Newspaper Gets Federal Subpoena For Identifying Information Of Anonymous Commenters On Its Website

Yikes…

On May 26 the Review-Journal published an article about an ongoing federal tax evasion trial. The primary defendant, Las Vegan Robert Kahre, stands accused of tax fraud for using the rather inventive argument that he could pay people in U.S. minted gold and silver coins based on their precious metal value but for tax purposes use their face value, which is many times less.
The story was posted on our Web site. When last I checked nearly 100 comments were appended to it, running the gamut from the lucid to the ludicrous.
This past week the newspaper was served with a grand jury subpoena from the U.S. attorney’s office demanding that we turn over all records pertaining to those postings, including “full name, date of birth, physical address, gender, ZIP code, password prompts, security questions, telephone numbers and other identifiers … the IP address,” et (kitchen sink) cetera.
Tantamount to killing a gnat with an A-bomb.
There was no indication what they were looking for or what crime, if any, was being investigated, just a blanket subpoena for voluminous and detailed records on every private citizen who dared to speak about a federal tax case.

So what are the federal investigators looking for? Apparently some of the commenters were bragging about having evaded taxes. And now the feds want to look into it.
Now, if the feds had merely asked for the information of commenters who had specifically bragged about having evaded their taxes (or committing any other crime) I might go along with this. But the information of every single commenter?
Sounds like overreach to me. Especially when many of the commenters were critical of federal prosecutors. The law is the law, I guess, and law enforcement is tasked with investigating possible crimes. But with all the federal government has on its plate, are internet commenters really who we want to go after? Especially when this appears to be more about prosecutors who got their egos bruised by said internet commenters than any real concern over broken laws?
For some reason this all makes me think of Hamilton and Madison and John Jay writing the federalist papers anonymously. Not that the random bloviators of any given internet comments section are on par with the authors of the federalist papers, but even so.

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  • http://Array Buzz

    Looks like tater is volunteering for a cavity search.

    Hey tater, how do I dispose of bodies? I hear you are good at that also.

    Oh, and what was that FTP for turning your AK full auto? I missed that one.

  • Mickey

    suitepotato-are you related to Max Headroom?

  • 2Hotel9

    Thanks, Tater. All very useful info, no wonder buzzy is so pissed off at you. Keep up the good work.

    As for this subpoena, if they can not show just cause it will not stand. That means the Feds have to prove that crimes ARE being committed by those individuals, else it will get tossed. Fed Prosecutors are having a really bad year so far, they have had their assed handed to them for multiple cases of misconduct and suppression of evidence.

  • Buzz

    going to throw energy bolts around

    Pfft, energy bolt, nigga please…it’s a Kamehameha, OK, get it right. Ka-ma-a-ma-ha.

  • Buzz

    Did they turn it over? I didn’t see in the article what the outcome was.

    Do they have a choice?

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Protection for thee buy not for me?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Kamehameha

    Buzz is our resident expert on the Kamehameha Kamehameha Kamehameha.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I’ve been telling people that they aren’t as anonymous online as they think! Especially if they break the law…

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Heh!

    That is because you are a pussy.

    The newspaper should fight all of it.

    Says the soi dissant jd who never, ever, provides any substantiation for allegations which are actionable under libel and defamation and who posts under an alias!

    Pull the other one, “counsellor”, it has bells on it.

  • Lioncourt

    Now, if the feds had merely asked for the information of commenters who had specifically bragged about having evaded their taxes (or committing any other crime) I might go along with this.

    That is because you are a pussy.

    The newspaper should fight all of it.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    -suitepotato-,

    You waste your time and inconvenience electrons to no purpose by responding to buzzardbreath (the grand kleagle of SAB racists).

    I post under my own name (vice a pseudonym or alias) for a reason. Internet anonymity is largely mythical and even measures such as those you describe can be countered (though not casually or easily). I’ve even had on SAB leftard look me up, but he was too shy to introduce himself.

  • 2Hotel9

    Come on, Tater. You know it can get no more esoteric reference than a cursory google search can turn up.

  • badlands4

    Did they turn it over? I didn’t see in the article what the outcome was.

  • Buzz

    Wow, sound like you have to jump through a few hoops to get to your porno there geekosaurus. And with all that useless knowledge you still only make 40k a year?

    What a mallet-head.

  • HG

    Sounds like a way to keep the feds busy.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Kenny,

    Which made it meet for a post of its own vice a rejoinder to a pig of unreason such as buzzardbreath.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    You waste your time and inconvenience electrons to no purpose by responding to buzzardbreath (the grand kleagle of SAB racists).

    I dont know, Rodney…I found most of that fascinating.

  • Buzz

    I know why now, they can’t stand hearing your endless rambling. I’ll bet you hear this a lot.”shut the fuck up, and get back to work, I don’t give a shit about that IT bullshit, just make it work and get the fuck out of here.”

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    No, not related to Max Headroom nor need you be though having Frewer’s money would be nice at times.

    Does Buzz really think anyone needs any of that to get porn? Poor bastard probably hasn’t heard that the Flash video revolution is there too. There must be over a hundred free sites you can trip over on Google so Buzz has to be extra incompetent to not know that.

    Buzz, do you have personal image issues? You must given that you’ve changed avater to Goku of DBZ going Super Saiyan and all after the others. You’re really in no danger of anyone thinking you either know how to fight or are going to throw energy bolts around. Might want to change it something more your speed like maybe a dandelion or something. That’s bright enough, but not too bright. Just like you union boy.

    Oh well, you’ve been told. If you want to keep thinking you’re in some way impressing me you keep doing that. I’ve been through flame wars on Usenet and you’d have never survived a day of that so whatever B.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    That is because you are a pussy.

    The newspaper should fight all of it.

    If someone were bragging on SAB of having comitted a crime I would gladly turn over the information on that commenter’s ISP, etc. for the sake of the alleged crime being investigated.

    If it were a true crime, and not some fishing expedition by a government bureaucrat with an axe to grind.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    If you want a multip-hop anonymous proxy system that does SOCKS as well as HTTP, try this. Download the plain bundle if you already have Firefox.

    Make sure to enable Tor Button in Firefox if you want everything to go through it.

    If you want non-SOCKS-aware software to network via that, try this. SocksCap will make even some flaky allegedly SOCKS-aware apps work right across Tor instead of the manual settings.

    If you want to use a non-SSL-aware email program with Tor, you need it, SocksCap, and Stunnel.

    Here’s the relevant Stunnel.conf lines:

    [SMTP Gmail]
    accept = 127.0.0.1:25
    connect = smtp.gmail.com:465

    [POP3 Gmail]
    accept = 127.0.0.1:110
    connect = pop.gmail.com:995

    Now you just make sure to run Stunnel.exe from inside SocksCap, it forces the connection across the Tor network, and off you go.

    Why? Because you may have nothing to hide, but it is still your nothing. If you want you privacy, you’re going to have to take steps to maintain it.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    You’re an idiot Buzz.

    1. If you want to dispose of bodies, contact the curators of paleontological collections who use beetles to remove the flesh from bones. They can tell you what sort.

    2. You don’t need FTP, an Internet technology, to make any AK full auto, just go to Paladin Press. The information isn’t illegal, usage is without the proper federal licensing.

    Gunsmithing is child’s play. The real cool stuff is in the theoretical high energy weapons designing because you can also then figure out lateral uses. One of my all time favorites is the Thor system that Jerry Pournelle came up with. With that you can forget JDAMs. It’s like a surgical meteorite strike. It can also be used for mining exploration here and on Mars. Send down a Thor strike, watch the spectral analysis of what gets dusted up.

    Tor, encryption, etc. are all perfectly legal and in fact if it wasn’t for the government, and the need to secure financial transactions among a few other things, encryption would not be as widespread as it is.

    What did you think you were doing when you visit a site prefixed with HTTPS:// huh? SSL. Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure Sockets Layer. Encrypted web traffic. Proxies like many ISPs use to speed up browsing to the most common sites can be yours to use. The government itself constantly tells people to protect themselves online.

    Where in anything I said did I advocate doing anything illegal with it?

    If you wanted to cross the legal line, you’d war drive as some people do and use their insecure wireless net connection to do this proxying. Of course you could do it at a free public wireless hotspot and all anyone might be able to track back is that you were at a McDonald’s when you sent a forum posting about your inane union shill views.

    Is that easy enough for you to understand or do you need me to use smaller words?

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Just for the resident paranoid delusional antisemitic union shill apologist for police states everywhere, some more links.

    Here’s a place you can get encrypting hardware controllers for hard drives. I highly recommend these to any PC consultants who work for medical providers as if you know HIPAA you know what these would be good for. A USB-like key is needed in the controller port or the drive can’t boot because without seeing the arrangement of data on it through the decryption of the controller, it’s garbled nothing.

    Here’s another encryption system of great value. It’s SecureStar’s DriveCrypt product which when used together with the above hardware system creates an absolutely unbreakable multilayer encryption system. Without the key and the passwords, hell no you no go. Also good for medical companies worried about HIPAA and information access abuse from inside or from outside.

    (It’s not for nothing every doc office you know of has or definitely should have a strong firewall and the patient records not connected to it directly but only through another machine that does have net access and is secured with VPN and so on.)

    You can go here to learn about the granddaddy or what many consider to be that for file level encryption in the PC age, PGP. There are official versions and standards compatible freeware/open source versions out there.

    You can learn here about anonymous remailers which can be SOMEWHAT superseded by GMail over a Tor proxied session, but it nonetheless unique in that you have the possibility of posting to Usenet.

    Of course near and dear to me is SSH which I use all the time because it’s more secure than telnet hence most ISPs use it whenever they can for access control in their networks. It can also be used with LDAP authentication so your Windows network user/pass is the same as the SSH one so no jumble of user/pass combos to keep track of. A great feature is TCP forwarding which lets you access services on ports at the client end to get to listening applications at the server end or on other IPs it can reach from there.

    Do you know why people keep inventing more and more of this? It’s because they are afraid that someone will infringe on their privacy. Then big business and government go and fucking make it very real to them by actually trying to do it. Whereas it once took real geek skills to use all this, geeks love creating stuff for regular folks to use so they can show off to non geeks. So they make it point click easy.

    Thanks to that, we will have soon enough a free, distributed file sharing and storage system with multihop blind proxies creating a cloud within which files are stored in little pieces and no user has publicly visible to any of the proxies any complete files and no one can know who put the original file out there the first time. It just propagates.

    Even if the government went out and ran their own servers in the cloud to try to compromise it using traffic analysis, they’d not be able to know end to end where data came from and went to, and not be able to say with any certainty, not enough for burden of evidence levels in American courts, that any given IP address actually belonged at a given time to a specific machine that had the accessible useable entirety of a file.

    So not only recipees, but also illegal and dangerous stuff and terrorist plotting could be used across that very near future P2P system running something like a cross between Tor and BitTorrent. ALL BECAUSE GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS WANTED TO CONTROL AND KNOW EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE DID EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NO GOOD REASON TO AND ALL IT DID WAS SCARE PEOPLE TO REACTING AND ADAPTING.

    Good going government and business geniuses. Do you duck hunt by running through the marsh in a fan boat playing AC/DC at full blast too??? Now the bad guys can use the off the shelf easy to use stuff WITHOUT hiring a geek you could get ahold of and lean on.

    Fucking geniuses…

    If you want really off the wall, wait till wireless is everywhere and proxy hopping is the default and all your wireless connections hop through other wireless points till they get to a larger pipe and so on and finally get to the other end. You’ll be able to send movies in massive parallel across hundred if not thousands of nearby wireless enabled devices from cars to toasters to televisions and so on. Everything will just skip data through itself to the next device until it gets there. That’s like maybe twenty years from now and given progress, that means it will be handled by RFID type tchotchkes that will fit into a single button on your jacket or a small lapel pin and be powered by light and body heat.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    BTW, I’ve been over this before on other blogs AND MY OWN blog suitepotato.blogspot.com many many times.

    None of this is new to the net, only people who never look around beyond their small corner of it.

    If you want to test your limits of what you can take in the way of seeing what humans do to themselves, visit stilemedia.com some time, or visit rotten.com. The human race is genuinely screwed up and not the mentally healthiest. That they produced Immanuel Kant, Epictetus, Plato, Socrates, pyramids, ninjutsu, and yes even that “painter of light” guy from the mall stores is kind of made all the more special when you see what absolute schmucks they can be. Ever see those beheading videos from the Taliban?

    Yeah, so they also make encryption, ATM (that’s the network protocol not the cash machines), nuclear reactors, really good processed cheese, cell phones that play Chopin, and cancer treatments.

    Humans do a humongous number of things and if you pay attention to more than a small place, you might learn from those who went not too long before. Again, I refer you as a for instance to this guy.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    I thought that was Hannah and his Hawaian surfing exploits.

    Buzz, please. I’ve seen every episode right through at least five times. Come up with something more esoteric if you would.

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