New EPA Rules To Make Cars Thousands Of Dollars More Expensive

The EPA is preparing another massive hike in the federal government’s Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, standard. This rule mandates that vehicles sold in America get a certain number of miles per gallon.

The Obama administration has issued a directive that the CAFE standard, currently at 35mpg, be increased dramatically over the next decade and the EPA is complying, to the chagrin of the American consumer.

At the Washington Examiner they’re calling this the individual mandate for Chevy Volts:

The new rule — issued in response to a 2010 Obama directive, not to specific legislation passed by Congress — would require automakers to achieve a 40.9 mpg CAFE average by 2021 and 54.5 mpg by 2025. In case you’re wondering whatever happened to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, it has been supplanted in the CAFE process by the EPA. The proposed regulation was designed, according to the EPA, “to preserve consumer choice — that is, the proposed standards should not affect consumers’ opportunity to purchase the size of vehicle with the performance, utility and safety features that meets their needs.” But the reality is that consumer choice will be the first victim.

Getting from the current 35 mpg CAFE standard to 54.5 can be achieved by such expedients as making air conditioning systems work more efficiently. We have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to anybody who thinks that’s even remotely realistic. There is one primary method of increasing fuel economy — weight reduction. That in turn means automakers will have to use much more exotic materials, including especially the petroleum-processing byproduct known as “plastic.” But using more plastic will make it much more difficult to satisfy current federal safety standards. The bottom-line will be much more expensive vehicles and dramatically fewer kinds of vehicles.

The average price of a new vehicle will go up at least $3,200, according to NHTSA, but experts outside government such as the National Automobile Dealers Association say the cost will be substantially higher. The U.S. Energy Information Administration projects that there will be no vehicles costing $15,000 or less, the segment of the market that college students and low-income consumers depend upon. Altogether, an estimated seven million buyers will be forced out of the market for new cars.

It seems that, in our modern economy, the most important factor in manufacturing is not pleasing the consumers by giving them what they want but complying with government regulations born of the ideas politicians have for what consumers should want.

Which kind of makes you wonder if we’re still a free country when we can’t buy the kind or car we want. Or the kind of light bulb we want. Etc., etc.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • mickey_moussaoui

    Barry is just creating a greater gap between “the haves and the have nots”, exemplifying his (Democrat) class war strategy for long term control over the serf populace.

    I would like to see a politician come in and lay off 1/3
    of the bureaucrats in agencies like the EPA, beginning with management and moving UP the ladder. That might give these pencil pushing leftists a dose of reality when it comes to practical environmental applications.

    We can’t rebuild this nation with asinine hurdles put in
    the way at inappropriate junctures in our recovery cycle. Get America working first, then make all the changes you want when it hurts less.
    China is kicking ass because they don’t have to deal with liberal Democrat bureaucrats.

    • $8194357

      The heavy hand of government should be kept off its people as the Constituion said…Limited Federal powers.

  • mikemc1970

    A population that walks is much easier to control than one that is independently mobile.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      China is “walking” all over us

      • $8194357

        They aren’t “hamstrung” by the EPA…

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Are you saying Cars in China aren’t fuel efficient, they are all SUV’s and Hummer’s?

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          I’ve seen pictures & videos of automobile shows in China.  Didn’t see anything remotely like an economy car.  Not even a rickshaw.

          • $8194357

            Most of the class of folks being “ruled over” in the pctures I have seen rode ox carts, bike or moter cycles, but then I don’t get out much flame…

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob
          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            One car in the whole show?  Never said I’d seen everything in all of them.  But big cars sure dominate.

            Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8BfrIbBgQ

          • Ratbite

            Bob looks like they’re making one for my right food. Now do they have one for my left foot too cuz there’s no way this 6’4″ guys is gonna fit in one of those match boxes.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            This 6′ 3″ guy 215lbs guy wouldn’t fit in one either.

          • badlands4

            At 6’1″, my dh is the shortie compared to the two of you but the few times he has tried to fold himself into a small, fuel efficient car it has been more entertaining than going to the Circus.

            The last time he did the small car pretzel twisting, I couldn’t stop snickering. He said “you find this funny don’t you” I said ‘yes, yes absolutely  do and could you do it again”

            Maybe compact cars are worth their cost and lack of safety just to watch tall men try and fit themselves into them ;)

  • Daryn Rabbe

    Fascism.

  • WOOF

    If Newt can put a colony on the moon, we can have 54 mpg cars.
    The troglodytes wailed about seat belts too.

    • donwalk

      Said “Woof” as he fastened his seat belt in his new Chevy Volt?

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        The seat belt in the volt is to help keep body parts from flying around and hitting pedestrians during the collisions.

        • $8194357

          Even in my 3/4 ton 4×4 we don’t stand much of a chance against all the semi’s that now out number cars in western ND about 8 to 1…

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            I would hope that the 18-wheeler truck drivers are required to check their tires periodically to see if there are any Volts stuck in the treads.

          • $8194357

            Yeah…More mandetory Federal regulations and permits required to regulate and pay for the new dept created to “oversee” this part of the government plantation that was an “unitended consequnce” of “previous legislative efforts”….Yeah, we need more laws and regulations. (sarc)

          • badlands4

            We made sure, whether they wanted one or not(they did), that each of our kids bought a suv when they purchased their vehicles. Hoping it gives them a fighting chance against the semi’s who seem to think that BOTH lanes of traffic belong to them.

            We have a huge pick-up with a lift. It doesn’t seem to matter. We were on 85 two weeks ago and a semi came so close that it damaged the side of our  truck with the bottom of his side mirror and almost damaged the suv behind us. He didn’t  slow down. I am not sure he even realized he hit us. The road was so clogged we couldn’t turn around and he was just one in a line of 4. It was impossible to tell which of the four semi’s hit us as they were all the same color. I cannot imagine what would have happened had we been in a small “fuel efficient” car. I know it wouldn’t have been pretty…for us.

             

          • $8194357

            I hear ya badlands..I haven’t been down 85 for a spell but travel almost daily on both 2 and 8…Crazy. Last summer when they were revamping 8 was like something out of a crazy movie…
            God Bless and Keep you now, hear?

        • donwalk

          Thank you, I thought it was to keep you in your place while the Chevy Volt was on fire! Don’t know what the world would do without your guidance?
          Now that you have had your attempt to sidetrack to sonething that wasn’t being discussed, try getting back on the subject in the article.

          Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: New EPA Rules To Make Cars Thousands Of Dollars More Expensive

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            WTF are you talking about?  Half or more of the comments are, strictly speaking, “off topic,” as is the case with all the postings that have ever been done on SAB.  Report me to Rob so he can laugh his ass off.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      Honestly, stfu you American freedom hating jackass. No
      one is saying that we should NEVER up the CAFE standards. The point is that
      this is a bad time to punish everyone simply to appease the tree hugging
      leftists that think everyone should live like a filthy hippie to be happy. You
      are the economic Luddite here.

  • Daryn Rabbe

    Reagan was right-on with his quote, but it needs a conclusion to complete the full picture.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” When it’s totally immobile, take it over.

  • Guest

    It’s been going on since the late 60’s and early 70’s just in case you forgot

    • $8194357

      Slow totalitarian statist mission creep.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        A KGB agent who defected said that the process was going faster than the Soviets ever dreamed.

        • $8194357

          I read an article awhile back flame supporting your last statement. Showed a Russian accademics map of the New Regional countries( submissive soviet satelights) that the former USA was going to be divided into.
          No longer would DC be ” the supreme soviet” in America but DC itself would be a “central steering commitee caucus” in submission to the UN while the “Reginal soviets” like all good ponzis would come in under DC to keep the wealth and decision making control flowing up to the “international supreme soviet”…They been at it for at least 100 years that I know of and have researched but some like yourself have studied it longer and farther back then I have….

  • awfulorv

    How long before these ( insert your own) insist the mileage be derived from using Grey water as a propellant?

  • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

    This all by design. Elites don’t want the masses owning private transportation. Will Obama’s parade of big black SUVs get 54.5 MPG?

    • $8194357

      The aforementioned standards as all standards set for the masses does not and never have applied to leftist elietists.

  • $8194357

    Der Fuher said: “You will drive Volkswagon” and Volkswagon was…..
    Oh wait that was in Genisis when God said: “Light be, and light was.”
    Forgot who was seperating the light from the darkness these days….

  • banjo kid

    The goal is one world government which will happen .

    • awfulorv

      Only question is how will they pay for it?  

      • Camsaure

        The real question is how will WE pay for it.

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          Slave labor … oh wait …

      • $8194357

        The way they always have…Make the current “target” pay for their own demise..

      • banjo kid

        Check out Flamemeisters post . he has the answer .

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      It will never happen, but there will be one helluva bloodbath involved in the attempts.

      • Daryn Rabbe
        • Daryn Rabbe
          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            The eyes-ah
            The Messiah.

            He knows when you are sleeping;
            He knows when you’re awake;
            He knows if you’ve been good or bad;
            So be good for Hussein’s sake!

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          “Routine encounters with police can turn violent
          “at the drop of a hat,” said Stuart McArthur, deputy assistant director
          in the FBI’s counterterrorism division.”

          I just took one of my hats off the rack & dropped it.  Watch for it on the evening news!

          “Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for
          white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18
          each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.”

          Uff da!  Widespread open revolt!!!

          • Daryn Rabbe

            I’m assuming the feds are intentionally being alarmist in order to ward-off any potential Montana Freemen, Waco or Posse Comitatus movements early.

            Nonetheless, i still dislike the recent government trend in labeling Americans with terms like “extremist” or  “terrorists.”

            Sorta acts to stoke the flames of animosity & division even further IMO. 

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Put this together with fast & furious & the increasing arming of regulatory agencies & it looks to me like propaganda coinciding with a poised-to-act government-backed police force as is typically found in dictatorships.

          • Daryn Rabbe

            Frome the Drone article i posted:

            “All of this is conscious and intentional,” said author and columnist Paul Craig Roberts. “They are putting in place a method of controlling a population that may be unemployed, hungry or very angry and I think the state and local police are not just militarized, but they are being federalized.”

            “What happens now is that the agencies keep using more and more of these to justify their existence,” Celente told RT. “Then they say, we need this to crack down on drugs, we need these because there are a lot of robberies in this neighborhood.”
            “The United States is not only now a military industrial complex. It is a Homeland Security complex. They have merged into one,”

          • 2hotel9

            Yep, divide. That is the tactic Leftists always use against anyone who refuses to submit to their anti-human ideology.

        • 2hotel9

          Yes, the Occupados movement, and Islamic Extremists, both of whom keep screeching that they are going to destroy America and its government, are threats.  Wonder why FBI/DHS refuse to go after the actual enemies, instead attacking Americans who want the Federal Government to be returned to the limits and strictures the US Constitution dictates it be within? Hmmmm, Leftist Ideology, perhaps?

          • Daryn Rabbe

            Funny too how our own borders are of little/no concern while nearly everyone’s else’s overseas are. 

            In our world, American patriots like Patrick Henry, Jefferson & Paine are considered the extremist equivilants to the Taliban & Al Quada. Perhaps even moresoe. 

  • banjo kid

    Not to say we should not do  everything we can to stop it.

  • WOOF

    54 mpg is no big deal.
    Memories of the 80’s and my 50 mpg
    VW Rabbit, 5speed, diesel pick up.
     

  • mickey_moussaoui

    And what do you drive now jackass?

    • WOOF

       Jackass like you I let bray, I don’t drive ‘em.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Guess you got zinged by mm, eh?  Hah!

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Conservatives don’t want Americans to be able to travel around efficiently.  They want them to be stuck at home, not able to afford gas, eating puffed cheese, drinking coke and getting fat so a doctor can profit off their lethargic carcass, while subjecting others to the free market death panels.

    • 2hotel9

      More lies and sh*t spew from tranni:TheSh*tSpewingLiar.

      • $8194357

        How Alinsky was that trannitized B/S?  Blame your opposition of what you yourselves been doing all along….Who are the real racist social enginering “control freaks”. those who support Constituional individual freedoms and liberties, or statist divide and conqure soviet satelight nation builders out of group or cause? What retarded dip wads these leftist appoligists really are…

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      Your projection and mindless babble are duly noted.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        If only it weren’t true.  But the sad fact is Conservatives want Americans at home, unable to afford traveling in their gas guzzling SUVs, so they can sit at home watching their 3 flat screen TV’s, that were made in Communist China, playing video games and getting fat.

        Conservatives don’t profit unless Americans are hurting.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          Yet more projection and mind drool from the Tiki Twerp. Do you get paid by the word, Midget Dwarf?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Why don’t you want cars that provide more miles to the gallon, Poof?  Are you going to give me some other stupid argument that they don’t need to drive on public roads, or something brilliant like that, again?

            Face it.  Conservatives think Americans who chose Hummer’s because of their Freedumb is a brilliant idea.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            As usual, Dimwitted Dwarf, you make a false equivalence. The alternative to not wanting arbitrary government mandates is not an opposition to cars with greater gas mileage.

            When engineering innovation causes better gas mileage, it is a good thing. Unfortunately, government fiat (pun intended) cannot produce, on demand, engineering innovation. And the laws of nature and of physics being fixed, compliance with arbitrary CAFE standards usually  causes automakers to build lighter and lighter cars, which result in greater fatalities.

            Of course the wealthy and politicians (but I repeat myself) will not have to risk life and limb in an undersized, light weight automobile as most of the population will, so what do they care what the fatality rate is? Sound like the kind of callous calculation the “evil” Ford executives allegedly did with their Pintos?

            But, lead the way little Willie! Show your love for the planet by making that 3-4 mile commute into downtown Honolulu every morning in a Smart car or a Chevy Cruze. Or you could continue to face the grueling torture of single digit miles of paved roads in your 4×4 truck the way you do now.

            Hypocrite much, Hanni?

            I go into much more graphic detail in:
            “Welcome to the CAFE of Death. My name is Barry, I’ll be your Waitperson”, published last July. The picture alone is worth a thousand words as to why I oppose arbitrary CAFE standards. http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2011/07/welcome-to-cafe-of-death-my-name-is.html

            Another example below:
            http://oi44.tinypic.com/2e55v20.jpg

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You should have stuck to being the class clown, Poofy.  You are incorrect that lighter cars are more dangerous than heavy cars.  Please support your claim with current evidence:

            Understanding why the driver was not hurt is central to debunking a
            common myth about the relative safety of large vehicles. The body of his
            race car was constructed of carbon-fiber composites, which are one-fifth
            the weight of steel but just as strong and stiff. Designed to protect
            the driver in case of a violent collision, the car used 100% ethanol, a
            high-octane, clean-burning and renewable fuel that reduces air pollution
            and enhances racing’s carbon footprint.

            Except for extraordinary speed and limited passenger space, today’s
            racecar provides a glimpse into the future for ordinary cars. The
            increasing cost of oil suggests that tomorrow’s five-passenger vehicles
            will be smaller and lighter and will get more miles per gallon of fuel,
            which likely will include ethanol made from biomass. Despite the cost
            savings, many Americans are concerned that lighter cars represent a
            compromise of safety now present in heavier vehicles such as pickup
            trucks and sport utility vehicles.

            To
            encourage a reduction of gasoline consumption nationwide, the U.S.
            government has mandated that by 2030 about 30% of the gasoline typically
            used for personal transportation must be replaced by a biofuel such as
            ethanol. The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 calls for an
            increase in corporate average fuel economy standards for cars, trucks
            and heavy-duty vehicles, from 27 miles per gallon to 35 mpg by 2020.

            http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/v41_3_08/article14.shtml

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “You are incorrect that lighter cars are more dangerous than heavy cars.”

            Please tell that to the drivers of the cars in the two pictures. Or did your inability to follow links (or find your arse with both hands) prevent you from reading the post I linked to?

            edmunds.com :
            “The cold hard facts show that smaller, lighter cars are generally less safe than larger, heavier cars.”

            “According to the IIHS figures, there were 96 fatalities per million registered vehicles for the small car category. That figure drops to 62 fatalities for the midsize class of cars and 64 per million for large sedans.”

            The two highest fatality rates are for small cars and small pickups.
            http://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/are-smaller-cars-as-safe-as-large-cars.html?articleid=106748

            No data is currently available for small minded, small midget dwarfs.

            CAFE Standards Kill: Congress’ Regulatory Solution to Foreign Oil Dependence Comes at a Steep Price
            http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA546CAFEStandards.html

            There’s more, but they’re mostly in English, with few pictures, so you probably won’t read or comprehend them.

          • 2hotel9

            Again, tranni, simply repeating lies does not make them true, it just makes you a liar, still.

        • 2hotel9

          More sh*t spew and lies from tranni:TheLyingSh*tSpewer.

  • 2hotel9

    Sales of older vehicles are rising, while sales of new vehicles are stagnant. Unintended what?

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      I believe that the average age of cars on the road has gone from about 6 years to about 11 since 2008.

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      FEBRUARY 3, 2012, 12:19 P.M. ET
      New Car Prices Rising Along With Sales

      • 2hotel9

        Wrong, sweety, sales are flat, and have been for 3 years. Just ask Fiat.

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          OK.
          Hey Fiat, how come you’re not selling cars?

          “I don’t think we have a car problem; people love the car,” Fiat chief marketing officer Oliver Francois said while speaking to Advertising Age. “I think we have an awareness problem.”

          http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/27/fiat-500-sales-in-u-s-not-meeting-expectations-amidst-marketing/

          • 2hotel9

            Yes, we get it, new car sales are flat and have been for 3 years. We. Get. It.

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          Fiat 2011 earnings double as Chrysler sales rise
          February 1, 2012

          Fiat Group SpA, which controls Chrysler LLC, has reported that full-year
          earnings more than doubled as Chrysler posted its first profit since
          1997.

          • 2hotel9

            We get it, boob, new car sales are flat, as they have been for 3 years. You don’t have to keep proving it, stupid c*nt.

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Strong New Car Sales in January Shows Good Start for 2012 According to TrueCar.com

    Retail Sales Up For Sixth Straight Month of Year Over Year Growth; Incentives Nearly Flat From January 2011

    Published: Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2012 – 6:10 am

    …”The underlying consumer demand for new vehicles continues to improve at a steady pace. For the first time in several years, we are starting the year off with a warm and fuzzy feeling of the good-old-days where the industry and the consumers are once again focused on the excitement of the new cars –and not which car company is going to survive,” said Jesse Toprak, Vice President of Industry Trends and Insights for TrueCar.com. “The positive momentum from the end of 2011 and a reasonable January 2012 sales rate will likely take industry sales very close to 14 million units this year.”

    • 2hotel9

      Really? Then why are new car sales still flat, as they have been for 3 years, sweety?

  • Paul Overby

    Guys, don’t worry, history has shown us that the government will provide subsidies to help consumers pay for a new cars!

  • mickey_moussaoui

    You OWS leftists think you have it bad now just wait untill you can not afford a car…ever. You will be stuck living in the rotting cities, standing in the bread line all day long.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

    New cars pollute less than older cars. Every time the government adds excessive costs to new cars, people have greater disincentive to buy new and an economic incentive to keep their older cars. Fewer government mandates would mean more affordable cars, more new cars sold and less pollution without the need for draconian government regulations.

  • SigFan

    And in order to meet those standards they’ll need to make these cars out of chicken-wire and cardboard.  Wonder how much the traffic fatalities will increase this time?

  • http://www.enterprisecarsales.com/ Enterprise Car Sales

    The problem with producing lighter cars is that they may pose a safety issue during accidents. Its unfortunate that the higher cost will be passed down to consumers however, used cars are a good option. I’ve actually never owned a brand new car before and don’t find it an issue.

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