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Sunday, November 23, 2008


New York City Orders Twenty Churches To Shut Down Homeless Shelters

Big government strikes again.

NEW YORK (CBS) ―  City officials have ordered 22 New York churches to stop providing beds to homeless people.

With temperatures well below freezing early Saturday, the churches must obey a city rule requiring faith-based shelters to be open at least five days a week—or not at all.

Arnold Cohen, president of the Partnership for the Homeless, a nonprofit that serves as a link with the city, said he had to tell the churches they no longer qualify.

He said hundreds of people now won’t have a place to sleep.

This is monumentally stupid.  It seems to me that if a church can open its doors and get some people off the streets for even one night that’s a good thing.  But apparently the bureaucrats in New York think otherwise, though I wonder what their motivation is?  Since this targets only faith-based organizations, could this be a way to push private relief efforts out of the way of government-run relief efforts?  It’s difficult to imagine anyone being that cold hearted and crass, but never underestimate the audacity of bureaucrats who make $100,000/year spending our money.  And really, what other possible motivation is there?

This same sort of “all or nothing” mentality infects a lot of liberal thinking, as a matter of fact.  Look at health care, for instance.  Now I don’t think anyone would argue that the present system is perfect, or that it can’t be improved, but liberals seem to think that because it is not perfect and because it is not necessarily 100% accessible to every single citizen in the country it should be shut down and replaced with an entirely government-run system.

Which is a bit like killing a gnat with a sledgehammer.

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How ridiculous! AND yet, how typical. I would imagine this is going to result in a lot of homeless people freezing to death. Where are all the Hollywood people when stuff like this happens?

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 03:41 pm
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Sure, we all believe you conservatives care what happens to the homeless. In fact, I was just discussing your compassionate nature with Amelia Earhart and Bigfoot while were traveling to the moon on the shuttle.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 03:48 pm

Another compassionate leftard spews forth. Tell us, dino, what do you do for the homeless, other than spit on them?


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2Hotel9 on November 23, 2008 at 04:12 pm

Dino, I am a Conservative and I give money to charitable organizations for the homeless etc. One of the Charities is Operation Blessing that is faith based. Why is it,  Liberals are all gung ho about Women and Homeless unless it doesn’t suit them? AND Libs love to say Conservatives don’t care? Is it because we don’t see BIG Gov as charity?

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 04:15 pm
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“The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.”

looks like a battle over turf ... and job security

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Sure, we all believe you conservatives care what happens to the homeless. In fact, I was just discussing your compassionate nature with Amelia Earhart and Bigfoot while were traveling to the moon on the shuttle.

We care.  It’s just that we don’t think the solution to things like poverty lays with entitlement.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 23, 2008 at 04:39 pm

We care.  It’s just that we don’t think the solution to things like poverty lays with entitlement.

Or mental healthcare or veterans benefits or ...

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Or mental healthcare

In your case, Le Twit, we highly recommend it!


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Sure, we all believe you conservatives care what happens to the homeless

Perhaps Mr. Saur will enlighten us as to whether it is liberals or conservatives who are running the city that just shut down the church homeless shelters?


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Proof on November 23, 2008 at 04:59 pm
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Ah yes, the part you left out. From the story:

The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.

Last year, four unsheltered homeless people died in the city during cold weather, so three dozen emergency outreach teams were prepped to respond to reports of homeless people outdoors or in the subways.

“We really don’t want people sleeping on the streets, on grates, on church steps. We want people sleeping in beds,” said Homeless Commissioner Robert Hess.

The homeless can be coaxed indoors but not forced unless their life is in danger.

So you see, liars, the city has a program in place. A program with shelters open all the time not when the churches want to use the homeless to show their faux generosity.

Conservative cities like Phoenix take the homeless to the edge of town and tell them to get going. Remember, you’ll never convince many that conservatives are compassionate.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 05:14 pm

Dino, You are a Liberal partisan idiot without a clue what conservatives do or think. Without conservatives contributions to charities there wouldn’t be many charities. Only Big Gov Socialist Programs like welfare etc.

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 05:27 pm
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85% of philanthropic giving is from the federal government. Your pennies in the collection plate don’t add up to squat.

You’ll never get many to believe that conservatives are generous. Your ideological beliefs give you away.

How come we liberals don’t have to crow about what we give? Because it’s understood that we do. People that have to try and convince others of their generosity usually aren’t generous.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 05:36 pm

The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.

Maybe they didn’t want to sleep in squalor in the public beds.

How come we liberals don’t have to crow about what we give? Because it’s understood that we do. People that have to try and convince others of their generosity usually aren’t generous.

Yeah, Like freaking Biden giving 1/100 of his income for the last 10 years to charity, and Obama too.

They both are on the lowest contributors list and the only reason Obama started giving more recently, is because of his run.

Dino the dinosaur, you are the biggest ass on the planet.

85% of philanthropic giving is from the federal government. Your pennies in the collection plate don’t add up to squat.

That is a total lie.
I know many of my liberal friends who give NOTHING to charity.  Others throw a fiver in the hat at church. 

If you are talking about the Hollywood crowd’s sponsoring of shit heads like Che Guevara, and Hugo Chavez, and Castro, where the money all goes to dictators who never give any to the people, then I’ll agree the some libs give some money, but there are more people in the middle class, in the U.S. bailing out victims around the world than anywhere else on the planet.

I don’t even donate at church because I want it to get there even when I’m gone.  I have it taken directly out of my bank account so no one has to know what I give.

I sponsor kids in Guatemala, and Nicaragua, and most of my conservative friends do as well.

I also give locally to the Salvation Army.

I would compare donations with you any day of the week.

If you don’t give more than 10% of your gross income, then you don’t even start to talk to me you self aggrandizing shit.

What gives you the high and mighty’s.

You have been all over this blog, shitting on people, but you sound like a jerk.

So in the words of Mark Levin, ‘Get off the blog you big jerk.’


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The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.

So the government shelters don’t want to have to compete with the privately-run shelters.

Typical.  Can’t have the buraeucrats in charge of running those government shelters losing their jobs!


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 23, 2008 at 06:08 pm
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No, the government wants reliable services. You people would be the first to complain if you needed something from government and couldn’t get it.

Points: 10 for obfuscating. -10 for accuracy.

Bottom line: There are shelters where people can go and not have to listen to zealots drone on about Jesus or encounter a locked door.

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No, the government wants reliable services. You people would be the first to complain if you needed something from government and couldn’t get it.

We, frankly, don’t really want anything from the government.

And why does the government need to shut down privately-run shelters in order to run its own shelters?  Can’t both exist?  Shouldn’t we want people in need to have the most options available?


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 23, 2008 at 06:21 pm

Both should be able to exist. BUT when you have Socialist loud mouthed idiot control freaks who are anti religion (Christianity most likely), they just can’t stand it!

Zsa Zsa on November 23, 2008 at 06:28 pm

“85% of philanthropic giving is from the federal government” what a fucking lie.


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2Hotel9 on November 23, 2008 at 07:24 pm

The “pro-choice” crowd once again taking away choice.

Dino - You’ll never get many to believe that conservatives are generous. Your ideological beliefs give you away.

And reality says that conservatives give more to charity than so-called “liberals”. Figure that one out.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 07:40 pm
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Dino and Lyingcourt,

I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this but let me point you to a George Will summary of a book by Professor Arthur Brooks of Syracuse University. And since you’ll whine he’s a partisan (not you of course - wink, wink), I’ll even provide you access to a rebuttal of the data used in the book.


So you see, conservatives make their decisions on a reasoned analysis of data. You zealots, on the other hand, make your decisions from the faith based, secular, egocentric theology of liberalism. Make no mistake - liberalism is a belief system.

It only took me about 15 minutes to come up with this data. You could have done the same if you didn’t have your fingers in your ears childishly sniveling “I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you, waah, waah”.

Please go back to watching “Liberalism: My Unjustified Bloated Self-Esteem Tells Me I am God” on MSNBC (reruns on CNN) so the rest of us can do something more productive than pointing out your idiot liberalist theology. We thank you.

Larry on November 23, 2008 at 08:32 pm
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Sure, you don’t want anything from government but I’ll bet my last dollar that every last one of you has allowed Medicare to pick up the tab for your aged relatives’ health care. I’ll bet many of you even hid their money to put them in nursing homes paid for by Medicaid. It’s a standard republicans trick to milk the system.

If conservatives used reasoned analysis of data they wouldn’t have been the major force behind the Wall Street horror show we’re experiencing. The fake credit ratings, the CDOs, the MBEs that turned out to be the straw that broke the camel’s back of the FIRE economy (look it up) that was based solely on speculation, greed and shady financial instruments. I mean, these guys were supposed to be the best and the brightest of the financial world. Turns out they were no better than the garden variety republican Amway salesman.

Hey Larry. You lost. We won. TWICE. Get used to thinking you’re superior while we remake this country in a liberal mold.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 10:07 pm
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Look, Dino, you asshole,

I have NEVER had an immediate relative on Medicare. Or one in a facility. I also give $15,000 a year to homeless/battered women’s shelters, $5,000 to abused women’s organizations, and $5,000 to children of abused women. So STFU! I guarantee you have never even done jack for poor or homeless people. Not to mention the clothing, food, and furniture donations I do. Also, I adopt 10 kids for Christmas every year. I do it because I can. So unless you are some sort of philanthropic billionaire, just shut your stupid pie hole. You don’t know me, or anyone else here. I’ll make a bet with you that every single person here, Dem, Rep, or Libertarian has done something for someone in need. I paid right at $250,000 in taxes in 2007, thank me for paying your share, you loser.

di butler on November 23, 2008 at 10:41 pm
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Every relative you’ve had that reaches the appropriate age has used Medicare unless they died before needing medical attention. You’ll never get me to believe that your aged relatives forego Medicare.

If you truly paid $250,000 in taxes then you already won the grand prize and are not in the norm. The amount you say you give to charity is probably still not as much as the average person pays of their income in taxes so you could have the tax cuts that finance your as yet unrpoven generosity.

By the way, I saw Amelia Earhart andf she said to say Hi to Bigfoot next time you run into him.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 10:51 pm

Wow. Dino is showing us what “Hope” and “Change” really means.

Him and his attitude is why I am against big government. Why would I want someone who so clearly hates me to decide such things as the kind medical care I receive?

Oh, but Dino is going to go around telling everybody else that they’re not superior enough to decide on their own personal issues, but that he is superior enough to decide for us. Nice display of hypocrisy there, Dino.

The “liberal mold” = anything but “Hope”, “Change” and “choice”.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm
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My family doesn’t apply for Medicare, as a matter of fact. We also don’t put our ill/infirmed in facilities. it is a personal choice decision. It is not required. As for what I pay, I don’t lie. I don’t do if to show off, the only reason I mentioned it was to show you how stupid your claims are. I have been in a very bad situation where I had next to nothing. So I give to repay. You are just a smart-mouthed know-it-all who knows-nothing-at-all about real life. Grow up.

di butler on November 23, 2008 at 11:14 pm
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When did you get the idea I was criticizing your giving habits? I don’t know you. I was responding to the tired claim that conservatives are more generous than liberals. Now if you think that people making enough to pay $250K in taxes is the norm for conservatives then you may have something there but still, even within that group of elite wealth, I don’t believe conservatives are any more generous than liberals.

Unless your family is some top 1% group, there’s no way on this Earth I’m going to believe you cover your old age medical expenses on your own. If you are in the top 1% you shouldn’t even be considering taking any money from any government program anyway.

But I’ll bet you do.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 11:19 pm

...I don’t believe conservatives are any more generous than liberals.

What a surprise. The “reality based” lacking reality. Heh.

“Liberals” are real “generous” with other people’s money. Conservatives are generous with their own. And that finding comes from someone on the left.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 11:23 pm
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Wow, great source. Another conservative blog.

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Wow, great source. Another conservative blog.

Actually, it came a self identified liberal.

But don’t let facts get in the way of bashing conservatives. You wouldn’t want to bring about real hope and change. We can all see that such talk was just bullshit talk to fool the stupid.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 11:39 pm
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You people post that video in a feeble attempt to make your loss make sense without taking a long, hard look at why you’ve lost it all in the past 2 elections.

Normally when people are removed from their jobs or defeated they take a look inward and try to improve. Republicans are too arrogant for that. How could it have been their neglect and mismanagement of the economy or their policies? It must be someone else’s fault, right?

Dino on November 23, 2008 at 11:43 pm

*yawn*

Way to take the subject waaaay off of the parent post, skippy. Everything is partisan for you. That’s boring.

The subject of this post: government knows best and will shut down charity. People like Dino then come in, insult conservatives for no reason, and proclaim government shutting down charities to be a good thing.

Now what are you going on about, Dino? Who cares.

likwidshoe on November 23, 2008 at 11:49 pm
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What is so elitist about taking care of your own family? Actually, no, my family is not “elite” and neither am I. Just because I have been a successful business woman doesn’t mean I am anything special, nor do I try to be. You are really deluded, dude. Making money is a good thing, that way you can VOLUNTARILY help others, not have it yanked by the government. I would love to have the quarter mil in taxes back so that I could give it to people I know who need it, and deserve it, rather than it going to a bunch of lazy asses who don’t bother to work. So, yeah, I do think I can spend money better than the government. I’ll bet anyone on this blog can do a better job. As far as giving, I don’t know, if you discount the liberal Hollywood types, most don’t seem to have too much money to be generous with. That’s why Republicans get touchy about tax hikes, we are the ones paying them. Anyway, what’s with your attitiude? You come on here, and act like you know it all. That’s real respectful to your host, and the people you don’t even know.

di butler on November 23, 2008 at 11:51 pm
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How does a person capable of making enough money to pay a “quarter mill” in taxes still spout nonsense about her taxes going to lazy people who don’t want to work? Did you marry the money?

If you indeed had a brain you would know how little of the tax you pay goes to “a bunch of lazy asses who don’t bother to work”. Welfare amounts to about 3% of the budget and most of it goes to provide food and shelter to poor women and children. How horrible, huh?  If you were as generous as you say you are, so involved with helping the downtrodden and battered women, that wouldn’t bother you, particularly at your supposed income level.

Where your tax money goes is to support GW’s wars and more recently, to bail out the rich Wall Street and financial industry republicans who stole from us. If the tax code was voluntary like many of you republicans think it should be, nonme of you would pay. Conservatives are like the guy who eats out with the group and then hides in the bathroom until the check gets paid. They consume the services and enjoy the perks of living in a first rate country but spend most of their waking hours trying to get out of paying for them.

Something isn’t adding up. Your claims of income don’t match your ignorance of where your taxes go and what the function of government is. Unless you’re a hooker or drug dealer.

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 12:02 am

Conservatives are like the guy who eats out with the group and then hides in the bathroom until the check gets paid.

Sad rhetoric.

In any regard, I Googled your e-mail. You might want to change it.

And what’s the matter? Did the gays laugh you out of the room? You’re no longer on there. A hahahaha! Dude, if you can’t hang, then don’t put it out there. It is mainly gay connoisseurs at that site. They’re a harsh bunch. Go here instead, where everyone gets a ten! That way you won’t really know what the connoisseurs really think. If you don’t have what it takes…

Don’t worry, I won’t reveal your e-mail.

likwidshoe on November 24, 2008 at 12:42 am
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So, Dino, basically a woman can’t be successful unless she marries money or is a hooker. I am sure that must go over well with women you know when you show them so much respect. If you are truly interested in what I do, though why I can’t imagine, you can google DMH metal roofing or AMERILUX. It is not real exciting or near as sexy as being a whore, but it is legal. I understand taxes just fine, thank you, and know where it goes. I also don’t have a problem with my tax dollars going to the war effort.

di butler on November 24, 2008 at 04:49 am
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Shoe,

Do what you want with my email.It’s an address only used for a hidden identity anyway. That’s how it got to gay porn sites and who-knows-where. Someone just like you on a blog started using it and signing me up for stuff. I do hope you had fun at the site, though.

It is typical when a conservative can’t win they start searching for some way to discredit or attack the person. That pretty much describes the last election campaign.

Didn’t work then either.

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 08:16 am
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Butler, you obviously DON’T understand taxes judging from your other responses.

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 08:17 am

You people…???

Typical leftie groupthink identity politics.
Taxes are the expense of govt, btw.  They are paid by the productive to subsidize the unproductive, especially govt drones.  Taxpayer-subsidized govt “jobs” add nothing to our GDP; in fact, they detract from it.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 24, 2008 at 08:24 am
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Oh look. Robert108 hates the troops. He doesn’t want to pay those govt drones since they add nothiing to the GDP.

Why do you hate the troops?

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 08:30 am

Why do you hate the troops?

I don’t.  The military actually does something for the tax money we spend on them, protecting our sovereignty from those to whom you lefties would surrender, in your cowardice.  It’s the govt drones who dispense the money on the failed social engineering schemes who cost us with no return.  In our Constitution, defending the Republic is one of the few legitimate expenses of govt.  Read up on that before you continue to humiliate yourself with your ignorant spew.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 24, 2008 at 08:34 am
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So government can’t do anything right and people who receive a government check are unproductive drones yet the military, the most government of all government enterprises is somehow a special exception?

No wonder we can’t seem to win wars against even weak, civilian countries. Our military is made up of lazy, unproductive drones.

That must be why you hate our brave troops.

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 09:17 am

That must be why you hate our brave troops.

You continue to humiliate yourself with your ignorant spew.  Learn about the Constitution, so you know how idiotic you sound.  National defense is one of the legitimate expenses of govt; wasting taxpayer money on useless social programs is not.
If you don’t know this basic fact, you know nothing.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 24, 2008 at 09:21 am

Military is one of the few legitimate purposes of the government. Welfare is not.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2008 at 09:33 am

And I love how it pretends it is using a proxy IP to hide its identity. That means that everything it posts is lies and bullshit.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2008 at 09:35 am

Dino.  Liberals are liberal with OPM (Other People"s Money).  Just look at BHOs contributions contrasted with President Bush’s.  Look at the actual dollar amount and also the percentage.  Like the widow’s mite, it is not just the gross amount, but the %.

Now.  Come with me as I invite you to serve at a soup kitchen in Columbia, SC.
Churches like mine offer sharing God’s love to people five days a week.  We also serve all comers Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. 

We actually care.  Again, come and let us serve people together.


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Chief RZ on November 24, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Dino - Do what you want with my email.It’s an address only used for a hidden identity anyway. That’s how it got to gay porn sites and who-knows-where. Someone just like you on a blog started using it and signing me up for stuff. I do hope you had fun at the site, though.

Hah! Yeah, right. Bullshit. Your e-mail existed at one place on the Internet.

In any regard, I was giving you a heads up on your e-mail usage. I thought it was funny. *shrugs*

It is typical when a conservative can’t win they start searching for some way to discredit or attack the person. That pretty much describes the last election campaign.

Bullshit again. Your own words and your disgusting attitude discredit you. Instead of taking people at their words, who were decrying the shutting down of charity, you assumed that they don’t care and insulted them from your first comment. Now you’re going to sit back and cry the victim? Hah!

likwidshoe on November 24, 2008 at 01:30 pm

No wonder we can’t seem to win wars against even weak, civilian countries. Our military is made up of lazy, unproductive drones.
That must be why you hate our brave troops.

Considering you’re calling our military men and women “lazy unproductive drones”, it appears you are the only one who hates the military here.

What a sad little man, his whole ideology being his blind hatred of others.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on November 24, 2008 at 04:44 pm
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Shoe,

I’m flattered that you think the body associated with that use of my email is mine. The pictures I’ve seen were very complimentary, if you know what I mean.

And Kenny, blind hatred is what we saw day in and day out during the campaign from McCain/Palin and their deranged followers. The last time we saw such constant, nagging, harping hatred was when Clinton was President. I’d say that you people have the market on hate almost cornered!

Dino on November 24, 2008 at 05:14 pm

And Kenny, blind hatred is what we saw day in and day out during the campaign from McCain/Palin and their deranged followers. The last time we saw such constant, nagging, harping hatred was when Clinton was President. I’d say that you people have the market on hate almost cornered!

Typical lying leftie; you have it exactly backwards!
The hateful smear campaigns against Sarah and Joe the Plumber are par for the course with leftie politics.  Clinton initiated the politics of personal destruction.  Before the blue dress revealed his lies, Clinton tried to portray Monica as a stalker.
Telling the truth about Obamunism and the Clintons, isn’t “hate”, it’s truth.  I guess you have a real problem with the truth, like most lefties.  The facts are not on your side, so you have no recourse but to lie and smear.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 24, 2008 at 05:27 pm

Where is Dino?  I just got back from distributing food and frozen turkeys for our Church.

It was a pleasure.  I remember doing something like that when I was in the US Jaycees.

One house was a log cabin with dirt floor, no electricity or running water, but the children were reading their textbooks by kerosene lanterns.  The mother was there and their father was bringing the water in gallon jugs.  They had a loving family.  Their children probably survived without using drugs.


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Chief RZ on November 24, 2008 at 06:05 pm

And Kenny, blind hatred is what we saw day in and day out during the campaign from McCain/Palin and their deranged followers. The last time we saw such constant, nagging, harping hatred was when Clinton was President. I’d say that you people have the market on hate almost cornered!

Please. Give me a break.

Obama’s campaign mocked McCain’s WAR INJURIES. In return, McCain declared Wright, Ayers, etc off limits. He refused to talk about his disgusting views on abortion.

Obama ran the nasty campaign, and you’re being dishonest.

You have shown yourself to be nothing but a ball of hate. Remove the beam from your own eye before trying to remove the mote from your neighbors eye.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on November 24, 2008 at 07:53 pm
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I’m still waiting for the explanation of why I am a hooker. I even went so far as to post two of my personal businesses here in a public forum for him, yet he didn’t respond back. I actually think he owes me an apology, but I guess since he is such a nice guy, I shouldn’t hold my breath waiting. Just because I said I didn’t want any of my tax money going to lazy asses, he decided that meant I didn’t want any of it going to legitimate charities. I guess I wasn’t clear. I don’t want to pay a dime for people who are capable of holding a job but refuse to do so. I have zero sympathy for people who don’t bother to help themselves, who think the government owes them a living. I will do my very best to help anyone who is trying, if I can, but I had to do w/o and I got a job as soon as i was physically able, I could have gotten disability, welfare, food stamps, medicaid, etc. I just didn’t think it was fair for me to do so, when I could work. I am nobody special, I just wanted to try and do the right thing.

di butler on November 24, 2008 at 10:18 pm

di: I believe you’re dealing with an angry teen here, and one with a decided lack of knowledge and an overabundance of arrogant rudeness.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 24, 2008 at 11:11 pm
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It’s kind of hard to argue with people who think the Clinton’s were the bad guys and not their critics or that Obama’s campaigns made fun of McCain’s war injuries. It shows a lack of lucidity and a frightening break with reality. Neither of those things is remotely true and only someone deranged would even state them. I mean, the conservatives couldn’t get to Clinton with Whitewater so settled on the extremely slimey tactic of blackmailing him over his personal sex life! That’s as low as men can get! There is absolutely nnothing lower than a group of men who would do that. I would LOVE to get those republicans under oath and start asking them about thei sex lives.

And dl, if you weren’t so obsessed with “people who are capable of holding a job but refuse to do so” I wouldn’t think you were so addled either. Who are these people you talk about? Every time a company announces they’re hiring 100 new UPS workers, 100 new baggage handlers or some other such event, 5000 people show up! Your kind can’t sleep at night worrying that someone, somewhere, perhaps a poor women with a couple of kids getting a few hundred bucks a month, is not lying naked and poor in the streets because you had to pay taxes. It shows a disturbing lack of compassion and humanity.

I honestly don’t know how conservatives can live with themselves but seeing the weird stuff posted about the aforementioned “Clintons as the bad guys” makes it more probable.

Dino on November 25, 2008 at 12:06 am
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Oh, and Chief? Congratulations on helping the less fortunate this holiday season.

You’ll be happy to know that the federal and state governments did the same thing much mor eefficiently and were able to reach millions more people than your earnest little church.

Say, how about we tell the Pentagon to hold a bake sale for their next operating budget? Or maybe we can get all the good church folk to go down to the local military base and volunteer their time to maintaining our dedicated men and women in uniform! That way it would be more meaningful, you know so that we aren’t forced to contribute to the military budget but do it out of the goodness of our hearts.

Dino on November 25, 2008 at 12:11 am

It’s kind of hard to argue with people who think the Clinton’s were the bad guys and not their critics or that Obama’s campaigns made fun of McCain’s war injuries.

Clinton was being sued by a woman he sexually harassed. HE helped write laws that let her sue him. In the course of “defending himself” he committed dozens of felonies. He put people in jail for doing far less than what he did. Then he had the gall to defend his criminal activity by blaming a “right wing conspiracy”. What bullshit.

And yes, the Obama campaign mocked McCain’s inabilities DUE TO HIS WAR INJURIES.

Even Biden criticized it as a terrible ad.

Disconnect with reality? You have no credibility to question my knowledge.

I mean, the conservatives couldn’t get to Clinton with Whitewater so settled on the extremely slimey tactic of blackmailing him over his personal sex life! That’s as low as men can get! There is absolutely nnothing lower than a group of men who would do that.

Which party wrote the sexual harassment laws, you clown?

I’m sincerely torn. I don’t think any woman should be able to sue any man for telling her to suck his dick, or “kiss it”, but Clinton helped enact the laws the led to his lawsuit. I have no sympathy for him. He made his bed…then he broke the law to keep from laying in it.

The Republican party didn’t blackmail him. He was sued by a private party. He was the frigging President. All he had to do was pay her off quietly (hell it wasn’t even his money) or admit to wrongdoing and pay her a lesser sum. Everybody loved Clinton, he would’ve been given a pass. Instead he dragged us thru a 3 ring circus that wasn’t even neccessary. And you’re proud he got off?

What kind of backwards sycophant are you? You CANNOT be a Clinton defender, then legitimately criticize another President EVER.

Your kind can’t sleep at night worrying that someone, somewhere, perhaps a poor women with a couple of kids getting a few hundred bucks a month, is not lying naked and poor in the streets because you had to pay taxes. It shows a disturbing lack of compassion and humanity.

Di’s kind spend their own hard earned money and time to help the less fortunate. People like you sit back doing nothing for others and crow about your accomplishments. So let’s look at your claim that the government is 85% of charity in America.

It’s not true.

As even Wikipedia notes, the vast majority of homeless shelters are privately run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_shelter

Any governmental funding comes from local government. Any federal assistance is minimal.

When you want to look at food, the Boy Scouts of America’s annual food drive rivals federal food stamp programs in aid to needy families. Most food pantries are stocked (depending on location) from 3-8 months based on the scouts alone.

Despite your rather self satisfied responses, it’s clear that the needy could survive without the federal government, but without private charity they’d die.

But people like you don’t care about how things actually work. You just want to feel self satisfied, without caring how actions affect people. Di’s contributions to charity have probably helped more needy people than the federal government.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on November 25, 2008 at 02:09 am

Di, you are wasting your time. Leftards like dino stand on their heads and tell the rest of the world it is upside down. Spewing lies and bullshit are all it has. Now it will link a bunch of leftarded crap screeching all the while that it is going to “remake America in a liberal moldblahblahblah”.

According to your precious government, dino, you are a selfish, greedy, ignorant little turd. Go argue your bullshit with it, cause you ain’t selling any of your bullshit here.


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2Hotel9 on November 25, 2008 at 03:55 am
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Paula Jones was white trash that the republicans promoted to get to Clinton. Not a bad deal for her, she ended up with a chocolate brown Mercedes, lots of plastic surgery and a mansion in LA.

So on the one hand you people think that all of your taxes go to poor people who don’t want to work and on the other hand you say that the majority of charitable giving is from private sources. Which is it? Whichever is convenient?

Most of the money given philanthropically is from the federal government. That includes corporate and private foundation giviing which is dwarfed by the federal government.

2hotel9, were you looking in a mirror when you wrote about a selfish, greedy turd? That’s what conservatism spawns.

Once again, it’s hard to argue with the kind of dementia that believes the Boy Scout food drive is larger than the food stamp program.

Dino on November 25, 2008 at 08:08 am

Its not bigger, stupid, it is simply legitimate. It is not the “governments” job to feed your nonworking ass. Keep pushing for your civil war, just remember to be careful what you wish for, for you will surely get it.


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2Hotel9 on November 25, 2008 at 08:31 am

It’s kind of hard to argue with people who think the Clinton’s were the bad guys and not their critics…

Somewhere, I hear Hillary shrieking about having the right to dissent…


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 08:44 am

...the extremely slimey tactic of
blackmailing him over his personal sex life!

Like you lefties did with Mark Foley?  He didn’t lie about it on national TV, did he?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 08:45 am

Since when is sexual harassment of an underling, sexual assault of govt employees, and rape considered a “sex life”?
That’s criminality.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 08:47 am

Say, how about we tell the Pentagon to hold a bake sale for their next operating budget?

National defense is a legitimate Constitutional function of govt; welfare is not.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 08:48 am

Dino, You are such a stupid idiot! You have no clue what organizations such as Mobile meals mean to individuals who really need it! Churches and other various organizations do so much every year for millions of people. You are such a stupid idiot! WHY on earth are you so intent that the only charity that is important is BIG Gov?  Welfare is corrupt! Did I mention what a stupid idiot you are?

Zsa Zsa on November 25, 2008 at 08:51 am

Most of the money given philanthropically is from the federal government.

One hundred percent of which is confiscated from the achievers in the private sector.  The govt creates no wealth; it just feeds off of the productive people in the private sector.
You don’t know what you’re talking about, angry teenager!


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 08:53 am
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Looks like robert has a bee in his bonnet today. Must be from all the disappointment over losing two major elections in a row and seeing his ideology put put out to pasture.

It’s over conservatives. you’ll not see power again for generations.

Dino on November 25, 2008 at 08:56 am

Looks like robert has a bee in his bonnet today.

Not really a counter argument.  You have yet to reply to any of the truth I have posted.  Of course, the facts are not on your side.  Your mindless dependence on leftie lying talking points is noted.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 09:12 am
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I wanted to as Cheif RZ if he has any idea how much food and shelter the mormons could have purchased for the poor with that $22 million PLUS they spent on Prop 8 in California?

I know how big-hearted and generous the Christian community is so wonder if they came anywhere near that close to spending on food and shelter for the poor.

Where exactly do the Christians’ spend their money? To what do they devote their largesse? Care to chime in DL, the generous lady from Georgia who sells metal roofing?

I think we all know the answer to that.

Dino on November 25, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Paula Jones was white trash that the republicans promoted to get to Clinton. Not a bad deal for her, she ended up with a chocolate brown Mercedes, lots of plastic surgery and a mansion in LA.

He did wrong. She sued him over it.
You’re so full of shit.

So on the one hand you people think that all of your taxes go to poor people who don’t want to work and on the other hand you say that the majority of charitable giving is from private sources. Which is it? Whichever is convenient?

You make a lot of claims without ever addressing my arguments. Most of my taxes go to funding a massive government beaurocracy. Out of all the things government wastes money on, food stamps are not on my radar. Even in welfare, medicare/medicaid, food stamps, etc, we spend 1 out of every 2 dollars on gov’t.

I don’t like that the governmental programs end up being a hand out instead of a temporary assistance program, and end up giving incentive to bad behavior, but I’m certainly not against helping where help is needed.

Though there is no question that the majority of charity is private and it’s much more efficient. I provided links. You just called me greedy.

You’re a moron and a jackass.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on November 25, 2008 at 03:49 pm

...but I’m certainly not against helping where help is needed.

That’s why all govt giveaway programs should include means testing.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 25, 2008 at 03:54 pm

Still no proof from the fake queer dino that government is the legitimate provider of sustenance for the “people”? why is that, fake homo?


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I wanted to as (sic) Cheif (sic) RZ if he has any idea how much food and shelter the mormons could have purchased for the poor with that $22 million PLUS they spent on Prop 8 in California?

You’re very selective in your outrage, aren’t you Dim-o?
How much food and shelter could have been purchased for the poor with the money spent to defeat Prop 8?


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Proof on November 25, 2008 at 09:15 pm
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Well, I don’t actually sell metal roofing myself, I own the businesses that I gave you the name of, plus two more. If you paid attention the other business in based in Wisconsin, and they both sell all kinds of building components. I only listed those because I didn’t appreciate being accused of being a hooker, a pretty nasty thing to say to someone you don’t know. I never said I didn’t want people who truly needed help to be refused. If you also read carefully, I said I had been in the position of being completely broke, with 2 teenagers, and no child support. I just don’t want the government giving out the money. Most of it doesn’t end up going to people who truly need it. You need to go down to a food stamp office and check out the cars that the people are driving that are there begging. Take a look at how most are dressed. I used to work next to a welfare office, I had a 3 yr old car that was nothing great, but o.k., and I had the crappiest car of everyone that came into the parking lot. I saw women dressed in designer clothes, their kids dressed in designer clothes, expensive sport shoes and designer purses, begging for food stamps. You’re o.k. with them getting your tax money? You couldn’t find a family that you know that needs help that you could take the tax money and give to them? And yes, I know that’s not what all tax money goes for. Please quit calling me stupid, I manage to do just fine in my own life and business.

di butler on November 26, 2008 at 12:40 am

di: A little advice; the vicious lefties here will use anything personal you tell them to attack you, because they never have facts, only personal attack.  There is also the possibility of cyberstalking.  Be careful.  You have nothing to prove to those morons, and it won’t make any difference to them, anyway.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 26, 2008 at 01:12 am

Di, “people” like dino especially love to harass people by using personal information to do all sorts of nasty things. dino has already told us that it does that to people in the Proposition 8 thread.


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2Hotel9 on November 26, 2008 at 04:06 am
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You guys are probably right. I really don’t care if he knows what I do, I am no threat to him, nor do I care who or what he is. I just get tired of people that lump all people they don’t know in category, and I guess people like him befuddle me. He got what he wanted, so he says, as far as his party being in control. So why is he so angry and vicious? Why does he care that we disagree with him?? I guess I just don’t get it. Plus, if you look at my businesses, I am not listed anywhere on the websites, no phone numbers or personal addresses. The people at the offices don’t have my personal number, they get me by fax or web. I had to learn how to do that stuff because I was stalked by my ex. Thanks for looking out for me.

di butler on November 26, 2008 at 11:31 am

di: It’s a mistake to attribute logic or common sense to hate-filled lefties.  The reason they’re still hatin’ after the election is that it’s what they do.  As with terrorists, victory emboldens them, which is why we should never cut and run from either terrorists or hate-filled lefties.  Expect more leftie hate and racism after this “historic” election, not less.  Sane people enjoy their victories, and tend to be magnanimous, haters just hate more.
Take care of yourself.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 26, 2008 at 11:34 am

R108-

Once again, you hit the nail on the head.

Good psych-eval of the troll-called-Dino.

I will, however, come to Dino’s defense in a small way.

2H9—You think he’s a fake homo?

I suspect that he really is a homo.  The very same tongue that he wags at you, or uses to propel vitriol, has likely committed unspeakable acts.

Because his rage would make more sense.

Psychologically, he has the wolf by the ears. 

He cannot afford to back off the assault one moment, because a moment taken to pause and reflect on the monstrosity of his foul deeds would open him up to consuming self-loathing and hatred.

Hence his need to attack not the facts of his opponents (since the facts are unassailable) but to to create in his mind the illusion that his opponents are evil and worthy of hate—thus their arguments are without merit.

Psychological self-defense for the psychotic.


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Move_Zig on November 26, 2008 at 12:15 pm

It just don’t sound right, at worst it is bisexual.


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2Hotel9 on November 26, 2008 at 02:07 pm
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Religious shelter gives homeless a place to stay without giving out his personal informations. 

Gov’t shelter make them take responsiblities, by giving them disability check and such, make them live in a home where they hardly can keep responsibilities (on the street, you don’t have to worry about responsiblities) . Or put them in a rehab or institution against their will. Religious shelter don’t pressure them to do any of that. just offer a place to sleep and eat.. and hear the gospel for their souls in case they die.

deafgurl77 on November 27, 2008 at 08:53 am
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you people who don’t know any better need to shut the f*#k up. i had to excape one of these church prison’s. one nite about 1am after a couple of day of wondering why a fryers of Padre Pia catholic church in the Bronx was kelped records on each inmate/homeless resident.  after i say them looking at theserecord i decides it not a good place for me.also the friars give out task to each resident who stay there on any given night but for some reason they gave me the same task everynite for month. a task that kelp me in the dinning room long after all the other residents finished there chores. i lost money, clothing and records of my account of the time i was homeless. records that i had intended to use to help others navigate there way out of the homeless system.. i have came to the conclusion that there are people that are being blacklisted in this system and the are hiding them behind massive numbers the the real homeless people. i believe that the Catholic Church is in full cooperation with what is going on behind there doors.  after jumping this 8 to 9 foot high fence with all my belonging and a NYPD PATROLMAN LOOKING AND PASSING ME WITH CAR AT THE TIME THE FRIAR WHO WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ON DUTY IN CASE OF EMERGENCY AND OR UNLOCK THE PAD LOCK GATES TO LET ME OUT.he just looked at me out of a windor of another biulding where he wasn’t suppose to be at the time. he had to have seen me trying to get out of the compound and ring door bell and checking all the ways out that was locked.i was trying to leave for almost 1hr and 15minute before i jumped the fence. this friar would only speak latin when i was listening or reading his lips(i’m hearing impaired) so i couldn’t understand him. wrote the U.S attorneys Office about what had happen in full detail. thing that i didn’t put in this text.the didnt get back to me. this is a system designed IN PART by 2 POLICING AGENCIES the NYPD AND ACS. THIS SYSTEM HOLD ON TO THERE SUSPECTS AND NEVER LET THEM GO UNTIL THERE IS A COURT CASE AGAINST THEM…THERE IS A CASE YOU CAN US FOR REF..  St kevins in Queens WHERE THE REVEREND GOT HIS CHURCH set on fire AND GOT HIS BUT KICK AFTER THE BLACKLISTED MAN GOT OUT OF JAIL and can back to get him.  AMNEWYORK PRESS. if you don’t know the people that are being blacklisted by acs are suspected PEDOPHILES.. DON’T ANY OF YOU REALIZE THERE ARE YOUTH PROGRAMS AT THESE CHURCHES. THIS SYSTEM IS USING YOUR KIDS AS BATE!  CREATE A NEW SYSTEM NOW! A COURT ONCE ORDERED THESE PEOPLE TO STOP INCARSERATING THE HOMELESS WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT DOING LOOKIN THE HOMELESS UP AT NIGHT IN WARD ISLAND HOMESS SHELTERED BEFORE THUS CREATING THIS HIDDEN ON! THERE USING KIDS AS BATE PEOPLE!!  KIDS!

homeess man who had to excape ! on March 22, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Ah, look! Another illiterate fucking asshole screeching for socialism. Hey, homeees? Fuck you, you anti-American fucking asshole fuck baby.


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