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Webb’s man/son description doesn’t seem to match the caretaker/toddler or mother/toddler custom as described.

Someone has to question the mentality of a man who imagines such things with the regularity recorded in Webb’s novels—at least as to whether or not he deserves to serve as a US Senator.  I’d be voting for Allen either way so this stuff will have to negatively influence Webb voters to be significant.  We’ll have to wait and see how it plays out on Nov. 7.

Cheney’s give-on-girl romance action reads great. ..with Lybby’s bear-on-kid pedophilic/bestiality action I have my many reservations, ..unless it’s some kind of tradition for certain Japanese that is.

As much it pains me to say this (I don’t care for Webb, I think he’s a posturing ass) a passage wriiten by someone in a novel isn’t a barometer of the true character of the person. It was a sleazy tactic when the demos pulled it, it’s sleazy now.

Besides, if a work of fiction were truly representative of the character of the author, we’d have long since put Stephen King someplace safe, Mickey Spillane and John D. MacDonald would be under some serious suspicion for, well, everything, and Anne Rice would be in a padded cell.

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King and Spillane and MacDonald Duck aren’t running for anything are they?

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Whether athey are or aren’t, Whistler, my point is that no one, not even a pompous ass like Webb, should be judged by a work of fiction.

Besides, Mickey Spillane can’t run. He croaked. Makes it hard to run a campaign.

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Besides, Mickey Spillane can’t run. He croaked. Makes it hard to run a campaign.

But he’s voting Democratic this year?

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It was a sleazy tactic when the demos pulled it, it’s sleazy now.

So, what goes around, comes around?

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Besides, Mickey Spillane can’t run. He croaked. Makes it hard to run a campaign.

Pity!  He’d fit right in with the latest Lite Beer from Miller “Man Law” commercials.

Whistler…..HA!!!

I suppose he could vote democrat. The left is already brain dead, too. How could you tell the difference?

And, Bat…yep. That would have been a perfect fit.

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I’m going “bananas” for Webb!!!

“unless it’s some kind of tradition for certain Japanese that is.”

If some multicultural diety says OK, anything goes?

I Remember there was a batch of parent/child sex advocates promoting their books in mainstream bookstores.  Found it distrubing.  Thought, how much will God let us get aay with - then came 9/11.

The difference between the reference to Mrs. Cheney’s book and Webb’s - Cheney isn’t running for public office in our senate. I see it as fair game to put it out - in that if Webb was a republican
the MSM, NAACP and Dems would be relentless in their onslaught, and we know how long they have had Foleyfobia.

If Mr. Webb didn’t want people to know what he thinks about he shouldn’t have published his book.

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“With The Emperor’s General, Jim Webb cements his reputation as an extraordinarily gifted storyteller. He excels in mining the rich veins of history to invest his fiction with the drama of great events…. An engrossing, moving, and splendid book.”
— Senator John McCain

I have no problem with the passage in that it only shows parents showing respect and love, there’s nothing sexual about it.

Can McCain read?

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The difference between the reference to Mrs. Cheney’s book and Webb’s - Cheney isn’t running for public office in our senate. I see it as fair game to put it out - in that if Webb was a republican
the MSM, NAACP and Dems would be relentless in their onslaught, and we know how long they have had Foleyfobia.

No, she isn’t running for Senate.  She gives advice to the #2 man in the line of power.  If ridiculing Tipper Gore was appropriate, then maybe we should have peppered Lynne Cheney over her work of fiction.

Using this way of thought, I suppose that every politician that has gone to a playboy party and been interviewed by playboy should be asked if they endorse male chauvinism?  Or how about evry politician that talks to a foreign person be asked about if they put America first?

Or how about evry politician that talks to a
foreign person be asked about if they put America first?

Now that’s just silly.  BTW, it’s Mary Cheney, not Lynne Cheney.  I made a mistake there, but you didn’t check, either.  I doubt that Mary Cheney gives much advice to her Dad on national matters.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Or how about evry politician that talks to a foreign person be asked about if they put America first?

Now that’s just silly.

The question was sarcastic.  I agree that is just silly.  What candidates write as fiction has no place in a political campaign that should be based on facts.  That goes both ways.  You complain about the MSM bringing up things that don’t matter. I agree with that, with Allen’s n-word fiasco not worthy of anything that needed to be put out in public.  However, you have lots of talk radio also bringing up lots of junk that doesn’t matter as well.

If you don’t like what the Democrats have done politically, then don’t complain when they get it thrown back in their faces.  The Dems have set the tone here, and now they don’t like it.  Tough.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Look, you guys make it seem like he made this up wholesale.  He was writing about a post-US withdrawal Southeast Asia, what went on, the culture and society.

He wrote on what he saw because he was there, during the Vietnam War, and after the war.  In fact, the example cited here of the boy and the father he explains is something he actually SAW in a slum in Bangkok.  Not making it up, he saw something like it.  It might be obsucre cultural thing to many here but its something that is normal, and not sexual over there. 

How does this relfect bad on him when John McCain, James Bradley (Flags of our Fathers), Casper Wienberger, Tom Wolfe, and George F. Will of all people praised the book for its writing of for its ability to capture the region in an authentic way.

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Allen is the despicable one here, and so are any who choose to resort to such dirty tactics to win the election.

If some multicultural diety says OK, anything goes?

makes OK to describe the held custums of other cultures.

I like the following post:

Look, you guys make it seem like he made this up wholesale.  He was writing about a post-US withdrawal Southeast Asia, what went on, the culture and society.

He wrote on what he saw because he was there, during the Vietnam War, and after the war.  In fact, the example cited here of the boy and the father he explains is something he actually SAW in a slum in Bangkok.  Not making it up, he saw something like it.  It might be obsucre cultural thing to many here but its something that is normal, and not sexual over there. 

How does this relfect bad on him when John McCain, James Bradley (Flags of our Fathers), Casper Wienberger, Tom Wolfe, and George F. Will of all people praised the book for its writing of for its ability to capture the region in an authentic way.

military service is a tradition in Webb’s family. His son recently shipped in Iraq, and is now fighting there.  I’ve read the book wish all the non-controversy-controversy is all about and I just hope James Webb’s son has the talent to write such a great book one his tour(s) of duty(ies) are done with.

No one is saying anything is right or wrong.  This is not the issue.  Allen is painting this as the work of a sick and perverted mind because he would think to write such a passage.

In fact, he is in fact writing about what his experiences, what he saw, and the society and cultures of Southeast Asia.  Tell me exactly how that makes Webb some moral degenerate?

What Allen is doing is the real travesty.

Allen is the despicable one here, and so are any who choose to resort to
such dirty tactics to win the election.

Like the dirty tactics in Plamegate, the phony National Guard memos and the lies about Foley?  I agree.  The Dems should stop doing that stuff.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Yeah, don’t anyone tell us what Webb actually put in a book.

Even put away the child molestation part, how about the graphic sex parts of the rest of his works.

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Are you guys not listening?  All relates to his experiences, what he saw in Southeast Asia.  And again, you called it child molestation when thats not what it was. The fact that you still call it so tells me you are dishonest…its just about winning by any means to you.

For the guy above him…The lies about Foleygate? Plamegate dirsty tactics? WTF!?

So it’s never about molestation?

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I might add that this is not some kiddie book to be read by some 13 year old.  This is harsh, genuine, no-nonsense account - by someone who’s been there - on Southeast Asia.

The good, the bad, the ugly, the benign, the trivial.  This is what authors do…paint a picture for the viewer.

He’s done such a good job that he’s been praised by John McCain, James Bradley (Flags of our Fathers), Casper Wienberger, Tom Wolfe, and George F. Will for his ability to paint such a real and authentic picture and convey it to his readers.

You just said ‘molestation’...are you a sick wacko who writes and thinks about molestation?

In any case, the father and son example was not molestation, its a common cultural practice that is not sexual in nature whatsover in the region that Webb traveled.  Get over it.

a soldier comes from Iraq and writes a book about he see, including the savages toward women and weird (but concretely held) custums of the Muslims there.  That is what basically what this is about, except Webb wrote about his observation in the War for which he our nation’s second highest medal of honor, ..about Vietnam and its region.

*weird to us, but a deeply cultural accepted manners of showing affection in those their traditions and culture.

This whole thing remind me on how my class in 7th grade used to read the Mini Post:

I believe learning about the way many Japanes recycle the water as they bathe. ..father bathes first, wife bathes second and uses same water used by father, oldest son bathes third and used same water used by mother, which is the same water used by father ..middle child ...smallest child.

or with certain people of Saudi Arabia, where not burping out loud after a meal can be considered and insult, as could be burping to lowly ..the amplitude of the burp is a way of telling your host how much you enjoyed the meal.

..great cultural tradition!

You can try to spin this stuff to excuse Webb for his depiction of child molestation, but what about his referring to Asian women as “monkeyfaced”?  I know what the means, even if I haven’t the faintest idea of what “macaca” means.  Webb is getting exactly what he deserves here.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

correction: “The Mini Pages” and not the Mini Post

google comfirms my childhood memories are still well intact:

In the Western world burping (particularly audible burping) is considered impolite (although not as socially unacceptable as farting), and so some people will cover the mouth with their hand in the same fashion as one used to guise a yawn. However, burping is viewed as acceptable and humorous among youth. Often times, children engage in burping contests to determine who can produce the loudest burp. In Saudi Arabia and many other countries, burping after eating is considered complimentary to the chef.[/quote]

Japanese Bathing etiquette

Bathing etiquette

Japanese wash themselves before entering the bath, as they have a customs of sharing the bath water. This is true as well for public baths (sento 銭湯) as for thermal spring (onsen 温泉) and bath in individual homes. The reason is that other people will use the same water after you (except if you live by yourself, of course). Therefore, you should not empty the bath after using it.

damn! I forgot which it the country in which MAN generally greet each other with a kiss to the mouth (lip kiss not a French kiss!). ..anyone?

for those not in the know, ..”the mini page” is like a newspaper for kids, of which I have many fund memories.

You can try to spin this stuff to excuse Webb for his depiction of child molestation,

Spin in Robert1000 speak = Truth in Regularspeak

but what about his referring to Asian women as “monkeyfaced”?

What about refering to Japanese as “Japs”, to Vietnamese as “gooks?”  Its certaintly accurate that American men refered to them as such during those eras.  To write a book describing the times of an American in that region without taking the pains to make it authentics (which is why his books are so critically acclaimed).  Webb is writing a fiction, the man is a creation, in a way conforming to its own stereotype of an “American man” in Southeast asia, along with his biases, bigotries, and preconcieved notions.  That’s what makes the characters believable.

So lets not equate Allens racist remarks, and past be compared to the works of an author creating a genuine seeming fiction.

While it is true that different cultures have different customs, Webb was writing in English, for primarily a domestic audience. Were these descriptions necessary, without explanation, to advance his story line? Does the word “gratuitous” come to mind?

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Put another way: It would be like me attempting to write some fictional book taking place in the south (of some white guy in Alabama, say 1950’s or something), yet nowhere in the book, in none of the dialogue, none of the interactions, even if the character himself never said it, “nigger” or things to that effect never came up.

It would be inauthentic because we know about the history of racism and bigotry, the rampant use of the word to refer to African-Americans and here comes some book taking place on the south attempting to paint a picture of life in the south that never ONCE refers to its use or uses it.  That would be unbelievable and ungenuine.

Allen made no racist remarks; Webb wrote some racist remarks.  If you justify for Webb, why not for Allen?  Your partisan bias is showing.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Allen made no racist remarks; Webb wrote some racist remarks.  If you justify for Webb, why not for Allen?  Your partisan bias is showing.

Why are you still stuck on Webb and his remarks.  I know you understand the difference between the situations…this whole conversation has been about that.

Robert Wright - the acclaimed black author - in his famous book “Black Boy” is describing the situation as it existed for a black person growing up in a different era.  He made HEAVY use of the word “nigger”...is Robert Wright a racist?  Does he hate black people?

But…but…didn’t Robert Wright ‘write those racist remarks?’  This is just ridiculous that you don’t understand how there is a difference.

As for Allen:  He said ‘macaca,’ which given the north african heritage of his family and the fact that it is a curse word in that region…its suspicious but its no ‘smoking gun’ if you will.  Of course, you add that together with accounts from numerous people about his bigotry, his use of ethnic and racial slurs including the use of “nigger,”  his fascination with the Confederacy and the south (despite coming from California), his support for candidates and people who definitely where racists and old segregationists, his hangmans noose in his office…well, I’m sorry I personally think the man is racist and I don’t blame people who think so too.

Yet Webb had to repeat the most graphic elements of what he claimed to see. 

I saw my dog poop in the front yard, but I didn’t feel the need to write about it….until now that is.

Since it apparently happens it’s ok for him to publicize it.

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is Robert Wright a racist?

If he’s a Democrat he’s not, according to Democrats.  They can get away with anything. 

In fact the Democrats will send apologists out to cover for any perversion a Democrat writes about.

Hard to believe.

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Until the lefties attempted to smear Allen with it, I never heard the term “macaca”, and it certainly has no racial meaning for me.  Not so “monkeyfaced”.  See the difference?  The lefties started all this with their smear attempt on Allen, and now you guys are squealing because you are getting a taste of your own medicine.  Get used to it.  We are now going to be fighting back; you have summoned the whirlwind.  You want this to go away: repent, atone and stop practicing the Clinton “politics of personal destruction”, then we’ll see.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Oh my lord, we are going into ‘dumbass’ territory.

“nigger” is an offensive word - should Robert Wright never have mentioned it.  He also writes about how his father was killed by a group of white men when they let a street car run him over. 

You: “But did Robert Wright have to repeat the most graphic elements of what he saw and experienced.” 

What kind of kiddie, PC’s up, inauthentic book that is so devoid of anything that is ‘not nice’ would be written if you had the choice.  Do you have no appreciation for what authors try and do, the point of paining real pictures, not some Disney cartoon?

So far the only person I’ve ever seen the “N” word on this Blog is Okya.

Some Democrat accusing a Republican of uttering that 30 years ago is proof of racism, but that Democrats apologists can come around here and use it willy nilly all the while of accusing Republicans of racism.

I think we’ve figured it out.

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I don’t know what Robert Wright was - he was black btw.

I seriously doubt his use of the word “nigger” meant that he was anti-black.

Unless you are

The other guy who responded doesn’t even warrant a response as I believe his issues with “monkeyface” are the same as yours.  And the rest of his post is so much “blah blah”.

I mean, “unless you are” saying that, not

that you are racist

all put together:

many U.S. youth (AZN?) Asians greet each other with a “wut-up my nigga!”

Yep the guy accusing others of racism is using the most racist word.  Why am I not surprised.

Other than that what do I care about the works of Robert Wright.  Are you claiming he’s running to be the Senator from Virginia.

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I seen many give the following responce and one does something very cool:  “you the masta!” and the response: “yeah, my niggaah!”

..I’ve seen many give the following responce to someone doing something very cool:  “you the masta!” and the reply: “yeah, my niggaah!”

Like I said - we are in “dumbass territory” now.

Yes, I am using the word, but look at the context.  I’m not using it as a insult but as a true representation of what was said.

Robert Wright wrote it in his books because thats what white folks called him…he didn’t write “n-word” n##$%.

if you don’t understand the difference between using “nigger” in a manner meant to be racist or in the manner I used it than it is all to clear to me why you guys are so stuck about Webb.

Context is a concept that just seems to fly over peoples heads here.

But, I suspect its not, its just a weak attempt to win or deflect from an argument you are losing.

Oh, and btw: I’m mexican-american myself, I wouldn’t dream of being a bigot or racist to another people because that was how I was raised, and because I know what racism feels like and I wouldn’t dream of subjecting other peoples - especially my fellow minorities - to the same crap.

Oh, and btw: I’m mexican-american myself, I wouldn’t dream of being a bigot or racist

Yes, racist bigots can’t be racist bigots if they are a racist bigot minority.  On the other hand they’re able to sling the charge to people that aren’t.

Logical.

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Why not post the rest of my quote which explains Why I wouldn’t be a racist.

I know racism, I’ve felt it directed at me, I wouldn’t want to do that to others - especially fellow minorities who go through the same (and in the case of black people worse) thing.

Oh excuse me though. I’m just some racist talking…Hahaha

Why I wouldn’t be a racist.

Oh there’s an excuse to your behavior?

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So I assume this bruhaha with Webb is done and I won the argument because now its moved on to this.

A Black man - Robert Wright - in his autobiography “Black Boy” a well aclaimed book that was in fact required reading in high-school.

He used the word “nigger” all the time because that was what white folk called him…that is just being descriptive because that is the truth of what they called him.  Would you suggest that Mr. Wring is a black-hating racist (he being black himself) for his use of that word in his book?

Answer yes or no.  Nothing else.  Yes?  No?

What is Wright running for again? 

Are you comparing the Wright’s work where he repeatedly used the “N” word with Webb’s work? 

wow.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
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Yes?

or

No?

Is Wright a racist?
Am I a racist?

Yes or No?

Irrelevant.

Yes or No

Why are you talking about Wright is he running for something?

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Irrelevant, the situations are similar. Both authors writing about genuine places, in real ways, except one uses a fictional “american character”, the other (wright) himself.

Yes or No?

Are we all racists?

Is Wright?
Am I?

Answer yes or no.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I kinda thought that book was written some 25-30 years ago. And it surfaces now so maybe Alfred Hitchcock secretly fantasized about chopping women up in the shower. Man what is that smell? Oh yeah it is desperate pre-voting panic. As for people worried about Foley giving the Righteous Right a bad name,that is pure hogwash as history has proven most christians and catholics prefer boys 8-12 years old and in almost all of the cases a 16 year old is “off limits”. Ya see boys this age can fight back. Father Ritter must be posting on here now.

Did this wright mention some perverted sexual situations like Webb did? 

Is that what your talking about?

Notice your leftie buddy smears all Catholics but a Democrat politician can write about such things and they’re supposed to get a pass.

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Oyka: Despite your pathetic attempts to change the subject, Webb is getting payback for his pathetic smear attempts on Allen.  What goes around comes around.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Both Whistler and Robert108 are being dishonest and disingenuous in their posts.

It has become obvious reading their posts that they are content to take things out of context in order to do the nasty neocon tactic of accusing their opponents of what they, themselves are guilty of.

And if you don’t think conservatives are rife with pedophiles, and that Foley isn’t one, you just aren’t ignoring the elephant in the living room.

Okya, it seems, is trying to engage you in debate, but you aren’t taking him seriously. Instead you two are baiting him with red herring arguments that are so obviously flawed as to not be taken seriously.

If you indeed take these false arguments seriously, then conversation and debate is moot because we are engaging with insincere hacks.

But first, I must sincerely try to elicit some sense from all of this rubbish that i have heard being spewed on this board.

First of all, I hate the pc term “the N word”. It is in and of itself insincere and pretty much seems like an ivory tower perspective thing for those who have little or no courage. Using the term “nigger” is a far cry from applying that name to a person and censoring the word is foolish and stupid, in my opinion. Now if someone comes up and calls you a nigger or uses it to classify people, then you can take exception to it and take action. But to demonize someone for just uttering the word is dishonest and foolish.

Second of all, it is a major mistake to judge other cultures by our standards. The same goes for other cultures to judge us by their cultural standards. It doesn’t wash.

For whatever reason, whistler and robert seem to do this when they call an exchange that is culturally acceptable in the time and place that it occurred and attach the word “molestation” to it, judging by our cultural norms and standards, here and now.

To me, this seems to be purposefully disingenuous in order to muddy the waters and diffuse the debate.

Dishonest is the word that keeps coming to mind.

We’re not talking about anything or anybody else but Robert Wright, and myself.

Is Wright racist?
Am I?

Yes or no?

Bear: I am neither Jewish or a recently turned conservative, so your smear term “neocon” doesn’t apply to me.  Webb tried to smear Allen about the obscure word “macaca”, and now his own racist utterances are fair game.  What he described in his book is molestation in his own country, and in the country in which the book was published.  He obviously meant to use this behavior to elicit sensationalism, and now he is getting the rewards of his chosen behavior.  My main point is that he is getting what he put out, and that is justice being served.  You seem confused.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Bear you seem to be forgetting that there were infamous passages besides the father and his boy.  That may be culturally ok in Vietnam, but he wrote the book for publication in the US.  I also find it odd that all of a sudden everyone knows that’s normal.

Oyka seems to be willing to throw around the charge that certain politicians are racist because of unsubstantiated charges.  On the other hand Oyka gives Democrats and liberals (himself included) a free pass on whatever they may do.

In order to change the subject he’s gone off on some tangent.

I’m sorry I used the phrase “N” word, and your right it’s a joke.  But it’s a fact that a conservative will be attacked if they ever should utter it, while liberals are awarded for using it artistically I guess.

So if the term “N” word offends you sorry, but just the use of that points out the ridiculousness of the left who assume the right to make up the rules.

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Yes or No?

Why no answer to such a simple question?

Is it because if you answer what you know is true, if you are honest with your self and answer what you know, than you know it will mean having to consede that Webb is no racist either.

Allen on the other hand…and its not just about macaca, its the whole body of stories coming out about him that lead me to believe he’s racist.

Outie, I have to go to work now, but I so enjoyed teaching a few lessons here.

Republican record on perversion:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles

Nuff’ said on that subject, can you argue with the public record? Most all of these accusations are substantially documented.

By the way, none of these are works of fiction…..

Okya, if you go back to fourth comment in this now long thread you’ll see that I’ve been wondering what these other authors have to do with the filth that Jim Webb wrote.

What’s the relevence?

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None of what you present, even if true, makes any difference to the consequences of Webb’s actions.  Those consequences are richly deserved, and your pathetic attempts to change the subject are beneath contempt.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Notice Bear throwing manure at the Republicans while chiding us from thinking that Webb’s public record should be public.

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10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

I think that the extremes, both left and right are farcical.

I do know that the party in power is rife with abuse and that the only thing being done in Iraq is making of money for interested parties and special interests. I also know that the cost in human lives is ridiculous.

I will not support anyone who goes along with these travesties wholesale.

Our country is turning into something that I never would have imagined it to. I am a vet who has been to the middle east and this isn’t what I fought for.

I will debate this more with you later, I must get ready for work.

Sincere debate is one thing, farcical bantering over non-controversy is ridiculous.

Bear thinks that both extremes are farcical while providing a link to a farcical website. 

hmmmmmm.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

I think that the extremes, both left and right are farcical.

And then presents only far-leftie talking points.  I call Hypocrisy!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Hey I pointed out the hyprocrisy first!

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

I so enjoyed teaching a few lessons here.

The lesson is,apparently, if you can’t refute the main point, see if you can try to get a concession on some minor, irrelevant point and hammer it hard!Then declare victory and leave!

Is Wright racist?
Am I?

Did Wright ghost-write Webb’s book? If not, then it is so far off topic as to be laughable. We are looking at the accountability of Webb for his own words, and no one has called him a racist…

BTW is it possible to start a thread that isn’t hijacked by the master race baiters?

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

master race-baiters, to eliminate any doubt!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Yep that’s what they are.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

TW:

Hey I pointed out the hyprocrisy first!

You have my acknowledgement.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Okya was right. To equate fiction with fact is nonsense.The mounting evidence that Allen is indeed a racist is fact, and has become convincing. Both canidates have short-changed Virginia with constant mud-slinging rather than discuss real issues. I am ready to write in Dear Abby for the Senate. At least she has some common sense

Okya was first claiming it was fiction, then he was claiming it really happened. 

I guess I missed the mounting evidence that Allen is a racist.  I thought that amounted to an accusation.

On the other hand there were some equally unsubstantiated antique charges against webb, but they were against a Democrat so they don’t count?

The main thing is that Webb wrote and published that filth.  Why is it it’s out of bounds now?  Does he deny that he wrote it?

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

To equate fiction with fact is nonsense.

True! And maybe that’s why NO ONE was doing it!

We were comparing words to words… Any one want to argue that Webb didn’t use words in his books????

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Anyone want to argue that the choice of words in a book (or a blog) in no way reflects on who the author is as a person?

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

But Proof; he’s a Democrat, the rules don’t apply to him.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Allen’s use of the n-word in the 70’s is a non-issue to me.  If you read and saw how that word was used back then, it was a part of everyday life.  His use of macaca could have been a story limited to a couple of days if he would have told everybody where he picked it up.  I don’t buy the “I made it up on the spot and I combined two words” defenses.  Webb’s books are listed as fiction, so those statements from those books should not be used. 

Shouldn’t we be debating issues and what the facts say instead of going over and over about crap that was done long ago?  It does nothing but get people frustrated with politicians with all this finger-pointing about stuff that does not matter to them.

Whistler, just because YOU deem the website farcical, doesn’t make it so. It also doesn’t make the facts of these staunchly conservative republican pedophiles records any different.

I looked for a similar list for democrats and couldn’t find one. The only thing my search came up with was republicans ACCUSING democrats of supporting pedophiles, along with homosexuals.

So, your taunt is just that, a taunt, with no basis in fact, appealing to emotion and therefore uncalled for and irrelevant.

Now, debate the facts, if you wish, or continue to erode your credibility by proffering arbitrary opinion as fact.

Webb started it; now, if he sincerely repents and atones, we might be able to get on with the real stuff.  He needs to take responsibility for lowering the level of discourse here.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

leave it to you two guys to holler hypocrisy instead of arguing facts. The only reason you guys call it a “far-leftie” talking point is that it doesn’t show up on Rush’s show or the O’Reilly factor.

So, what you are telling me is that NONE of those Republicans listed there are guilty of what the courts have found them guilty of. That NONE of those facts are true. They are just dismissed as “leftie talking points” and dismissed with “contempt”.

Just as I suspected. You aren’t here to debate facts, you are here to decry anything that questions the acts and motives of the status quo within the current administration.

This makes the point moot and I don’t bother with contempt, such an emotion would be wasted in this case. There is no debate, just silly argument that devolves into name-calling.

Pity. I had hoped to find something more intelligent.

You see, I have friends on both the left and the right, and in the middle, and those that don’t care either way.

You may find out some day that cooperation comes with respect and respect is earned. America has lost the respect it once had, things will have to change if we are ever to earn the respect of other nations. It will not be done by bullying, blackmail, at the point of a weapon, nor by cheap shots, nor by childish bickering justified by “what goes around comes around” (as if that were some sort of eternal wisdom, where everyone nods their head in knowing agreement.)

Debate is over the moment you stop talking about facts and appeal to emotional issues and ignore the facts. You two have been outed and this debate is done.

whistler and robert have addressed none of the points I bring up. Instead, they make arbitrary emotional judgments based upon their own bias and dismiss the messenger.

Nothing like ducking the issues, is there.

Just got back from work and I find these laughable replies to a serious attempt to discuss issues with what appear to be zealots, unwilling or unable to discuss any of the issues brought to bear in the discussion.

James Webb writes books steeped in racism, sexual perversion, and caste-ism. And yes, I know this because I have read, and own, novels written by the man. Justify your stupidity now, bear.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

whistler and robert have addressed none of the points I bring up. Instead, they make arbitrary emotional judgments based upon their own bias and dismiss the messenger.

Nothing like ducking the issues, is there.

Your attempts to ‘jack this thread to your leftie lie that only Republicans are pedophiles is not only ridiculous on its face, but irrelevant to the subject of this thread, which is that Webb, the hypocrite, is getting his comeuppance for playing the race card, instead of dealing with the issues.  Expect to be ignored if you continue to try to change the subject to your version of RDS.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

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< I am neither Jewish or a recently turned conservative, so your smear term “neocon” doesn’t apply to me. >

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Robert108, it seems you are the one confused. I made no reference to you being jewish. You must not know what a neocon is. And I never mentioned you being a recently turned conservative either. Please get your facts straight when discussing issues.  Neocon isn’t a slur, it is an actual group. Most of the Bush administration is comprised of neocons who are also major members of the Project for a New American Century, (PNAC).

If you spent any time studying issues, you might know such things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

Educate yourself, if you have the ability to do so. The above URL is just a beginning point.

And you, whistler, don’t engage in false accusations, cheap trick, but the sure sign of a charlatan.

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< Notice Bear throwing manure at the Republicans while chiding us from thinking that Webb’s public record should be public. >

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I slung no manure, but pointed out FACTS and challenged you to debate them intelligently, which you have so far miserably failed to do.

Now, point out exactly where I said that Webb’s record should not be made public, or where I chided you about it. You will not find one instance. You two seem bent on innuendo and half-truths and outright lies to substantiate your points. I have yet to see any facts brought to bear to prove your arguments.

Now if you want to talk about TWISTING the facts, or TWISTING and TORTURING the public record, yes, I will point that out in a heartbeat.

In the end, you two guys are acting like trolls and this is become a circus with 2 clowns patting themselves on the back for pratfalls.

2hotel9, You are accusing me of stupidity and of trying to justify stupidity.

Where does that come into debate and discussion? If you feel that Webb is racist because of the fictional books he has written, fine. Your choice.

I am not here to defend Webb, or attack Webb, but I will call out against nonsense when I see it.

And if you and others wish to label me a leftie for it, go ahead. Doesn’t make it true and it doesn’t make these piss poor arguments any more viable.

It does show the level of intelligence that I am dealing with, since none of you have risen above the level of troll in these discussions.

Vague emotional responses with no addressing of facts isn’t debate nor discussion, but elementary school prattle.

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< Webb started it… >

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What a childish response.

What a childish response.

Like your threadjack Republican smear.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

bear: Let me ‘splain it to you: neo(new), con(conservative)  This refers to former liberals who have recently converted to conservatism or have recently become conservative.  They are mostly Jewish, and the lefties hate them because they have escaped from the Dem plantation of “favored groups” who could be counted on to always vote overwhelmingly Dem.  It is a covert antisemitic term, which now explains my comment.
The Dems try to characterize them as warmongers, which only illustrates their hatred for anyone with a diversity of opinion.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

If you feel that Webb is racist because of the fictional books he has written, fine. Your choice.

Bear,

Just out of curiosity, how many years ago was it that Mark Twain’s classic, Huckleberry Finn, was being excoriated as a racist book that should be taken out of school libraries and curricula?  despite the fact that is is argued, rightly I think, that Huck Finn’s famous line defending his friendship with Nigger Jim,

“All right then, I’ll go to hell.”

is the most profound and succinct literary exposition of what it means to be an American in all of literature.