(which you have finally admitted), and the harmlessness of carbon dioxide. I made no statement supporting big govt. Why do you do that?
    If you check your archives, you will see that I have supported clearly visible signage for businesses on this matter, unlike your false accusation. Check your records, and be ashamed.
    I have never supported big govt.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Ahhh, “conservative” r108 is ok with big government as long as it targets one of his pet peeves.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Because you are a crazy person. You are against anything anybody says. You make false assertions and statements constantly.

    I agree with this.

    Robert, I say that you’re for big government because you actually support big government policies. You claiming otherwise, just like you’re endless claims that everyone around you is lying, doesn’t make it so.

    If you were capable of admitting when you were wrong, or even just communicating in a reasonable fashion, maybe people wouldn’t think you are crazy.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    You get more carcinogenic dangers from fresh “organic” tomatoes thanks to evolution, from radon in your basement thanks to physics, and from ultraviolet radiation thanks to the sun. Life is never without risks and second hand smoke is not one of the larger ones. Not even close. Unless of course you count how many larger ones it causes people to be ignorant of due to the emotionality over smoking. In which case second hand smoke as an issue is a major killer.

    CO2 on the other hand is perfectly natural and innocuous. Except in the minds of idiots who don’t understand geochemistry and planetary mechanics.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I made no statement supporting big govt. Why do you do that?

    Because it isn’t the government’s job to protect us from harmful behavior.

    You just don’t get that, because you’re ignorant.

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