“…being muslim in this day and age automatically makes you a terrorist.”

Thanks for sharing your prejudice with us, but intelligent people know that, while all jihadists are Muslims, not all Muslims are jihadists.

“And is it Islam or some guy who uses religion to justify this heinous and vicious crime?”

A perfect description of the rationalization for jihad. Islam uses religion to justify terrorism against the “infidels”. How is this any different?

Rob: “But, as usual, the liberals want to shut off any debate that questions their preconceived ideological notions.”

“Liberals” = MSNBC host Dylan Ratigan.

Also, Ratigan’s first question to his guest:

“Is it appropriate to be looking at the- any sort of religious signals in a situation like this(…)?”

lf you have multiple incidents where religion in the crime one can suppose
there’s a connection between them.

Especially when it’s reported that many of the leaders of that religion
preach hatred and violence.

Scream “allahu akbar” while murdering these peop.e isn’t enough to at least speculate that his religion might have had something to do with it?

I dont’ think Rob is intelligent enough to know how or when people use that expression.

There is certainly more information to reveal he had a moral issue going to Iraq, than having to do with his religion.

If you moved to Canada or England, and they decided to attack the US on bogus intel, would you go to serve in America, knowing you might kill Americans?

Now, imagine you are mocked for being Christian and treated differently.

It’s just as likely this was a political statement as much as religious. The bottom line is the man just didn’t identify with being a Christian American.

Rob is mostly right. If the killer had yelled “obama is our savior” while killing people, I’d want to know, and it would be worthy of discussion. Whatever he said while slaughtering innocents is pertinent to the discussion. If he said, “Sponge Bob is gay” I’d want to know. I probably wouldn’t care about his religion, though.

However, this talk about rounding up Muslims is worse than dumb. Look at history a little before opening your virtual mouth.

Screaming it had nothing to do with it??

Try again:

There is certainly more information to reveal he had a moral issue going to Iraq, than having to do with his religion.

If you moved to Canada or England, and they decided to attack the US on bogus intel, would you go to serve in America, knowing you might kill Americans?

Now, imagine you are mocked for being Christian and treated differently.

It’s just as likely this was a political statement as much as religious. The bottom line is the man just didn’t identify with being a Christian American.

Too cowardly to take on Suitepotato Kenny….the disk jockey?

Its not just leftists moron.

Religion? He was a psychiatrist. That could not have set well with his Islam. Analysis at http://www.hoosierpatriots.blogspot.com

Did you ask what religion the VA Tech gunman was or the guy that shot people today. Just wondering. I know, I know, being muslim in this day and age automatically makes you a terrorist.

Do we know that, Whistler? And is it Islam or some guy who uses religion to justify this heinous and vicious crime?

That’s what we should find out.

I have a few problems with your analysis.

1. We can’t say it had nothing to do with Islam, while admitting that Islam had a part to do with it…
These two statements:
“In the case of Islam with the current worldwide spread of the victimhood driven Islamic Supremacism, which makes people feel empowered by what it promises them, and the long drawn out sociocultural morass over Afghanistan and Iraq, it is hardly surprising he would find being deployed increasingly threatening.”
“This wasn’t about being a Muslim…”

Are directly contradictory. If Muslim teachings helped push him over the edge, that is directly related to his killing. These teachings led to his massacre.

2. No more related that the post office…
If a mailman walks in and screams “I hate how we sort by zip code” then begins murdering people…the USPD is at least involved in why he’s killing. Even if his beef is irrational, it fits his mentality. If a Muslim blows people away because his wife took his child and he is bankrupt…that’s not Islam related. If a Muslim screams holy verses and Allahu Akbahr while murdering, then his religion is an issue.

3. The army has a lot of screening. No amount of screening would’ve caught this nightmare.

He didn’t quote the Koran. He just said a phrase used by Muslim terrorists and used in Muslim services. That’s COMPLETELY unrelated to Islam. Eye roll.

And no one ever discusses anyone else’s life of contributions when they murder 30 people. Why the heck should I care about Hasan’s? Man you’re a moron. Man that Jeffrey dahmer really loved his mom! And that child molestor went to church EVERY sunday. Who cares?

His military career means NOTHING. He violated his oath by killing 30 and wounding dozens of other of his brothers and sisters. He’s filth. And shame on you for defending him. God you’re a terrible human being.

every muslim uses that phrase all the time in daily life. shut it.

Perhaps that is true. However it does not justify his actions.

His religion is not causative, only a specific issue to his recent changes in mentality.

He was 39 and unmarried. According to his imam, he was having a hard time of finding a traditionally religious wife. He was born here, yet he had only become more orthodox, not less.

I’ve seen this on the part of Jews and Christians. Among Jews it is known as the ba’al teshuva movement and for Christians becoming born again. Modern society does not give some people the stable base they are looking for on the levels they feel a need for, and their religious heritage promises those things.

Some people go a bit far, some very far. They cut off previous friends and some relatives, change their social circle entirely and in some cases are only acquiring a social circle for the first time. After a lifetime of relative loneliness, that can be in and of itself a powerful attraction. Such newly prized things can seem overwhelmingly positive and with little negative to compare with their previous state in life.

In the case of Islam with the current worldwide spread of the victimhood driven Islamic Supremacism, which makes people feel empowered by what it promises them, and the long drawn out sociocultural morass over Afghanistan and Iraq, it is hardly surprising he would find being deployed increasingly threatening.

This wasn’t about being a Muslim any more than a postal worker shooting his coworkers is a statement on the USPS or government management failures. This was about a man who cracked, showed signs of that, and the signs were both missed and overlooked. The result was this tragedy.

Had he been serving in an area involving nuclear munitions deployment and firing, he would have faced regular psychological review that would not have allowed for this oversight. Those doing the reviews face hell to pay for not erring on the side of caution without direct on the record orders to the contrary. Perhaps a little more stringent review of deployment candidates should be undertaken in the future.

Just think of a bombed out PLANNED PARENTHOOD clinic somewhere and a young white man sporting a “Jesus Is Lord” t-shirt on arrested for setting the blast. There isn’t enough bandwidth in all the world that could accomodate the left wing blogging that would orgasmically erupt across cyberspace.

Exactly.

I just don’t understand why people like Hannitized are so pathologically opposed to discussing such things. Its like they’re closse-minded, intolerant jackasses or something.

What, “the religion of peace”? avowed terrorists. Remember the Barbary Pirates? Muslims.