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Tuesday, October 07, 2008

My Debate Reactions

First, snooze fest.  I think it’s time to seriously consider letting third party candidates in.  If they’re on the ballot in enough states to win the election they should be in the debate I don’t care how marginal the media might think them.  And then, maybe, we’d finally get something new.

Second, Obama must think that he can just keep repeating lies and they’ll become true.  A tax cut for 95% of Americans?  47% of Americans have no income tax burden.  Obama can’t give a tax cut for 95% of Americans.  And since when has Obama proposed more spending cuts and spending increases?

Third, McCain is about the least inspiring candidate I’ve ever seen.  He proposed what amounts to a $300 billion Treasury bill to “buy up” bad mortgages.  And this guy is supposed to be a limited government Republican.

Fourth, McCain standing in front of Broakaw’s teleprompter and thus prompting the famous news reader to stop dead in his tracks was hilarious.

Finally, the idea that one of these two men is going to be President is depressing.

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hmmmm Obama wants to let the Government, the same government that screwed up Fannie & Freddie, then sucked out excess monies for the Dem’s campaign funds, run our national healthcare??? how much money with the Dems get for their campaigns from this idea??? what stupid people....

prvanhorn on October 7, 2008 at 07:29 pm
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If McCain is going to reform Washington he has yet to prove it.  Except for Palin, this campaign would be hopeless.  McCain’s lack of action is in effect handing the election to Obama.

HG on October 7, 2008 at 07:30 pm

I learned to not agree to a contract with the likes of obama.
He decided half way through that he didn’t want to adhere to the rules & stipulations that were agreed to beforehand.
I also learned that obama obviously doesn’t care about following rules as he continously ran past his allotted time.
Even after being called out on it, he still ignored the light warning system.
If Responsibility is following the rules when no one is looking, what do you call deliberately ignoring rules when everyone’s watching?
I’ve seen enough to make my mind up.


Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

RebTex on October 7, 2008 at 07:31 pm
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The shocker was the mortgage bailout for homeowners.  He just doesn’t get it.

HG on October 7, 2008 at 07:31 pm

I think he gets it… he needs the votes… and a mortgage bailout would benefit the people who are hurting the most from the mortgage fiasco. Imagine being tot he point of foreclosure, and being able to re-negotiate the mortgage, reducing the principle and interest rate, lowering payments to a new “value based” payment… it could work, but be very expensive.  Let Freddie & Fannie eat it…

prvanhorn on October 7, 2008 at 07:41 pm

Obama: “A lot of Americans remember 9/11.”

Really, Barrry? 2eoab2b.jpg
What a self-absorbed doofus! 2rwu8hs.jpg

Kevin on October 7, 2008 at 07:44 pm

I’d go for the whole gov’t-buy-my-mortgage....  I’d gladly dump the $100,000 of negative equity in my house on the government… hahaahahahaha

McCain is NOT a limited government Conservative… we’ve always known that.  He’s not a North East, Country Club Republican, but he’s close to being as bad.  The alternative unfortunately is a terrorist-sympathizing Obama who will ruin this country, given the chance....

On November 4th, I will proudly vote NObama by checking McCain and hoping that the man is too ill or wise enough not to run for re-election in 2012....


I think Rob hates me… I mean, just look at the pic he took of me!

Sphagnum on October 7, 2008 at 07:47 pm

Let Freddie & Fannie eat it…

The 60% of people in this country who still pay income taxes own Freddie & Fannie now.
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Obama: “A lot of Americans remember 9/11.”

Funny thing is, Obama didn’t seem to remember it just a few minutes before, when he compared the economy “at the beginning of the Bush administration”, to that at the end...as if planes had never hit the WTC or the global war on terror never had to be fought.


Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!


Proof on October 7, 2008 at 07:53 pm

Don’t forget the damage algore’s Y2K scare caused in needless spending!

Kevin on October 7, 2008 at 07:56 pm
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Obama said again that he would get rid of government programs that don’t work.  I don’t buy that for a second, anyone with a brain knows that democrats don’t get rid of failing government programs they throw more money at it.

Brian on October 7, 2008 at 08:10 pm
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It is time to strike back and fight these media weapons of mass distortion! Spread the truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K50TS0UZE7w

Titor on October 7, 2008 at 08:17 pm

Obama: “A lot of Americans remember 9/11.”

That’s not what he said Kevin. He said “some of you might remember 9/11”. His version is much stupider.


For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 08:38 pm
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You poor poor republicans. You went and nominated a socialist for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. What were you thinking?

ripper on October 7, 2008 at 09:13 pm

Obama said again that he would get rid of government programs that don’t work.

That would be 100% of them; he’s lying.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on October 7, 2008 at 10:00 pm

That would be 100% of them; he’s lying.

Many military programs work.

The government is extremely efficient at killing people, not much else.

likwidshoe on October 7, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Many military programs work.

Nice semantics, but Dems don’t mean “military” when they speak of “programs”; they mean social programs.
Our military may be efficient when it comes to killing people, but it is the politicians who prevent them from killing as many of the bad people as should be killed.
If Carter and Clinton had used our military properly, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in today with the terrorists.
No Iranian nukes, no 9/11; just to name two of many.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on October 8, 2008 at 12:54 am
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No Iranian nukes, no 9/11; just to name two of many.

And no Usama Bin Laden.  (or is it Osama.... I have seen both spellings!)

Anyone else think that McCain undid everything that Palin worked for since her debate?  Ugh..... this is so damn frustrating.

Oh well.... maybe it will only be four years… maybe…

Anyone else feel betrayed by McCain?  Rob?  Can you give me one reason aside from “not Obama” to motivate me to get out and vote?

This middle of the road shit may be super effective in AZ, but accross America, we want to see real ideas, and real slams against the opposition.  Not this reach over the aisle nonsense.

Bill on October 8, 2008 at 01:26 am

Can you give me one reason aside from “not Obama” to motivate me to get out and vote?

For me that is sufficient.  You know that McCain is a loyal American proud of his country even if his politics are a bit muddled.  Who knows what Obama is, Kenyan, Muslim, possibly anti-American considering his radical friends. 

Yeah, the Federal government is out of control and it’s been that way since Lincoln destroyed states soveriegnty getting progressively worse regardless who is the president.  Staying home and not voting is not going change that.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on October 8, 2008 at 03:24 am

I am voting for Sarah Palin. I was unimpressed with either of these two. BUT McCain however is the lesser of the two evils. At least McCain doesn’t have friends who want God to dam America. At least McCain doesn’t have friends who want to blow up the Pentagon. Obama is still the most liberal Senator in the Senate. AND Obama has been affiliated with way too many shady characters and organizations for my vote. It is interesting how many people seem to want to become dependent on Big Govt.

Zsa Zsa on October 8, 2008 at 03:56 am

IF Obama becomes POTUS it will be rewarding a man with questionable ties to terrorists, racist, and questionable people. Allowing Obama to take the reins and lead our nation will reduce confidence in many people including myself.  Here is a man who has friends and affiliations that are ready to Bomb Govt. buildings and to wipe out democracy by allowing voter fraud. These actions demonstrate a reckless arrogance that will certainly continue in Obamas administration. These are exceptional times we are living in. The economic failures that have occurred are only going to continue on this slippery slope at a faster pace IF Obama is given the chance. Many Americans have no clue as to why or how this economic crisis occurred. Many people are just flat out ignoring the red flags about this man. Acknowledging the warning signs and becoming fully aware is something we all need to push to the front ASAP!

Zsa Zsa on October 8, 2008 at 04:45 am

Obama disputed McCain when he said Obama would raise your taxes.

McCain (again) did not dispute Obama exposing McCain’s multi billion dollar tax cut plan for big business and big oil. Nor did McCain dispute the fact the he would tax health care benefits.

My friends, if the Ayers connection had any credibility at all, old Johnny would have pulled it out last night.

How great was it when Flipper interrupted Obama to thank him when he was being called sober and responsible and Obama smacked him with bomb bomb bomb Iran.

Answer: very great.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on October 8, 2008 at 06:19 am
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McCain is done.

Not that it matters much… they’re both cut from the same stock.

brenarlo on October 8, 2008 at 06:23 am
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” the idea that one of these two men is going to be President is depressing.”

#2 Yeah, why the free pass on 95%.  The top 1% will pay no taxes regardless.  Just how much revenue is this, 12 million tax payers at 1 million a piece, that’s a lot of indentured labor.

And Afghanistan, who really cares?  Bin Laden was buzzard meat ages ago.

I agree with Zsa Zsa, me (hater of government by lawyers for lawyers), the NRA and Hill’s gals found someone to get behind.  My congresswoman didn’t do badly on CNN either.

Gary Gulrud on October 8, 2008 at 06:35 am

What’s “done” is our country if Obama gets elected and even more so if democrats gain seats in congress. Just imagine the young, liberal, Supreme Court justices Barry will appoint- all who will undoubtedly believe [like Barry] that the Constitution as a “living” document.

And then there’s his proposed MANDATES:

Barry’s proposed health care mandate is not the only new regulation that he wants to impose.

For example, he would require businesses to pay an undefined “living wage.” He would require additional paid “family and medical leave.”

He would regulate mortgages and credit card interest rates.

He would impose a host of environmental and labor restrictions. The net cost of this regulatory burden almost certainly will be higher unemployment and greater poverty.

And it’s not just businesses that would feel the regulatory hand of an Obama presidency.

Consumers too will have to pay much more, as he imposes new costs on products ranging from homes to automobiles and appliances.

In almost everything we do, Obama sees a need for the government to intervene.

But there “is” one good consequence of an Obama presidency:

For most of the White majority , having a person of color in the White House would be nothing short of liberating.

After decades of learning about the history of (white) racism, being explicitly and implicitly blamed for contemporary racial inequities in education, income, and other important outcomes, and, more generally, living in fear of the R-word, well-intentioned White Americans would finally have a ready response:

The most powerful person in the country—”The Man”—is Black. How do you like them apples?

Joel on October 8, 2008 at 07:13 am
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McCain doesn’t seem to have the fight to win this election.  America had better get ready to push back against the democrats… hard.  We—and a handful of true conservatives in government—are all that stands between the democrats and freedom.  Roll up your sleeves, we’ve got a lot of work to do.

HG on October 8, 2008 at 07:21 am

I agree HG.  All Americans, especially those who were so foolish that they could not see through the Obama mask, need to start making contingency plans.

After Obama raises taxes the first time but doesn’t get the revenue he thinks he needs, he will raise taxes a second time?  I wonder how high?

Obama cavalierly puts a gun to the head of a born-alive infant, but wants mandates to ban all other uses of that gun?

I wonder what Obama promised union bosses to convince them to commit more than ONE BILLION DOLLARS to winning this election for him?

ObamaCare will drive good doctors out of health-care and leave us to the mercy of, well, of who?

Do businessmen truly understand the tangle of workplace regulations they’ll see from Obama’s labor watchdogs?

Will the senior posts in an Obama Administration be filled with nutcase preachers, shifty Chicago radicals, Clinton retreads, or all three?

and....who will be sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom?- Bill and Bernardine?

Joel on October 8, 2008 at 07:38 am
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Joel,

My concerns are those decisions that will be all but irreparable like SCOTUS justice(s), the fairness doctrine, socialized medicine, and new government programs.  Tax policy can be changed, but these are almost impossible to correct.

HG on October 8, 2008 at 07:53 am
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My thoughts on McCain’s performance as shared with JohnMcCain.com:
Pathetic.
A missed opportunity.
McCain might as well be a democrat on economic issues.
Where is the Maverick who should be naming names, not promising 300b in more bailouts?
The suffer question?  What the hell?  Why must Americans suffer in order for America to succeed? 
I wish we had a Romney/Palin ticket right now.
This is getting ridiculous.
McCain is handing the election to Obama.
I’m very disappointed in McCain.

HG on October 8, 2008 at 07:55 am

Additional concerns:

After Obama is inaugurated, will the lunatic Iranian President Ahmadinejad be moving nuclear missiles into Venezuela, pointed north?

Will Russian stormtroopers be marching southward, trying to reclaim their lost glory by reigniting the Cold War?

Will Syria’s Assad be ready to hammer Tel Aviv through his Lebanese proxies?

What special rights will Muslims demand, and receive, from Obama?

Joel on October 8, 2008 at 08:15 am
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Joel,

Well said.

How irresponsible of me for failing include national defense in my concerns.  National security is our government’s highest priority.

HG on October 8, 2008 at 08:24 am

McCain was so inwardly angry at Obama’s lies, that, at times, his voice quivered.

In a frustrated effort to counter Obama’s brazen deceitfulness, John McCain kept trying to point out that unfortunately, no emergency legislation can ever pass without attracting billions in unrelated spending.

Like the $100 million more in funding for the left-wing housing entitlement thugs and heavily tax-subsidized fraudsters at ACORN from the proposed bailout package.

Under the original bailout proposal, a large portion of the repayment of the $700 billion would go to Barack Obama’s good friends at ACORN with a smaller allocation to debt repayment.

Obama specializes in engaging in this type of subterfuge.

But McCain repeatedly has called for stripped down and straightforward up or down votes on these bills as singlular issues.

As McCain tried ineffectively to communicate, the worst example of this phenomenon is the supplemental appropriations for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In the early stages of the conflict, Congress managed to keep unrelated spending items out of emergency spending legislation.

But as the scope and cost of these operations has become more predictable, Congress has chosen to add more wasteful spending to each bill.

In 2006, Congress tried to add $14 billion in unrelated domestic spending ( including a Mississippi “railroad to nowhere”) to the war funding.

In 2007, Congress successfully added $21 billion in domestic spending (including another farmer bailout, despite record farm incomes).

John McCain opposed the billion dollar farm bill.

Obama voted for it.

In 2008, the Iraq and Afghanistan supplemental spending measure included an astounding $71 billion in new domestic spending. As you can see, the problem is only getting worse.

Joel on October 8, 2008 at 08:47 am
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Apparently, McCain has no fire in his belly.  Disappointing.  But if you ain’t got it, you ain’t got it...we’re in for a long, long, four years.

Ken S on October 8, 2008 at 09:16 am
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How ignorant can you be to vote straight-party Republican?  Are you insane?  Intelligence is given to sentient beings.  How can you listen to a debate between intelligent individuals and assume the identity of Joe the plumber?  I can’t!  I am Joe the beleagured American!  You, Mr. McCain are the embodiment of President Bush!  You are so full of @&%^!, you do not represent me.  Get your own slogan!  Thanks, for a breath of fresh air, Barack!  Glad to see Wisconsin is no longer a “battle ground”.  See ya John!  Good ridence (sic)!  Bruce

P.S. Mr. McCain is no longer more than a footnote.  Thank goodness!

Bruce on October 15, 2008 at 07:41 pm
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Nah nah nah! Nah nah nah! Hey hey hey, Goodbye McCain!

Bruce on October 15, 2008 at 07:46 pm
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McCain did not do any better than before.  He wanted to comment on association with supposedly terriorist.  We all have at some point and time been on boards with people that we probably normally wouldn’t associate with. But you don’t personally have control over who is on the board. You just take care of the matter at hand. 
He wanted Obama to repudiate what Lewis said when he had already issued a statment after it was said.  But McCain didn’t say anything about what Palin is saying about Obama associates himself with known terriost. McCain did not demonstate confidence or competence to me.
I think McCain was using the special need of Palin’s child for HIS own gain.  He kept repeating she understands the need of special need children which is true. But EVERYONE knows that research in this area and other areas are well underfunded. To me, that was a dig that Obama didn’t understand.
As far as education, I feel under McCain I my children will not go to college. He or his wife do not know true struggle.

Tangy on October 15, 2008 at 09:15 pm
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