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Sunday, February 19, 2006

No Life From Hot Pond Scum?

Here is an article, "Study pours cold water on Darwin's theory," that may excite Darwin apologists.

Supposedly...

The idea that the origin of life might be traced to ponds warmed by volcanic heat, or around underwater hydrothermal vents, was first put forward by Charles Darwin in a letter in 1871, and the theory became accepted as one of the most likely explanations


However...

An experiment to recreate the conditions in which life began has revealed that the hot, acidic, clay-filled waters that had been proposed as prime candidates are probably incapable of mixing organic matter in the right way.


It seems that hot acidic waters containing clay do not provide the right conditions for chemicals to assemble themselves into 'pioneer organisms'."


But there is still hope...

that life is more likely to have emerged in shallow, cooler pools of fresh water. These would have been of neutral pH, with a less intense heat source, and the water would have evaporated frequently, concentrating organic material.


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Back in college I learned that life came from beer.

The.Whistler on February 19, 2006 at 08:46 am
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No life from hot pond scum?

You have not been to Washington lately, have you? 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 08:56 am
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Oh Mr. Bailey...you crack me up.


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Rob on February 19, 2006 at 08:56 am
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Rob, you made me lose my bet.

I had a bet with a friend that’s over at my place that a certain individual would be the first to get back with a reference to Bush as pond scum.   I lost!   Thanks a lot. 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 09:03 am
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Article kind of left me in suspense… Did we make it?  If they can’t figure out how we got here, did we really get here? At this point in my life it would be a real shame if it all turned out to be a figment of my imagination.

HD Wanderer on February 19, 2006 at 11:05 am
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Wow, the intelligent designers are still at it.  I think that the judge in the Dover decision wrote a terrific opinion addressing and the IDers will have to come with another plan of attack which no doubt they will.  But for now they are going back to the drawing board. 

Love My ND on February 19, 2006 at 11:43 am
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It may be fairly difficult to duplicate the environment on earth when basic life structures formed from molecules of amino acids, acidic water, clay, and  heat. Some scientists have put forth the theory that at one time there was no oxygen on earth. If primitive life structures formed in this enivironment(oxygenless) and then mutated to an oxygen environment, it would be impossible to reproduce that in nature, maybe in a lab. Also, some scientists also have stated that the actual gas composition(oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen..etc) of the atmosphere on earth changes in time. How would the changing composition of the earth’s atmosphere effect the development of primitive life? This may long remain just a theory as to where, when, and how life started on earth.

Personally, I think I am leaning to the Louie Farrakhan "Mothership" theory. After all, how did people like Louie, Jesse Jackson,  er...ummm.. hold on a minute, I think I am cycling back to the ole "pond scum" theory 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 12:10 pm
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As someone who believes in creation in some form (I won’t rule out God using some form of evolution) I find the article humorous. I don’t feel the need to know how God created the universe, I just take it on faith that he did. I find it humorous when scientists find out something about evolution they took on faith doesn’t work like they think it should. I love irony. 

Forgive me if I missed a typing error, my daughter is sitting in my lap "helping" me type.

HD Wanderer on February 19, 2006 at 01:04 pm
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Beer is the staff of life!…

Zsa Zsa on February 19, 2006 at 03:30 pm
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docdave,

I have read articles by scientists on the same subject. And your are right  that none have an explanation for T=0 in the natural world as it relates to the big bang theory. The explanation put forth in the article stated that physicists can not get any closer than T=1x10 to the -43rd of a second going back toward the big bang. One of his points in the article was that if you get this close to the big bang in the natural world, do you have a melding of the natural with the super-natural going backard in time as you leave T=1x10 to the -43rd going to T=0. The scientist stated there were many in the scientific community that believed a creation event happened that they can’t explain.  A scientist who claims that sliver of from t=0 to the point where natural physics starts to apply is irrelevent needs to change the batteries in his calculator. 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 03:35 pm
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ZZ,

Personally, I really prefer to talk about beer also. 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 03:38 pm
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Mmmmmm beer… I love beer super dooper cold. One of my favorite beers is Miller lite. When I am in Mexico I love Tecate with lime best! Pearl lite is one of those lone star beers that is really good too! AND it has 68 calories per bottle. Mmmmm beer!

Zsa Zsa on February 19, 2006 at 03:58 pm
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Once again we are back to my base question.  How do you know God is not using evolution to create the world? Just one piece of physical evidence. That is all I am asking for.  Well? What’s the problem? Lets us hear it! Prove to me God is NOT using evolution to create the world.I am waiting.

2Hotel9 on February 19, 2006 at 04:08 pm
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You sound like Homer Simpson… Mnnnnnnn beer.

Yeah, those babies have to be good and cold, fresh out of an icy tub or chest.

You crack it open, take that first taste on a warm or hot day. Feel that tingle from the carbonation as it hits your mouth and throat. Feels so good as it cools you off as it gushes down the gullet to the tummy. You taste those eleven herbs and spicies...take that back ..that’s the chicken you eat at the picnic with the beer.

Yes, beer be good. 

 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 04:12 pm
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Doc,… It all depends on what vat of beer we are talking about?

Zsa Zsa on February 19, 2006 at 04:12 pm
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I think everyone has a little Homer in them…

Zsa Zsa on February 19, 2006 at 04:15 pm
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Rob,

I just noticed. Your comment clock is slow by about 10 minutes.

I put up my last post at 8:20pm EST. Your comment clock registered 7:11PM CST.

Picky, picky, picky. 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 04:16 pm
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Thanks docdave, I’ll check it out. Do you have a German background?

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 04:24 pm
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Once again we are back to my base question.  How do you know God is not using evolution to create the world?

I think God’s using evolution.  On the other hand I don’t think God left any fingerprints for us to find.  God’s about believing in not proof of his existance. 

My reason for believing in God directing evolution?  I don’t think anything this wonderful could just happen. 

 

 

The.Whistler on February 19, 2006 at 04:40 pm
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The.Whistler,

I agree with you. I don’t think creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive. I think you can accept super natural and natural theories about our life and existence. Yes, life is good, probably spend too much time over-enjoying it every day. 

 

 

Eneils Bailey on February 19, 2006 at 04:58 pm
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In the beginning… Genesis has some cool answers to that question. I like believing that and ignoring the theories. Has anyone ever seen the movie The Bible? I belive John Houston directed and starred in it?? I know he at least played Noah. It is a great movie!

Zsa Zsa on February 19, 2006 at 04:59 pm
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exactly.

The.Whistler on February 19, 2006 at 05:53 pm
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Guys, I am not putting that question to you believers. It is a moot point to you. I pose it to the non-believers. They never answer, or responde with some glib, hocus-pocus nonsense from Frued or Nitsche. As to the topic line, Hot pond scum are some of my favorite people. They always have the best party favors and look excellent in next to nothing. Throw in some cold beer, YUM!!!

2Hotel9 on February 19, 2006 at 06:25 pm
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Actually the life from a pond thing was pure speculation on Darwin’s part, and has nothing to do with his natural selection mechanism. That aside, I’m pretty much in the same place Whistler is. I describe faith as belief plus trust.  How can you have faith in something that does not require, well, a leap of faith to believe in?

Carrick on February 19, 2006 at 07:17 pm
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Honestly, I haven’t read the Bible all the way through. Every time I try… there is a place where the begats begot me and I get too antsy! Hope that won’t prevent me from getting into heaven?? I went to a Bible study one time. One of the ladies told me that the Lord told her I wasn’t saved and I was going to Hell. I think she is pond scum!

Zsa Zsa on February 20, 2006 at 02:40 am
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2Hotel9 asks, Guys, I am not putting that question to you believers. It is a moot point to you. I pose it to the non-believers. They never answer, or responde with some glib, hocus-pocus nonsense from Frued or Nitsche.

I am a non-believer and my answer to your question is: I don’t know. None of us do. I’m open to any possibility though. Life is pretty weird and I’ve already seen and experienced a hell of a lot (I know that I am young here so I’ll say that I am not referring to life experience or age when I say that). Hardly anything would surprise me.

I hope some kind of afterlife is true though,...I want to spite the condescending asshole atheists out there. (You know who you are. There are a few of you here.)

likwidshoe on February 20, 2006 at 03:37 am
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2Hotel9:

How do you know God is not using evolution to create the world?

That is my belief—going all the way back to the original flash of light that brought everything we know and can "see" (equals observe and can verify) into existence. I guess that makes me an intelligence design advocate. Like Whistler, I just see too much beauty and order to think that it’s all just one big cosmic accident. (Replace "accident" with something a bit more scatological if you prefer.)

Carrick on February 20, 2006 at 04:12 am
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Like Whistler, I just see too much beauty and order to think that it’s all just one big cosmic accident.

Have you seen a picture of me by chance? Has to be a Godly design…

wink

likwidshoe on February 20, 2006 at 04:18 am
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