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During my 29 years of teaching I encountered many parents teaching their children to lie.  They also taught them to steal, sell drugs and engage in prostitution.  Disgusting.

Communism is evil

Priscilla Ceballos - for shame!

What’s wrong with you?

Please answer. We will response back. We know that it is only a matter of time before you Google your own name and read this. What do you have to say for yourself?

"Whatever it takes” to get “what’s in it for me” - the ME generation in action!  This woman is disgusting in so many ways!

I hate to politicize the subject (although...not enough not to do it...:D ), but I can’t help but wonder what effect women like Hillary Clinton have on these people.  She’s the epitome of “do whatever it takes” for personal gain yet a large segment of the country wants her as POTUS.

I can’t help but wonder what effect women like Hillary Clinton have on these people.

Yep, it’s Hillary’s fault. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame Hillary for someone else’s lies. Hillary is a phony, pandering, lying corporate whore, but then so is Romney, Guliani, Bush, Cheney, and 90% of the Republicans in congress. Let’s just blame everyone (except the mother) for the child lying.

I wonder what the Mother would do, as Bob Barker would say, for “ A NEWWW CCCARRR.”

“Get off knees, bitch, you have a family to raise.”

Socialist, there is a world of difference between pondering someone’s influence and blaming them for someone else’s choices.

Rob: It’s not unbelievable at all; lefties regularly lie to advance their agenda, because if they told the truth about what they want, America would reject them. They especially lie about the war and about our military.  Examples abound.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

They especially lie about the war and about our military.  Examples abound.

Pat Tillman
Jessica Lynch

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

RBB:
Pat Tillman
Jessica Lynch

Ah, you are saying the Republican Party, their elected officials and candidates knew the military was lying in these cases and knowingly fostered the lie? If you cannot prove they knew the facts were different than reported, you have knowingly misrespresented the truth.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

This is the picture of the self-centered rodent:

This was never about her daughter.  It’s all about her.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Check out those eyebrows, maybe fake and painted on like her morals.

I think it’s sad that this happened, but please rememeber that both mother and daughter knew exactly what they were doing.

Plus, the mother forgot about MySpace and public records..

http://www.michaelcrook.org/blog/2007/12/29/texans-do-whatever-it-takes/

First, what this girl/mom did was wrong and if there is a legal consequence, she should be subjected to it.

Secondly Nieman:

Ah, you are saying the Republican Party, their elected officials and candidates knew the military was lying in these cases and knowingly fostered the lie?

Yep.

Report: Army knew Tillman died from friendly fire

A new Army report shows that Gen. John P. Abizaid, the theater commander in Afghanistan, and other top Army officials were aware an investigation had determined the death was caused by an act of “gross negligence” four days before a nationally televised memorial service, the Post reported after reviewing nearly 2,000 pages of documents it had obtained.

Here is the declassified memo:
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/tillman/mcchrystal.pdf

More?

More?

The Tillman hearing and the Lynch hearing were both on CSAN. Google the transcripts if you want more.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Since the beginning of the war on terrorism in Iraq, the leftie MSM has been lying about it, and about our military, including false allegations of “cold-blooded murder”.  Your two examples are nothing in comparison to what you lefties have done to damage the US, our efforts to defeat the terrorists, and our military.  Shame on you!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

more rightie smears.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Convictions

- Staff Sgt. Cardenas J. Alban, convicted of killing a severely wounded 16-year-old Iraqi during fighting in Baghdad’s Sadr City neighborhood. He was sentenced to one year’s confinement, demoted to private and given a bad-conduct discharge.

- Staff Sgt. Johnny Horne Jr., pleaded guilty to unpremeditated murder in the same case as Alban. He was sentenced to three years in prison, had his rank reduced to private, forfeited wages and was given a dishonorable discharge. His prison sentence was later reduced to one year.

- Cpl. Dustin Berg of the Indiana National Guard, convicted and sentenced to serve 18 months in prison for the shooting death of an Iraqi police officer.

- Spc. Rami Dajani, convicted of making a false statement following the fatal shooting of an Iraqi translator. He was sentenced to 18 months’ confinement and given a reduction in rank and bad-conduct discharge.

- Spc. Charley L. Hooser, convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the same case involving Dajani. Hooser was sentenced to three years in prison and given a reduction in rank and bad-conduct discharge.

- Capt. Rogelio “Roger” Maynulet, convicted of assault with intent to commit voluntary manslaughter in the shooting death of a wounded Iraqi. He got no prison time but was dismissed from the armed forces.

- Pvt. Federico Daniel Merida of the North Carolina National Guard, pleaded guilty to killing a 17-year-old Iraqi soldier after the two had consensual sex. He was sentenced to 25 years in prison, given a reduction in rank and dishonorably discharged.

- Marine Maj. Clarke Paulus, convicted of dereliction of duty and maltreatment in a case stemming from the death of an Iraqi prisoner who was dragged out of his holding cell by the neck, stripped naked and left outside for seven hours in 2003. Paulus, who commanded a Marine detention camp in Iraq, was dismissed from the service but received no prison time.

- Sgt. 1st Class Tracy Perkins, acquitted of involuntary manslaughter in the alleged drowning of an Iraqi man but convicted of assault for forcing the man and his cousin into the Tigris River. He was sentenced to six months in prison.

- 1st Lt. Jack Saville, pleaded guilty to assault and other crimes in the same incident as Perkins and was sentenced to 45 days in prison.

- Pfc. Edward Richmond, convicted of voluntary manslaughter for shooting an Iraqi in the back of the head. He received three years in prison.

- Sgt. Michael P. Williams, convicted one premeditated murder and unpremeditated murder in the deaths of unarmed civilians during operations near Sadr City. He was sentenced to life in prison and given a reduction in rank. His sentence was later reduced to 25 years.

- Spc. Brent May, convicted of unpremeditated murder in the same incident as Williams. He was sentenced to five years.

- Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, found guilty of negligent homicide and negligent dereliction of duty in the death of Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush after interrogation at a detention camp. A military jury ordered a reprimand and forfeiture of $6,000 of his salary, and restricted him to his home, office and church for two months.

Soldier Gets 110 Years in Rape-Slay Case

GI pleads guilty to murdering Iraqi teen

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

There you go again, rbb, spewing hate at the US and our military to try to justify the lies, half-truths and outright fabrications of your leftie MSM.  Shame on you!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

RBB:
Now please pay attention: I DID NOT say that some in the military were not aware that the story told to the parents and the American public was a lie, did I? I DID NOT say that after the matter was finally disclosed that there were not hearings and then everyone knew that a cover story had been promoted by the military, did I? By the way, just for the record, I do not believe there were any selfish or mean spirited motives involved, it was an honest error by people that wanted to spare the family unnecessary pain and to preserve the heroic image of Tilman, as he left such a high paying career to defend America.

I asked you if the Republican Party, candidates, elected officials and while I did not ask it, if the President had foreknowledge that the false cover story was concocted by a few people, before it became common knowledge. Please give us exact, objective, documented information that any or all of these people were told about it before it became common knowledge that military lied. If you cannot, you having consciously, knowingly spread information negative to the Republican Party and the President for selfish partisan reasons. I could be wrong, so please put up facts or stop your deceptive practices.

By your including a list of the offenses by the Military in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, it was another case of your trying to decieve others by omitting critical information, in this case the comparative data on such incidences in other American wars. The military is a microcosm of America and so there will always be criminal acts by the few, it is inevitable. But, you meant to use this data only to smear our brave men and women in uniform and the only reason I can think of for why you or any American would do something so dastardly is because you are probably another America hating, military hating Leftist, an extreme partisan or you are absent any common decency. You may choose which!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

What a queer thing to say, r.
But I am not surprised.
You are after all a strict devotee of Gumbyism.

Are you accusing the corporately owned MSM of fabricating the convictions of these soldiers, because that would be quite a coup. You called them - “allegations of “cold-blooded murder”. I showed you that there were in fact actual convictions.
I am proud of our country when we adhere to the rule of law. Why not join me and support America for once in you life.

Exposing your rightie smears and non-truths is not hating, it is truth telling.
Wipe yourself Gumby, your own hate is dribbling down on to your white coat.

God Bless America

Why do you hate her so much?

Neiman, the declassified memo – you read it, right? – and the hearings- and the testimony of the soldier and the families and the pols, you googled them and read that too, right?

The inclusion of military convictions was meant in no way to smear them, but to help poor r-Gumby get a grip on what has actually happened. He feigns: bla bla leftie smears bla lies bla bla outright fabrications bla, without acknowledging the actual facts of the numerous military convictions. Tell the truth now Neiman, did you know about all these convictions? Sad as the facts may be, it is THE TRUTH.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Are you accusing the corporately owned MSM of fabricating the convictions of these soldiers, No, I clearly said you were spewing hate toward our military to advance you leftie agenda.  Can’t you read?because that would be quite a coup. You called them -
“allegations of “cold-blooded murder”. Those allegations were made by the leftie liar John Murtha about our troops in Haditha. I showed you that there were in fact actual convictions. As usual, you lie by omission.  What about the over 100,000 soldiers in Iraq who haven’t been convicted of anything, but rather are doing an heroic job for their country, unlike what you are doing?

Shame on you!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

RRB:
I am getting ready to leave and don’t have time to read them now. Are you asserting that these memos disclose as an objective fact that The Republican Party, their candidates and elected officials in a substantial number knew all about the false cover story before the rest of America? Please leave me a direct quote to that effect and I’ll go to that document, or admit that perhaps your accusations against them all were painting with too far broad a brush and more than a little partisan partisan.

I am glad these people were investigated and convicted, if guilty, but I’ll add two things: (1) The Left has made things into criminal conduct by the military that never were, solely out of their hatred for the military and desire to destroy and/or make wholly impotent our military. (2) Yes, I knew many convictions were made and yet, I haven’t had the time to investigate whether or not the charges were based on facts or not. Like I said, if they do wrong they must be punished, but it is such a small fraction of our military as to be statistically insignificant and only reflects our population and human condition as a whole.

I unconditionally support our military because I served in the Marine Crops, in war, and I have a personal stake in this war. If they really screw up, they must answer for their misdeeds, otherwise I will not tolerate the constant, largely unwarranted criticism by the Left just out of hate for our wonderful fighting men and women.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Thank you for your service. You have done something I have not. I am grateful to you for that.

It would be good for you to read for yourself the testimony of Kevin Tillman and everyone else that was empanelled that day and settle in your own mind what they and others have said.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

The tickets should be taken away from her, and her mother should give them both to a child whose father really has died in battle. And speaking of fathers, where is this girl’s dad? What does he think of the mother encouraging her child to be deceitful?

There is a tad bit of hypocrisy here.  You really think the Sponsor was in this for the “fatherless” girl?  They were in it for the advertising and profits— not that there is anything wrong with that.  If your going to spend money on advertising it might as well go to something worth while. 

Extreme Home Makeover is a great example of this.  Everyone gets all teary eyed and thinks the network is just the greatest and most generous ever.  Truth is the network is in business and because the show is much watched, the advertisers line up with the big bucks.  Again, nothing wrong with it and it is “good” business. 

However, the networks don’t mind everyone thinking that what they’re doing is charity.  They don’t advertise that their decision is a business decision and a profitable one at that.

However, the networks don’t mind everyone thinking that what they’re doing is charity. They don’t advertise that their decision is a business decision and a profitable one at that.

Everyone benefits; it’s charity for the people who get a free house, and business for the TV program that enables the free house.  People have jobs and make money from this.  Why is that a problem for you?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

No problem for me at all, r108.

The facts of this case still are corruption of a child by an adult.  In this case, her mother.  The RBB attempts to distract morality to random acts outside LOAC do a disservice to our country and our efforts to defend ourselves.  Shall we look up all the Article 15 violations during Somalia, Tuzla operations during the Clinton administration?  Shall we review all the AWOLs for the New Orleans Police, the illegal confiscations of weapons from 58 year old grandmothers?  Please.  Human beings do make mistakes.  The point is that they were all caught, prosecuted, and punished, regardless of race, creed or national origin.  The Truth:  I just finished talking to a veteran who left the service when the PC began.  It should matter not what a person looks like, just his bad behavior.  Yet, “certain people” are somehow allowed “get out of jail free” cards based on some other “card"… Enough said, and enough is enough!  This mother is morally bankrupt.  There have been friendly fire incidents since time has begun.

Communism is evil

It should matter not what a person looks like, just his bad behavior.  Yet, “certain people” are somehow allowed “get out of jail free” cards based on some other “card"…

You’re talking about Scooter, right?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Sandy Berger

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

No.  He was not the person involved as you well know. 
I was referring to the the era from 1968-1991 in the US military when “certain people” were given “passes” for bad behavior.  These indulgences also occurred in public education from around 1968 until the present.  I was there.  Stop your political games.  We are at war.

Communism is evil

Scooter was convicted of 4 felonies and was his sentence commuted.

But ‘68-’91, huh.

Oh, you mean, Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, Robert McFarlane, Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George and Oliver North?

Scooter was convicted of 4 felonies and was his sentence commuted.

But ‘68-’91, huh.

Oh, you mean, Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, Robert McFarlane, Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George and Oliver North?

Yeah those traitors got away with some bad stuff.
I know what you mean, Chief “certain people” sure got out of jail for free, didn’t they.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

RBB needs to lay off the troll juice.

He’s blathering again.

Don’t forget Jimmy Carter and Andrew Young. BCCI.

Opps, I think Raygun pardoned those traitors in ’92. I guess chief is talking about Nixon.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Scooter was convicted of 4 felonies and was his sentence commuted.

After the criminal persecution by Fitz, after he knew who the real leaker was all the time.  Justice would demand a conviction of Fitz.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Rob says:

This was never about her daughter.  It’s all about her.

I’m going all retro on you again.  How did we ever get here?  Would this have happened 50 years ago when I was 13?  I don’t think so.  Society has deteriorated.

Shame is at least some retribution.  Thanks for posting her picture.  I hope all of blogdom picks this up.  I’ll hang it on the wall for dart practice.

the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

I’m going all retro on you again.  How did we ever get here?  Would this have happened 50 years ago when I was 13?  I don’t think so.  Society has deteriorated.

Yeah, but you still had blacks drinking out of seperate fountains, so maybe it hasn’t deteriorated that much.

Yeah, but you still had blacks drinking out of seperate fountains, so maybe it hasn’t deteriorated that much.

Only in a few places in the Deep South.  The Civil Rights Act was passed 53 years ago.  Typical leftie propaganda.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Only in a few places in the Deep South.  The Civil Rights Act was passed 53 years ago.  Typical leftie propaganda.

The Civil Rights Act of 1954???

I can see that math was not your strong suit, but than again, neither is history.

r-Gumby really likes to stretch the truth and give us pure hate filled rightie smear.

He’s good like dat.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

After the criminal persecution by Fitz, after he knew who the real leaker was all the time.  Justice would demand a conviction of Fitz.

Sorry r-Gumby, I just can’t let you stretch on this one

Fitz – a republican, appointed by republican John Ashcroft

Judge Walton – appointed by W himself, POTUS Chief Roberts appointed him to FISA – Rehnquist had appointed him to Law Committee – Raygun and GWH bush appointed him to the DC court – GWH bush had him in other executive office gigs –

Judge Walton, who presided over the trial that ended in March with Mr. Libby’s conviction on four felony counts, said the evidence was overwhelming that Mr. Libby had obstructed justice and lied to a grand jury and F.B.I. agents investigating the disclosure of the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency operative, Valerie Wilson.

May I suggest moving on to another vineyard, because the grapes you’re eating – they are just way too sour.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Fitz – a republican, appointed by republican John Ashcroft

Your identity politics doesn’t explain why Fitz ignored the fact that Armitage was the leaker, and why he wrongly went after the President, Vice President and Karl Rove; he only settled on Libby with the perjury trap when he failed to get his real targets.  For you, partisan identity politics is everything, but you lie, as usual.  Deal with the facts, not your personal hate fantasies, kiddie cartoon character boy.

Fitz persecuted Libby, and you know it.  Unless your hate has made you so stupid that you can’t understand simple facts.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Judge Walton, who presided over the trial that ended in March with Mr. Libby’s conviction on four felony counts, said the evidence was overwhelming that Mr. Libby had obstructed justice and lied to a grand jury and F.B.I. agents investigating the disclosure of the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency operative, Valerie Wilson.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Whoop!  My bad; it was the Civil Rights Act of 1957, introduced during the Eisenhower administration.  It is true that segregated drinking fountains were not common in most of the US fifty years ago, unlike your mischaracterization, Lestat.  You lied about that.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Here’s the truth:

May 17th(1954)
The Supreme Court decides Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954) (Brown I), declaring that racial segregation in public schools violates the Equal Protection Clause. The same day, it holds that racial segregation in the District of Columbia public schools violates the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment in Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U.S. 497 (1954).

1954 - The beginning of the end of racial segregation in the United States.  Done by Republicans over the opposition of Southern Democrats, also known as Dixiecrats.  The Dems were the Party of segregation, while the Republican Party, founded to end slavery, consistently worked to end segregation.  Fact.

Lestat: Your mischaracterization of the US as a generally segregated country is just flat wrong.  It was only in a Democrat-controlled region of the US that segregation even existed over 50 years ago.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Judge Walton was wrong.  Pure identity politics; what about the fact that Armitage was the leaker, and the fact that Fitz knew it from the beginning?  Why didn’t he go after Armitage?  Why was Armitage never called to testify?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Silly r-Gumby, do you think you have more insight than the judge W appointed, the judge who presided over the trial, the judge trusted by SCOTUS CJ Roberts, by GWHB and by your high priest Ronnie Raygun?

Irving was the key to the real targets, he…what did the Republican Judge say… oh yeah - the evidence was overwhelming that Mr. Libby had obstructed justice and lied to a grand jury and F.B.I. agents investigating the disclosure of the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency operative, Valerie Wilson.

Had Irving not obstructed justice, (sand if the face of the umpire) justice might have led the republican appointed republican prosecutor to the magic list of names you so kindly provide.

But r-Gumby, this Dixiecrat thing you speak of intrigues me.

Can you give us the names of some prominent Dixiecrats and to which party they claim allegiance to today? 

Wasn’t there a thing called “Southern Strategy”.

Oh please r-Gumby won’t you tell us more?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

kiddie cartoon character boy: It is a fact that Fitz knew who the real leaker was.  Why didn’t he call him(Armitage) to testify?  Why did he keep going after Libby until he trapped him into a phony perjury charge, when there was no underlying crime?  How can you “obstruct justice” when you are going after the wrong guy?  Identity politics answers none of those questions, Gumbylover.

The Dixiecrats are a fact of history.  They were Democrats who resisted the Civil Rights movement.  One of them was Al Gore’s father.
None of them are presently for segregation, because some of them have become Republicans, the Party of freedom and racial equality.
I understand you lefties hate them as much as you hate the Jews who have left your fascist plantation.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Your mischaracterization of the US as a generally segregated country is just flat wrong.  It was only in a Democrat-controlled region of the US that segregation even existed over 50 years ago.

You’re right, Harlem didn’t exist, Watts didn’t exist, Roxbury in Boston didn’t exist, Filmore didn’t exist.  You’re revisionist history that blacks were equals outside of the South is BS.

Why was Armitage never called to testify?

r-Gumby:

Dixiecrat

In the U.S., member of a right-wing Democratic splinter group in the 1948 election. Organized by Southerners who objected to the Democrats’ civil rights program, the Dixiecrats met in Birmingham, Ala., and nominated Gov. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for president. He received more than one million votes in the 1948 election and won four states.

Dixiecrat Party

In 1948, the Democratic National Convention was splintered by debate over controversial new civil rights planks that had been proposed for addition to the party platform. Adoption of the planks, urged by a group led by Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, was resisted by delegates from southern states.

… The planks were adopted, prompting thirty-five southern Democrats to walk out. They formed the States’ Rights party, which came to be popularly known as the Dixiecrats.

… In the 1960s, the courting of white Southern Democratic voters was the basis of the “southern strategy” of the Republican Party’s Presidential Campaigns. Republican Presidential Candidate Barry Goldwater carried the Deep South in 1964, despite losing in a landslide in the rest of the nation to President Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas. Johnson surmised that his advocacy behind passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would lose the South for the Democratic party and it did. When the Democrats pushed for civil rights, the Republicans reaped the political benefits of a Southern white backlash.

…Senator Strom Thurmond switched parties and became a Republican as a result of his support for the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1964. Former Democrat Jesse Helms also switched his party registration to Republican in 1970 and won a Senate seat in North Carolina in 1972. Phil Gramm of Texas, at the time a member of the House of Representatives, switched his party registration from Democrat to Republican in 1983.

…Into the twenty-first century, the South has changed from a Democratic monolith to a majority Republican sector of the country with GOP gains in state legislatures. This change, which became quite evident in 1972 with the electoral success of Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”, peaked with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, and was consolidated in 1994 when Republicans gained a majority in the House of Representatives under the leadership of Newt Gingrich.

So r-Gumby, let’s do a recap, shall we?
The racist dems jumped ship, started the states rights party and finally, joined the gop.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

You’re revisionist history that blacks were equals outside of the South is BS.

I never said that, so you lie again.  You characterized the US as a place with segregated drinking fountains 50 years ago, and I correctly pointed out that it was a phenomenon peculiar to the Dem-controlled South.

I had a lot of good times in the Fillmore during the Sixties, and I’m “white”.  Social segregation is, for the most part, voluntary.  There was not legal segregation in the US fifty years ago, except in the Dem-controlled South.

Why was Armitage never called to testify?

Because Armitage knew nothing about how Libby lied to Fitz.

Thanks for making my point that the trial was never about the leaking of Plame’s name, which was done by Fitz.  It was a political hitjob that failed to get its real targets.  It degenerated into a perjury trap.  There was no lying from Libby, only faulty memory of insignificant events.  The “significance” of the events was predicated on a phony justification of going after a leaker, but they never went after the guy who Fitz knew was the real leaker.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

it was the Civil Rights Act of 1957, introduced during the Eisenhower administration.

Your history fails you again.  This act did not end segregation.

You spin like a top.

My whole point to Gene was that the US was not some sort of idyllic wonderland 50 years ago. 

Of course you bring up some other stupid argument and manage to get your facts wrong.

...a right-wing Democratic splinter group in the 1948 election.

There’s the lie; false premise, false conclusions.
Once again, your identity politics leads you astray, Gumbylover.
The Dixiecrats were a segregationist part of the Dem Party, who didn’t want to abandon the traditional Dem segregation and pro-slavery policies.
The Republican Party was founded to end slavery.
Barry Goldwater, despite your insinuation, never supported segregation.  Another lie from you.

The “Southern Strategy” was designed to take advantage of the anger of the southern Dems toward the national party for abandoning the segregationist tradition of the Dem Party.
Republicans never supported segregation.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

There was not legal segregation in the US fifty years ago, except in the Dem-controlled South.

Why do you use the term “legal segregation”?  Because you know that in practice segregation was alive and well everyplace.  Are you telling me that if a black wanted to they could of bought a house anyplace in SF?  That the banks would of given them the loan? 

Again, your grasp of reality and history is skewed.

It degenerated into a perjury trap.

Your history fails you again.  This act did not end segregation.

I’ve already corrected that mistake; it was Brown v Board of Education in 1954 that ended segregation in the public schools, and was the beginning of the civil rights movement, which originated in the Eisenhower(R) administration.  No civil rights legislation passed without the support of the Republicans.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

The “Southern Strategy” was designed to take advantage of the anger of the southern Dems toward the national party for abandoning the segregationist tradition of the Dem Party.

How can you say that the Republicans did not support segregation when you admit their strategy was to get the segregationist in the Democratic party to become Republicans?

You spin like a top.

I prefer to think of r as stretching like a Gumby.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Are you telling me that if a black wanted to they could of bought a house anyplace in SF?  That the banks would of given them the loan?

Are you speaking from the stereotype that blacks are typically poor and housing in SF is so expensive?
SF is a liberal enclave. The fact that there is no affordable housing is due in part to the liberal green weenies who oppose building anywhere!
No person of any color would be denied the opportunity to buy a house anywhere in SF, as long as his money was sufficiently green!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Barry Goldwater, despite your insinuation, never supported segregation.  Another lie from you.

Barry Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, you know, the one that made segregation illegal in public places in the US.

Oh uh, out of context self identified half wit is here.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

No person of any color would be denied the opportunity to buy a house anywhere in SF, as long as his money was sufficiently green!

We are discussing history of 50 years ago.  You are full of shit if you think the institutions in this country would of allowed a black man to purchase a house in a white neighborhood back than.  Almost nobody purchases a house with cash, they do it on credit.  You are high if you believe that a bank would have given a loan to a black man to purchase a house in a white neighborhood back than, even in a liberal enclave.

Almost nobody purchases a house with cash, they do it on credit.

Duh. Thank you Captain Obvious!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

You are full of shit if you think the institutions in this country would of allowed a black
man to purchase a house in a white neighborhood back than.

That’s your profane, racist opinion.  You started by characterizing the US as a place with segregated drinking fountains 50 years ago, when the fact is that we had already declared segregation illegal 3 years before that, and even so, segregated drinking fountains only were present in one region of the US.  You were wrong.  In your desperate effort to deny your error, you are changing the subject.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I prefer to think of r as stretching like a Gumby.

Thanks for telling us about your favorite toy.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

We are discussing history of 50 years ago.

Sorry. I thought you were discussing the ramifications of the last fifty years of history.
Forgive me, if in a thread about a lying essayist, with a detour through Scooter Libby I mistook one of your full of shit assertions for another. My bad.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Which party was it that tried to stop the Civil Rights Amendment again?  It was the Republican Party that cast the key votes (80%-20% in favor) not the Democratic Party (which went as low as 65%-35% in key votes).  Had it just been desegregation, they would have been angry at the Republicans, not the Democrats.  Certainly, disgruntlement of Southern Democrats went beyond the simple issue of desegregation I think it was a response to general leftward tilting of the Democratic Party…
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It’s typical that the Democrats and their liberal allies in the press blame the Republicans over the loss of a key voter bloc, but it’s also typical of them to point the finger of blame to others for their own actions.  That’s part of what “liberalism” has come to mean, in its current corrupted sense of meaning.

How can you say that the Republicans did not support segregation when you admit their strategy was to get the segregationist in the Democratic party
to become Republicans?

It was about betrayal. Duh.  The Republican Party didn’t support segregation; that was a fine old tradition of the Dems.
The Republicans promised the Southern Dems a voice in national politics, not segregation.

To summarize:

Dems=pro-slavery

Republicans=anti-slavery

Get it?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Because you know that in practice segregation was alive and well everyplace.

“Legal segregation” was segregation under law.  Duh.

Social segregation was practiced(and still is) by all racial and ethnic groups, and is a different phenomenon.  The original charge you made, segregated drinking fountains, were an artifact of legal segregation, and were peculiar to some parts of the South 50 years ago; they were not common anywhere else.
You lied about that.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Yes Carrick they WERE democrats and when segregation started to happen they BECAME republicans. Is that too hard to comprehend?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Oh r-Gumby, you are too funny to be real.
Tell the truth now, you’re a Stephen Colbert impersonator, right?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

they WERE democrats and when segregation started to happen they BECAME republicans.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

And Robert KKK Byrd? He became a Republican? Dang! I guess somebody needs to brush up on their history!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Oh r-Gumby, you are too funny to be real.
Tell the truth now, you’re a Stephen Colbert impersonator, right?

You’re really just a little kid who still plays with dolls, right?  Does Mommy know you are on the computer?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Al Gore Sr. became a Republican? When did that happen?

As well as Bill Clinton’s mentor:

President Clinton said, “Hillary and I have looked forward for sometime to celebrating this 50th anniversary of the Fulbright Program, to honor the dream and legacy of a great American, a citizen of the world, a native of my home state and my mentor and friend, Senator Fulbright.”

Imagine if a Republican like Trent Lott had said something like that.

Just another Racist Democrat in my book.  Sorry for the redundancy.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.