North Dakota Has The Fewest Number Of Self-Identified Gays In The Nation

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I posted this earlier today in the headlines. According to Gallup, North Dakota has the lowest percentage in the nation of citizens identifying themselves as gay, lesbian or transgendered.

PRINCETON, NJ — The percentage of U.S. adults who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) ranges from 1.7% in North Dakota to 5.1% in Hawaii and 10% in the District of Columbia, according to Gallup surveys conducted from June-December 2012. Residents in the District of Columbia were most likely to identify as LGBT (10%). Among states, the highest percentage was in Hawaii (5.1%) and the lowest in North Dakota (1.7%), but all states are within two percentage points of the nationwide average of 3.5%.

The problem with a number like this is, do we have a low number because there just aren’t a lot of gays in the state? Or because gays/lesbians/transgendered people sense hostility toward them in the state and are afraid to be open about who they are?

I’m not sure that’s something we can quantify, but I think the latter is probably true for a lot of gays in the state.

One of the arguments in favor of a bill which would have added gays to the list of classes protected from discrimination was that North Dakota has a reputation for being hostile to gays. I opposed that bill, because I object to creating classes of people with special protections under the law, but I can’t argue with the view of North Dakota as being an unfriendly place for homosexuals.

That’s something North Dakota should be ashamed of.

We need a bit more “live and let live” in this state.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • headward

    Meh. It’s just like when the studies that come out that there isn’t many blacks in ND.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Maybe, but anyone claiming there isn’t hostility toward gays in North Dakota is dreaming.

      There’s plenty. As a conservative outspoken in favor of gay rights, I hear a lot of it.

      • dlao

        There is hostility towards Christians, hostility towards Jews, hostility towards atheists, hostility towards married people, hostility towards ugly people, hostility towards beautiful people, hostility towards fat people, hostility towards skinny people, hostility towards left handers, and if there were blue people there would be hostility towards them too. What is your point?

        • noblindersonme

          What’s YOUR point ? dloa . Because you listed an impressive list of people who are prejudiced , people who hate so many diifferent than themselves , are you implying then it is OK for gay hostility to exist because oh-so-much of it exists elsewhere?
          Don’t guys like you even bother to think things out before you punch up you stupid comments!!
          Arn’t you really describing a nation that is full of hostility??? Or are you proud of that!!!!
          How many of those sterotypes are you do hate dloa?
          My point ! and I believe it was Rob’s point too , is that ANY hostility towards any group is wrong!
          btw , I, and most everyone I know do not harbor any of those hostilities you listed . You should try it.
          I do hate individual stupid people though . can’t fix stupid I guess.

          • dlao

            My point is there is hostility towards everyone in this country by someone. And then I ask, are you special because you are gay? People like you seem to think so. And you are right, We can’t fix your stupidness because that went completely right over your head. And now to make it simple for you, if you want to be gay, go right ahead, knock yourself out, party on, have a good time, enjoy life. I just don’t think we need to provide you with special rules because your gay. Do you support legislation giving those groups I listed special favors?

          • Rocky

            If you want to know why gays should get special treatment compared to any other group, the answer is simple though it will disappoint you. It’s completely arbitrary and emotional. People just cling to that belief even it is not supported by any logical, scientific reasoning. I warned you that it would be disappointing.

            Note to anyone who cares: This is not a commentary on whether homosexuality is good or bad. It is an observation on what passes for critical thinking these days.

          • dlao

            and thanks for putting your hostility towards people like me on full display for eveyone to see. Good job, way to make your point.

      • headward

        Well most gays are good people but a few ruin it for the bunch since there isn’t too many of them. Take the couple with the Fargo golf course. They just wanted to cause problems and get attention. I would say that would piss off a few people.

        • noblindersonme

          headward – you got proof that that gay couple just wanted to cause problems ?? I thought they just wanted to save money and play golf!!!
          Seems very republican /conservative to me!
          not having proof of your allegations kinda pisses people off!

          • dlao

            here’s proof, why was it not a story when all the couples co habitating were denied the family rate?

          • headward

            Proof would be that they went to the media instead of the park board. A park board member didn’t hear about this complaint and try to work something out.

        • dakotacyr

          so says you. They should just stay quiet and don’t make waves. Who are these people anyway trying to be a family just like any other family. How dare they?

      • slackwarerobert

        But the constitution only protects you from government discrimination. an individual can dislike you till the pope quits. If you are unsafe, blame obama for banning the palm gun, with it you could fist to your hearts content and not disarm.

      • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

        North Dakotans are against special rights for gays.

        Try to understand that’s not the same as being hostile to homosexuals.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          It’s hard not to believe that’s hostile to homosexuals when you define “special rights” as not allowing them to marry like everyone else.

          • slackwarerobert

            They can marry like everyone else. How do you think they get kids?

          • HG

            They can. They can marry just like everyone else. All of us can marry one person of the opposite sex.
            Didn’t you vote against that bill? Then by your own measure, wouldn’t that make your opposition to the bill believably hostile?
            I wish you could hear how absolutely ridiculous your arguments against marriage really are.
            Pretending the meaning of marriage is so insignificant that it should be redefined just to make a completely different union the same is absurd. It doesn’t make a same sex union a marriage any more then a man declaring himself female make him a woman.

            In CA they are now forcing schools to ignore the natural differences between male and female so that a boy can use the girl’s bathroom. All because he thinks he’s a girl. This is just plain madness.

  • Rocky

    All conjecture and bluster. If they’re proud (as they say they are), they need to prove it by identifying themselves.

    • slackwarerobert

      Well the L part of the lbgt anyways, and then only the good looking ones. The rest of the freaks can just hang out at barny franks bordello out of sight.

      But outing gun owners in NYC, that is just fine right?

      • KJUU

        So, using select women for your purposes is a moral imperative. From God? Or from you?

        • slackwarerobert

          Neither, I just like to look at nakid women that arent ugly sometimes.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      So they can make themselves vulnerable to ridicule?

      Why should they have to? Why can’t they just live their lives like the rest of us?

      • Rocky

        They don’t have to, especially if they’re really not proud.

        • dakotacyr

          Prove you’re hetero.

          • slackwarerobert

            I guess I could put the proof as my logo, but that might get the gays too excited. Besides I don’t know which female has that picture anymore. Got a great one to prove i’m not gay though, bent over the throne like that would be to tempting for them to refuse.

    • dakotacyr

      Hey, Rocky, why don’t we mark them with a specific letter, that way you will know who they are and you can avoid them.

      • Rocky

        It doesn’t mean two $hit$ to me if they come out or not. If they want to be counted, they will. They have freedom of choice. Rob is the one who was whining about it.

        • dakotacyr

          you are the one who said they need to “prove” it You’re the one with the ID problem. You prove you’re hetero

      • slackwarerobert

        If he can’t figure it out as he stares at the big red ‘O’ with the arrow is pointing the wrong way by now …..

  • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

    Who should be forced to pay the cost of these “gay rights?”

    • tomorrowclear

      Who should be forced to pay for the “civil rights” to desegregate the South? That ain’t fair!!!

      • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

        Who gets to decide what “fair” means?

        • Dave

          The white heterosexual males like always, the way it should be.

        • noblindersonme

          typical flanagan post. A smart ass question ! Why don’t YOU ever further any discussion with well thought out ANSWERS! Kev -who do YOU think should decide what ‘fair’ is!
          Who gets to decide? Well for starters in a democracy , the outcome of an ELECTION kinda determines how the citizenry feels about these things! and when the election is over our representatives ‘decide’ some of these issues! and when the issues are still murky, kev, there are courts that quibble over the details . and new elections are always due where we can judge what those representatives did. Oh how about attendence at your church, you know, the place where morality is judged on the ultimate level.
          or you can, Kev, just sit back in your me-only world and punch up on a computer screen and pontificate without ever ever bumping into any truths.
          kev -who gets to decide? Maybe the doers and the problem solvers and the folks on the front lines get first crack at it ! Why don’t YOU run for an office , you seem to always have all the right answers.

          • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

            The USA is not a democracy. You want mob rule.

          • headward

            Kevin should get some laws protecting him from this hostile commenter.

          • headward

            There is so much hate in your comments. Why are you so hostile?

          • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

            Mindless name calling is all the free lunch bunch is capable of. They lack any debate skills.

          • dakotacyr

            When have you debated anyone? You spit a line out and run away.

          • tomorrowclear

            In fairness to Kev, he’s a raging moron. I doubt he can help it.

        • ellinas1

          I do.
          Do you have a problem with that?

      • slackwarerobert

        A perfect example of government waste. If they hadn’t spent all that money desegregating the south, we would already have the extra facilities for the overcrowding in schools, washroom facilities for the “others”, more teachers, more fireman, more doctors. Instead they blew the money forcing people to live together when holders people don’t want to live in peace.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Why should they have any fewer rights than the rest of us?

      • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

        They have the same rights as anyone else. What they demand are “special” rights. Homosexual households already have the highest net worth of all households.

        • slackwarerobert

          Of course they are. They don’t have to pay the marriage penalties on their taxes. They don’t have to pay for family insurance coverage. They don’t have to worry about paying a lawyer if they tie a little boy to a fence and kill him for not being gay.

      • slackwarerobert

        What “extra” rights do the rest of us have that gays don’t?

        • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

          Exactly. Having the same rights isn’t good enough. They want extra rights.

    • ellinas1

      You.

      • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

        You do what?

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    Oddly enough, I’m 37 years old and I have yet to fill out any kind of a form that requires me to identify my sexual orientation.

    This number in this survey means very little because there are too many issues with identification of sexual orientation including confusion, lack of samples, and lying. There is also the one that would classify me: “None of your business.”

    It wouldn’t surprise me to find the number quite low in North Dakota, but I also question if the number means anything at all. South Dakota is quite high, at 4.4%, but is the state really that different from North Dakota?

    • Dave

      South Dakota is quite high, at 4.4%, but is the state really that different from North Dakota?

      Yes.

    • slackwarerobert

      But wait, you forget obamacare will post the proctologists records online and they will now know. Somehow I don’t think you can hide that stretched out muscle from an “expert”. I am not gay, I know this because my wife will kill me if I try.

      • dakotacyr

        Right, because only gay males go to proctologists. Well maybe you just hang around your local procto office and you will be able to identify all the gay males in ND. Great idea, slackie, that ought to give you something to do.

        • slackwarerobert

          Hugh??? What part of everyones records go online, so they will know who is and isn’t makes you think only gay people go to a proctologist? You don’t have to hang out in the parking lot, when you can access the info on the internet. They hand out for publication confidential state department communication by the truck load, and now they will be giving away medical records by the millions to anyone who wants them.

  • Chad B

    What a shocker. Another “I love gays” rant by Rob. It’s become almost a daily occurrence. But this time you’re really stretching by taking simple statistical data and twisting it into another chapter of your gay manifesto.

    So be it. You obviously can write anything you want on your own blog. And to be clear, I don’t give a rat’s ass who is poking whom. That’s a matter between consenting adults and their God. But for you to sanctimoniously chastise people with different values than you demonstrates an extreme level of arrogance and intolerance.

    There are many more important issues in the state, the country, and the world. We need to concentrate on the serious problems.

    • slackwarerobert

      Love gays, stretching things, OMG, you are killing me.

    • Zach

      “But for you to sanctimoniously chastise people with different values
      than you demonstrates an extreme level of arrogance and intolerance.”

      Just like 90% of the posters on here.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’d be happy if people like you would stop sanctimoniously chastising gays.

      • slackwarerobert

        I would be happy they stick to their beliefs and end those genes as darwin intended.

    • noblindersonme

      This IS a serious problem Chad! No country that brags as much as our country about it’s moral superiority can ignore any of it’s shortcomings such as this! There is nothing sanctimonous about standing up to prejudice or being INTOLERANT of injustice against the innocent!
      Tell us all Chad, why does this qualify as a ” I love gays’ rant by Rob?
      I remember growing up in the 50s and 60’s and when I heard about folks sticking up for the ‘negroes’ and expressing disgust about their treatment from whites ( blasted by water cannons just because they wanted to go to school Etc.) I heard the retort, “Why? are you a n*gg*r lover”! It seems to me you taking that exact same view .
      You don’t care a rats’ ass about who does who ?? then WHY are you so pissed then!
      Furthermore for asshats like chad who think compassion and fairness is FINITE and any committment to it TAKES AWAY from other aspects our society is full of crap! Fairness to those of different religious , cultural, racial , or sexual preferences does NOT mean energy or $ will be drained from all the other issues that plague and concern us as a nation. Focusing on EVERTHING is what makes America the greatest country, the beacon of Freedom for all . When we don’t do that, we revert back to hateful aspects of our history that we fought so hard to escape. Do you want that Chad ? Then we have more in common with the Taliban . I aspire for something greater than ‘we are toooo busy’ to be concerned with fairness to our citizens!

      • Rocky

        Sexual preference and race have nothing to do with each other.

        • slackwarerobert

          Show me a court decision that says sexual deviants are property and have no rights and I will say they are equivalent. The taliban are the government telling people what to do, this bill was the government telling people what to do, they are the same thing. Rights are protection from the government, not for forcing people to act the way you want them to.

    • HG

      Well these social issues aren’t supposed to matter to liberals or libertarians, so it is rather strange the Rob makes so much of this issue so often.

  • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

    I disagree with the characterization that North Dakota is hostile to gays. As a state we’ve decided to treat them like everyone else, and not grant them rights over and above what everyone else has.

    Referring specifically to the bill that would have created special rights for gays that was turned down. What was remarkable in the debate was that nobody made a credible argument that any such bill was necessary. Now Rob is using the bill that failed for want of a need as proof that we need that bill to show that we are not hostile to gays.

    Circular argument indeed.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’m pretty sure I opposed the bill that was voted down. But I’m also pretty sure my reasons for opposing it weren’t like a lot of people’s.

      And the comments on this blog illustrate perfectly the problem. Gays aren’t thought of as the same by many. They’re reviled and hated.

      Words mean things.

      • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

        People respond when gay activists act badly. They don’t hit, but they do express their displeasure.

      • slackwarerobert

        But not near as bad a Tea Party people. We are reviled and hated by the GOVERNMENT. What constitutional right do you have that forces people to like you? Evil rich people are despised also, should we pass a bill they don’t have to pay taxes so they feel better?

      • HG

        Words do mean things.

        Redefining marriage won’t change how people feel about gays. In fact, doing so will likely add much resentment to the list of feelings toward gays.

  • ec99

    ” the nationwide average of 3.5%.”
    Other studies put it at 2-2.5% Perhaps the 10% Society at UND should consider changing its name to reflect reality.

    • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

      They want to portray the numbers of fancy lads and lassies to be much greater than their actual numbers in order to to secure more in benefits. It’s all about “the benefits.”
      Why doesn’t Boschee recuse himself from this since he stands to personally benefit from it?

      • tomorrowclear

        Brilliant logic, Kev. I take it you also favor barring heterosexuals from voting on issues that would benefit them, like changes to the tax code with regards to marriage and kids?

        • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

          Doesn’t everyone pay taxes, “tomorrowclear?” Aren’t there homosexuals with children?

          • slackwarerobert

            no, there can’t be any children unless they lied to the poor spouse.

      • dakotacyr

        i think thou dost protest too much.

        • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

          What’s the matter; ‘fraid you might like it?

          • dakotacyr

            no, but you certainly are.

          • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

            I have no fear of anyone or anything.

  • sbark

    I think the Legislature should set aside funding for a N.Dak Gay Pride day/ march every Jan 15th in Pembina to show N.Dak’s tolerance

    • slackwarerobert

      I think you should post a bond for for the trash cleanup and disinfecting the streets after your parade. How is forcing taxpayers to pay for your march tolerance? We already bought the firehoses, it shouldn’t cost anything.

  • Slickwilly

    “We need a bit more “live and let live” in this state.”

    No we don’t.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Sigh…

      • dakotacyr

        sigh….

    • slackwarerobert

      Unless you don’t vote for bad laws, then live and let live goes out the window and you get picketed at your home.
      Or you get knocked up.

  • Paul Overby

    There is another way of looking at this — the numbers cited are disproportionately higher in states where there are historical clusters of gay communities. It should be noted, also, that the use of “do you consider yourself to be GLBT” is a pretty open-ended question, but the results were fairly consistent with a CDC sexuality study done a couple of years ago with 50,000 participants. Bottom line — about 1.5-3% of men and 1.5-2.5% of women have consistently, and only, lifetime homosexual preference. Another 3-5% are bisexual, which would be more of a behavior/choice indicator. And another 2-3% identify as Transgender or Transvestite. So, the so-called “10% Society” only exists if you dump all behaviors together, and then throw in the now pc “questioning” category as well. ND’s 1.7% is pretty close to reality.

  • Stuart

    I’m just a guy that enjoys being with a group of men to bond, should I get special privileges for that identification? As far as I’m concerned what you do in your own bedroom is between you and God, but don’t expect me to kowtow to you idea of your god.
    Nor push or proselytize your minority on the Majority and homophobia bait the public and think it has to be accepted and approved of. I don’t approve or accept women being cut in their private areas for the idea they need to be subjected to pain for religious reasons. Nor will you ever get me to accept or approve of painful sex acts or bondage.

    Land owners have rights also which should be part of the big picture. We have already breached those rights of the Constitution. Now I’m wondering if property owners will all have to accept or approve of dangerous marijuuana smoke in Colorado and Washington State. More problems for the tax payer to fund programs. This all is becoming rather snarky ,unnatural ,unhealthy,and demanding. Just for a few.

  • Stuart

    Is homophobia baiting the same tactic as race baiting and equal to the idea that its unfair to be white. Or the idea that whites can not comprehend discrimination or ever be discriminated against themselves?

    Just pondering these slanted, misguided ideas that emerge from intellectual disorder which lead to perversion!

  • Stuart

    If I was a pastor and had a love for more than one woman and had a strong urge to cheat on my wife, could that be a sexual sin problem or just part of my biological make up by which I have no control?. And could be this proclivity be considered by the minority as acceptable and worthy of certain rights?

    More pondering on biological make up. So anything can be related to the idea that I was unfortunate to be made that way? This is not an act of volition?

    I need to have more of this biological discussion on this site and examples that deserve addressing.

    • Lianne

      You bring a good point to the disccusion. Should that pastor then be protected from being quietly moved to another parish, euphemistic firing for his transgression.

  • Yogibare

    Consider: Let’s say you are a person of oriental race and live in ND, and you are looking for a mate/spouse of oriental race: what are your possibilities in ND of finding a selection? Pretty slim? Yes, for sure.
    So what are your options? Move to Los Angeles or San Francisco? A pretty likely thing to do.
    GLBT? Options in ND? Pretty limited one would allow. So, move to D.C. or the mentioned cities LA or SanFran.
    I see this demographic having more to do with availability of “like kind” than it does about discrimination.

    • slackwarerobert

      What is wrong with mail order? Why not start a ND-fudgsicles.com dating site? What does the law have to do with you finding someone to get your rocks off with? If you think moving the LA, San Fran, or anywhere in commifornia is an option you need mental health laws to allow you to be committed against your will, you are crazy.

  • Stuart

    Stuart to Lianne.

    Now each Congregation has their own DOGMA in fact we all have our own DOGMA whether we stubbornly don’t want admit it our do. Some use emotion,while others have a doctrinal format they stick solidly or adhere to in their churches or philosophies.
    Some don’t want to offend so that is part of their dogma. Others will claim their gospel or dogma does offend non-believers.

    So even in a civil discussion it’s not always easy to decern where people are coming from. Especially if they are judgemental of other dogmas and not their own. So pin pointing the substance and foundations are often difficult. Truth can be arrived at if the discussion is civil,solid in its rules and boundaries and not irrational.

  • fredlave

    The Gallup survey must have come as a shock to the Forum and some members of the ND Democratic party. For a disproportionately small group of North Dakotans they do make a lot of noise. The assumption that they are an oppressed minority and therefore entitled to special consideration under law in iniquitous to our democracy. Actually, judging by the way opponents of Proposition 8 in California behaved toward proponents, homosexuals were vicious in their attacks on anyone who spoke in favor of Prop 8. The tolerance they begged for over the years was not extended to anyone who disagreed with them
    That being said, please do not call me homophobic. I’m just not homophilc.

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