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good looking, smart, and a christian to boot?  i’m thinking it’s time for a visit to nevada.

Wow, Brittany’s low cut blouse shows those implants off nicely.  I wonder how many guys would have heard her proclamation of love for Jesus over the blood rushing to their eardrums?

We always hear these stories...every graduation.

You guys are so worried about this kind of stuff and don’t seem to think much about the fact that girls much prettier than her in Iraq are dying and suffering because of you.

so diane… are there any posts that you haven’t managed to connect to iraq yet?

The leftie commisars of speech always seem to forget that part of the First Amendment that says:  “...nor prohibit the free exercise thereof(of religion).”
If anyone doubts the War on Christianity of the left, here is another example of it.

so diane… are there any posts that you haven’t managed to connect to iraq yet?

Daniel on June 19, 2006 at 8:56 PM

Not when they’re relevant.  I find it highly sick that ‘christians’ are more concerned about a graduation speech about Jesus by a girl whose breast implants are front and center displayed by a low-cut sweater and yet show NO compassion for girls her age in Iraq who you ‘christians’ (note the small ‘c’ are slaughtering and have slaughtered since Bush ordered Shock and Awe.

That you can’t see the disconnect in your moral uppity-ness is just plain illogical.

Where did a boob job get into this? Can you prove that or do you simply have titty envy?

Which is it?  Is it titty envy or penis envy, as someone else accused me of.  LOL!!!

The point (no pun intended) is that the girl wears a low cut top for a news photo with HUGE crosses behind her, whining that they shut her up about Jesus and you guys are just so indignant, but I don’t see that indignance about girls her age being ‘offed’ regularly in Iraq as ‘collateral damage’.  I haven’t seen ONE drop of compassion here from any of the war supporters for the civilians of Iraq and the miserable state they find themselves in day after day after day.

That’s the point.  Not whether I can verify whether or not she is real or implanted and, frankly, it doesn’t matter; she apparently enjoys showing them in either case and ‘witnessing for Jesus’ as well.  I think there’s something about women dressing modestly in the Bible.  Yes, I know there is.

Seth, might I suggest that Dhiane is an utter moron, and that it is best not to respond to her in any way?

you might, but if ken is anything like me, he’s getting some entertainment out of her.

and just a note diane, it’s the terrorist jihadis who are blowing up the women and children, and putting them in harms way.

and does anybody else notice that diane was the first to notice the girl’s boobs?  maybe batgirl isn’t the only new lesbian in town…

Not only that, but she stated that they were implants, as if she had inside knowledge.  Maybe hands-on knowledge.  Hmmmm.....

Yes I find Dhiane entertaining - quite unintentionally on her part.

But she derails every topic brought up with her compulsive desire for negative attention, and to turn every post into a referendum on George W. Bush.

Case in point: this thread about a Nevada Christian teen somehow becomes about teens supposedly being slaughtered in Iraq.

It is just trollish drivel - and it seriously degrades the quality of debate here.

This place is much better without her.

Showing ones tits is not the christian thing to do. Modesty in this case, would go a long way in support of her views. What is this girl doing? TROLLING (fishing) FOR JESUS? I believe that she is an attention seeker. The quickest way to achieve what she wanted was by mentioning Jesus during graduation ceremonies. Hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!TROLLING FOR JESUS>

Showing ones tits is not the christian thing to do. Modesty in this case, would go a long way in support of her views. What is this girl doing? TROLLING (fishing) FOR JESUS? I believe that she is an attention seeker. The quickest way to achieve what she wanted was by mentioning Jesus during graduation ceremonies. Hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!TROLLING FOR JESUS.

General Rule of Thumb:  Never attmept to seriously engage in an intellectually substantive dissussion anyone who peppers her comments with “LOL” and other such adolescent attempts at being cool.  I’ve got high school kids who aren’t that childish anymore.

Ahh!  Blame the victim.  Wondered how long it would take for the lefties to go to that one.  It’s really the high school valedictorian who is at fault here; she has the gall to be attractive and to mention Jesus in her graduation speech.  How terrible!  She should be censored, for sure.

Just looked at the picture.  Looks like a normal, attractive high school girl to me.  Very likely not implants, and no excessive cleavage.  She might be a C-cup at most.  As if any of that mattered.  This is the leftie game of “smear the Christian”, nothing more.

Khen and Bat One are stinging from losing debates so often.

And it appears I’m no alone in noticing that this girl who wants to witness for Jesus doesn’t have much modesty.  To imply that makes me a lesbian shows how inadequate the three of you must be about your sexuality.

I’m a logical and consistent person, and that’s very difficult to find in people these days.

I expect Khen to still be stinging from our exchange last night, but Bat One really does need to take a deep breath and get over being so silly (along with Load the Mule) about credit terminology.

I realize an intelligent woman is probably nonexistant in your homes, but we are out here and you need to understand that not all women are emotional and subservient and that some of us have a wide range of knowledge and interests and some of us are extremely logical, while some of you men are very emotional and childish when you have nothing to support your arguments.

Dhiane, you couldn’t debate your way out of a paper bag.

You haven’t even formulated any coherent arguments here, let along won any.

Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are journalists.

Heheheheh, no matter how you cut it (or come up with online definitions that don’t even fit) that is a remarkably stupid thing to say.

Even for you.

Well, Khen, I gave you the definition of journalist, and they both fit it, so argue with the definer of the word, not I.

I’m sorry I’m so intimidating that you always have to get personal, Khen.  It’s the sign of a weak argument or a non-argument or a lack of facts.

Remember, Khen, it was you who said I had not even known about Juan Cole until you told me about him.  And that I had not read Frank Tipler’s work.

Of course, you were wrong...again...both times, as you are about your definition of journalist.  I’ll be happy to post that definition again for you if you’d like.

If she were one of the Phelps clan speaking of God, would we be still having this conversation about religion and the right to talk about it at graduation?

I’m a logical and consistent person

Yes consistently off base and shrill!

Wow, Brittany’s low cut blouse shows those implants off nicely.

Jealous much??  And that’s your first statement about a post on high school commencement speeches that mention the bible or christ.  Nice opener.  And that is hardly a low cut blouse.  I imagine anything less than a burkha to you would be low cut.

You guys are so worried about this kind of stuff and don’t seem to think much about the fact that girls much prettier than her in Iraq are dying and suffering because of you.

Now that’s quite a non-sequitor, don’t you think?  Of course you don’t.  So are people allowed to debate or get upset about anything nowadays without you bringing up people dying in war?

I find it highly sick that ‘christians’ are more concerned about a graduation speech about Jesus by a girl whose breast implants are front and center displayed by a low-cut sweater

That’s the point. Not whether I can verify whether or not she is real or implanted and, frankly, it doesn’t matter; she apparently enjoys showing them in either case

Gee, kind of sounds like the smearing you claim other people do to you, but that you don’t do to others.

I realize an intelligent woman is probably nonexistant in your homes

Just like yours.  Go read your posts, you have nothing on topic (freedom of religion vs. freedom from religion vs. freedom of speech) in any of them.  Does that sound like an intelligent person to you?

diane, a/s/l w/pics plz

She was merely thanking God. She is a beautiful young lady. I didn’t happen to notice her breasts. Personally, I have had some attacks from individuals much like the ones against this young woman. It is what is in ones heart and message that really matters. She deserves attention for her hard work...More of us should be thanking God for all our blessings.

"Ahh! Blame the victim."robert108 on June 20, 2006 at 12:13 AM. She is not a victim she is a vixen. She and her handlers knew fully well the consequenses of her actions,yet defied the rules.
If one disagrees with the rules and laws, and since America is a nation of laws, one should expect and accept what is metted out to them,and than strive to change the law/rule the lawfull way. Once again: SHE WAS TROLLING FOR JESUS

She got the publicity.  I wonder when she’ll be on the 700 Club or if she will?

Persecution?  Iraqi Christians who can no longer worship because of Bush’s war because it’s unsafe to leave their homes let alone go to church are experiencing persecution.  Not a girl with a low-cut top who had her mike cut down.

If she wanted to ‘testify’, she had the whole school year to dress modestly, get good grades and live a quiet, productive life before her classmates.

Well, okay: Iraqi Christians can still worship, but they may die while doing it publickly.  Don’t want to be ‘dramatic’.

If she wanted to ‘testify’, she had the whole school year to dress modestly, get good grades and live a quiet, productive life before her classmates.

And how do you know that’s not how she lives her life?  And you got all this from looking at one picture from a news article?  Wow Diane, you’re amazing.  What powers of perception you have. 

And you wonder why people call you names?

J.R., where did I say she didn’t do that?  You need to think before you post.

And no, I don’t wonder.  I consider the source.

J.R., where did I say she didn’t do that? You need to think before you post.

Oh please Diane.  Your statement I quoted above is a direct implication that she didn’t do that throughout the school year.  And according to you, she should have done that instead of “testifyfing” about Christ in her commencement address.  To add to that you said “she got her publicity” in your post above.

So I think my conclusion is pretty fair.

You need to think before you post.

Thanks for the tip.  Here’s one for you: heed your own advice.

This student specifically disobeyed her school officials. They responded by cutting her microphone. You responded with the absurd claim that she was “persecute(d)”, or that her right to free speech was somehow violated. In what way? This may surprise some of you, but schools have rules, and if students break these rules, they must face consequences. When I was sent to the principal’s office for talking to my friends in the middle of a lecture, I didn’t whine about “persecution” or claim my right to “free speech” was abridged. Rather, I accepted personal responsibility for my refusal to follow rules that every other student in my class had no difficulty doing.

This student specifically disobeyed her school officials. They responded by cutting her microphone. You responded with the absurd claim that she was “persecute(d)”, or that her right to free speech was somehow violated. In what way? This may surprise some of you, but schools have rules, and if students break these rules, they must face consequences. When I was sent to the principal’s office for talking to my friends in the middle of a lecture, I didn’t whine about “persecution” or claim my right to “free speech” was abridged.Dave on June 20, 2006 at 2:39 PM. I agree 100%. I tried making the point earlier but Rob’s hit squad acted as usual.

For those complaining we violated this student’s First Amendment right to free speech, keep these two very difficult concepts in mind:

1) Foothill High School is NOT “Congress.”
2) The First Amendment does not grant Americans the right to speak with a microphone about any topic at a high school graduation ceremony.

Think we can handle this?

Again, if she were one of the Phelp’s religious group, would you still claim that she was being persecuted and had the “right” to speak?

I guess I have to agree with Davey on this one.

A) I think it’s sort of dumb to be so worried about this girls references to religion in her speech.

but

B) It is the school’s forum, under the control of the school administrators/school board.  You can’t just say whatever you want.  If you don’t like this decision, elect new school board members or petition the current ones.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

"Again, if she were one of the Phelp’s religious group, would you still claim that she was being persecuted and had the “right” to speak?”

Absolutely; it’s the First Amendment, you know.  And I also would support the police to arrest her if she was disrupting a soldiers funeral.  With rights come responsibilities.  In this case, she wasn’t disrupting anything.  I’m sure the audience had no problem with what she wanted to say.  It was only a small group of elitist PC school administrators who wanted her freedom to exercise her religious beliefs who had the problem.

When I made my post, I just KNEW robert108 would be the first to screw it up!

He writes

Absolutely; it’s the First Amendment, you know.

Again, for the slower commenters (that’s you, robert):

1) Foothill High School is NOT “Congress.”
2) The First Amendment does not grant Americans the right to speak with a microphone about any topic at a high school graduation ceremony.

"1) Foothill High School is NOT “Congress.”

And?  What does that mean?  Do you think that the First Amendment applies only to Congress?  If so, you are wrong.

“The First Amendment does not grant Americans the right to speak with a microphone about any topic at a high school graduation ceremony.”

Actually, if they are the class valedictorian giving her graduation speech, it does.

Not all venues are free speech at any time venues.  Schools are such venues.  Read up on your first amendment law R108.

sadly, i have to agree with dave as well.  but in his defense, he hasn’t called anyone on this post a nazi… yet....

P: I have.  It makes no exception for schools.  I realize leftie lawyers have tried to create exceptions over the years, but I support the Constitution as written.  Not only that, but this is so obviously the lefties trying to silence the free expression of Christianity.  Her mention would have brought no harm to anyone, as I said before.  The essence of the First Amendment is to protect uncomfortable speech, since agreeable speech has no enemies.

robert108: Where were you when I was sent to the principal’s office for talking on my cel phone in the middle of my teacher’s lecture? Gosh, if I’d only known he was violating my Constitutional Right to Free Speech!!!

(So you know, of course, it was very “uncomfortable” speech...the very kind of speech that must be protected by your litany of 1st amendment lawyers!)

Dave: I can’t believe you would try to draw equivalence between disrupting the teacher in class(along with the rest of the class), and the valedictorian’s commencement speech at graduation.  I guess I should be used to your flawed analogies by now.

robert108 yOU HAVE LOST THIS ONE. Now you are making silly arguments, and or trying to fillibuster the post so as to not concede the obvious. Give it up dude.

I can’t believe you would try to draw equivalence between disrupting the teacher in class(along with the rest of the class), and the valedictorian’s commencement speech at graduation.

Second, it’s a perfectly valid comparison. We both broke very clearly defined rules that limited our freedom of speech (no talking on cel phones in class; no references to God during a graduation speech), and we both paid the consequences for it.

R108,
Dave is right on this one.  The only problem I have with what happened is that it seems the school board contacted the ACLU to determine what could be said.  It seems that the censoring might have been a result of political correctness instead of school policy. 

However, if the school already had this vetting process in place before the speech then I have no problem with what the school did.  I do think the school looks stupid doing such a thing, but it is not a violation of the First Amendment.

This case involves the Communist ACLU vs. the United States of America.  Our country was founded on Christian principals.  George Washington and many others relied on God to get us throught the long winter in Valley Forge. 

I taught in public schools for 28 years.  When I taught, anyone could say:  God, Jesus, or any other word.  In the last 40 years, the ACLU and their minions have tried to censor words in our country.  Period.

This case involves the Communist ACLU vs. the United States of America.

Our country was founded on Christian principals

What Christian principles would those be? 

And J.R., you assumed wrongly.  I didn’t imply any such thing.  She had all year to testify. 
She may have.

Diane, pretty pretty please;

http://sayanythingblog.com/2006/06/20/taliban_uses_women_children_as_human_shields/#c148002

I taught in public schools for 28 years. When I taught, anyone could say: God, Jesus, or any other word.

Jesse, state your questions.  I’m not going to play follow the link.  You’re hijacking threads; four and counting.

so you blaming bush for all the worlds ills is not hijacking a thread, but somebody pointing out a flaw in your argument is?  that doesn’t make much sense, diane.

and dave, just because a person could say (earmuffs!) cock, balls, fuck, shit, and the whole list of other explitives, doesn’t mean they had to.  unless RZ’s school set a minimum requirement for how many times you had to mention God and/or swear during a graduation speech, which seems a bit unlikely.

"Second, it’s a perfectly valid comparison. We both broke very clearly defined rules that limited our freedom of speech (no talking on cel phones in class; no references to God during a graduation speech), and we both paid the consequences for it.”

You were disrupting a class by making an uninvited(by the school) cell phone call during class.  She was invited to make that speech because she had earned that honor by being class valedictorian.  The entire audience was there to listen to her speak.  The class was not there to hear you have a cell phone conversation.  You were rude and inconsiderate(suprise, suprise), she was doing what she was invited to do.  You interrupted others, she was the center of attention.

I see no equivalence at all.  You were properly disciplined, she was rudely censored, because she was a Christian in an age of Political Correctness in a highly socialized educational system.  No equivalence.

BTW, Dave, I never wrote “equivalented”.  I have written “equivalenced”.  You made a mistake there, as well.

She was invited to make that speech because she had earned that honor by being class valedictorian

This school specifically told her what she couldn’t say, and she said it anyway.

Actually, it appears to have been the ACLU which told her what she couldn’t say.  And that’s not exactly kosher, is it?

This student is a victim of two (2) powerfull sides. Side (a): the Christian left or right wing, And (b) the separation of state and religion faction. Shame on both for using children to advance their agendas.

This student is a victim of two (2) powerfull sides. Side (a): the Christian left or right wing, And (b) the separation of state and religion faction. Shame on both for using children to advance their agendas.

ellinas on June 22, 2006 at 2:19 PM

Interesting observation.

Lorraine Hunt is in the Hunt for Nevada Governor.
http://www.huntforgovernor.com

Is there a way to find out what the original speech would have been?  Honestly, this whole story sounds exaggerated.

Graduation ceremonies are school-sponsored events, a stance supported by federal court rulings, and as such may include religious references but not proselytizing.

These were probably more than just “references”

Chief, why is the ACLU communist and what proof do you have that this is a “Christian Nation”?

I went ahead and read the whole article…

In the version approved by school officials, six of those words were omitted along with two biblical references. Also deleted from her speech was a reference to God’s love being so great that he gave his only son to suffer an excruciated death in order to cover everyone’s shortcomings and forge a path to heaven.

That’s definitely more than just a reference; that’s the premise of the entire religion.  The same thing would have happened if she had said “And that’s why the aliens intend to destroy us unless we build them spaceships...”