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Can you cite where the report is from and post a link.  Also, the finding in the quote says “nonreciprocal partner violence.” Then you write that: “women are more than 2 to 1 more likely to commit domestic violence and the men were more likely to be injured.”

So my question is: Is “nonreciprocal partner violence” the same as domestice violence in general?

Women are totally pissed off and they’re not takin’ it any more!

Puzzle, why don’t you exercise your point finger and follow the links yourself.  Dr. Helen has a link to the report.

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Puzzled I added the link almost right after the original post. 

Sorry about that. 

Non reciprocal would be where one partner commits violence.  Reciprocal would be where they both are involved, and domestic violence would include both types.

Women are totally pissed off and they’re not takin’ it any more!

I think it’s more in a lack of reasonable expectations.

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The only time I have ever been in that type of situation, the woman was the aggressor.  A girlfriend was mad at me and came to my house.  When I opened the door, the came through swinging, trying to hit me.  I managed to grab her by the wrists and pin her against the wall.  While I was controlling her thusly, I got a little too close and she bit me on the arm (it left a nice circle of teeth marks.) With that, she calmed right down.  Once she had inflicted some form of physical damage on me, she was fine.

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How’s this for reciprocity?

Nothing lasts like a Deere.

That’s “Nothing runs like a Deere.”

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So my question is: Is “nonreciprocal partner violence” the same as domestice violence in general?

It means unilateral violence from one partner.  Reciprocal violence would be one partner hits the other, and the other hits back.  Non-reciprocal is just one beating on the other.

It’s a type of domestic violence.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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I’ve seen a few of these violent women with a mouth you would not believe. You really got to enjoy fighting allot to get with one of them. Not only do you have to defend yourself against this crazy chick but the 15 burly guys she decided to throw a bottle at and curse as well.

It’s very rare that I’ve seen a woman with a mouth that would shock you, and enough anger to throw crap at someone. But it’s got to be one of the most funniest things I’ve ever seen. I kind of felt bad for their poor boyfriends, but hell they made their bed.

The data came out this way; when police were required to make an arrest when a domestic violence call came in, they found that as often as not, the woman in the relationship was the perpetratrix.  (even among homosexuals? j/k) It was one of those Clinton era “no tolerance” laws that prevented police from saying “nobody’s hurt, we’re going home.”

The unexpected side result was that people learned that it ain’t always the Y chromosome that starts it.  So it’s good data.

There’s some lingering social biases here too.  If I told you all that my wife had slapped me across the face the other night most of you would ask “What’d you do to deserve that?” But if I told you I’d slapped my wife in the face, I’m sure you’d all be denouncing me.

And I’m the same way.  I guess I wouldn’t think much of someone’s wife hitting them, but I’d come down pretty hard on a guy hitting his wife.  Not sure if that’s rational or not, but that’s the way I feel.

Really, though, nobody should be hitting anybody.  And zero tolerance laws always suck.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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I cringed at your example Rob, when you started with your wife hitting you (an example).  I think it is wrong for anyone to hit another adult whether man or woman and both should be prosecuted.  Men should not be treated differently than women in this area ever.

If my wife was prone to violence (she’s not) I sure as heck would carry a mini tape recorder to protect myself.

That’s because in a he said she said situation the guys almost always assumed wrong.

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If my wife was prone to violence (she’s not) I sure as heck would carry a mini tape recorder to protect myself.

Gee! I’d have thought : Kevlar, knives, firearms, pepper spray, kubotan…
You must really wield a mean tape recorder!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

I’m more fearful of the legal ramifications.

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I’m more fearful of the legal ramifications.

I used to carry a legal ramification! But I didn’t like what it did to the lines of my suit jacket!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

They make a compact version.

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Rob
When you get hit by one of these
Deere it lasts

When you hit a deer

or a Deere

it doesn’t run so well

Alas, poor WOOF! He doesn’t have the skill it takes to pull off good humor! I scream for a good humor man!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

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This is old news. We men know that women are vicious and that it’s way underreported. Guys aren’t in the habit of admitting that some woman is kicking their ass. They’ll keep their mouths shut.

Men do get battered and abused, but intimate partner violence is primarily a crime against women.
 In 2001, women accounted for 85 percent of the victims of intimate partner violence (588,490 total) and men accounted for approximately 15 percent of the victims (103,220 total)’
 While women are less likely than men to be victims of violent crimes overall, women are five to eight times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner
 In 2001, intimate partner violence made up 20 percent of violent crime against women. The same year, intimate partners committed three percent of all violent crime against men
 As many as 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy
 Male violence aganst women does much more damage than female violence against men; women are much more likely to be injured than men.
 Women are seven to 14 times more likely than men to report suffering severe physical assaults from an intimate partner. On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner
 Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17
 Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause, and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.

I provided a link to a study and you counter with the same old man hater stuff.

More importantly is that the violence often starts with the women but it’s the women that can get hurt worse.  What that shows to me is that treating it as a male-only problem is the wrong way to go.

That is if you actually want to reduce domestic violence, which I don’t think is a higher priority than male bashing.

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Two quick questions for Julia Campbell:

1.  How do we differentiate between domestic violence and intimate partner violence?  Keep in mind that domestic violence is not defined as violence that occurs in the home, as the word would indicate, but rather any violence between people who are romantically involved.  Hence, differentiating between “domestic violence” and “intimate partner violence” is problematic at best.

2.  What is your source?

The reality here is that in terms of initiating violence of any sort, men and women are fairly equal; the difference is that for obvious reasons, that initiated by men can tend to be somewhat more drastic.

the guys almost always assumed wrong.

Pff… perhaps because the guy IS wrong 99.9% of the time, it’s hard not to see him wrong in most all that he does?
Mwhahaha....

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of the audience Proof?

Had you in mind, WOOF!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

perhaps because the guy IS wrong 99.9% of the time, it’s hard not to see him wrong in most all that he does?

You do have backup proof for that assertion, Anna, don’t you?

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave… are you insinuating my personal opinion doesn’t account for proof of statistics?

Men do get battered and abused, but intimate partner violence is primarily a crime against women.

Not only is this factually inaccurate, but the truth is that in fatal domestic violence, the ration is about 50/50 male-female.  Of course, according to the man haters, it’s always the man’s fault.  They just want to avoid responsibility, which is typical of the left.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Actually robert108 I think it’s safe to believe that in most cases who ever is at fault will accuse the other at being at fault even though the other person being accused isn’t at fault and the accuser is really at fault but there are time I am sure that the accused is actually at fault but the accused will deny being at fault. I am sure you agree on that right?

I am sure you agree on that right?

Do I agree that all things are possible?  Of course, but what’s your point?
I mentioned the fatality statistics because they avoid the usual squishiness.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

docdave… are you insinuating my personal opinion doesn’t account for proof of statistics?

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong