No, Health Care Really Isn’t A Human Right

Proof • September 14, 2009

But that’s an argument you hear the left make quite a bit. Most recently, state Senator Tony Fiebiger wrote in the Fargo Forum that health care is a “right, not a privilege.” According to something he’s calling the “Universal Declaration of Rights.”

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that all human beings have the right to “medical care,” and this right must be respected without discrimination. As a member of the United Nations, our country has committed to protect the “right to health” as a signatory to the American Declaration on the Rights of Man. …
This debate is about more than health care. It is about how we value our fellow Americans. Let’s reject a health care future for our children fueled by misinformation and fear. Let’s stand up tall for ourselves, those without a voice, and all our neighbors coast to coast. Let’s tell our representatives in Washington, D.C., that in the greatest country in the world, everyone deserves health care – because it is a human right, not a privilege.

The problem is that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and all the nonsense the United Nations routinely comes out with, aren’t American law. What is American law is the Constitution, which states nothing about health care. And the guiding principle of our country is “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Note that statement doesn’t specifically guarantee happiness but rather your ability to pursue it.
The problem with a lot of liberals is that they seem to think that everything they want is a right, and that rights mean that other people have a responsibility to help you exercise that right. All rights mean is opportunity. Free speech means you have the opportunity to speak out, not that someone has to give you a platform to speak from. Free religion means you have a right to believe (or not believe) as you wish. Not that someone has to subsidize your beliefs.
Gun rights mean you have the opportunity to own guns. Not that people have to buy guns for you so you can exercise those rights.
Health care is not a right, but even if it were it still wouldn’t mean that the rest of society has the resopnsibility to provide it to you. You have the freedom to be prosperous and care for yourself.

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http://Array munhasen

As you noted in your article, the Constitution states that life is a basic right. Without health care our ability to sustain that life is jeopardized.
robert108

There is health care without govt control of that market. That’s the error in your reasoning. Taxpayer funded healthcare is not a Constitutional right.
http://Array FedUp

I think my right to keep what I earn tops the gubmint giving it to someone else! Now, all we have to do is remind BO and CONgress of that fact!
waterjoe

The problem is that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and all the nonsense the United Nations routinely comes out with, aren’t American law. What is American law is the Constitution, which states nothing about health care. And the guiding principle of our country is “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

That line is from the Declaration of Independence, which, like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, also is not American law.
jimmypop

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

cool! i and my pals have some amendments to this doc….
http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

Since Fiebiger is a shyster, you would think he would be familiar with the Bill of Rights.
EnigmaCypher

Damn right. If these people are so up in arms about the ‘right’ to health care then how come they aren’t giving as much of their money as possible to other people so that they can get health care before they demand that we do the same with out tax dollars?
Hank

Folks who are pro-healthcare often say “other rich countries provide health care” etc etc. Good for them…why don’t we let them pay for our prescriptions? I buy Canadian drugs online and it’s way cheaper! Thanks socialist Canadians!

Seriously though, if we make healthcare a “human right” then we’re going to be in worse than Canada then WE’LL be the ones funding other nations… where does it end?
2Hotel9

Who is going to enforce slavery on doctors and nurses? Anyone stepping up to the plate on that? Because that is what will have to be done. Free healthcare means doctors and nurses etc etc will be required to work for free. For the “good” of all people.

So, who is going to enforce slavery on doctors? And what kind of medical care will they provide?
2Hotel9

Oh, and no. Healthcare/medical care is not a “right”. You have a right to go to a doctor, and he has the right to charge for his services/materials. Oop, there it is.
Jackass Jimmy

Amazing how libtards can “hate” slavery, but have no problem imposing slavery on others by declaring entitlements to others’ resources and time as rights.

I guess slavery’s okay if you’ve got a political career to prop up…
Zoey

The closest thing to health care that they had in the 1700s was amputations and liquor for the pain. Insurance didn’t even exist until the past century.

On another note, did any realize that Americans Pay For Iraq and Afghanistan’s universal healthcare coverage? http://www.blogcdn.com/www.gadling.com/media/2007/07/healthcareworldbig.jpg
There’s an infographic for you.
So we can afford to pay for their health care, but not our own? We’d rather treat our own people as less? A foreign country deserves our money to pay for their health care over our own?

Has anyone noticed that we can add amendments to the constitution for a reason? Times change. It shouldn’t be in question that every person deserves the same treatment. We shouldn’t need to make it a right. Just because you have more money does not mean that you should be offered better health than others. Health is not like a restaurant. These are human beings lives. I’m saddened to see how at least America has boiled down to not caring about anyone but themselves. Not making health care affordable and running it as a business is shameful and should be looked down upon. My family even has seen and been through much that even left one of my family members in danger all for the sake of money. What a new low people.
2Hotel9

That is what it all comes down to, for each dollar collected in taxes only 10 cents goes to the actual, Constitutional purposes. The other 90 cents is stolen. Now Barri and the Democrats want to take 98 cents and leave 2 for the purposes taxes are collected.
2Hotel9

You want socialism. You need to go where socialism already exists and fuck off, you anti-American piece of shit.
Easy Target

“Health care is not a right, but even if it were it still wouldn’t mean that the rest of society has the resopnsibility to provide it to you. You have the freedom to be prosperous and care for yourself.”

Let me guess… You’re in the ranks of the well to do middle class. White. Male. Privelaged. American???
You know not everyone in the US is as advantaged as we white males. being prosperous is not as simple as you make it sound.
2Hotel9

If you feel guilty you pay for it. Otherwise you are just another socialist asshole, stealing other people’s money for your sickassed, anti-human ideology.
Zoey

Oh no. Not back to the “I can’t make an argument so I’m gonna call you anti-America” again. Look, Obama was elected in, there’s nothing that you can do about it. There’s nothing that’s going to change him into being Republican or at least switch to more conservative views. He got elected because of his values. That makes it a little more obvious to me that people like his way of handling health care, because that’s what ultimately got him elected. I remember that’s all that people would talk about. I don’t even think that McCain would argue that something needs to be done. He still talked about health care during elections even though it might not have been exactly how Obama wanted to do it.

The reason we’re given the right to vote and change our President is because America would become stale and monarchy/dictatorship is worse than anything you could ever come up with. We’re given this right so that the people can choose how they want America to be for the next 4 years and install things for future generations that possibly could’ve only been done by the leadership of another person. They get a maximum of 8 years to instill upon the people how they want things to be. The majority speaks every 4 years. Look at the Senate and Congress. They’re mostly democrat too. That should tell you something.

You can’t just go and say if you don’t like America, then just leave it. I haven’t once said that I hated America. Yeah, I would say would could change a few things, but until this country falls apart, why leave? I just care about humans. Lives. If the pro-life people would care about being pro-life not only to an unborn fetus, but to at least our own American people. If we can support two other country’s health care systems, why not our own? That doesn’t seem Anti-American. Isn’t it a big fight on the other side that illegals are gonna take all of our money? Don’t worry about that, it was already set forth that non-American citizens get health care in a foreign country over our own family members and let alone the children. Their immunization percentages of their children are even higher than in America.

I just see that American people deserve to be treated like equals and not inferiors. It’s disheartening to see that we can’t offer aid to our own people in need.

“I’m middle class and reasonably well-off now because I got a job and worked hard.” – Rob

That’s good that you found a job. A lot of places aren’t hurt as much from the economic downturn that we took. I know Texas for sure was a little easier to find jobs. The only thing is that I have friends from all around the country from California all the way over to New York. I’ve known people especially that live in cities having to move in with family members due to the lack of jobs. So you can’t base everyone’s worth or how hard the are willing or do work just on how much money they have.

“I wish others would do the same instead of wanting to mooch off my prosperity.” – Rob

I know that I work hard. My husband works hard. Even my family has worked their ass off to make their company what it is today and just now can somewhat afford the insurance they have offered to keep me on. I can’t afford health insurance. Even if I had health insurance, I probably couldn’t afford to go to a doctor that much. I’ve been to the doctor’s office for a physical once in the past 2 years and that was when we first got our insurance. This is a whole other story though.

My point is that you can’t say others aren’t working their share. Maybe just because they don’t have a college degree doesn’t make them lazy. They fact that they don’t have as much money as you doesn’t make them anymore lazy. Minimum wage in a lot of places isn’t enough. Lets not forget people’s culture and beliefs. Some women don’t work because of this reason.

I don’t like seeing people equate others’ worthiness due to money. Currency is such a small indicator of what a person is. If I gave you just a dollar amount and a name, you probably couldn’t tell me anything about them. That leads me to think of how you could possibly consider someone lazy and not hardworking just based on that number.
Zoey

“I don’t have a college degree.”
I never really assumed that you did. I was just putting examples out there. I could even put high school degree just for the children that leave school because their parents won’t support them anymore or for the children that must work to help their families.

“Zoey, I think what you need to understand is that making people dependent on the government isn’t helping. Nor is using the government as a tool for wealth redistribution healthy for this country politically or socially.”

You’re not giving your money to these people that you are helping so it wouldn’t be considered “wealth redistribution”. It’s simply just being put towards a greater goal. You put it into a pool so that you and others can have access to the care that you need. That being IF you ever wanted to.

Put all assumptions aside so that I can continue with examples.

Now I’ve thought a lot about both sides, I’m not acting blindly on my decision. I understand a lot about what is going on and my feelings. Being dependent on the government is disability and welfare. I’d also count these as wealth distribution. Though I don’t consider those programs that we have to help people are all that bad. Food stamps is very nice because you know that the money that the person receives goes towards food at least.

If anything you should be against welfare right now because that’s straight up wealth redistribution. They take money from the majority that work and give it to those without jobs and little money. I’m not seeing how lending aid to another human is exactly wealth redistribution. Health shouldn’t have to matter on how much money you have.
2Hotel9

“My point is that you can’t say others aren’t working their share.” If they are living on welfare, by whatever name you socialist scumbags want to call it I can indeed say they are not working their share.

Again, as I told you months ago and this morning, you want socialism you can go where it is already, and fuck off. And yes, you are advocating socialism. That makes you an anti-American scumbag.
Zoey

Hotel, you really don’t bother me. Give me money to buy a house in another country and my ticket away and I might think about it.

You can’t ask me to leave America because you don’t agree with me. That just means that you’re not reasonable.
Zoey

I never even talked to you until this morning. So yeah, I remember.

I pay no attention to people that just hate. I have every right to voice my opinion. Too bad you can’t take that away from me like you so seemingly want to. I don’t respect people that advocate hate.
Zoey

“My point is that you can’t say others aren’t working their share.” If they are living on welfare, by whatever name you socialist scumbags want to call it I can indeed say they are not working their share.

Besides the fact that you have no fight against me other than that I’m all for socialism and I’m anti-American (I love how you know me so much already and you don’t even know who I am), you would understand what I was saying and not just pull some random quote out of one of my very descriptive posts, you would see that I was talking about working people that have less money doesn’t mean that they’re not working their fair share. I don’t agree with welfare. I think that them having food and health care would be more beneficial to those without. It would help them to be more healthy and fit for work.

I have this sneeking feeling that you’ll go back to a previous post that I made stating “Give me money to buy a house in another country and my ticket away and I might think about it.” You’ll most likely try to pin me off saying I’m socialist because of this. No, so that you’ll understand, if I can’t really afford my own insurance, how will I pull off getting enough money to leave this country? Do I have to just because a certain kind of people don’t like me? I never knew that’s what America was all about. Maybe you just think it that way.

You saying such things as “you want socialism you can go where it is already, and fuck off. And yes, you are advocating socialism. That makes you an anti-American scumbag.” I never even once said such rude things. I was actually trying to have a civil conversation. You refuse to do so, and in fact, are looking like a child in the outcome. Do you have nothing but to call me names? You have no fight, so you just resort to rudeness? You don’t own this country, I’m very sorry to inform you. We all do. Every single American. I was born here, why should I have to leave for you?

I’m just hoping that you’re an every day troll.
Jose Chung

Also from the UN Declaration of Human Rights:
“These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.”
- Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 29, Section 3

In other words, you have the right to do what we allow you to do. Sounds like slavery to me.
2Hotel9

It is not about “agreeing”, honey. You spew socialist crap, you want socialist crap. Go where it is and fuck off, the Majority of Americans have already told you “NO, WE DON”T WANT YOUR SOCIALIST SHIT”. What part of that are you too stupid to understand?

And posting 5-6 paragraphs of blahblah about how much you want everyone else to pay for your life is simply ignorant. Americans don’t want socialism. Period.
2Hotel9

Plain as plain, the UN has no authority to “give” anyone “rights”, or to take away anyone’s “rights”. And they damned well don’t have the ability to do either.
Zoey

Hotel, you are very ignorant yourself. You make yourself look bad and you’re very derogatory.

“And posting 5-6 paragraphs of blahblah about how much you want everyone else to pay for your life is simply ignorant. Americans don’t want socialism. Period.”

I never said that America wanted socialism. I never said that I want socialism. I keep forgetting though that’s your only fight. You can’t come up with anything different.

“It is not about “agreeing”, honey. You spew socialist crap, you want socialist crap. Go where it is and fuck off, the Majority of Americans have already told you “NO, WE DON”T WANT YOUR SOCIALIST SHIT”. What part of that are you too stupid to understand?”

I doubt you’re reading my whole posts anyway. I’m not anywhere near spewing socialist crap. You need to understand what socialism is and then come back to me. We have socialist type programs already stated here in America and we’re not socialist are we? The same attacks that were made when Medicare was coming around.

I also love how you call me stupid when I’m the one putting well thought out ideas together and all you do is just say that I’m for socialism, anti-American, stupid, scumbag, and whatnot. You’re a very disrespectful person. I can see why you side against this. Every person I have shown your posts to, no matter their position on the matter, sees the disrespect and that it’s not needed.

I’m sorry that you’re jealous of me being able to put well thought ideas up and you can’t come up with anything to say. No need to get mad and start spewing hate speech towards a person that you don’t even know.

How was I ever trying to get anyone to agree. I stated “You have no fight, so you just resort to rudeness?” I doubt again that you read the whole thing since you thought it was all about me wanting people to pay for all of my things. That’s just silly by the way. I have a full time job that I work upwards of 50-60 hours in a week. Not only that, but sometimes I even get up to 70 hours. It being a family run very small business, we’re required to put a lot of blood sweat and tears, so to speak, into our jobs. I pay my bills, buy my food, put clothes on my back, gas for my commute. I, in no way, need help with my living expenses. They’re paid for by my paycheck. How can you pin “about how much you want everyone else to pay for your life is simply ignorant” on me is a very good question. Please explain to me when I said that. I don’t believe I ever did.

I don’t ever mind hearing opposing views, but only mature people can talk in a civilized manner. I would say adults, but there are LOTS of adults that haven’t matured past age 5 it seems.

A lot of what I was saying is that you resorted to rudeness when I was just trying to start a plain and simple conversation. That leads me back to… No one has anything to say about how we pay for UHC in Afghanistan and Iraq, but you don’t mind being against a reform to help the American people? You do understand that means that our tax dollars are going to another country well-being and not our own, right? Obama didn’t even do that one. So if we can afford to do that, why don’t we focus on our own country and some other country? That’s not even to say implementing UHC (which you probably have horrifying morals to oppose), but just to do SOMETHING for our own people. It’s sad a care more about Americans than the people that claim to have so much love for America. I have a feeling you’d love it somewhere that the caste system is in affect. That way your status and money are sure to matter. There are no social classes set forth in stone in America, just financial brackets that we have turned into classes.

As for “Go where it is and fuck off, the Majority of Americans have already told you “NO, WE DON”T WANT YOUR SOCIALIST SHIT”"

What are you even talking about? When did I say “All for socialism”? You don’t make any sense. You post to try to be misleading. You can’t kick me out of America, just like a said, because we have opposing views. Maybe some of America doesn’t want UHC because they’re scared shitless now, but how in the hell is going to see a doctor socialist? Health care is not socialist or you would be hating yourself every single time you needed a doctor. You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance which are both still outrageously price and the practices are sometime even sub-par.

You’re argument here is still that I’m a socialist piece of crap. *sigh* How saddening your debate/argument/whatever skills you have are. You wouldn’t last a minute in a serious intellectual conversation as shown here.
Zoey

Hotel, you are very ignorant yourself. You make yourself look bad and you’re very derogatory.

“And posting 5-6 paragraphs of blahblah about how much you want everyone else to pay for your life is simply ignorant. Americans don’t want socialism. Period.”

I never said that America wanted socialism. I never said that I want socialism. I keep forgetting though that’s your only fight. You can’t come up with anything different.

“It is not about “agreeing”, honey. You spew socialist crap, you want socialist crap. Go where it is and fuck off, the Majority of Americans have already told you “NO, WE DON”T WANT YOUR SOCIALIST SHIT”. What part of that are you too stupid to understand?”

I doubt you’re reading my whole posts anyway. I’m not anywhere near spewing socialist crap. You need to understand what socialism is and then come back to me. We have socialist type programs already stated here in America and we’re not socialist are we? The same attacks that were made when Medicare was coming around.

I also love how you call me stupid when I’m the one putting well thought out ideas together and all you do is just say that I’m for socialism, anti-American, stupid, scumbag, and whatnot. You’re a very disrespectful person. I can see why you side against this. Every person I have shown your posts to, no matter their position on the matter, sees the disrespect and that it’s not needed.

I’m sorry that you’re jealous of me being able to put well thought ideas up and you can’t come up with anything to say. No need to get mad and start spewing hate speech towards a person that you don’t even know.

How was I ever trying to get anyone to agree. I stated “You have no fight, so you just resort to rudeness?” I doubt again that you read the whole thing since you thought it was all about me wanting people to pay for all of my things. That’s just silly by the way. I have a full time job that I work upwards of 50-60 hours in a week. Not only that, but sometimes I even get up to 70 hours. It being a family run very small business, we’re required to put a lot of blood sweat and tears, so to speak, into our jobs. I pay my bills, buy my food, put clothes on my back, gas for my commute. I, in no way, need help with my living expenses. They’re paid for by my paycheck. How can you pin “about how much you want everyone else to pay for your life is simply ignorant” on me is a very good question. Please explain to me when I said that. I don’t believe I ever did.

I don’t ever mind hearing opposing views, but only mature people can talk in a civilized manner. I would say adults, but there are LOTS of adults that haven’t matured past age 5 it seems.

A lot of what I was saying is that you resorted to rudeness when I was just trying to start a plain and simple conversation. That leads me back to… No one has anything to say about how we pay for UHC in Afghanistan and Iraq, but you don’t mind being against a reform to help the American people? You do understand that means that our tax dollars are going to another country well-being and not our own, right? Obama didn’t even do that one. So if we can afford to do that, why don’t we focus on our own country and some other country? That’s not even to say implementing UHC (which you probably have horrifying morals to oppose), but just to do SOMETHING for our own people. It’s sad a care more about Americans than the people that claim to have so much love for America. I have a feeling you’d love it somewhere that the caste system is in affect. That way your status and money are sure to matter. There are no social classes set forth in stone in America, just financial brackets that we have turned into classes.

As for “Go where it is and fuck off, the Majority of Americans have already told you “NO, WE DON”T WANT YOUR SOCIALIST SHIT”"

What are you even talking about? When did I say “All for socialism”? You don’t make any sense. You post to try to be misleading. You can’t kick me out of America, just like a said, because we have opposing views. Maybe some of America doesn’t want UHC because they’re scared shitless now, but how in the hell is going to see a doctor socialist? Health care is not socialist or you would be hating yourself every single time you needed a doctor. You need to understand the difference between health care and health insurance which are both still outrageously price and the practices are sometime even sub-par.

You’re argument here is still that I’m a socialist piece of crap. *sigh* How saddening your debate/argument/whatever skills you have are. You wouldn’t last a minute in a serious intellectual conversation as shown here.
Zoey

Weird double post. Said I didn’t get the CAPTCHA right and then posted twice. I apologize for that. I can’t delete though!
This isn’t a duplicate.
To finish my other post up.

“Plain as plain, the UN has no authority to “give” anyone “rights”, or to take away anyone’s “rights”. And they damned well don’t have the ability to do either.”

This thing called human rights, yeah, we have that in America. If we didn’t, slavery would still be legal. I love how you think we don’t have the same offered through American law. Not to mention that health care is a right. They can’t deny you treatment in the ER. It’s just sad to see that patients with cancer get denied treatment because they don’t have the right to insurance. In a since where the have to pay full cost unlike those who are able to afford insurance. So why don’t we make insurance more affordable a better? It’s take a ridiculous person to turn down the fact that your insurance company has to treat you better.

Have you heard of Amnesty International? Human rights are human rights. I’m very sorry to see that you’re against that. We go to war for human rights. I’m beginning to see a clear picture of the kind of person you are.

I doubt that there’s anything I can say to you. I’ll get the same anti-American hate speech over and over with no clear opposing ideas other than the fact that you think that you know me. Come up with something original for once. Think for yourself.

Next post you make that it still anti-American, socialist hate speech I’m going to ignore. It’s not worth my time if you’re not going to put effort into your thoughts and grow up a little bit. I start with respect, but as soon as you lose it, you have to gain it back.
2Hotel9

More blahblah that means nothing, Blahblahblahblah.

Laws don’t give you “rights”, knucklehead. And screeching about how you have the “right” to demand other people pay for your life is socialistic crap. But hey, you are ignoring all the Americans who keep telling you to take your socialism and go fuck off. Imagine that, ignoring the will of the people. You Democrat morons are good at that.
Zoey

“You Democrat morons are good at that.”

I’d be one hell of a democrat for voting another way. You don’t even know me. I’m independent. I don’t vote blindly one way my whole life. I actually way the issues at hand.

“Laws don’t give you “rights”, knucklehead.”

That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. That’s the only way that we have rights, sadly, or else people would take advantage of the fact that there is nothing protecting us. The Constitution, for instance, was laws put forth to

Still your disrespectfulness shines on. I hope you don’t treat your family this way.

“And screeching about how you have the “right” to demand other people pay for your life is socialistic crap.”

This proves you don’t even read my posts.

“But hey, you are ignoring all the Americans who keep telling you to take your socialism and go fuck off. Imagine that, ignoring the will of the people.”

I think the will of the American people spoke when health insurance and health care were targeted in the elections on both major sides being Republican and Democrat (my guess is that McCain is just so socialist too). The majority wants something done and the minority is using scare tactics such as trying to discredit me by saying I’m socialist (I really don’t see it as bad, but you give it a bad name). I don’t claim to even try to change how America is run.

Why aren’t you against Medicare? We’re giving money to old retired folks. Oh wait, you’d probably want that help once you reach 65.

You say the same things. You put no effort into your posts. All you have is hate speech to share with the world. In my honest opinion, and I really hate to say these things, but I think that people that think like you, all filled with hate and not wanting to listen to others, is what’s wrong with the country. This country was made so that people could live in freedom and harmony. Not so that one side can tell the other to get out. Not so that one side could discredit the other and spread hatred.
Zoey

Wow. I was getting ready and totally lost track of my thinking there.

The Constitution, for instance, was laws put forth to protect our rights.**

And…

“I actually way the issues at hand.”
That should be “weigh”.
2Hotel9

Again, since you are such an ignorant, uneducated anti-American moron, laws do not give you “rights”. The Constitution does not give you “rights”, it simply enumerates them.

Now, tell us again how you have the “right” to force other people to pay for everything you want, simply because you want it. That is some funny shit right there.
2Hotel9

Oh, and what keeps you coming back, after saying you were not going to, is self-destructive masochism.
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

Let me guess… You’re in the ranks of the well to do middle class. White. Male. Privelaged. American???

I’m white, and middle class now, but I started life living in a dumpy trailer in Alaska that was so poorly insulated my clothes froze to the back of the closet. And as a young adult starting out I used to have to go to a local bar on “free taco night” to eat because I couldn’t afford a meal.

I was so embarrassed i’d ask for friends to come with and order drinks so I wouldn’t be so obviously mooching.

I’m middle class and reasonably well-off now because I got a job and worked hard.

I wish others would do the same instead of wanting to mooch off my prosperity.
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

My point is that you can’t say others aren’t working their share. Maybe just because they don’t have a college degree doesn’t make them lazy

I don’t have a college degree.

Zoey, I think what you need to understand is that making people dependent on the government isn’t helping. Nor is using the government as a tool for wealth redistribution healthy for this country politically or socially.

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