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Saturday, September 06, 2008

Obama Accuses Palin Of Being In Favor Of Pork Despite Having Passed $740 Million Earmarks Himself

Including one earmark worth $1 million for his wife’s employer right after she got a 120% raise.

Obama then opened up rare criticism on VP nominee Sarah Palin, “I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change. And that is great. She is a skillful politician. But when you been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person. That is not change, come on. I mean, words mean something. You can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear.”

Actually, according to the McCain team (via press release), even if Palin is guilty of securing some earmarks in Alaska (and she is, though I’d remind you that not all earmarks are bad earmarks) it would still be change because the McCain/Palin ticket is responsible for a hell of a lot less pork than Obama/Biden:

Barack Obama has requested the equivalent of one million dollars in new pork barrel spending for every working day he’s been in the U.S Senate, while John McCain has never once asked for an earmark, and Governor Palin has vetoed hundreds of millions in government spending including killing the infamous “bridge to nowhere”. Just like so many other issues Barack Obama is all talk, has no record to back it up and isn’t ready to make change.

Just to drive that point home: Every single working day in the Senate for Barack Obama costs the taxpayers $1 million in pork.

And he’s accusing Sarah Palin of being a big government spender.

I honestly have to think that Republicans were sitting around waiting for Obama to go down this road.  I mean, this is about as bad as Obama saying Palin is inexperienced.

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Obama is such a DUD! AND a Socialist DUD at that!

Zsa Zsa on September 6, 2008 at 02:43 pm
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And that’s relevant because McCain introduced Obama specifically as someone that cut earmarks, refused pork.....oh, he didn’t?

jpe on September 6, 2008 at 03:27 pm

...McCain introduced Obama specifically as someone that cut earmarks, refused pork.....
jpe on September 6, 2008 at 03:27 pm

When and in what venue did McCain introduce Obama in this manner?

Blue Eagle Six on September 6, 2008 at 04:03 pm

You’d think someone would have advised the former teacher that he was stepping right into a big pile of excrement on that one… Something like:

“Pst, Obama, don’t bring up the issue of experience, Mmmk?  They’ll cream you on it… Oh, and don’t talk about pork, that one isn’t your strong point either.  Oh, and forget about foreign policy and religion.... You know what, how about you just talk about Hope and Change and leave it at that, Mmmmk?”


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Sphagnum on September 6, 2008 at 04:24 pm

And that’s relevant because McCain introduced Obama specifically as someone that cut earmarks, refused pork

What the hell are you saying..? 

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atease on September 6, 2008 at 04:29 pm

He’s saying he smoked a little too much pot this morning…


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Sphagnum on September 6, 2008 at 04:39 pm

Wow. I didn’t realize Obama was running against Palin.

I think people should relaize it should be Obama’s policies adn way of doing things vs McCain’s policies and way of doing things.

Want to compare Palin, then compare her to Biden as the VP, because I see too much of it being Palin vs Obama, which makes it seem as if McCain isn’t even running for President.

Strange how Biden is not getting the same type of attention and scrutiny by the blogs and media.

sanity on September 6, 2008 at 05:01 pm

Wow. I didn’t realize Obama was running against Palin.

...Strange how Biden is not getting the same type of attention and scrutiny by the blogs and media.

Sanity..Biden has an easily accessible history for which nobody can defend, Palin is an unknown, thus the Democrats must once again resort to their politics of fear.


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Spartacus on September 6, 2008 at 05:13 pm

.Biden has an easily accessible history for which nobody can defend,

Correct, and yet, it doesn’t seem like anyone, blogs or media are willing to put Biden’s history / policies out for citizen consumption.

I understand wanting to know more about Palin, but this has gone beyond vetting Palin into making crap up (don’t have something, make it up policy?).

What I have noticed with this media attention the way it is, Palin is under intense scrutiny (if you really want to call it ‘scrutiny’wink while McCain and Biden has been left to idle (meaning no real comparisons have policies or history) and the way everyone seems ot be covering this it seems as if it is Obama vs Palin, not Obama vs McCain.

I also keep seeing, what if Palin was President.

Well, what if BIDEN was President?

Like Algebra, what you do to one side you must do to the other.

sanity on September 6, 2008 at 05:31 pm
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Good News!

According to Gallup, McCain was ahead of Obama by 4.2 points on Friday!

Here’s the analysis:  http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Bill Mitchell on September 6, 2008 at 05:42 pm
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Just in case you haven’t done the math, that’s an amazing 12 point Convention Bounce for McCain-Palin!

Wowsers!

Bill Mitchell on September 6, 2008 at 05:44 pm

Are you kidding me Mitch, no Gallup poll show what you are claiming. You got this “analysis” from the site you linked:

The Gallup tracker now shows Barack Obama leading by 2 points, down from 4 a day ago. When I attempt to estimate the daily results from the topline numbers, however, I get the following:
Wednesday: Obama +7.8Thursday: Obama +2.4Friday: McCain +4.2is site

So this is not the result of the Gallup poll, Mitch buddy, it is some guy posting on what he/she thinks the results say.  Nice try...accuracy is not your strong point.

Puzzlefeet on September 6, 2008 at 05:56 pm

So she was for earmarks before she was against them.  No wonder McCain picked her. They are both for things before they are against them.

Puzzlefeet on September 6, 2008 at 05:57 pm

Yeah Puzzle, but her earmarks are less than Obama’s, that makes her lies irrelevant I guess.

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Hannitized on September 6, 2008 at 06:38 pm

sanity

Correct, and yet, it doesn’t seem like anyone, blogs or media are willing to put Biden’s history / policies out for citizen consumption.

Biden is a boring Washington liberal bureaucrat...what’s to talk about? He has nothing to offer but more of the same stale politics of a do-nothing Congress with a 9% approval rating. Even with Bush’s 38% approval rating right now, he beats Congress hands down. Biden is more than boring...Yawn!

At least McCain went for a bright shining Washington outsider to stand by his side! She’s articulate (even without a Teleprompter) and a barracuda gun toting, corruption busting, breath of fresh air in what has been the dullest, stalest and longest political campaign for President in my life-time!

Sarah Palin is a bright star rising on the national stage and McCain has picked a huge asset to energize his run for the Presidency! He’s a true American hero and she’s the young, smart, sly Arctic Fox who will tear down the phony fasade of B. Hussein Obama before she’s through! B. Hussein is shaking in his elitist empty suit....and the liberal’s fear is palatable!


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JazzyKat on September 6, 2008 at 06:54 pm

Gee I wonder if any of that money worked its way into the coffers of any politically radical organizations...?

Wing Chun Geologist on September 6, 2008 at 07:14 pm
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I don’t think Obama has championed the end of earmarks as Palin recently has.  Obama has fought to make the process transparent and that is why all of his are posted on his website and why you know what they are.

Palin has been running on being anti-earmark.  If she was really anti-earmark why did she advocate for them, including the bridge to nowhere.

Lestat on September 6, 2008 at 08:20 pm

Lestat, I love how you lefties create caricatures of your opponents views, then use that caricature as a basis for attacking what are in reality much more nuance positions…

Just saying…

Carrick on September 6, 2008 at 09:19 pm
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I actually have no problem with local officials requesting earmarks for their district.  That is what they are supposed to do under our system. 

But if you are going to request earmarks, you shouldn’t campaign for national office by running against them.

And as for the bridge to nowhere, it isn’t really a moral or ethical stand when you are shamed into doing something.

Lestat on September 6, 2008 at 09:24 pm

To be technical, Lestat, she wasn’t shamed into doing anything.

The US Congress refused to fully fund the bridge and she refused to use them for the bridge because the writing was on the wall: The bridge would never be fully funded.

Also, the bridge was requested by the local municipality and funded by Stevens, Palin had nothing to do with it one way or another (though she did support it).  I’ll agree she isn’t perfect on this issue because she has later made political hay out of the fact that she didn’t use those dollars towards the bridge (a decision that she was roundly criticized for in the AK papers at the time, btw).

This is a perfect example of the problems with both sides of the aisle.  Many on the right are demonizing Stevens for his support of the project, and frankly have no fucking clue what was even involved here beyond the empty and meaningless title “bridge to nowhere”. Just as many on the left are using a cartoon coloring book version of events to criticize Governor Palin’s behavior.

But it’s wrong to paint the decision not to build the bridge as a general distaste for earmarks, when clearly that isn’t the case.  But it was the right choice in this case given the reality of the situation, and required some gazongas on Palin’s part, something I never expect Lestat to admit to.

Carrick on September 6, 2008 at 10:26 pm
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Sarah Palin demonsrates the power of someone who truly believes something.

This is why Obama seems so shaky.  His soaring impersonations of MLK aren’t backed up by strong core beliefs.  What did he run on in the Primaries that he has not flopped on?

Also, Sarah Palin has quickly become “America’s Mom” and nobody messes with ur momma.

Bill Mitchell on September 7, 2008 at 02:40 am

Obama Accuses Palin Of Being In Favor Of Pork Despite Having Passed $740 Million Earmarks Himself

This is Barry’s “experience” that he keeps selling us.

Mickey on September 7, 2008 at 05:54 am

Sarah Palin Took On British Patroleum And Won- And That Was Just The Warm-Up.
Then to follow up that act, she got the Alaskan Legislature to approve development of the TransCanada gas pipeline, a $40 billion deal that will go 1,715 miles from the treatment plant at Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, to the Alberta hub in Canada, from which it will be transferred to the United States.

SO HOW DOES the experience of Sarah Palin stack up against the experience of Joe Biden and Barry Obama? There are some people who confuse experience in the Senate with seniority. In the Senate you get to be Chairman of something or other if you sit around long enough until all those with higher seniority pass out of the picture. Merit has nothing to do with it. That’s how Biden got to be chairman of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  BIG FREAKIN DEAL!

No Senator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has authority under the U.S. Constitution to conduct foreign relations or to negotiate treaties. That’s why Biden has no experience in foreign relations, and Palin does. He just talks about foreign policy, and talks…and talks. Biden’s long tenure on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is not necessarily a red badge of courage. He thinks he has experience, but most of his experience is wrong.

There is one thing of which we can be sure of: If Sarah Palin had been in the Senate in 1973, she would not have been one of the five Senators opposing the Alaska Pipeline Bill.

Mickey on September 7, 2008 at 06:23 am
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Rasmussen has the race tied this morning.  Considering Obama was ahead by 2 on Thursday and 3 on Friday, this means that McCain-Palin had to poll +2.5 on Saturday to result in a 3-day-moving-average tie today.

These numbers include 3 days post-Palin speech, but only 2 days post-McCain speech.  Assuming we still have some drift towards Palin on Sunday, Rasmussen could have McCain-Palin +3 or +4 by Monday which should go a long way to freaking out the MSM.

After all, Obama doesn’t have a nifty VP announcement and Convention to counter McCain’s bounce.

Zogby (for what it’s worth) also has McCain-Palin +4 today and all indication point to Gallup polling McCain-Palin +4.2 on Friday.

Note: Remember that Rasmussen is giving Democrats a 7.5 point sampling advantage in his polling even though he states on his own website that they only have a 5.5 point party affiliation advantage.  In other words, things could be even worse for Obama than it appears.

Bill Mitchell on September 7, 2008 at 06:43 am

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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 06:46 am
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realitybasedbob,

Wasilla is a fast-growing town with a relatively small population.  The idea that more money would be spent there than in other remote parts of Alaska makes perfect sense.

Bill Mitchell on September 7, 2008 at 08:23 am

Don’t sweat it, Bill Mitchell.  rbb knows that Palin was doing her job as mayor and doing it well.

There’s a huge difference between utilizing federal grant development money as a mayor, and writing earmarks to shmooze the supporters as a senator.


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pparets on September 7, 2008 at 08:37 am
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just do a google search of “The Bridge to nowhere” and read the truth about Palin.

Is anyone on “Spin anything Blog” interested in reality?

imagine on September 7, 2008 at 08:37 am
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Obama is such a putz that he has to compare himself to the VP pick. Wahahahahaha!

You dems should have picked Clinton. Oops

mpls bob on September 7, 2008 at 08:55 am

Certainly not you, Imagine.

You’re obviously just interested in shilling for the DNC.

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 09:08 am
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Larry Sabato just announced on FoxNews that he has INSIDER INFORMATION that McCain-Palin will take a LARGE LEAD in major polls outside the margin of error next week.

Obama’s problem is that he has no exciting VP Pick or Convention to offset McCain’s gains.

Bill Mitchell on September 7, 2008 at 09:17 am

Gee I wonder if any of that money worked its way into the coffers of any politically radical organizations...?

Wing Chun Geologist on September 6, 2008 at 07:14 pm

Do not wonder. The internet has a plenty of information. Some of it true, and some of it false. A truth loving con like you should be able to find the answers you are wondering about. But I wonder (pun intended) if you are mature enough to discern the truth from rumor, lies and innuendo.

ellinas on September 7, 2008 at 09:30 am

realitybasedbob,

Wasilla is a fast-growing town with a relatively small population.  The idea that more money would be spent there than in other remote parts of Alaska makes perfect sense.

Bill Mitchell on September 7, 2008 at 08:23 am

Wow! In one fell swoop Billy boy explained to us why the governor of Alaska now says she is a pork barrel killer, but in the past she accepted the pork spending. Like it makes a difference wether a town is fast growing and another is not.
Thank you for enlightening us.
Isn’t that sweet of him defending a damsel in distress.

ellinas on September 7, 2008 at 09:38 am

New pig, same pork.


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 09:46 am

...why the governor of Alaska now says she is a pork barrel killer, but in the past she accepted the pork spending.

You seem to have a 1:1 relationship between pork spending and spending by the federal govt. 

I agree with Lestat that earmarks in this system are almost a requirement and transparency is at least a good way to reduce waste.

FlyOnTheWall on September 7, 2008 at 09:53 am

the twisting and turning of Bill Mitchell and Carrick justifying Palin’s pork spending ways as “nuance” is simply laughable. 

McCain is hiding Palin from the press so she doesn’t have to face the same scrutiny that all the other candidates do.  If she is so good, let her stand before the press and take questions.  She can’t stand up to the questioning because she first has to figure out what the vice-president does and what her positions are other than her flip flop on pork.

Why is McCain hiding her?  Come out Come out whereever you are Sarah. Biden doesn’t have to study to become vice-president, he knows the issues, the positions, he knows foreign affairs...oh yeah, Sarah is a few miles from Russia.

Puzzlefeet on September 7, 2008 at 10:01 am

If she is Raygun in a skirt...why is she hiding behind it?


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 10:07 am

Just to inject a little reality into P’s partisan spew: The so-called “bridge to nowhere” actually went somewhere.  It connected a small isolated island to the rest of the world.  The criticism(before the lying leftie sloganeering) was that it didn’t benefit enough people to justify the expense.  That doesn’t make it “pork”; it makes it a bad business proposition.
Of course, lefties generally stand up for small groups, except when they can attack someone for partisan political purposes.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 10:10 am

Biden doesn’t have to study to become vice-president, he knows the issues, the positions, he knows foreign affairs…

Puzzle,

Perhaps you can enlighten.  What exactly has Joe Biden ever done to warrant the appellation of “foreign policy expert?”

Granted, by comparison to Obama he is at least a “guest lecturer” but the very same people who trumpet Biden’s addition to the Democrats’ ticket and his foreign policy “expertise” shoring up Obama’s paucity of experience, are the very same ones who have castigated President George W. Bush for turning America’s foreign policy over to Vice President Dick Cheney and his band of “evil” neo-cons.

If President Bush’s is wrong in allowing his Vice President to influence foreign policy, what’s Biden doing on the Dem ticket as VP candidate?


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 10:20 am

The so-called “bridge to nowhere” actually went somewhere.

Tell it to your new darling.

In fact, I told Congress, I told Congress ‘thanks but no thanks’ on that Bridge to Nowhere.”

Palin


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 10:22 am

Perhaps you can enlighten.


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 10:26 am
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Perhaps you can enlighten.  What exactly has Joe Biden ever done to warrant the appellation of “foreign policy expert?”

He’s chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  It’s very similar to McCain’s experience. Both of them have studied and voted on the issues for three decades.  Being a Navy pilot and POW isn’t foreign policy experience.

Lestat on September 7, 2008 at 10:29 am

Tell it to your new darling.

As usual, Goebbels, you lie.  The bridge went somewhere.  Fact.  Your slogan is a lie.  It was a bad deal on a cost/benefit basis, which is why she ultimately didn’t support it.  That’s the way adults make decisions in the real world, btw.  Interesting that the hypocritical lefties want millions inconvenienced for a few owls, salamanders or frogs, but criticize a bridge if it doesn’t benefit enough people.  Maybe it’s just partisan politics, and has nothing whatsoever to do with right and wrong.


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Biden doesn’t have to study to become vice-president, he knows the issues, the positions, he knows foreign affairs…

And has been wrong on nearly every one!

For a short list of Biden’s blunders, go here.



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 10:32 am

Your new darling called it a “bridge to nowhere”.

What can we do?


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 10:34 am

Lestat,

Please pay attention for once!  The question was what has Biden actually DONE.  Sitting on his ass for 20 years doesn’t qualify.  Hell, John Kerry had done that.


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 10:37 am

Another view:

There are few places where bad judgment is so routinely tolerated as Washington. There is perhaps nowhere in the world where there is so little accountability, where bad judgment goes so routinely unpunished, as the U.S. Senate. This is why Joe Biden can be wrong about every major foreign policy issue for decades, and still be regarded as an “expert” in the field.

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 10:37 am
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Please pay attention for once!  The question was what has Biden actually DONE.  Sitting on his ass for 20 years doesn’t qualify.  Hell, John Kerry had done that.

Than John McCain doesn’t qualify either. Being a JO in the Navy isn’t foreign policy experience.  But I don’t agree with you that being a Senator is meaningless. 

What foreign policy experience do you want in a President?

Lestat on September 7, 2008 at 10:40 am

RBB:

Your new darling called it a “bridge to nowhere”.

I’m sure everybody would have preferred she refer to it as “Gravina Island Bridge”.  NOT.

Everybody knows it as the “bridge to nowhere”. 

So do you have a point there fuckface, are are you just showing what a turd of a human you are, as usual?

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 10:41 am

What foreign policy experience do you want in a President?

At least as much as dumbya had.


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 10:42 am

Than John McCain doesn’t qualify either. Being a JO in the Navy isn’t foreign policy experience.

In other words, you can’t answer the question!?  I thought as much!

But I don’t agree with you that being a Senator is meaningless.

You aren’t qualified to try and put word in my mouth.  I didn’t say that being a Senator is “meaningless.” What I intimated and now avow is that Senator Joe Biden hasn’t actually DONE anything in the foreign policy arena to warrant being called an “expert.” And as Proof notes above, Biden’s prior foreign policy positions have been consistently wrong-headed in any case.

I also noted that the selection of Biden for his foreign policy “expertise” flies in the face of the criticism leveled at President George W. Bush for relying on his VP for his foreign policy experience.  But if you can’t handle the first part of my critique, you certainly can’t deal ably with your side’s obvious hypocrisy where a VP Biden would be concerned.


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 10:52 am

Poor baby Carrick, loses an argument than starts swearing.  Pretty typical of Carrick when he toddles by.

Puzzlefeet on September 7, 2008 at 10:54 am

Lestat:

What foreign policy experience do you want in a President?

I happen to think this is a bit of a non sequitor.  Having experience is a bonus (only Palin has direct experience of this sort, but again that is not so important), but the president isn’t a dictator, and the people around him matter almost as much as who he is does itself.

By the time somebody has gotten my age, or Obama’s or even that “youngster” Palin, they have life experience.  The issue is what they do with that life experience, not whether the life experience lines up perfectly with the job description of POTUS.

Where the choices one made good or bad?  What does your track record suggest about your ability to govern an entire nation.

If we want to argue the qualifications for POTUS, that should be the basis, IMHO.

The dings that Obama gets aren’t so much that he doesn’t have foreign policy experience, but that his resume in general is rather thin.  It is true that Palin has more CNC, foreign policy, budgetary, etc experience as a governor, and this should translate well to the job.

But the main point is it is Obama vs McCain, not Obama vs Palin.

The Democrats made a strategic error (grounded I think in the misogynistic tendencies of the DNC leadership) by trying to compare Obama against Palin in terms of relatable presidential experience, because he honestly falls short.  They would have been much more served to quit character assassinating their opposition and concentrate on policy differences between the two parties.

Unless they don’t think they can win on that, in which case they really are screwed. 

Truthfully I’ve yet to see anything from RBB, H, Nunez or Lestat that suggests anyplace where they think their party platform has a winning hand.  (Certainly not any of the issues that come to my mind: taxes, dependence on foreign oil, fiscal restraint etc.)

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 10:55 am

Like you just said anything profound besides a translation of “nanny-nanny boo boo”, Puzzle?  At least what I have to say has meaning, even if the language is too adult for you.

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 10:57 am
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Palin has no foreign policy experience.  Being CinC of the National Guard is not foreign policy experience because anytime they do anything relating to foreign policy they are federalized.  Governors do not make those decisions.

Lestat on September 7, 2008 at 10:59 am

So do you have a point there fuckface, are are you just showing what a turd of a human you are, as usual?

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 10:41 am

Lordy Almighty! Carrick is getting mad!
The point was made and you intentionally ignored it.

ellinas on September 7, 2008 at 11:06 am

What foreign policy experience does Palin have again, other than Alaska being a few miles from Russia?  None, zippo, bupkis, zero zilch nada.

Puzzlefeet on September 7, 2008 at 11:06 am

She did go shopping in the Shannon airport.


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 11:12 am

Poor baby Carrick, loses an argument than starts swearing.  Pretty typical of Carrick when he toddles by.

Typical Democrat!  Can’t actually WIN at anything, but great at crowing about someone else’s purported loss.

Of course, Carrick hasn’t actually lost anything here.  Indeed, reviewing all the commentary over the past few days about Sarah Palin, its obvious that Carrick is correct.  Obama and the Democrats are so scared of Palin and the response her selection has generated, they’ve all but universally taken to comparing her not to Biden, but to Barack Obama.  As noted in the other thread, Palin has taken all the attetnion and focus away from Obama, and Axelrod and the Dems are getting, justifiably, desperate.


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 11:13 am

What foreign policy experience does Palin have again, other than Alaska being a few miles from Russia?  None, zippo, bupkis, zero zilch nada.

Puzzle,

Thank you for proving my point!!!


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 11:15 am

Being CinC of the National Guard is not foreign policy experience because anytime they do anything relating to foreign policy they are federalized

That statement is in true, but irrelevant.  It does speak to CNC experience, just not to foreign policy.

Her foreign policy experience has to do with dealings with her neighbors, who happen to be foreign countries.  There are occasionally issues that come up with respect to transportation & fishing in particular that get resolved at the regional level. This is as true for Canada (BC in particular) as it is for Alaska, btw.

But my point really was that Obama, who has no experience on the scale of Palin on any issue relating to being POTUS, should sensibly be the last person to being pointing fingers at Palin.  Unless he doesn’t think he can win on the issues, meaning he’s screwed.

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 11:15 am
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Certainly not any of the issues that come to my mind: taxes, dependence on foreign oil, fiscal restraint etc

On tax policy I think giving the middle class a tax cut is superior to the Bush tax policies.  It is true that a rising tide floats all boats, conservatives just confuse who the tide is and who the boats are.

On energy policy I do not think it is a good idea to have energy companies write our energy policy.  Despite his rhetoric I don’t think McCain will make an attempt to get rid of our dependence on oil.

On foreign policy I thing a policy of engaging other countries and trying to create friends is superior to isolating other countries and trying to create enemies.  I think that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the most important areas to fight terrorism and that Iraq was just a red herring.

On fiscal restraint, neither party has been very good, but I do believe that we greatly need to improve our infrastructure ant that the federal government cannot just pass this responsibility onto the states.

On science, I believe that if the US is to keep its economic advantage that the federal government must fund “fundamental research” and not rely on the private sector to do this.  Private sector companies do not do this type of research well because they cannot afford failures.  The private sector should be relied on to engineer the inventions that follow the fundamental research.

On public education I don’t think that giving parents choice is the answer unless you also increase pay.  You must have competent people teaching and you must compensate them.

Lestat on September 7, 2008 at 11:17 am

With all of Bidens “experience” on foreign policy he has been WRONF every time! That should tell us all something very important.

Zsa Zsa on September 7, 2008 at 11:21 am

I still don’t see that anyone has listed any actual accomplishment by Biden to demonstrate his claimed foreign policy “expertise.”

Nor have any of our Democrats here explained why Obama’s reliance on Biden’s so-called “foreign policy expertise” is any different than President Bush’s reliance on Dick Cheney, which the Dems have all bewailed so loudly.

Have another gulp of hypocrisy, Puzzle?  How about you, Lestat?


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 11:40 am
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Nor have any of our Democrats here explained why Obama’s reliance on Biden’s so-called “foreign policy expertise” is any different than President Bush’s reliance on Dick Cheney, which the Dems have all bewailed so loudly.

I don’t think the problem with Cheney was that he was giving advice, but the advice he was giving.  Please cite one example of where a liberal has said a vice president should not give advice.

I still don’t see that anyone has listed any actual accomplishment by Biden to demonstrate his claimed foreign policy “expertise.”

That is because you will not accept his work in the Senate.

It does speak to CNC experience, just not to foreign policy.

Citing Palin’s experience of CinC of the National Guard is just a right wing talking point hoping that most people do not understand how the National Guard works.  Which unfortunately is true.

Lestat on September 7, 2008 at 11:54 am

I think giving the middle class a tax cut is superior to the Bush tax policies.

As a leftie whose bread and butter is pitting one group against another, you would think that discriminatory tax rate cuts would be better than tax rate cuts for everyone.  You are preaching economic vengeance; that’s unAmerican.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 11:54 am

On energy policy I do not think it is a good idea to have energy companies write our energy policy.

More leftie class envy bullshit.  In our free enterprise economy, the less the govt interferes with the market, the better for the people.  Dem energy development obstructionism has produced the energy crisis we’re in today.  The solution is to get govt out of the market, with the exception of basic business laws, like enforcement of contracts, and the like.
Putting our energy policy in the hands of some idiot frog-huggers has been insane.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 11:57 am

...I do believe that we greatly need to improve our infrastructure ant that the federal government cannot just pass this responsibility onto the states.

The vast majority of our infrastructure in our country is funded by private capital, as it should be.  The only place for govt spending in infrastructure is for Interstate highways and a few other things.  Govt spending is inefficient; private sector investment is efficient.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 12:00 pm

Carrick says:

I’m sure everybody would have preferred she refer to it as “Gravina Island Bridge”.  NOT.

Everybody knows it as the “bridge to nowhere”.

Reality says:

...the newspaper quoted Palin as saying. “This link is a commitment to help Ketchikan expand its access, to help this community prosper.”

The newspaper also reported that she said “I think we’re going to make a good team as we progress that bridge project.”

So why doesn’t Sarah call it the “bridge to help the community expand access”?????


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Hannitized on September 7, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Private sector companies do not do this type of research well because they cannot afford failures.

Wrong.  Private sector companies are overtaxed and over-regulated, and the greedy govt sucks up the money that should be going to efficient private R&D, as opposed to the wasteful and politically-influenced govt spending on research.
The need to turn a profit makes an operation not only efficient, but directed toward what people want, instead of what partisan politicians want for us.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 12:02 pm

On public education I don’t think that giving parents choice is the answer unless you also increase pay. You must have competent people teaching and you must compensate them.

More bullshit.  School choice is not only the American way to do things, but it will reward merit and punish dysfunctionality in schools.  I do agree that getting govt out of our school system would allow merit-based pay, once the unions are kicked out.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 12:04 pm

I have to say that the entire meme about anyone who hasn’t been President or SecState has relatively little “foreign policy experience” that is relevant to being elected President or VP.  This is a straw man argument to distract from Obama’s lack of overall executive or administrative experience.
In a new President or VP, the important qualification is core principles and values; are they solid American values, or Eurosocialist/Marxist/collectivist values?  Will the new Chief Executive and VP stand up to foreign dictators and kill the terrorists, or will they seek to appease them by treating them as equals, and by apologizing for America?
Sarah and McCain are the clear winners on this measure.  The Dems have nothing that will continue American greatness and prosperity in the world.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 12:14 pm

I don’t think the problem with Cheney was that he was giving advice, but the advice he was giving.

Well, yes… there is also the fact that Cheney actually wants the US to WIN in it’s confrontations with those who oppose religious, political, and economic freedom, whereas those on the Left oppose such ambitions and are far more inclined to lower the US to the rest of the world’s less lofty standards.  But on the other hand, given Biden’s record of being wrong on virtually every foreign policy position he has taken over the years, even when he hasn’t actually DONE anything besides sitting on a committee and mugging for the cameras, why would any rational candidate for president name someone with Biden’s pitiful record to be his running mate.  Hillary Clinton wouldn’t have made such a stupid mistake!


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Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 01:51 pm

Poor baby Carrick, loses an argument than starts swearing.  Pretty typical of Carrick when he toddles by.

Typical Democrat!  Can’t actually WIN at anything, but great at crowing about someone else’s purported loss.

Of course, Carrick hasn’t actually lost anything here.  Indeed, reviewing all the commentary over the past few days about Sarah Palin, its obvious that Carrick is correct.

Bat One on September 7, 2008 at 11:13 am

You aren’t qualified to pontificate as to who won or lost.
Your lack of fair and balnced qualifications to judge people with different political views are blatantly obvious and sorely lacking, as you have proven time and again that you are a right wing hack.
As to your attitude on your purported and freely flaunted (by you) knowlege on various subjects, I would say it is elitist, and vastly overblown to say the least. They are true only in your mind.

May the Lord bless you and give you the humility which you so desperately need.

ellinas on September 7, 2008 at 04:23 pm

May the Lord bless you and give you the humility which you so desperately need.

ellinas steps in to administer a healthy slap. hee hee hee.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:40 pm

Cheney actually wants the US to WIN in it’s confrontations with those who oppose religious, political, and economic freedom, whereas those on the Left oppose such ambitions and are far more inclined to lower the US to the rest of the world’s less lofty standards.

Then why does he get down on his knees and perform fellatio on the Saudi Wahabbist Death Culting maniacs? THey oppose freedom, of any sort, and fund terrorism, of the sort that caused 9/11.

Get out your rhetorical shoe horn and extricate your head from cheney’s asscrack.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:44 pm

Sarah flippity flopped on the “bridge to nowhere, when she first called it the bridge to prosperity”.

“This link is a commitment to help Ketchikan expand its access, to help this community prosper.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug31/0,4670,CVNBridgetoNowhere,00.html


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Hannitized on September 7, 2008 at 04:48 pm

Sparkie:

ellinas steps in to administer a healthy slap. hee hee hee.

So Sparkie is Ellinas’s lap dog now?

Who knew?

Sparkie you don’t know shit, but that’s all you talk.  Ain’t that a coincidence.

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 07:50 pm

Ellinas, false praise from Sparkie aside, neither you nor Puzzle were following the multithreaded discussion well enough to know that I hadn’t lost a thing, just that RBB with his short term memory problem had lost track of the argument as usual....

Bat One was merely stating that very defendable fact.  And that isn’t a sign of arrogance, but of just certainty of knowledge.

Carrick on September 7, 2008 at 07:53 pm

...just certainty of knowledge.

This is far beyond their pay grade, Carrick!  None of the lying lefties on this blog have the slightest idea what that means.  All they have is desperate belief in their Marxist talking points.


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 07:58 pm

You aren’t qualified to pontificate as to who won or lost.  Your lack of fair and balnced qualifications to judge people with different political views are blatantly obvious and sorely lacking…

My goodness, ellinas!  You are going to lecture me about fair and balanced?  That’s just about the funniest thing I’ve read since you suggested that you would kick Carrick’s ass a couple weeks ago.

In the first place, I haven’t suggested I was being “fair and balanced"… merely that I am Right (although I love the irony of you choosing that particular phrase with which to vent you frustration - apparently the influence of Fox News extends much farther than some on the Left would like to admit!)

Second, next to Hannitized, you are about the last person here qualified to sit in judgment of anyone else’s fairness or balanced viewpoint.

This, on the other hand, is amusing:

As to your attitude on your purported and freely flaunted (by you) knowlege on various subjects, I would say it is elitist, and vastly overblown to say the least.

The “various subjects” I choose to post or comment on are most often those of which I have knowledge and a keen interest.  I’ve found that restricting myself in such a manner cuts down on the errors and the necessity for apologies, though I always try to apologize quickly for my mistakes.

Problem is, you haven’t been able to come across any lately, so, being the entirely predictable liberal, you fallback on a person