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New York Times: Comparing Obama To Britney Spears Is Racist

Because it...um...just is.

[T]here was something surreal, and offensive, about today’s soundbite from the campaign of Senator John McCain.

The presumptive Republican nominee has embarked on a bare-knuckled barrage of negative advertising aimed at belittling Mr. Obama. The most recent ad compares the presumptive Democratic nominee for president to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton — suggesting to voters that he’s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

The ad gave us an uneasy feeling that the McCain campaign was starting up the same sort of racially tinged attack on Mr. Obama that Republican operatives, some of whom work for Mr. McCain now, ran against Harold Ford, a black candidate for Senate in Tennessee in 2006. That assault, too, began with videos juxtaposing Mr. Ford with young, white women.

Seems pretty clear to me that in comparing Obama to vacuous tabloid fodder like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton the McCain campaign intended a commentary about own vacuousness.  Being President means being a leader.  Making a leader means making hard choices well, even when those choices are unpopular.  Noting that Obama’s qualifications for President, much like Paris Hilton’s acting credential, seem to consist of a lot of PR and marketing and pizazz and not a lot of substance is a perfectly acceptable line of criticism.

And, frankly, has nothing to do with Obama’s race.  Certainly I could see McCain making the same sort of argument against John Edwards were he the Democrat nominee-to-be.

Trying to stretch McCain’s criticisms of Obama in this vein into racism (something that mimics Obama’s own efforts in that regard) is the sort of nonsense that is driving people away from papers like the Times.

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I’m seriously trying to the message out on this one.  What about f’ing Obamagirl?  I’ve blogged about it on my site.  He’s the one who used airheaded women to bring attnetion to his empty headed campaign.  What goes around comes around. He’s an asshat.

http://totherightofwrong.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-no-mention-of-obamagirl.html

Caomhin on July 31, 2008 at 10:27 pm

That was an awesome blog post.


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The NYTimes is really “stretching” on this one – the message in the McCain ad was obvious from the get-go – vapid, self-centered, mindless - celebrity. It was also amusing and much to the point (given the fact that the similarities are mind-boggling.) – It was never about race (Obama being the one to play the lowest race card available – now showing signs of desperation - going back to the McCain=Bush mantra as well – all this - given polls not moving even after having taken a world tour with the big 3 networks in tow) – McCain’s ads are nothing compared to what was unleashed on both sides during the last campaign – what happens to Obama when the real ads start playing?  All it will take is a short trip down memory lane (2006 and before) in Illinois to really heat things up.  Someone, somewhere (and I cannot recall who, when) noted this was the last time the Press would be able to try and influence an American election – and it appears that collectively the press is now hinging on the Ludicrous!  I have a word in mind – backfire.

Tina H. on August 1, 2008 at 03:14 am

Apparently the person that wrote the swift boat veterans for truth has a book out on Obama as well…


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goon on August 1, 2008 at 03:26 am

Apparently the person that wrote the swift boat veterans for truth has a book out on Obama as well…


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goon on August 1, 2008 at 03:27 am

Saying anything will soon be racist.


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Chief RZ on August 1, 2008 at 04:31 am

If anyone ought to be offended by this McCain campaign ad, it should be Paris Hilton and Britney Spears!  Imagine the indignity of having your life compared to something as insubstantial as the Obama campaign!


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 06:03 am

If anyone ought to be offended by this McCain campaign ad, it should be Paris Hilton and Britney Spears!  Imagine the indignity of having your life compared to something as insubstantial as the Obama campaign!


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 06:04 am

Dear Guys.
You want to know why people think he’s being a racist? Because he has Steve Schmidt working for him as head of his day-to-day operations. Schmidt is a Rove operative who helped Bush trounce McCain in 2000 with the “John McCain has an illegitimate black baby” whisper campaign. I don’t think that the Paris Hilton ad campaign is racist, but I think that employing Schmidt not only shows that McCain has no pride whatsoever, it also shows he’s willing to do anything to win.

Obama is starting to seem like a straight talker and it ain’t looking good for McCain. He can win by being honest and being himself. He won the primaries in that manner, he can win the pres. election in that manner.

But no. He has chosen to go with the propagandists who condition the masses with repetition. Have fun receiving bullshit talking points through repetition, like a child or a dog. Its what’s happening. None of you apparently feel insulted by that treatment. Sad. Politics are for dogs now.

The other thing that doesn’t help is having people like ChiefRZ, who refer to black people as ‘negroes’… acting shocked and appalled.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 06:24 am

Dear Guys.
You want to know why people think he’s being a racist? Because he has Steve Schmidt working for him as head of his day-to-day operations. Schmidt is a Rove operative who helped Bush trounce McCain in 2000 with the “John McCain has an illegitimate black baby” whisper campaign. I don’t think that the Paris Hilton ad campaign is racist, but I think that employing Schmidt not only shows that McCain has no pride whatsoever, it also shows he’s willing to do anything to win.

Obama is starting to seem like a straight talker and it ain’t looking good for McCain. He can win by being honest and being himself. He won the primaries in that manner, he can win the pres. election in that manner.

But no. He has chosen to go with the propagandists who condition the masses with repetition. Have fun receiving bullshit talking points through repetition, like a child or a dog. Its what’s happening. None of you apparently feel insulted by that treatment. Sad. Politics are for dogs now.

The other thing that doesn’t help is having people like ChiefRZ, who refer to black people as ‘negroes’… acting shocked and appalled.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 06:24 am

Furthermore, if there is an implicit psychological effect that occurs when images of Obama are juxtaposed with young white women… that stems from the racist tendencies of McCain’s constituency… then its racist. Subliminal ads are still ads.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

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that stems from the racist tendencies of McCain’s constituency

Or the tiny voices inside Sparkie’s head! Nice smear attempt, Sparkless! And Obama girl was likewise racist because it too, juxtaposed an image of a young white girl with a black man?
You’re projecting again. And not very well!



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Proof on August 1, 2008 at 06:36 am

Obama is starting to seem like a straight talker and it ain’t looking good for McCain. He can win by being honest and being himself. He won the primaries in that manner, he can win the pres. election in that manner.

That statement is 100% false, Obama is not a straight talker. If I was McCain I would keep my mouth shut and let Obama flip flop and makes gaffes left and right.


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goon on August 1, 2008 at 06:39 am

Goon

That statement is 100% false, Obama is not a straight talker.

100% false? Read what I wrote, tart.

Obama is starting to seem like a straight talker

Its not what he’s saying, its the crap job McCain’s handlers are doing.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 06:49 am

OMG. Guess what guys? Obama has two legitimate black babies.
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The point remains. The public is tired of Rove and his mantra-repeating hack operatives. McCain shot himself in the foot by working with the same people that used to demonize him.
Treat the public like fools to be manipulated, and there will be backlash. Now who will get more of it, Obama or McCain, remains to be seen.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 06:54 am

You want to know why people think he’s being a racist?

Actually, no!!!

Accusations of racism by the Obama campaign and the Democrats have turned out to be a standard line of defense every time a substantive criticism of Obama and his unsubstantive campaign is raised.  the accusatios are passe… boring and inconsequential.

And as with the infamous boy who cried, “Wolf!” the correct answer to cries of racism is, “So what!?”


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 07:02 am

Dear Guys.
You want to know why people think he’s being a racist? Because he has Steve Schmidt working for him as head of his day-to-day operations. Schmidt is a Rove operative who helped Bush trounce McCain in 2000 with the “John McCain has an illegitimate black baby” whisper campaign.

This is a level of stupid beyond what I thought Sparkie capable of.
Most people don’t remember the whisper campaign, so no, that’s not why anyone finds it racist. The assumptions here are legion.

1. There actually was a whisper campaign against McCain.
2. Despite no evidence, the minor whisper campaign must have come from Karl Rove.
3. Steve Schmidt, since he worked for Rove, was directly involved in the whisper campaign.
4. Because Schmidt was involved in a racist campaign, this campaign is automatically racist.

Those are the big ones. All silly.


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Kenny on August 1, 2008 at 07:04 am

Sparkie.  I have outlined my rationale for describing various individuals.
ChiefRZ, who refer to black people as ‘negroes’… acting shocked and appalled.

The way certain people interact with government programs, they may play the role of African-American even though they may have been born in South America.  Negroes describes a physical characteristic of a group of people similar to Caucasian or Mongol.
Black is not really true as you should admit.
Someone with 1/8 negro background may or may not qualify for negro or African American, but that is their choice to ID with that group.

Questions?


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Chief RZ on August 1, 2008 at 07:15 am

Sparkie.  I have outlined my rationale for describing various individuals.
ChiefRZ, who refer to black people as ‘negroes’… acting shocked and appalled.

The way certain people interact with government programs, they may play the role of African-American even though they may have been born in South America.  Negroes describes a physical characteristic of a group of people similar to Caucasian or Mongol.
Black is not really true as you should admit.
Someone with 1/8 negro background may or may not qualify for negro or African American, but that is their choice to ID with that group.

Questions?


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Chief RZ on August 1, 2008 at 07:16 am

BatOne

a substantive criticism of Obama

I agree with you. There has only been one substantiative criticism I have seen, namely, he has no history at all. Who cares if he’s a celeb? People like celebs. That just sucks for McCain. Honestly, I couldn’t believe that McCain ad when I saw it. A lot of money wasted associating Obama with people everyone is infatuated with. The ad clearly misjudged the voyeuristic, celeb-obsessed masses in this country.
Kenny
If I’ve just got you to admit that Rove is a racist hack… that’s enough for me.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 07:17 am

Sparkie, you other smear about the 2000 nomination.  I live here, went to the debate and have pretty good ears.  I never heard your “whisper” you describe.  It was news to me.  Sounds like an Al Gore smear.


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Chief RZ on August 1, 2008 at 07:20 am

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Revisionist history, outdated epithets. You describe black people as ‘negroes’ and refer to ‘obnoxious minorities’.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 07:33 am

There has only been one substantiative criticism I have seen, namely, he has no history at all.

Sparky,

Not exactly!  Granted Mr. Obama has no resume of consequence… no experiences to tout that might make a reasonable person believe he can capably do the job.  But there have certainly been other substantive criticisms of young Mr. Obama beside his lack of experience as anything significant.

His economic and tax policies would be disastrous for the nation’s economy, involving as they do enormous tax increases.

His policy prescription for “Fixing” Social Security does no such thing, and may actually shorten the window of time til the so-called “trust fund” starts to run a negative balance.  Indeed, there is some real question as to whether or not Mr. Obama even understands the nature of the problem.  Predictably, he offers no “solution” to the question of other un-funded “entitlement” liabilities, Medi-care and the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation.

In the area of national defense and the GWOT, Mr. Obama’s positions have been appalling wrong-headed, and stupid.  He continues to insist that his opposition to the “surge” in Iraq was correct, despite the evidence that that strategy has worked very well indeed.  He refuses to take the military advice of the commanders on the ground regarding a “timetable” for withdrawal, despite the fact that he clearly has no military experience or knowledge and admits that his position is driven by political considerations and not the military situation on the ground.  At the same time he advocates a similar Surge-type strategy for Afghanistan, which is clearly the wrong approach there, while refusing to acknowledge publicly that the surge he advocates worked so well despite his opposition.  He offers nothing to address the threats of Iran and its terrorist clients, Hezbollah, Hamas, and al-Qaeda, except to talk with them, and some vague and foolish threat to invade Pakistan.

Finally, for now, there’s the question of America’s energy supply and our continued, growing reliance on foreign oil.  Those on the Left have yet to acknowledge the reality of supply and demand or the fact that, like it or not, we are in a global market.  If the world pumps 88 million barrels of oil per day, and uses nearly 88 million barrels of oil per day, prices are going to increase as demand increases.  And outlawing “speculators” will do nothing to change that basic supply and demand equation.  Clearly, Obama and the Democrats are unwilling to do anything to substantively increase our domestic supply of oil.  When in fact we have billions and billions of barrels of the stuff available here at home.

Then there is the question of Obama’s frightful lack of consistency.  His flip-flopping… excuse me… refining his position… makes John Kerry seem like a paragon by comparison.

The problem isn’t that there aren’t legitimate, substantive criticisms of Obama and the positions he’s taken.  Rather the problem is that those who yammer and whine about a lack of substantive criticism, about sticking to “facts and issues” in reality want anything but, and are the very first to change the subject, obfuscate, invent strawmen, or cry “Racism!” rather than address the criticisms and the issues they’ve said they wanted to discuss.

You want a substantive discussion of issues?  Explain how raising taxes will foster economic growth instead of stifling it, when all the evidence clearly says otherwise.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 08:00 am

Bat One
Party line melodrama. If you have problems with all that stuff, tell both the big government parties, the only two parties, to go fuck off. But no, you support one of them. People like Ron Paul, who actually have the balls to stand up to the fed, meet with more ire than any others around here. Small government my ass. If the republican party isn’t small government, it isn’t the republican party. You guys are merely deflecting the problems with your own positions.

Also, this point...

Honestly, I couldn’t believe that McCain ad when I saw it. A lot of money wasted associating Obama with people everyone is infatuated with. The ad clearly misjudged the voyeuristic, celeb-obsessed masses in this country.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 08:19 am

Sparkie,

Good for you!  You’ve managed to prove my point quite succinctly.

You noted that you’d seen only one “substantiative” criticism of Obama, and when presented with a list of specific, policy-based criticisms in response, you turn tail and run, preferring to hide behind some drivel about big government and “party line melodrama” none of which had anything to do with Obama.  And none of which is remotely relevant, especially considering the expansive furtherance of that “big government” endorsed wholeheartedly by the young Mr. Obama.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 08:56 am

So… Which is it, Sparkie?  Are you actually interested in discussing issues and policy options, or are you merely another intellectual poseur enamored of the sound of your own voice?


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Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 09:00 am

And none of which is remotely relevant, especially considering the expansive furtherance of that “big government” endorsed wholeheartedly by the young Mr. Obama.

Look over there! Don’t look at McCain!


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 09:05 am

Bat
You know I am against bureaucracy, raising taxes, etc. I will not vote for Obama or McCain.

That said, I disagree with you about the GWOT, Social Security, etc. You are throwing up theoretical solutions to real world problems. The GWOT is not as simple as you let on. We support factions of al Qaeda when it serves our extremely short term purposes. Bush is in bed with the Saudis. The idea that a republican is going to reduce our dependence on them is but words. They are the terrorists.

Your rhetoric is perfect. but its only rhetoric.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 09:10 am

More obfuscation, Sparkie?  Your comments are bordering on boring.

The subject, by your own reckoning, was criticism of Obama… “substantiative” criticism.  But as I noted above, when the questions are raised regarding just such issue-based criticism, you’re last seen scooting off in another direction, tail firmly planted between your legs.

That sort of intellectual duplicity may work in the Philosophy Department, and it certainly seems to work on the lemming of the Left, but some of us just aren’t that shallow.

Sorry!


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Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 09:17 am

the lemming of the Left

ha. a nice dodge of the fact that your substantive criticisms are just party line rhetoric. wanna talk about lemmings? let’s talk about y’all who were duped into supporting bush, the spending elitist cockroach.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 09:24 am

That said, I disagree with you about the GWOT, Social Security, etc. You are throwing up theoretical solutions to real world problems.

Sparkie,

Any time you wish to discussed GWOT, Social Security and other un-funded federal liabilities, economics and tax policy, etc., and do so in a partisan void, as purely rhetorical exercises, I’ll be glad to oblige.

But you are wrong about “theoretical solutions” and you know it.  First, I haven’t offered any solutions.  I’m not running for office.  I’ve merely criticized the “solutions” offered by the inexperienced young man who is running.

Second, all “solutions” are in some sense theoretical until implemented and then evaluated for their effectiveness.  I like adjectives as much as the next guy, but I try to use them with both imagination and precision.

That said, I don’t see that what Mr. Bush has done, or presumably would do, has any bearing on the viability of the “solutions” offered by Obama.  Sounds more to me like just another excuse for NOT addressing the “substantive” criticisms of Obama which you suggested weren’t there in the first place.


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Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 09:30 am

...a nice dodge of the fact that your substantive criticisms are just party line rhetoric.

You’re talking to me about a “dodge.” Leave it a philosopher to double down on the paradox!  Come on, Sparkie!  Pick an issue.

If my criticisms of Mr. Obama’s “solutions” are nothing more than “party line rhetoric” surely a smart guy like you ought to be able decimate my criticism on some basis more substantial what you’ve offered so far.  Try something on the merits, if you can manage it.  Glib dismissals and obfuscation are what I expected.  Surprise me.


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Bat One on August 1, 2008 at 09:43 am

If my criticisms of Mr. Obama’s “solutions” are nothing more than “party line rhetoric” surely a smart guy like you ought to be able decimate my criticism on some basis more substantial what you’ve offered so far.

What I mean is that your guy is no better and they are trying to distract republicans into pretending that mccain isn’t pretty much exactly the same as obama. which he is. that’s what I mean. loud and clear yet?
what’s more… no one can trust either of these two so what they are saying or doing is just bait.
I am fucking tired of this melodrama bullshit. its all lies, both sides and the middle. meanwhile, whats happening in your neighborhood, state? argue about something useful instead of fluffing all the cloud pillows.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 1, 2008 at 09:58 am

Sparkie.  Revisionism?  I know a bit about that.  Studied it at the Graduate level.

ChiefRZ
Revisionist history, outdated epithets. You describe black people as ‘negroes’ and refer to ‘obnoxious minorities’.

The Truth:  Here is my latest attempt to define and shine light on this subject.

What outdated epithet?  I hope you are not referring the the classification of race as Caucasian, Negro, Mongol or others.  Physical characteristics based on intermarriage are facts.  People have engaged in redefining words.  I refuse to go along with socialists.  Sex is not a verb.  Gender is a better word. 
African-American is a self-described term that some people use to garner sympathy and official preferences based on a self-claimed, unproved status.

I do not describe black people as negroes.  I use the racial classification that has physical characteristics such as hip to heel ratio and other salient qualities as negroes.  I do this to discriminate and contrast between the various other descriptions such as Afro-American, colored, and numerous others in the past few decades. 

There is one race, human.  There are obvious, observable and discovered differences between genders such as number of rods and cones in the retina.

I described obnoxious behavior by a favored minority.  It appeared that they claimed special status and would not comply with rules, laws or requests.  I have run into people like this before.

One such person lived on the same court.  He insisted on violating the motor vehicle laws.  I talked with him about it three times, then called the police.  It took three visits by the police before he stopped the illegal behavior.  He moved the next year.  I had a young son at the time and did not want him to learn disrespect for the law.  Apparently, certain other people do not.


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Chief RZ on August 1, 2008 at 11:33 am

Sparkie.  I see you are here.  How about a reply to your accusation of yesterday here on this thread.  I await your reply to “complexion”


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Chief RZ on August 2, 2008 at 06:52 am

Sparkie, I will give you a week to reply.


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Chief RZ on August 3, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Sparkie.  How about a reply now.  I see you are here.


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Chief RZ on August 3, 2008 at 05:35 pm

ChiefRZ
You are the one asking me to respond. So be it.

intermarriage

Some of that ‘mixing’ you are so against occurs outside of marriage.

African-American is a self-described term that some people use to garner sympathy and official preferences based on a self-claimed, unproved status.

Italian-American, Polish-American, Native American, Israeli-American, Senegalese American… all self describing terms. So what? Your bias is on your sleeve.

I use the racial classification that has physical characteristics such as hip to heel ratio and other salient qualities as negroes.

Yea. I know. Are you a scientist? Social researcher? You use that to describe black people often on this blog.

There is one race, human.

But you just said you use racial classification. What, we all know who the humans are.

I described obnoxious behavior by a favored minority.

You said:

Just last week, two of our obnoxious minorities insisted on playing their favorite songs for the patrons at a local waffle house.

The implication is not that they are obnoxious because they were playing the radio. The implication is that they were playing the radio because they are obnoxious minorities. Also, I can’t help but notice your use of ‘our’ as in ‘ownership’. I don’t know if you knew this, but its not commonplace for the whites from the Carolinas and the south to still speak as if they own minorities… but that’s just the umpteenth tell you’ve let out around here. You are a blatant racist. You equivocate about using race classifications and the claiming all are one race. I’m done. I have no desire to point out your hateful tendencies that emerge in your interactions here.

If you want people to think you are a bigot, don’t refer to “our obnoxious minorities”. Who, if I might ask, is the group included in the ‘our’? Whoever they are, I am not a member of the group you are trying to denote.

You are often aghast when I don’t respect your opinions, but your comments are sublimated with insecurity and hate.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 3, 2008 at 05:58 pm

rather, “if you don’t want people to think you’re a...”


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 3, 2008 at 06:00 pm

Chief?
No response? You have a week.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 3, 2008 at 08:25 pm

Sparkie.  I was blacklisted again, but here is my saved post.

Sparkie.  How about one day.

When did I say anything about intermarriage?  I am against people, any people, our people (meaning citizens of the USA) making babies and then not being personally responsible for their upbringing; instead, asking, no demanding that all other responsible taxpayers pay for their rearing.

use to garner sympathy and official preferences

Other hyphenated people (our people--US citizens) do not claim or demand special status based on any claimed historical dynasty.

Social researcher? You use that to describe black people often on this blog.

No, not “black” people, negroes.  At least one dissertation was used as an excellent example of proving scientifically the hip-heel ratios of negroes were longer than caucasians per overall body height.  That fact, proved about fifty years ago by a professor from Ithaca College, New York.

Other characteristics are so salient that most pre-school children readily identify.  Nothing about these physical characteristics denotes good nor bad, just facts.

If you would like to learn more about Our people (USA citizens, myself included) and not exhibit prejudice, may I suggest we continue with a discussion on complexion.


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let’s talk about y’all who were duped into supporting bush (sic),

The intellectually deficient left is really big on weasel words this week: “duped”, “tricked”, etc.
Though you portray Bush (BTW, we capitalize proper names around here!) as a “spending elitist cockroach”, he still stood head and shoulders above the spineless pandering weasels the Democrats put up to oppose him.
There was no “duping”, no “tricking”, just an honest assessment of two candidates and a choice for the better. Kind of like what will happen this Fall between the spineless pandering weasel Obama and John McCain!



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Proof on August 4, 2008 at 05:28 am

Race physiognomics from 50 years ago? Oh. You know what? there have been dissertations on everything. Interesting that you deride most science, but when it can provide salient differences between the races, you latch right on.

Our people (USA citizens, myself included)

So they were ‘our obnoxious minorities’? I think they were probably US citizens too. That would make them their own. Not yours or mine. You try to create divisions with innuendo. You play the victim just like you claim ‘our obnoxious minorities’ do.

Grow up and stop being a racist. I know it takes a big man, but I have confidence in you.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 4, 2008 at 05:31 am

Chief RZ:  Spark doesn’t want to discuss the issues, he only wants to discuss his perception of you !


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pparets on August 4, 2008 at 05:49 am

I’m afraid there isn’t all that much difference between these two candidates—they both really, really suck (e.g. one is a racist Ueber-Leftist and the other a Stealth Democrat)

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It’s not like the differences between Reagan and Carter or Bush and Gore.

We’ve been confronted by unimpressive Republicans before, such as Bush, Sr. after his Read My Lips volte face, or the geriatric, stage-diving, Quit-Lying-About-My-Record Bob Dole—but this is ridiculous.

We are so screwed.


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Move_Zig on August 4, 2008 at 06:30 am

Sparkie.  Our nation, our flag, our history.  You exhibited a bit of prejudice that I have not.  You said,

commonplace for the whites from the Carolinas and the south to still speak as if they own minorities

that would be a prejudicial statement.  What if I said, commonplace for the “blacks” from New York and the West Coast to use drugs, or kill indiscriminately and to speak as if they own their children?

I use and believe in science that can be replicated by anyone, including scientists, not a theory proposed by hollywood high school dropouts.

Still no comment on complexion?

Yes, our people, our problem that certain people have preferences based on skin complexion and not on merit.  I do not know of any preferences for Irish-Americans, nor French-Americans nor Japanese-Americans, do you?

Until these arbitrary preferences are eliminated from OUR government, we will not erase past (Democratic) Government legal (de jure)

By the way, I am not from “around here” as some people say in the Carolinas.  In particular South Carolina.

Sorry you have such a jaded view or perception of America.  It could have been from accident of birth, indoctrination, or environment.  I have worked hard, studied when some other people were playing around, going out every night and stealing other people’s property.  I knew no one when I applied and was offered jobs.  Many do.


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Chief RZ on August 4, 2008 at 09:50 am

Sparkie.  It amazes me when people label others based on one word or words.  You have never met me to my knowledge.  You were not a student of mine or you never would have accused me of what you said.  If you like, I could put you in touch with some of the 10,000 students I taught.  You were not in the Military with me either.  I interfaced with hundreds of people.  I would be glad for you to converse with them too.

The New York times has been communist since the 1920.

They have not much credibility left.

There have been numerous instances of perceived rapes, torture and murder based on the complexion or class of the victim.  Here is one:
This is blacklisted for some reason, so you will have to modify the address.

http://magyartruth.blogspot(dot)com/2006/02/drugs-and-personal-responsibility.html


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Chief RZ on August 4, 2008 at 11:13 am

Sparkie, what you have exhibited is called prejudice--pre judging a person before you have met or know them.  If you think you can know someone based on a word or word that you take the wrong way, then you are prejudiced.

I was brought up in New England.  I chose the University of South Carolina because of its strong and forward thinking department of Education. 
Dr. Leon Lessinger coined the phrase, “teaching is a performing art”
Dr. Savage took a stand on modeling.  We had fun in OUR school, we learned the meaning of honesty and OUR Basketball, Football as well as Track and Field Teams learned sportsmanship as well as hard work.

Those few who exhibited racism were shunned by their peers, but it did take a few years of knowing me before they believed in my integrity.  Respect must be earned.


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Chief RZ on August 4, 2008 at 02:02 pm

Sparkie.  How about BHO?  “Andy Warhol said we all get our 15 minutes of fame,”

says Barack Obama

. “I’ve already had an hour and a half. I mean, I’m so overexposed, I’m making Paris Hilton look like a recluse.”
So, once again, not for thee, but OK for me?

All in a huff because certain other people use terms.  What other terms are not allowed by certain people?

This gets more interesting as time goes on.


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Chief RZ on August 4, 2008 at 07:10 pm

Chief
I never said you can’t use whatever terms you want to. Horsepocky. As with this quote you take out of context above.

that would be a prejudicial statement

Horsepockey. Nice volley.

Communists at the NYTimes? And that’s my problem because?

Are you in a teachers union? Eh?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 4, 2008 at 07:37 pm

Chief
So you’re in it on behalf of aborting, mexican ‘obnoxious minority’ loving mccain? Cheerio, duped feller.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 4, 2008 at 07:40 pm

Chief
Did you know that “McCain has an illegitimate black baby?”

Hattip to Steve Schmidt, for the phrase above I deign to dub the ‘universal solvent’. Thanks Steve… bitch.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 4, 2008 at 07:42 pm

I thought liberals shouting hysterically, though their argruments be shown sophmoric, was a thing confined to tv or radio interviews.  I’m sad to see that this type of churlishness has also infected the internet. Must be a school somewhere teaching this rude behaviour, maybe they all are.

studakota on August 5, 2008 at 07:01 am

studakota.  You should take a look at Daily Kos.  Every other word is an interjection.  Sparkie:  Race physiognomics?  No, nothing to do with race.  Somatotyping.  Dr. Sheldon.  Not sure how to follow any of your other comments, but I will try.  I am a patient man and try to know people. 

Communists at the NYTimes? And that’s my problem because?

Because the NYT was the one who apparently take two different views as well as give money disproportionately to Democrats.  They just might be biased.  Keeping on topic with this thread.

I did not understand your comment here: 

Are you in a teachers union? Eh?  Are you asking if I am/was in a union?  No, our state is a right to work state and I enjoyed every minute of my academic freedom to teach honesty along with skills and understanding of the basics.

Now you are engaging in name calling: 

So you’re in it on behalf of aborting, mexican ‘obnoxious minority’ loving mccain?

If you don’t mind, the “"” loving part reminds me of some things I have heard in the past when I was in New York.  I have not encountered any “mexican” people exhibiting obnoxious behavior yet, but I have read about illegal aliens, some of whom were from various South American countries killing other people and selling drugs in San Francisco and even Minnesota. 

Is this what you call a whisper campaign hoax? 

Did you know that “McCain has an illegitimate black baby?”

If so, you would be guilty of what some call gossip.

The complexion of one’s skin has nothing to do with their integrity, work ethic nor their friendship.  One can be britney spears and be nasty or be the elephant man and be wholesome.  Appearance is a salient value.


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Chief RZ on August 5, 2008 at 11:48 am

As I said before, soon, Saying Anything will be racist.  Today I heard that saying someone is thin is racist.  Saying that someone is fat is already PC.


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Chief RZ on August 5, 2008 at 04:43 pm

Where was the NYT during her racist attacks?  Unfounded, unproved, allegations, just thrown out to stick on the wall like a drive-by shooting.  Nikki Tinker and those like her should be tried for racism which has no place in OUR country.


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Chief RZ on August 9, 2008 at 04:41 am
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