Neo-Prohibitionism Comes To North Dakota, DUI Offenders Will Be Prohibited From Drinking

This is absurd:

You get a DUI you can be stopped from driving but not from drinking until now…
Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem says North Dakota has a real problem with repeat DUI offenders.
Today he announces a program that will keep tabs on repeat drunk drivers.
Donnell Preskey has the story…
Starting January first if you’re arrested for DUI and it’s your second one or more you’ll be visiting your sheriffs department often
A new program called 24/7 sobriety is starting in the 12 counties in the south-central part of the state
Repeat DUI offenders will be ordered to go to the sheriffs department twice a day once in the morning then again in the evening to blow into this..
(Wayne Stenehjem / ND Attorney General) “If fail to show up for testing- warrant for arrest and be arrested. If any trace of alcohol in their system, they will be escorted immediately to jail, not in a week, not in a month, now.” If you drink you sit in jail
Stenehjem says the immediate consequences make the difference

I’ve got a big, big problem with this.
For one thing, Stenehjem is being rather alarmist about DUI’s in North Dakota. Yes, DUI arrests in the state are up. But that’s because of increased enforcement, not increased incidents of people driving drunk. Despite cops in North Dakota spending more and more tax dollars and law enforcement resources on drunk driving, nothing has changed in terms of public safety. Alcohol-related injuries and fatalities in traffic accidents have remained constant since 2002.
Put simply, Stenehjem and our DUI policies aren’t making North Dakota safer. They’re just putting more people in jail while simultaneously using up more tax dollars.
Now Stenehjem wants to take his authoritarian DUI enforcement up another level to the point of actually requiring DUI offenders to report to the local court house routinely to ensure that they haven’t been drinking. Which is absurd given that it isn’t illegal for someone guilty of a DUI to drink. Not to mention that this will mean an incredible increase in DUI enforcement costs, not to mention a burden on DUI offenders.
I’m more concerned about the former than the latter as DUI offenders got themselves into the mess through their own irresponsibility, but does someone want to explain to me how it will be feasible for a DUI offender who lives 40 miles from his local court house to report for twice-a-day alcohol screenings?
I wish people like Stenehjem would spend a little less time on ridiculous expansions of government power like this and a little more time focusing on policies that would actually increase public safety. After all, the problem is not so much people drinking as it’s people drinking and driving. Perhaps instead of spending money on absurdly invasive new enforcement tactics, we should just offer the drunks a free ride home.
That’s not a perfect solution, I’ll admit, but I’d be willing to wager that it would be a whole lot more effective than throwing ever more people in jail and making them show up for mandated breathalyzer tests.

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  • http://Array Andrew

    Plus you know that this is going to be challenged by several different groups, and has a good chance of being overturned. Does the state really want to have to go through that ordeal.

  • jet5

    ok, pay attention people. these are BOND CONDITIONS. That means if you get arrested for a second or subsequent DUI, and you are released on bond, one of the conditions of your release from custody pending trial is that you must not drink for that time (1-3 months or so) and you must demonstrate that to the sheriff. We’ve had no possession/consumption of alcohol conditions on bond and on probation for a long time. It’s not appropriate for every case but it is very appropriate for quite a few of our multiple DUI offenders and other criminals whose failure to control their alcohol problem is the root of the criminal behavior.

  • 2Hotel9

    Prohibition failed before, and will fail again.

    If you have multiple DUIs why are you not in jail already? What moron turned people with multiple DUIs out into the streets to begin with? And exactly how much is this going to cost? How many cops are going to be sitting on their behinds waiting for people to show up? How much is this going to effect response times on 911 calls?

    This is policestate crap of the first order, and you NoDaks need to put an end to this, NOW. Shut this moron down and smack him around thoroughly doing it.

  • Andrew

    In theory I could support something like this as long as it was a voluntary program that either kept the offender out of jail or reduced their punishment, such as with ARD classes. However, I think it would cost more than it’s worth and be largely ineffective at increasing public safety. Not to mention that many of these repeat offenders are also alcoholics and would need detox and counseling to be able to participate in such a program. Seems like the program would just cause a mess.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    OK, but something like this would tend to keep them sober which is society’s business if they have a record of driving drunk.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

    The big trouble with this plan is that drinking does not correlate to habitual drunkenness, let alone drunken driving, in almost all people. If you have someone with multiple DUIs, doing this does no good–what you need to do is put ‘em in jail for a few weeks, and if they go into DTs and other withdrawal symptoms, then you need to get them in for treatment.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I would have a problem with this being applied to a casual drinker who got picked up once at a low blood alcohol level but maybe not with a habitual drunk driver.

    Suppose this was offered in lieu of jail time? Isn’t it a win win?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Subbob, you’re lacking a connection there. If arrests are up there should be statistical evidence that it’s making us safer.

    One other issue with this; it is adding a penalty to a crime after sentence is pronounced, and without any law being passed by the legislature.

    That’s a good point BB. While it might be a worthwhile idea, it should be authorized by the legislative process AND be part of due process.

  • Conservative Reader

    Why do Republicans support this guy? Do they support him to follow Hoeven? We can do better. What other Republicans can we put in line ahead of Wayne? It’s time we start naming names and building.

  • tub3rcul0s1s

    i just had some time to read the article posted on bismarcktribune in conjunction with the Craig Irwin piece.

    http://bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/12/20/news/local/144933.txt

    You might as well call it the Craig Irwin law, if it was a law, that is. The fact is that Stenehjem is acting independently with no accountability to the public. He gets away with this by placing the financial burden on the defendantthus not requiring legislature to appropriate funds.

    The defendants will pay $1 for each test. They must pay one week’s fees in advance in cash.

    If people cannot get to the county sheriff’s department twice a day, a judge can instead have them wear an ankle bracelet that can detect alcohol use. The bracelet’s sensors test the skin several times a day for alcohol use and transmit the test results by modem and telephone line to a computer at the sheriff’s department. People opting for that route pay $5 a day and must pay the first two weeks in advance along with a $25 activation fee and $25 deactivation fee.

    So if you don’t have a ride or a phone line, you’re being forced to pay close to $200 a month for this and you HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME!

    Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem apparently isn’t familiar with this thing we have in America where you’re INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

  • Jay

    Take it from a guy who routinely defends repeat drunk drivers as part of his job…it won’t make any difference.

    It’s just another way of putting people in jail while offering a “choice” before doing so. They already have a mandatory 5/60/180 days imprisonment for repeat offenders and THAT doesn’t make a difference. Why would this be any different?

    My question is whether they thought about the backlog this is going to be in the Courts/SA offices and Jails.

    If the State really wanted to make a difference, it would change the repeat violation penalty from surrendering one’s license plates to actually surrending one’s vehicle.

    In addition, if North Dakota wanted to make a difference, it would up the penalty for driving with a suspended license. In actuality, repeat offenders are less worried about what will become of their criminal record, but instead, what will happen with their license.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Sounds like another scheme to put more people on the state payroll.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    These type of Laws are happening all too frequent. I understand drunk drivers kill & leave people permanently injured. BUT a twice a day breath test isn’t the answer. IF drunk driving laws are not seemingly harsh enough? By all means make the fine, or the time more stiff. BUT taking a mandatory twice a day breath test is ridiculous. Over how long of time are these breath tests going to be required? Life? 30 days?
    We really need to be more careful about the laws in which we put into effect. The mandatory seat belt law is one of those laws that I feel is dictating to the people. There should be drunk driving laws and punishment. BUT this particular law is just stupid. It brings BIG BROTHER into our lives a step further.

  • jet5

    I’m with Wayne on this one. Take a recent example in my county. Guy gets stopped for his 3rd DUI and his 4th Driving While License Suspended or Revoked. He blew a 0.26. That guy has a problem and is a great candidate for daily testing. He’s a danger because of his alcohol problem and he refuses to stop driving while drunk.
    I think the people subject to the condition pay a dollar or two per test. No significant cost to the taxpayers for running the program other than any setup and training costs for the officers, who for the most part already are trained on breath alcohol testing.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    As Jet said this is for people that otherwise could be in jail. Certainly I’d rather wear an ankle bracelet than be in the county hotel.

    AND if this was as a requirement to get your license back I think that’d be ok too. You did forfeit a claim on that license when you were driving drunk. Normally why would you allow someone to drive again but with this kind of monitoring it’s pretty safe to let the guy loose in society.

    Heck you should be able to get a break on your exorbitant drunk driver car insurance premiums with this kind of monitoring.

    Someone said that it was bad to charge the drunk for the monitoring? Who should pay.

    I’m not for all of the drunk driving BS going on out there such as lowering the threshold but keeping the penalties the same. But this does make some sense.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    Repeat DUI offenders will be ordered to go to the sheriffs department twice a day once in the morning then again in the evening to blow into this..

    Tough policies get results… but what happens when blacks and hispanics start yelling “racism” and “profiling,”…whill they be exempted?

    ..and what about the crys of economic discrimination against minorities regarding the cost of the bus tickets to and from the sheriff’s office..hmmmmm

  • http://www.bismarckmandanblog.com/ clintf

    I’d be more in favor of confiscating the vehicle of every DUI offender. That would make a nice deterrent, which is what it’s all about anyway.

  • http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

    Alcohol-related injuries and fatalities in traffic accidents have remained constant since 2002.

    Put simply, Stenehjem and our DUI policies aren’t making North Dakota safer. They’re just putting more people in jail while simultaneously using up more tax dollars.

    There are some serious flaws in your logic here. A am assuming your basic facts as stated are correct.

    Fact 1: Alcohol-related injuries and fatalities in traffic accidents have remained constant since 2002.

    Fact 2: DUI arrests in the state are up…They’re just putting more people in jail.

    Flawed Conclusion: Stenehjem and our DUI policies aren’t making North Dakota safer.

    Perhaps they are not making them safer than they were in 2002, but they are certainly making them safer than they would be otherwise.

    The accident/incident/fatality rates have been level but the arrests and incarceration rates have gone up. If those folks were not arrested, and left on the street, than it stands to reason there would be MORE deaths and injuries. So therefore, the people of North Dakota are more safe.

    I also have no problem with the intended policy – if it were up to me, I’d execute 2nd time offenders. They are lucky they are still breathing and can blow in the tube twice a day.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I’m more concerned about the former than the latter as DUI offenders got themselves into the mess through their own irresponsibility, but does someone want to explain to me how it will be feasible for a DUI offender who lives 40 miles from his local court house to report for twice-a-day alcohol screenings?

    That was my first thought too. He’s not supposed to drive…but has to report to the court house twice a day? Sounds like they’re putting the drunk in a position where he’s gonna be breaking the law either way.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Why put a drunk driving offender behind the wheel if not necessary? Let them stay home and drink until content.

  • tub3rcul0s1s

    Once again, I am completely dumbfounded upon reading this. I cant believe I agree with everything said in a sayanythingblog post. You really need to be sending this to the newspapers in our state. They’ve already begun to use Craig Irwin as an excuse to get this done.

    http://bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/12/20/news/update/doc4769b45999eff342390224.txt

    don’t get me wrong, I am really happy for Craig and his family, but he is just an example of a really extreme case and does not warrant a blanket of legislation for the rest of us.

  • Andrew

    He said the current approach has been to try to keep DUI offenders from driving, but that we need to try to keep DUI offenders from drinking.

    That’s a good point. It is more effective in the long run to treat the disease rather than the symptoms. There just needs to be a more effective/effecient way. Wish I knew what that was…

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

    One other issue with this; it is adding a penalty to a crime after sentence is pronounced, and without any law being passed by the legislature. This is flat out unconstitutional.

  • http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

    I thought the 18th Amendment was repealed with the 21st Amendment.

    Take their cars, fine them, whatever, but putting them in jail for drinking alone has to be unconstitutional.

    Just wait till the ACLU gets involved on this.

  • waterjoe

    A few months ago I heard Stenehjem on the radio say that we needed a different approach to DUIs. He said the current approach has been to try to keep DUI offenders from driving, but that we need to try to keep DUI offenders from drinking.

    I suppose this type of thing is what he meant.

  • WOOFX

    Serendipity, have the mentally ill, who can’t carry guns, drive the DUI
    offenders to the Sheriff.
    Mentally ill police can employ
    DUI offenders to carry their guns,
    DUI police can have the mentally
    ill drive them.
    Everyone could meet at donut shops.
    Full employment.

  • WOOFX

    The “science” of these devices is questionable.

    the only published research dealing specifically with the SCRAM bracelet was paid for by AMS, and was researched by J. Robert Zettl.

    What is particularly noteworthy about the Zettl paper is that he is not a research scientist, and his research appears not to have been published in any peer reviewed scientific journal. In fact, it appears not to have been actually published by anyone other than AMS

    Stay Out Of Jail For $5 a Day, Deal or No Deal?

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