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Monday, October 06, 2008

New McCain Ad Hits Obama On “Troops Killing Civillians” Remark, Calls Him “Dishonorable”

Ouch.

I think McCain’s hitting on Democrats for voting against funding for Iraq is a particularly good point.  Obama has defended himself by pointing out that the Iraq funding was part of a larger bill that had elements in it he didn’t like.  Which is a valid point, but it’s worth noting that his Democrats were in the majority during those votes.  His Democrat leadership in the Senate and the House were the ones flirting with the “cut off the funding” strategy.

If Obama didn’t agree with cutting off the funds for the troops he should have spoken up, as Joe Lieberman did.

Unfortunately, far from being a “change” candidate, Obama is a party-line liberal.

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"You can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just recreate yourself. You can’t just reinvent yourself. The American people aren’t stupid.”

Who said it?

Yep, more words of wisdom from that holy man of hypocrisy, the high priest of Hopenchange, Barack Hussein Obama.

To differentiate between Obama and his facade, the logical place to start is his record of legislative accomplishments.

But Barack Obama has no such record. So, we resort to that old English proverb, “You can judge a man by the company he keeps.”

On the short list of ignoble Leftist radicals and hoodlums with whom Obama has maintained more than a passing acquaintance (aside from Kennedy and Kerry) would be Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Tony Rezko, the ACORN crowd, Richard Daley, Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Khalid al-Mansour, Kwame Kilpatrick, Jimmy Carter, Rashid Khalidi and, who am I leaving out ... oh, yeah, that radical in the red dress, Michelle Obama.

All Hate-America anti-U.S.military misfit marxists.

Joel on October 6, 2008 at 07:40 am

I think McCain’s hitting on Democrats for voting against funding for Iraq is a particularly good point.

This is typical of the bullshit found in the media which reports McCain’s attacks on Obama regarding the troop funding issue without noting that McCain has himself similarly voted against funding.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806040002

McCain had better watch his step. If he resorts to a Swiftboat 2 campaign, the left could fire back with “shady” aspects of his POW history and how he “betrayed” his country. As he himself said “I failed by fellow prisoners, I failed my family, and I failed my country.” Obama has the decency to refrain from exploiting that issue. But nothing prevents his surrogates from using it if the McCain campaign stoops too low in its smears against Obama. It’s a tricky poker game McCain is playing and his opponent’s campaign people might yet pull out this ace in the hole. Johnny might heed Kenny Rogers’ advice and make sure he folds his smear cards if he doesn’t have a really good hand:

Every gambler knows
The secret to surviving
Is knowing what to throw away
Knowing what to keep

If you can’t play the game boy
You got to learn to play it right
You got to know when to hold them
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
Know when to run

Oswaldo on October 6, 2008 at 08:44 am
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...Obama regarding the troop funding issue without noting that McCain has himself similarly voted against funding.

- Oswaldo

Oh really?

From the link Oswaldo provided:

None pointed out that on March 29, 2007, McCain himself voted against H.R. 1591, an emergency spending bill that would have funded the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and would have provided more than $1 billion in additional funds to the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Senate passed H.R. 1591 by a margin of 51-47. Once the bill’s conference report was agreed to by the House, the Senate again passed the measure on April 26, 2007, by a vote of 51-46. McCain did not vote on that version of the bill. By contrast, Obama voted for it on both occasions. President Bush vetoed the bill, citing its provision for a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Similar, Oswaldo? 

You wouldn’t be just making shit up, would you?

You do understand what similar means, right?

Bullwinkle on October 6, 2008 at 09:49 am

You wouldn’t be just making shit up, would you?

Immaterial remarks. The real point is McCain’s smear campaign. Though I’m not really concerned because every time he and his Barbie Doll make public statements with adolescent lies against Obama, Barack goes up in the polls. I’m anxious to see the new stunts McCain has planned for the Tuesday Oct 7 debate. If he comes across as the lying, quibbling, pathetic loser he is, with no valid arguments for his election except smears and worn-out slogans, America will be taking note. Americans are tired of being taken for gullible fools, which is what the Republican Party has grounded its entire campaign on since it worked for Bush.

DixieKaren on October 6, 2008 at 11:59 am
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Immaterial remarks. The real point is McCain’s smear campaign…
Though I’m not really concerned because every time he and his Barbie Doll make public statements with adolescent lies against Obama

- Dixie Karen

Immaterial? Oswaldo lies about McCain’s voting record and someone correcting him is immaterial?

Isn’t Oswaldo conducting a smear campain when he lies about McCain’s voting record?

McCain and his ‘Barbie Doll’ are making adolescent lies about Obama?

You really think so on both counts?

It sure looks like you and Oswald are the ones telling adolescent lies.

How adult is it for you to refer to Governor Palin as ‘Barbie Doll’?

Were you reminded of Barbie when your mom told to pick up your toys?

How old are you, 6?

Bullwinkle on October 6, 2008 at 01:02 pm

McCain had better watch his step. If he resorts to a Swiftboat 2 campaign, the left could fire back with “shady” aspects of his POW history and how he “betrayed” his country. As he himself said “I failed by fellow prisoners, I failed my family, and I failed my country.”

Oswaldo,

Are you quite sure you want to start this discussion again?  The last time you brought up the question of “Swiftboating” you got your ass handed to you.

Obama has the decency to refrain from exploiting that issue. But nothing prevents his surrogates from using it if the McCain campaign stoops too low in its smears against Obama.

Obama is not constrained by decency at all, but by the fact that the last thing he needs is for people to remember McCain’s heroism… and his honesty in admitting that he “cracked” under the pressure of severe, life-threatening injuries and sever, life-threatening torture at the hands of his captors.

It is interesting, however, that you would witlessly acknowledge just how low Obama’s “surrogates” will stoop, needlessly reinforcing out opinion of y’all.

Finally, I’d be interested to hear exactly what it is you and the rest of the Obama lemmings consider a “smear.” Does your master’s association with Rev. Wright count as one?  How about Bill Ayers?  Is it a “smear” to point out the emptiness of Obama’s rhetoric, or his irrational and dishonest tax and economic policy proposals?  His lack of any pertinent executive experience?  His long-term relationship with the fraudulent ACORN?

Please, take a moment and enlighten us?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on October 6, 2008 at 01:23 pm
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How come we are not able to speak about when our troops conduct air raids and kill civilians?  Why is it off limits?  If I remember correctly Obama made this comment after we bombed a wedding.  Obama’s point was he wanted to get them more troops and more funding so they could conduct better missions.

Hawk on October 6, 2008 at 02:59 pm

Finally, I’d be interested to hear exactly what it is you and the rest of the Obama lemmings consider a “smear.” Does your master’s association with Rev. Wright count as one?  How about Bill Ayers?  Is it a “smear” to point out the emptiness of Obama’s rhetoric, or his irrational and dishonest tax and economic policy proposals?  His lack of any pertinent executive experience?  His long-term relationship with the fraudulent ACORN?
Please, take a moment and enlighten us?

Yes, his association with Rev. Write counts as a smear, because the Republicans are trying to float the impression that Obama shares Wright’s reckless statements, when they know full well that he doesn’t.

The same applies to Ayers. Yes it is smearing to suggest that Obama likes the idea of somebody wanting to bomb America, which a manifestly false electioneering.
As concerns his tax and economic proposals, please knock off the bullshit. Both candidates want to look better than the other guy when, in fact, there is very little difference between what they offer.

As regards ACORN. It is a respectable organization.

I have already documented elsewhere the extensiveness of Republican registration fraud and the lies they are spreading about ACORN because it represents a source of new lower-income voter registrations that Republicans fear will favor the Democrats.
You can’t go on lying in the hope that Americans are too dumb to know the difference. This is going to blow up in your face with a landslide victory for Obama in November.

But as I said before, if you push your lying and smearing too far, you are offering the Obama campaign an invitation to retaliate with the same techniques.

Obama is not constrained by decency at all, but by the fact that the last
thing he needs is for people to remember McCain’s heroism… and his
honesty in admitting that he “cracked” under the pressure of severe,
life-threatening injuries and sever, life-threatening torture at the hands
of his captors

.

Here is an example (note that I do not share these views, nor do I approve their use) of how Democrats could retaliate if provoked with gutter politics:

Cracked under pressure? Heroism? You mean he betrayed his country because he was afraid of torture or in exchange for comfort. I’m not the one who would be directing a campaign path questioning McCain’s POW experience, but I think it would be easy for Obama surrogates to focus on the cowardice of a lying sack of shit who betrayed his country; who was known in Vietnam as the Songbird

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because of how he spilled his guts to the enemy,
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giving military secrets to the communists and signing a confession in which he “admitted” (“I failed my fellow prisoners, I failed myself, I failed my country”) that America was engaged in the deliberate bombing of innocent civilians.

I repeat, you can defend Republican falsehoods and exaggerations as much as you like, just don’t start crying when the same tactics are used against McCain. Once you start, it becomes “No Holds Barred.”

Oswaldo on October 6, 2008 at 04:40 pm

Oswaldo,

I can only wish that you had some sort of real influence within Democrat Party circles, or the Obama campaign.  Your threats, like those of any would-be bully, are pathetic, pointless, and modestly amusing.

Joe Biden may well be the most personable nitwit to run for vice president, and not even he, with all his gaffes, his misstatement, and his outright lies and fabrications, not even Biden is not stupid enough to attack McCAin over his military service or his time as a POW.

You, on the other hand, and your mentally dysfunctional fellow travelers, aren’t nearly as bright, or as clever, as your hapless VP candidate.

That you self-styled “progressives” get your thongs athwart at the mention of Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright or Billy “the bomber” Ayers, or the far left’s voter fraud department, ACORN, for which Obama worked as both a “community organizer” and as an attorney, tells me that those associations are too close for comfort.  For if not, there would be no reason to hide the documentation on Obama’s time at the Wood Foundation and the Annenberg-Chicago Challenge, which appears to have been little more than an elaborate and successful job of preemptively building a political base by pilfering foundation funds.

So bring it on, mouth!  Yours is not a particularly admirable track record, in these disputes as I’ve pointed out.  Anyone who regards George Soros’ Media Matters as an authoritative source just isn’t gong to be taken very seriously by serious, rational adults.  But go ahead.  Give it a shot.  The pity is the rest of the Democrats aren’t nearly as stupid… but then again, maybe they are after all.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on October 6, 2008 at 08:38 pm
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As regards ACORN. It is a respectable organization.

- Oswaldo, metally bankrupt lying Leftist

Really?

Respectable?

NOT BY ANY SANE DEFINITION OF RESPECTABLE.

Bullwinkle on October 6, 2008 at 09:57 pm
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“ACORN routinely says it will clean up its act. Yet, given its decade-long history of voter fraud, embezzlement, and misuses of taxpayer funds, ACORN’s pattern of fraud can no longer be dismissed as a series of ‘unfortunate events.’

“The problem of voter registration fraud raises serious questions for this committee, and the Consumers Rights League appreciates that the right questions are being asked.
“Here are the most important questions right now: We know about the thousands of potentially fraudulent voter registration cards turned in by ACORN and caught by officials. But given the size of ACORN’s efforts and the fact that the abuses appear to be systemic, we believe it is fair to question how many more fraudulent registrations have not been discovered, Furthermore, as this mega organization with a decades long history of violating the law is turned to get out the vote efforts, we believe it is fair to question how many fraudulent registrations may lead to fraudulent votes or what other activities they are willing to undertake to influence the election.

Yet, given its decade-long history of voter fraud, embezzlement, and misuses of taxpayer funds, ACORN’s pattern of fraud can no longer be dismissed...
and still Oswaldo says ACORN is respecable. I don’t think he knows the meaning of the word.

Bullwinkle on October 6, 2008 at 10:13 pm

BullStuff, you don’t convince anyone with your links to right-wing blogs.

“The increased Republican attacks on voter registration groups comes as many states across the country are approaching the close of voter registration for the November election. In Florida, for example, registration closes on Monday, October 6th.”
AS REGARDS RIGHTWING ANTI-ACORN EXAGGERATIONS AND OUTRIGHT LIES:

“The big picture is [that] this is a Republican and McCain strategy to go after voter groups,” said Brian Kettenring, head organizer of Florida click for GOP LIES , who said he has spent the past several days dealing with members of the media who are reacting to the GOP charges. He noted that the Seminole County Supervisor of Elections, Mike Ertel, has said that only two voter applications out of thousands submitted in 2008 are questionable and that the county’s process to review these forms is working

ACORN officials said it was ironic, but predictable, that the GOP would accuse ACORN of voter fraud over isolated incidents, such as two questionable voter applications, while promoting state laws and bureaucratic policies that have disenfranchised 1000s of voters over the same issue: improperly filled-out forms

Kettenring said the attack on ACORN is covering up the a broader effort by the GOP to disenfranchise Florida voters. Most notably, the Republican Secretary of State, Kurt Browning, recently has said he will be enforcing a law where voter applications will be rejected if the spelling of names does not match other state databases.

Oswaldo on October 7, 2008 at 06:41 am

ACORN officials said it was ironic, but predictable, that the GOP would accuse ACORN of voter fraud over isolated incidents, such as two questionable voter applications…

A truly laughable bit of world-class understatement!  With documented voter registration fraud cases under investigation in 15 states, from Pennsylvania to Washington, the question is which states has ACORN been active in where there has NOT been voter registration fraud?

These are certainly not “isolated incidents” as the lemmings would have us believe, but rather a deliberate, nationwide, systematic attempt to defraud legitimate voters in every state in which ACORN operates.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on October 7, 2008 at 07:39 am

A truly laughable bit of world-class understatement!  With documented voter registration fraud cases under investigation in 15 states, from Pennsylvania to Washington, the question is which states has ACORN been active in where there has NOT been voter registration fraud?

I’ll reply to that a la R108: you are a liar! Nothing but lies. Right R108?

Oswaldo on October 9, 2008 at 09:18 pm
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Congresses main tool to end the war is to cut funding, thereby forcing Bush to bring the troops home.  The idea that Obama is “dangerous and irresponsible” by not funding the troops is only valid if you assume that Bush is insane and would leave the troops there with no bullets.  In truth this was vote on ending the war.  To pretend that it was a vote to leave the soldiers in Iraq with no bullets is a complete distortion of the truth. 

Many Democrats go wimpy on this issue because they knew Republics would spin a “no” vote (so they voted “yes” for funding).  This war has gone on with 5000 US dead and 700 Billion cost because politicians were afraid that a “no funding” would look bad when they went for re-election.  They were afraid of this exact type of ad - Obama was not afraid.

The tricky part is if you ask most Americans if they want to “end the War in Iraq now” most say “YES”
If you re-phrase the question “Do you want to stop funding the troops” most say “NO”
The question is essentially the same.  Congress power to act has always been in its power to approve or disapprove funds.

tebo on October 23, 2008 at 03:19 pm

Oswaldo the vote fraud supporter says, As regards ACORN. It is a respectable organization.

Most don’t consider hundreds of thousands of fraudulent voter registrations to be “respectable”.

Your dishonest strategy doesn’t fool us and that angers you. As if we were the wrong ones for not supporting your third world tactics.

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As regards ACORN. It is a respectable organization.

Possibly in the sense that Bill Ayers respects Sirhan Sirhan, or Obama respects Louis Farrakhan, Oswaldo respects ACORN?



Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!


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