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Saturday, May 19, 2007

MSNBC To Ron Paul: Please Stop Emailing Us

While I’m not one who thinks that Ron Paul should be excluded from the GOP primary race, or any of the debates that go along with that, I still had to chuckle at this blurb from MSNBC about Paul in a ranking of the GOP candidates:

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If the only issues in this campaign were those concerned with fiscal policy I’d be willing to give Ron Paul a long, hard look.  But the Presidency is about more than fiscal policies or even domestic policies.  The Presidency is about foreign policy as well, and when it comes to national security and foreign policy Ron Paul is a naive, unserious, isolationist twit.

To put it mildly.

I’m not a fan of McCain or Giuliani or Romney.  I’ve ruled out voting for any of them even if they should get the nomination, but Ron Paul isn’t the answer to the GOP’s woes either.

Let’s hold out hope for Fred.

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AAARGH! Ron Paul is noninterventionist not isolationist!  To understand the difference compare Switzerland to North Korea.  Do I have to post this on every blog on the net?

Ryan on May 19, 2007 at 02:37 pm
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"naive, unserious, isolationist twit.”

to make a comment like that makes you quite ignorant

To put it mildly.

Dr. Paul will never get support from the mainstream since he won’t spend millions on advertizing and won’t be another political tool for them to control.

I guess if that’s all you want in a president, go vote for Rudy McRomney. Dr. Paul might not be guaranteed election, but his message is important.

Robert on May 19, 2007 at 02:43 pm
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Dr. Paul will never get support from the mainstream since he won’t spend millions on advertizing and won’t be another political tool for them to control.

Or it could just be because he’s on the political fringe, doesn’t have a lot of support among the people and thus isn’t taken very seriously as a candidate.

AAARGH! Ron Paul is noninterventionist not isolationist!

There’s a difference?


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Rob on May 19, 2007 at 02:47 pm
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Dr. Paul will never get support from the mainstream since he won’t spend millions

Or until he distances himself from the 9/11 truthers…



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Proof on May 19, 2007 at 02:50 pm

You can’t be a libertarian in a vacuum, which is what Ron is attempting to do.

Kevin on May 19, 2007 at 03:04 pm
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The Presidency is about foreign policy as well, and when it comes to national security and foreign policy Ron Paul is a naive, unserious, isolationist twit.

“twit”?  you sure have a non-partisan way with words.  tell us your great ideas for national security and foreign policy, Mr. I-Know-What-The-Presidency-Is-All-About?

the only thing you seem to know is how to slide smug insults in-between ridiculous commentary.

justanotherlineoftext on May 19, 2007 at 03:04 pm
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what I really want to know, is how you get picked to be on stage next to these other 9 guys? I kinda think they threw Ron on stage to give the other 9 candidates target practice and throw kick-ball size softballs to Rudy.

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Just, never claimed to be non-partisan.  I’m no GOP party-liner, but I’m partisan when it comes to my own opinions...and Ron Paul is a twit.

For the record, I do think it’s BS how Paul has been treated vis-a-vis the debates.  He should be welcomed to the debates with open arms.


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Rob on May 19, 2007 at 03:10 pm

Rob said: I’m not a fan of McCain or Giuliani or Romney.  I’ve ruled out voting for any of them even if they should get the nomination, but Ron Paul isn’t the answer to the GOP’s woes either.

I have a question? So if one of these Rino’s gets the nomination are you saying your not going to vote? Because am I roght or wrong to assume your not going to vote for Hillary right?

I want Fred to be the President too and I think he has a good chance of knocking the crap out of who ever the defeatocrats put out there, even Hillary. I can see people voting for the anyone but Hillary. I still believe the prosepects of Hillary getting elected will bring men out of the wood work to vote against her, not to mention she isn’t even polling 50 percent with women.


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goon on May 19, 2007 at 03:12 pm
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Rob,
Thank you for accepting Ron Paul’s presence at the debates as lawful.  I do believe that if you were to do some more research that you would come to support Dr.Paul for president.  The name calling does not help your image.  Sorry.

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more research

Maybe try Googling “Ron Paul 9/11 truthers”?


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Proof on May 19, 2007 at 03:35 pm

While it is lawful for Ron Paul to be invited to the Republican debates, it is not a Constitutional right! The more people on stage, the less time to flesh out what the most likely nominees really think. Absent the ability to stir up sufficient voter interest to make him competitive and a realistic candidate, I personally think it is harmful to the process to have him in the debates.

Conservatives and Libertarians are close relatives on many issues, but Ron Paul is so far out of the mainstream of the conservative movement and the Republican Party he is more a distraction than a viable candidate. Think different? Then the impetus is on Ron Paul to capture to attention of the electorate, not the other way around.

Rob: I totally agree with you:

I’m not a fan of McCain or Giuliani or Romney.  I’ve ruled out voting for any of them even if they should get the nomination, but Ron Paul isn’t the answer to the GOP’s woes either. Let’s hold out hope for Fred.

Sorry americanism and justanotherlineoftext: Blaming America for 9/11 destroyed any chance Ron Paul could even stay around for round two.


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Neiman on May 19, 2007 at 03:54 pm

Any seriouis consideration of Paul as a viable Republican candidate went out the window with his apparent association with the 9/11 conspiracy nuts.  However, Paul was never a conservative Republican but a dye-in-wool libertarian.


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docdave on May 19, 2007 at 04:21 pm
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Wow Rob you are a pessimistic jerk. Lets hear what you would do for foreign policy. Apparently you have a better idea? Lets go kill all the terrorists, and spend billions of dollars because on something that is illegitimate. End Sarcasm.

James on May 19, 2007 at 04:32 pm

Lets go kill all the terrorists,

The rest of your comment was somewhat incoherent but at least you got that right.  Let’s go kill all the terrorists before they kill us which, of course, is their goal.


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docdave on May 19, 2007 at 04:40 pm

Wow Rob you are a pessimistic jerk. Lets hear what you would do for foreign policy. Apparently you have a better idea? Lets go kill all the terrorists, and spend billions of dollars because on something that is illegitimate. End Sarcasm.

Well the ‘lets go kill all the terrorists’ part sounds pretty good.

Rob, are you running for President?

I think ‘vote for me and I will kill all the terrorists’ is actually a great slogan.

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Ken McCracken on May 19, 2007 at 04:46 pm

Oh wait - Rob, are you 35 years old yet?

Ken McCracken on May 19, 2007 at 04:47 pm

Neiman said: Conservatives and Libertarians are close relatives on many issues, but Ron Paul is so far out of the mainstream of the conservative movement and the Republican Party he is more a distraction than a viable candidate. Think different? Then the impetus is on Ron Paul to capture to attention of the electorate, not the other way around.

last night when I got home from work I was watching Bill Mayer and he seems to think that Ron Paul said was main stream and made sense to him.


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goon on May 19, 2007 at 04:56 pm
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Oh wait - Rob, are you 35 years old yet?

He must be older than 35, else he would of enlisted by now.

Hawk on May 19, 2007 at 05:54 pm
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Oh wait - Rob, are you 35 years old yet?

Not for another nine years.

He must be older than 35, else he would of enlisted by now.

Aww, the chickenhawk argument.

Man, that one never gets old.

I imagine that hawk must be a policeman and a fireman.  Because you can’t support fighting crime or putting out fires until you’re both of those things.


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Rob on May 19, 2007 at 06:32 pm
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This idea that the party itself can choose who is viable and who is not is why we have primaries in the first place.

For much of history, the “smokey backroom” was where leaders were picked based on “whose turn it was.”

That was no way to pick leaders.

Neither is letting party officials or the media any way to pick leaders.

This whole system is messed up.  Who really thinks that FoxNews and a couple party chairman should be filtering who is viable and who isn’t?

FreeRepublicans.com on May 19, 2007 at 11:00 pm
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Ron Paul Naive about Foreign Policy?

You don’t have a the faintest of clues

Too many American’s have recieved their propaganda imposed history from corrupted, censored textbooks covering up treason from within the American Republic.

Perhaps You’ll indulge in the posthumous HIstory Lesson given to Rudy Giuliani by two very conservative mainstays, credible true conservatives that the Establishment hated.  The URL at the end.

Ron Paul has widespread popular support.

As a lifelong Republican, I’ve found the Republican Party Establishment at the top (not the grass roots) sell us out.  Alan Keyes who ran in 1996, and 2000 was awesome.  However, in 1996 the GOP traitors had him arrested when he arrived at one Debate, the debate went on without him.  No charges, for he was innocent, but merely a stall tactic to keep him out of view until the debate ended.  Alan Keyes was speaking the traditional platform of abolishing the Marxist graudated income tax and the Federal Reserve.

You sorry suckers who think that G. W. Bush is conservative are idiots.  True Conservatives find Ron Paul the man who stands with the platform---and more importantly the US Constitution---with not one other candidate of either party remotly coming close to him.

More American’s should join Rudy Giuliani in a history Lesson from Dwight Eisenhower’s Secretary of Agriculture (who today Sean Hannity and other non-conservatives would love to smear), as well as Dr. W. Cleon Skousen, best selling author, and true conservative, of “The Naked Communist and “The Naked Capitalist.”

http://www.awakeandarise.org/article/Giuliani.htm

AwakeAndAriseOrg on May 19, 2007 at 11:18 pm

You sorry suckers who think that G. W. Bush is conservative are idiots.

Nobody here has that illusion.

You would serve yourself and your message better if you didn’t make such assumptions.

likwidshoe on May 19, 2007 at 11:23 pm

AwakeAndAriseOrg: Ron Paul and Conservatives may share many views about government, but blaming America for Islamic terrorism in the Middle East makes him a terribly flawed messenger of conservative values, he appears too extreme and weird in my opinion.

Further, conservatives have no illusions about Bush, Rudy, McCain and the other candidates having solid conservative values. What should we do then, vote for Hillary? Or, should we support Ron Paul, even though he blames America for those who hate America? So, we are left with the other eight Republican dwarfs!


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Neiman on May 20, 2007 at 03:14 pm

Congressman Ron Paul is the reason Republicans don’t roll in the aisles with laughter every time the name Dennis Kucinich is mentioned.  Clarabell meets Krusty the Klown.


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Bat One on May 20, 2007 at 03:32 pm
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Congressman Ron Paul

is it just me? Or does anyone else think this guy looks like a cartoon character? At the debate, he stood there, stiff as a board, looking for all the world like he should have on a high collar, playing second fiddle to either Bugs Bunny or Elmer Fudd.

Th-th-th-th-that’s all folks!



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Proof on May 20, 2007 at 04:16 pm

Proof: You are such a waskily wabbit!


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Neiman on May 20, 2007 at 04:41 pm
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