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The law is the law. Somehow, though, “illegal” has taken on a new meaning in our lexicon. With the use of euphemisms such as “undocumented” aliens our politicians are selling out the law abiding, tax paying citizens in hopes of wooing minority (primarily Hispanic) votes. I hope this schemes backfires. I know I will vote against any and all politicians advocating amnest for illegals.

Get rid of all the illegal aliens! NOW! before they suck our welfare money bone dry.

I do agree that unchecked illiegal immigration does pose financial problems. The solution is not to simply rid of all of them, rather I think it would be better to implement a program that allows people from Mexico to work in the US, yet requires them to go back to Mexico every 6 month.

The truth is that they do jobs that people like Jim Pullen, and many other vocal anti-immigrant won’t do. If Americans where truly serious about the illiegal immigration issue then why aren’t Americans taking the illiegal immigrant jobs, that way you would get rid of the incentive to come to the US in the first place. Most illiegals are men and don’t qualify for welfare, most come to work, hence if you take their jobs then they won’t come.

Its hard for me to believe that Americans won’t take the jobs illegal immigrants are currently doing while these illegals are still in country.  How can they take the jobs, they’re not available.

Further, while most don’t collect welfare, they certainly don’t pay taxes.  But they do cost us a lot of taxes when they use our roads and schools.  The women who are pregnant get free healthcare as do the men.  We are forced to pay millions of dollars to translate everything so that they don’t even have to learn our language.

It just doesn’t make sense to me.  There are perfectly legal ways of moving to this country and working.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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illigal alien do pay taxes, they purchase from our stores, they pay toll, and exciles tax.
years ago some of them were issued a ssn# (not valid for work)but still many businesses hired them. every week their employers deduct taxes from their pay checks, the government collect those money but you know what? an illigal alien does not GET tax return at the end of the year. so they help your country in many ways.They less to employers. WHAT IF all illigal Turn to their natiVE LAND AMERICA WOULD MEET SOME LITle problem for awhile> believe IT OR NOT!!!

american goes to other countries and make poeple’s lives miserable, now pay for it!
and keep quiet please let just live.

What is “exciles tax.”

Also, the majority of illegal aliens are paid under the table, which means that no taxes are with held from their paychecks.

They don’t get a tax return at the end of the year, but neither do I.

If all the illegal aliens went home tomorrow it would only make our unemployment rates go down.  Not that we could actually round them up and send them out in one day.  It would take years to track them all down.  But as we deported more and more of them and kept the rest from getting in I think we’d see our unemployment rates go down, along with other benefits.

If these illegal aliens are so set on coming to our country to live and work why don’t they just do it legally?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Don’t forget that those illegals include children who were forced to enter the country and did not enter of their own accord.  They go to school but basically cannot repay those tax dollars that were faithfully placed into their education because of a technicality.  I’m sure their teachers would be more than happy to see them provide for their country-and when I say “their” country, I mean the one where they grew up in. 
If you really want to solve the overpopulation problem, start sterilizing ignorant american teenagers who obviously don’t appreciate the gift of formal education and basic provisions.  Yes, Americans don’t want the jobs that illegals go after because they have to sacrifice their dignified lives to earn alittle money just to get by.  I have seen well-educated Americans pass jobs by that would meet their basic (most important) needs just because it was “a job that a self-respecting and upright citizen would not take”, as was spoken by an American on unemployment.
These children who were here for more than five years and basically had their future swiped underneath them before they even knew how to talk deserve a chance.  The truth is that if they were given the opportunity to enter the US legally, they would have taken it.

No illegal alien pays taxes, they don’t want to learn the language and actually try to blend into the US. If they did - then I don’t think so many millions of people would want to have them sent home. If they would work legally (pay taxes), learn our language, drive with insurrance and be interested in the USA - life would be different. There are many many jobs that teenagers (for instance) can’t get because illegal aliens have stolen the jobs and can do them much cheaper (as they refuse to pay taxes). I have reported many an illegal alien and will, of course, continue to do so. I have also, oficially, stopped paying taxes, as I refuse to participate in anything illegal (as paying towards illegal aliens getting education, health care etc).

I would just like, these “aliens” aren’t here to suck our welfare money or to mooch off our tax dollars. most of them pay taxes and recieve no return. their main purpose is to give their children a better life and if they have a harder work ethic and determination to do so, then most americans then why are we trying to hold them back. If an individual applies themselves in school in College and not only meets the standerards set forth by the school but excells above an beyond their peers and english speaking counter parts then we should support them. In the future we as a nation will need Doctors, and lawyers if the kids we produced here are not disciplined enough ti apply themselves then we should not hold another back from doing better for themselves.

illegal immigrants are harder workers than mosta mericas, they do pay taxes, and most of them have better hearts and minds than anyone here, if you peopel keep spending all your time bithcin about them coming here, then proove that youre worthy of doing as well as them!! they are good people tryin to live a fair life, get over it and stop tryin to stop them from living their dream!

illegal immigrants are harder workers than mosta mericas, they do pay taxes, and most of them have better hearts and minds than anyone here

If that’s true then let them come here legally.

if you peopel keep spending all your time bithcin about them coming here, then proove that youre worthy of doing as well as them!!

I’d say that most Americans are doing better than the average illegal immigrant.  Maybe the illegal immigrants would do better if they were able to live openly in society.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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ok..to all those people that say so called "illegal aliens" dont pay taxes..yes they do..they pay taxes everytime that they go to the store, they also get a reduce in their paychecks...the government of the United States a years takes over 60 million dollars in taxes, because these immigrants are afraid to claim it....this just proves that people are so closed minded...because after all, wasnt this country built on immigrants?....

Undocumented aliens not only pay taxes.  They also cleaned up ground zero. 

What a bunch of hysterical people inhabit this little corner of the web (not all of you of course).  I mean really... 
 
a) Majority of illegals DO NOT get paid under the table.  The IRS itself has estimated that most working illegals pay taxes legally via the ITIN # (established in the 80s) or (regretably) falsified SSN# that employers require to hire people.
 
b) According to the IRS, illegals bring in over $50 billion a year in W2’s alone, of which 7 billion go to Social Security and 1.5 billion to Medicare.  This doesn’t include the employer’s share either.  So if it weren’t for the illegals, our SS fund would be 7 billion lower EVERY YEAR, especially since the illegals won’t be able to claim withdrawals from it
 
c) You’d have to be a moron to think you can simply ship 12 million people back to their countries.  Mass deportation would be a nightmare and would wreak havoc on many cities and towns across this country.  Of course the people calling for this mass deportation do not live in areas where immigrants are a high percentage of the population so for them its a neat little idea… like saying why don’t we just shoot them all or sterlize them...  It is a viscious and uncharitable thing to suggest and highly un-Christian, not that religion should have anything to do with it.
 
d) The comments about not wanting to learn the language or “blend in” are comical at best.  These are comments that people who are completely uninformed make.  EVERY RESEARCH STUDY EVER DONE ON THE SUBJECT shows that children of immigrants speak English better than their native tongue and are much more assimilated or “blended in"  Any adult who immigrates into another country is going to have trouble speaking that language fluently, no matter how hard they try.  Every immigrant knows that speaking English is the ticket to better jobs, more respect, calling less attention to yourselves.  Do you really think they don’t want to speak English?  That they’re speaking Spanish JUST TO SPITE YOU?  I’d like to see you try to learn a foreign language as an adult. I know because I am the son of immigrants and I know how hard it was for them to learn English.  They still don’t speak it properly, although I am fluent in three languages including English.  This has been happening for centuries and the Mexican immigrants are no different from the Italian immigrants (you wanta a meatza ballaa...?) who had trouble learning English and “fitting in.”  
 
e) The blending in comments are obviously something that is not going to happen because when people like you see someone who is Brown and has a funny accent, they automatically don’t fit in.  How dare they look and act different?  They aren’t going to become White and have perfect accents, but they do their best they can to fit in.  
 
f) We’re already discussed how they pay tons of taxes via W2, but what about taxes on purchases?  An estimated $320 billion per year are spent by illegals on purchasing goods and services… This includes the taxes on such goods which can range from 8 to 10%, so conservatively, another 28 to 30 billion a year in taxes.  If you take into account all Hispanics (legal and illegal) they are closing in on $1 trillion in spending per year by 2010.    
 
g) Our native-born population is getting older and older.  Remember the Baby Boomers?  The largest generation in American history is getting older and they did not have that many children compared to previous generations (people with higher incomes and educational levels tend to have fewer children). They will soon start dying off at an accelerating rate.  What does that mean?  That our working population is declining either by retirement, disability or death and not being replaced by younger Americans (there just aren’t as many).  Without the influx of immigrants and their children we would be having a negative population growth...  Maybe that is a good thing (for traffic, the environment, etc.), but for the economy and for the strength of our nation, it is a disaster.  This is why people keep saying “they take jobs others won’t or can’t do."  Sure there are plenty of Americans who are willing to take menial jobs, but there sure as hell aren’t enough of them.  With our population getting older, there are less young people but more demand for labor.  This is why the immigrants come.  No one would risk their lives to come to a country where there are no jobs, would you?  It is a risky investment for the illegals, to be sure, because they spend $1000’s and risk their lives to come here to earn a living wage.  If there weren’t jobs here, they simply wouldn’t come.  Why bother being miserable and unemployed in a foreign country when you can be miserable and unemployed in your own country surrounded by your loved ones. 
 
h) How can you guys forget that immigration (legal or otherwise) has been a part of our nation’s growth for the last 3 centuries.  Back in the late 1700’s, Benjamin Franklin complained about the German immigrants changing the English cultural traditions.  In fact, in your part of the country, many immigrants settled to get away from the nasty “nativist” biases.  Not only that, but as a percentage of our population, the current immigration wave is no different than it has been EVERY DECADE since the start of our great nation.  In fact, there was a higher percentage of immigrants in our population at the beginning of the 1900’s than there are now.  Granted, our population is higher, but percentage wise, the current immigration is not the biggest one in our history.
 
i) One of the main arguments used to protest the illegal immigration is that they are breaking the law.  The law, unfortunately, is a bad one, because the immigration quotas for legal entry of Mexicans are too low so getting legal residency is like winning the lottery.  When there is a vacuum (e.g. unfilled jobs) on one side of the border and a surplus (eager and willing workers) on the other side, introducing a restrictive quota only makes people look for another alternative.  That alternative is a dangerous, expensive and potentially lethal alternative that no one wants to take.  Still, nature abhors a vacuum.  There should be a guest worker program.  People would come in to work as needed and would not stay or put down roots like they do now.  The only reason they stay and put down roots is because they don’t want to risk leaving the country and risk their lives to get back in the country.  Most illegal immigrants leave behind loved ones that they pretty much never see again.  There’s no going back for funerals, weddings or any other reason because the risk is too great that they won’t be able to get back in.  When they leave their home countries, they say goodbye to loved ones forever.  A guest work program would make it easier for them to go back (and stay there longer) and they wouldn’t have to put down roots here (if that is one of your main concerns).
 
j) "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."  For all of you objecting to illegal immigrants because they break the law, ask yourself this question:  have you ever broken the law?  Have you exaggerated on your taxes?  Do you ever go above the speed limit?  Ever hired a day laborer on the corner?  Do you have a gardener that might possibly be illegal?  Ask yourself another question. If they were legal, would you have a problem with them?  My guess is you probably still would.

Our president and commander in chief agrees with most of my points above, which is why he is suggesting a guest worker program and a limited legalization program that allows people to EARN legal status by paying a fine, proving employment, passing a background check, learning English, pay back taxes, among other criteria.  This makes sense.  All the hysteria about illegal immigration is just that, hysteria.  There needs to be a common sense approach.  Strengthen the borders, create a guest worker program, provide an avenue for illegals to become legal are common sense, compassionate and reasonable ways to deal with the immigration problem.  Yelling and screaming “deport them all” or sterilize them is just an angry response that will never happen and just gets people into more of a frenzy.

Every day I pray to God for people like some of the above commenters to use common sense and a sense of compassion to help solve this (and other problems) in our society. Hysterics, anger and lack of compassion are what can potentially destroy our society.

What we need to do is follow the LAWS that are already in place.  If they are not in this country LEGALLY then we need to kick them out.  The illiegal immigrants and there hom3e country, that doesn’t want them anymore and is trying to PAWN them off on us, says they do jobs that we won’t do.  I live in Kansas city, Mo. we have lots of Illegals here doing CONSTRUCTION work for much less than a US Citizen would do so they are hired instead of QUALIFIED US Citizens...they go unemployed because they won’t take slave wages and we, the US, loses out.  The buildings are substandard because these people are hired and don’t have the qualifications required of a US citizen and then when people are killed or injured because of poor construction...they always say materials are to blame when we all know it was the under-qualified illegal immigrants they hired from the "day labor store" or picked up right in front of Home Depot.  KICK THEM OUT ans PUT UP THE FENCE...I SUPPORT A TAX INCREASE TO SECURE THE BORDER!!!!

Because the pro-illegal alien lobby has a bottomless pit of money and can hire PR people to spin (and fabricate) anything any way, there are an undue number of myths and lies that the public (and many politicians) has bought into. The FACTS are:

1. It is NOT racist to call these people "illegal aliens" In fact, "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not illegal immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers - they’re ILLEGAL ALIENS.

2. Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico’s corruption?

3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs (CNN News Anchor) recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work!

4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won’t do. What jobs won’t Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.

5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren’t contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh?

6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.

7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa’s "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that ‘since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers’ profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.

8. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it’s CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?

So, before you believe the prevalent pack of lies perpetuated by the illegal alien lobby, which makes billions off this government-sanctioned criminal activity, ask yourself who’s saying this garbage and look at what they have to gain

In 2005, according to the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles, 57,600 cars were stolen in Phoenix. It is now the car-jacking capital of the world. Most were SUV’s and pickup trucks. At a conservative average of $15,000.00 per vehicle, owner losses exceeded $864 million. Insurance companies in the state suffered incredible claims from policyholders.
Where did those vehicles go? Who stole them? Take a guess. Arizona is the temporary home of 500,000 illegal aliens. They cost Arizona taxpayers over $5 billion annually in services for schools, medical care, welfare anchor babies, loss of tax base and prisons.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That’s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
The average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs. With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004)
How about the $56 billion in pure cash illegal migrants sent to their home countries last year and every year? That’s after their kids enjoyed free education, free lunches and free medical care paid for by you. Mexico receives $15 billion annually from its worker drones. No wonder Vicente Fox sent us 9.2 million illegal alien Mexicans so far.
What are the consequences?
It costs you, the taxpayer, $68 billion a year JUST to pay for the resettlement of legal immigrants.

Illegals remain in our country with exemption from arrest—yet, they are federal criminals!

"U.S. LAW ALREADY IN PLACE"
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime!
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison.

Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

• A California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 80 percent of the 25,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
Many police officials in states along the U.S.-Mexican border say they are fed up with the number of illegal aliens populating American prisons, many of them incarcerated for violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery.
Almost one in six inmates in Arizona, for example, is a Mexican citizen.
Phoenix jails (search) house 1,200 criminal aliens, who by law should have been deported. But because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home. Even when deportation is ordered, about 60 percent of orders are ignored.
American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 80,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been.
That adds up to more than $5 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico.
As long as our leaders allow the invasion and not enough Americans speak up, you can expect 12 million more illegal aliens in the next four years. Who pays for this invasion of your country? You do!

SCREEN, DETAIN, & DEPORT ALL ILLEGALL ALIENS

Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work!

I’m not doubting this, but how can illegal immigrants claim welfare without a social security number?

I am so sick of hearing the lame ass saying
“they do the jobs we won’t do”! Shut the fuck up and stop being so nieve. I think we as Americans will figure out how to clean up after ourselves!!! You’re too lame to even argue with.