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Saturday, January 12, 2008


New York Times: Fred Thompson Is Swaying Voters

Good news for Thompson fans:

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. — John and Ann Berenberk dutifully watched the umpteenth Republican presidential debate on television on Thursday night and had an epiphany. It was about the candidate they had previously referred to as the tall, silent one. Fred D. Thompson.

The last of the candidates to enter the race, Mr. Thompson, 65, a former Tennessee senator, has so far seemed to distinguish himself mainly by a laconic style that has made him almost invisible beside the others on the stage in past debates, the Berenberks said.

“But then last night — we hadn’t even been thinking about him — all of a sudden it was clear he was the one,” said Mr. Berenberk, a retired teacher. “The bluntness, the forcefulness. He was really impressive.”

Whether this was a new Fred Thompson, or just a sign of mirage-inducing campaign fatigue among voters, many people attending Mr. Thompson’s campaign rallies here on the day after the debate reported having similar revelations.

Thompson’s fund raising numbers continue to show a surge as well.  Yesterday I noted that Thompson, since reaching a previously set fund raising goal for South Carolina, had raised another $212,000 since.  In just over 24 hours since that post it would seem as though Thompson has raised another $114,000 by the figures posted on his website.

That’s a lot of money raised since the debate, especially considering that prior to the date it’d taken Thompson about 11 days to raise approximately $540,000.

As the Times article notes, there certainly seems to have been a surge of support for Thompson since his last debate performance.  Those of you who are interested in a Thompson presidency can help keep that surge going by contributing a bit of your own money.

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Ron Paul raised 3.75 million dollars in a single day.  Thompson raises 1/10th of that and you cum in your pants.  Rob, you are a fucking douchebag, you make it a point to rip on Paul (even more than the democrats), yet make a huge deal and post about Thompson’s (your buttbuddy) fundraising, even when it’s dwarfed by Paul’s…..while still dismissing Paul’s supporter’s as loons…

fuck you rob….fuck you

johnpauljones on January 12, 2008 at 11:54 pm
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ron paul is a loon that spews fantasy. PURE AND SIMPLE.

gonzo on January 13, 2008 at 12:03 am
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johnpauljones, Ron Paul may have had a few successful fund raising days but he’s got no mainstream support.  Why?

Because he takes money from Nazis and refuses to take it back.  And for decades he let racist nut jobs write articles for his newsletter.  Those aren’t the hallmarks of good leaders, or anyone we would want running this country.


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Rob on January 13, 2008 at 12:36 am

Ron Paul raised 3.75 million dollars in a single day.  Thompson raises 1/10th of that and you cum in your pants.  Rob, you are a fucking douchebag, you make it a point to rip on Paul (even more than the democrats), yet make a huge deal and post about Thompson’s (your buttbuddy) fundraising, even when it’s dwarfed by Paul’s…..while still dismissing Paul’s supporter’s as loons…

Yet, JPJ, Ron Paul was consistantly behind Thompson in every single poll in every single state, despite outraising and outspending him. Paul is routinely booed at live events. (And no matter what his supporters say, the boos always outnumber the few pathetic cheers.)

So, if voters are taking a new look at Thompson, and he’s gaining recruits, that could mean something. If Thompson takes SC, it could mean he becomes a real candidate and a front runner.

Cause let’s be honest, Huckabee came from nowhere with next to no money. So Thompson could conceivably do the same.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on January 13, 2008 at 12:53 am

paulette, it ain’t about money, it is about leadership and consistent, realistic policies. Luap Nor is a loon, and each time one of you loony paulettes spews more crap you prove he is a loon.


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2Hotel9 on January 13, 2008 at 06:08 am
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Interesting NEW POLLING shows Romney surging in Michigan:

Bunch of new polls out this AM showing Romney either tied with McCain or 5-8 points ahead in Michigan.

The Mason-Dixon Poll also showed the following trends (which I found quite disturbing from the McCain standpoint):

“Romney led McCain by 2 to 1 among voters who ranked the economy and jobs their top concern. He led Huckabee by a slightly greater margin among those voters.

He also led McCain by 2 to 1 among likely voters who called themselves Republicans.

McCain owes his solid standing to independents and Democrats, taking 38 percent of their support, while Huckabee had 22 percent and Romney had 18 percent.”

So, just as in NH, McCain has NO CHANCE unless friggin liberals gets to vote in OUR primary. Honestly, it makes me sick.

Wouldn’t it be sad if the most balanced conservative running (who has a chance of winning) gets knocked from the race because of cross-over liberal voters just voting for the guy they think most likely to lose?

Bill Mitchell on January 13, 2008 at 06:38 am

BMitchell:  Well, duh, thats how elections work… or were you under the impression that Ronald Reagan won on the sole support of conservatives? Keep saying to yourself: “Reagan Democrats, Reagan Democrats…” And remember this; republicans are, have been, and will continue to be, the minority party in virtually every state and across the nation. NO republican can get to the Oval Office without 20% - 25% of democrat cross-overs and independents. If McCain can generate those numbers, then he may well be our man. Which democrat would you prefer to see in the White House over John McCain?


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...fundraising, even when it’s dwarfed by Paul’s…

jpj: You might want to watch the use of “dwarf” and Ron Paul in the same sentence! smile

BTW, your “f you” argument was quite compelling! /sarcasm


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Proof on January 13, 2008 at 07:56 am

Funny, Romney only “surges” in Blue States. Why you think that is?


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2Hotel9 on January 13, 2008 at 07:57 am
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Bill: see if you can find your ass with both hands and post an occasional link to the statistics you cite whether they’re true or not.

For the ADD impaired, one more time:
Your opinion = No link needed.
Sources you cite = Link needed.

(Bill: You can stay after for some additional tutoring if necessary!)


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Proof on January 13, 2008 at 08:00 am
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First off, Ron Paul and his supporters are indeed loons.

Second, as much as I really really really want Thompson as our man, I don’t think it’s going to happen. That ship sailed. He should have come out earlier and stronger. It would have helped with fundraising and recognition. Though I’m still voting for him on Super Tuesday if he hasn’t dropped out.

Third, as much as I hate to say it, I think McCain is the most electable. He’ll capture nearly all of the Republican vote, not to mention do extremely well with independents and cross-overs. And, though it’s only anecdotal, he seems to be really popular with the senior citizens I speak with. McCain is far from ideal, but he’s world’s above Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Paul, and Huckabee. Plus he’s at least on par with Romney and Guiliani (but we all know Guiliani is unelectable). Really, the only way we could do much better is if Thompson got the nod.

Andrew on January 13, 2008 at 10:05 am
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Everyone is always so damn rude to Bill Mitchell. Yea, he doesn’t post links in his comments which can get annoying. But at least he never spams or is verbally abusive. Cut him a break or just ignore his comments. At the end of the day, he still adds more to the discussion than many of the regulars.

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Second, as much as I really really really want Thompson as our man, I don’t think it’s going to happen. That ship sailed. He should have come out earlier and stronger.

If everyone who said something similar to this would just drop their reservations and support Thompson he’d be a shoo-in.  Sadly, the media has trained us to be more concerned with form and style than substance.

Everyone is always so damn rude to Bill Mitchell. Yea, he doesn’t post links in his comments which can get annoying. But at least he never spams or is verbally abusive.

I don’t mind Bill, but I think you’ve missed some of his comments that make others here on SAB treat him so.  Particularly his comments where he called McCain a coward and said that his military record - which includes being tortured by the Vietnamese Communists - was contrived and exaggerated.

He’s toned it down some recently, but in the past his comments were pretty odious.  I think much of the invective you see directed at him now has to do with that.


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Rob on January 13, 2008 at 10:16 am

The John Paul Jones comment at the beginning is a reason why we need to be very careful and determined not to even consider support for the likes of a Ron Paul.  I have over and over and over again said I would vote R no matter who, no matter what.  If it WERE Ron Paul I would have to reconsider my pledge. 

I’m for Huck because I think he’s a better man, a man of Character.  Oh, I get the opposition’s arguments.  We just may not agree on the quality need for conviction and character or in what arenas they should be manifest.

But, I will vote Republican in the fall or my father will rise from the grave and kill me.  (That’s a joke.”)

I would rather live in fear of that remote possibility than live in fear of a real threat issued from the edge of the earth dwellers in Ron Paulville who might really threaten me bodily.

What’s worse, is I have preacher friends who I like and respect who are Ron Paul supporters simply because he’s against the war and not a Democrat.  That’s it.  So they preserve their “Conservative” label and get to vote anti war.

Something is wrong with this picture.  Taxes and Religion seems to be the litmus test for “True Conservatism” this election cycle at least on this blog.  Maybe the real test should be a strong National Defense. 

I don’t think government should do as much as it does domestically, but a strong national defense is one thing they must do.

SO, while I won’t say I live in fear of the Ron Paul Brigade, I do have deep deep concerns about what they mean for the Republican Party and for America.

We might argue about the importance of Faith and Fiscal Policy but at the heart there isn’t that much distance between us.  I would argue that People of Faith are more dedicated to staying on track and voting party no matter.  Our political and moral compass is locked in the ON position. 

Ron Paul Supporters threw that compass thingy over the rail long ago as it appears from my perspective.


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Taxes and Religion seems to be the litmus test for “True Conservatism” this election cycle at least on this blog.  Maybe the real test should be a strong National Defense.

That’s an oversimplification.  Fiscal conservatism goes far beyond taxes and into what are and are not legitimate roles for government.

Property rights.  Individualism.  Government spending.  And yes, even taxes, are all part of the mix.  Huckabee is bad on these issues because he rails against free enterprise, and supports policies like smoking bans which trample property rights and individualism.

Saying that this is about social values vs. taxes is just plain wrong.  It’s about a lot more than that.


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But at least he never spams or is verbally abusive.

Except for when he spams and is verbally abusive! You obviously have only seen Bill’s Greatest Hits!

Everyone is always so damn rude to Bill Mitchell.

Bill Mitchell is a damned rude individual! He often spams his Romney poll statistics in the middle of totally unrelated, totally non-political threads. He has been invited repeatedly, by more than one individual to start a reader blog and say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. He insists on trying to hijack threads at random, typically with Romneyspam.
He consistently fails to provide links to whatever source he spews from, though he has been asked to do that over and over again.

On threads where he stays on topic, I generally do ignore him. But it is rude to come to a discussion and base your argument on a reference source you do not provide links to. He’s either stupid, rude, lazy, incompetent, or all of the above.

And with a little common courtesy, he has the power to change our perception of him, but he continues to choose not to. Bill has earned his reputation over a period of months. He can change anytime he wants to! Respect garners respect.


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