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Good on Fox News for setting the record straight!
I guess the dweebs that say Fox isn’t fair and balanced haven’t the faintest idea what they’re talking about!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

When did facts ever get in the way of the guilty elite, pushing the collectivist agenda?

War Torn Part I “Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles.” by Deborah Sontag and Lizette Alvarez.
Perhaps, in Part II, Deborah Sontag and Lizette Alvarez could utilize the space to apologize for their outlandish propaganda, their atrocious research skills or their inability to perform basic math… or all of the above.

Why is it again that anyone relies on the MSM for accurate information?  Oh, wait, they don’t anymore.

If you own stocks in the MSM, sell now.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Does this surprise anyone?
Smearing our governmental leaders is more important to the NYT than giving our kick-ass troops (and their leaders) credit.

Does anyone doubt where the MSM’s loyalties lie? They blow off [pun intended] Bill Clinton’s mysogeny in the Oval Office, but smear Guiliani for his Long Island visits. They ignore America’s soldiers on the battlefield, but cry ‘Mass Murderers” over a few vets back home. The list goes on and on and on and on…

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

If I had EVER done my job this poorly - presenting one side of an issue without researching or worse, ignoring all aspects of a case - I would have been fired long ago.

What they’ve done here in nothing short of journalistic malfeasance.

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Pilgrim opines:

If I had EVER done my job this poorly - presenting one side of an issue without researching or worse, ignoring all aspects of a case - I would have been fired long ago.

Ah, but you can fire them, sort of… Cancel your subscription (if you have one). 

What they’ve done here in nothing short of journalistic malfeasance.

And this is surprising to you why?

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney,

Not surprising at all. Outrageous, yes. Surprising - no. Their track record relative to objectivity in the past several years is dismal - and growing even more so by the day.

Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

By the way, Rodney makes this point:

Ah, but you can fire them, sort of… Cancel your subscription (if you have one). 

I just cancelled my subscription to Time about a month ago (shortly after they decided that Putin was the man of the year)and my subscription to our local liberal rag, the New Orleans Time-Picayune.

Take a look at my post about the incident in Tijuana if you want to see another case of what is probably malfeasance by omission on the part of our media.

Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

The actual numbers are being emailed to NYT in such a mass that they have apparently shut it down for the moment. I received 3 error messages from their email this morning, usually they are quite prompt in replies.

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I question the DOJ numbers because murder is a generally a state crime and I don’t know why the DOJ would be tracking this.  I also don’t know if states accurately track which convicts are veterans.  Intuitively I would guess that veterans statistics would be pretty close to the statistics of the general population.

So the Dept of Justice has no interest in tracking crime statistics? Is that really your point?

Veterans, on the whole, are far more likely to be law abiding and to exercise greater control over their actions. The fact that a tiny minority of veterans commit violent crimes is an indication that a tiny minority of veterans commit violent crimes. And nothing more.

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Hawk:  The DOJ and the FBI have been collecting and collating state crime statistics for the last 25 years or more.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

According to this study about 515/100,000 veterans commit violent crime compared to 906/100,000 for non-vetreans.  It doesn’t say anything specifically about murder.

It would be interesting to have a more detailed study since the beginning of the gulf war. 

The video does not work so I was not able to see where Fox got their information.

Hawk, the FBI/DOJ collects national statistics on all sorts of crimes, and has for decades.  It’s one of the best sources, actually.

Moreover, your source is entirely compatible with what is noted here; think of where the crime rate for non-veterans would be if you (correctly) assumed that the vast majority of veterans are male.  You would roughly double that number for non-veterans, and find that non-veterans are about 3.5x more likely to commit violent crimes than veterans.

This is what you’d expect if you prevented criminals from entering the military and trained them in basic ethics and morals while in uniform--which is exactly what we do.

Moreover, your source is entirely compatible with what is noted here; think of where the crime rate for non-veterans would be if you (correctly) assumed that the vast majority of veterans are male.  You would roughly double that number for non-veterans, and find that non-veterans are about 3.5x more likely to commit violent crimes than veterans.

I understand your point, but I think you will find women do not commit violent crime at nearly the rate men do, so I don’t think you can double that.

I question the DOJ numbers because murder is a generally a state crime and I don’t know why the DOJ would be tracking this.  I also don’t know if states accurately track which convicts are veterans.  Intuitively I would guess that veterans statistics would be pretty close to the statistics of the general population.

Hawk, you could ask them, seriously, you can.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

The video does not work so I was not able to see where Fox got their information.

The video may not be working for you (it works fine for me) but the graphic I posted is clear: The data came from the DoJ.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I question the DOJ numbers because murder is a generally a state crime and I don’t know why the DOJ would be tracking this.  I also don’t know if states accurately track which convicts are veterans.  Intuitively I would guess that veterans statistics would be pretty close to the statistics of the general population.

Hawk, the DoJ has been collecting local crime data for decades.  Where have you been?

And as both your comparison above and Fox’s comparison shows, Vets (despite being comprised of the gender demographic most likely to commit violence crime) are less likely as a group to murder/commit an act of violence than the general population.

Why are you arguing at this point?  The New York Times is just plain wrong.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Hawk:

Every Police Department and Sheriff’s Office in America is REQUIRED to submit arrest statistics to the feds. EVERY type of crime is categorized and tracked.

Go to the Department of Justice or the FBI websites and do your own math. The numbers are there.

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Has anybody been able to verify the Fox numbers?  The most exhaustive study of veterans in federal and state prison I was able to find showed that the murder rate for veterans was approximately 94/100k while for nonveterans was 168/100k.  This certainly is not a ratio of 40:7.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/vsfp04.pdf

So, you are telling us, lestupid, that civilians are far more likely to commit murder than veterans? Thanks for playing"How Stupid Can Lestupid Be!” From the numbers you dropped 74 of 168 murderers are veterans. Substantially less than half. Good job, buddy.

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So, you are telling us, lestupid, that civilians are far more likely to commit murder than veterans? Thanks for playing"How Stupid Can Lestupid Be!” From the numbers you dropped 74 of 168 murderers are veterans. Substantially less than half. Good job, buddy.

The ratio of 94/168 is not substantially less than half.  But the report also pointed out that part of the disparity is because young people are the most likely to commit crimes and there are substantially less young veterams than older veterans.  If you sign a 4 year contract at 18 you cannot be a veteran until 22.  Probably why Fox only chose the demographic of 18-34, they wanted to skew the numbers.

Again, the numbers you throw clearly show veterans to be SUBSTANTIALLY less likely to commit violent crimes than civs. Good job, buddy.

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