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Google for “Cloward-Piven Strategy” and you will understand that ACORN is NOT engaged in traditional ballot-box stuffing.  They know many, even most, of their bogus registrations will be thrown out.  They even know they will be raided, investigated, indicted, jailed, etc.  They don’t care about all that.

What ACORN and their allies are about is CLOGGING THE SYSTEM.  NOT making elections more “democratic,” but making elections suspect and eventually impossible.

Giving mortgages to poor or otherwise unqualified people was NOT about improving the lives of poor people.  It was always about destroying the banking system.

Tax increases are NOT about balancing the budget, but ruining the economy.

Someone has said that a Democrat/Marxist first breaks your legs, then offers you a “free” wheelchair.

Obama’s agenda is BREAKING everything he can get his hands on, and then taking it over because it has “failed.”

Mighty voter fraud from little ACORNs grow!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

I’m sure this will ruffle some feathers but who cares?. Why not in the areas that the voter registration pool is being investigated for contamination by questionable orgs like ACORN just revert back to the 2006 list of registered voters except for those individuals who registered through state validated agencies?

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

Are the ACORN people getting rewarded for the number of registrations they submit?  It might be nothing more than people trying to do what they were asked, get registrations.

In one of my first sales gigs, we had to come back with business cards of CIO’s or Operations Managers and show our boss that we canvassed a business park and did our jobs. We had to come back with 20 business cards and three appointments.

There is nothing illegal by getting someone to register at the same address 72 times.  The question is did they get him to register at different addresses.

Some of you can’t see the forrest through the trees.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Some of you can’t see the forrest through the trees.

Han, if it had been an organization tied to McCain would you feel the same way?

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

^ be honest Han.

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

H,

If you came back with 20 of the same business cards what would have happened..?  Or 3 appointments with the same individual..? 

Oh, and yes they do get compensated for the amount of signatures.

atease

atease

I have a question and I’d seriously like an answer.

I realize that your masters have declared ACORN the Agents of Goldstein du jour, but when did you first hear about them?

Just wonderin’ is all.

If you came back with 20 of the same business cards what would have happened..?  Or 3 appointments with the same individual..?

It’s not that I would come back with 20 of the same cards.  But my office had at least 20 guygs doing the same thing.  And many of us came back with the same cards.  And sometimes we would go back a few weeks later to collect that same card because it was on the front desk. 

Sometimes you take short cuts.  I can imagine Acorn doing the same thing.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

And sometimes we would go back a few weeks later to collect that same card because it was on the front desk. 

Nobody got called on it and/or fired? Sounds like you worked for a poorly managed company. Does that company still exist?

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

i wonder how many votes obama’s people have bought.  i’m sure most of the fraud is in the battle states, especially ohio.  they should throw out all the early votes.  state officials that have promoted this situation should be held responsible.

There is nothing illegal by getting someone to register at the same address 72 times

ACORNs BS is indefensible. Legal definition of voter fraud:

This definition covers knowingly and willingly giving false information to establish voter eligibility, and knowingly and willingly voting illegally or participating in a conspiracy to encourage

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

I’m feeling….“disenfranchised.”

Nobody got called on it and/or fired? Sounds like you worked for a poorly managed company. Does that company still exist?

That shows what you know.  It wasn’t the activity of the sales people that was the problem.  It was the ineffective approach to the marketplace that was the problem.

The customer is better served with a tactical team of individuals that used a CRM tool instead of being bombarded by multiple people, from the same company, on a constant basis.

Eventually, our company adopted the methods managed by MCI, who had a much more sophisticated and professional approach to managing its customers and its efforts to strategically seek new ones.

In this circumstance, you don’t get judged solely on the number of cards you return with.  You are rated on your performance of billed revenue.  And that is not counting what you sold, but instead what was billed.  Which is an entirely different picture.

So to spell it out.  You only lost your job if you couldn’t bring in revenue.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

But my office had at least 20 guygs doing the same thing.  And many of us came back with the same cards.
Hannitized

The use of anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy and is sometimes informally referred to as the “person who” fallacy (“I know a person who. ...) It shouldn’t be used to try to prove a point in a debate.

But, thanks for sharing….

Smart business managers understand their business.  And if you create a system that can encourage short cutting, it is going to happen, unless you are paying people a lot of money up front and they have nothing to lose.

Just as forecasting taken to a ridiculous level only creates over complicated bureaucracy and fudged numbers. 

Smart business use CRM tools today that can automatically generate forecasts when their employees generate quotes for their customers.  Reports can be generated from this CRM tool for projections that need to be prepared for the board or executive management.

What needs to be investigated with ACORN is it’s methods for collecting registered voters and the incentive program that is motivating it’s volunteers or employees.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Slackers involved in fraud?

No Free Lunch

Joel,

Of course you provide no evidence or information to support your claim.  You merely throw it out there and state it as fact.

Here is some evidence that shows how effective anecdotal evidence can be.
Anecdotal Evidence

By CHRIS SUELLENTROP
Andrew Sullivan, to put it mildly, doesn’t like Sarah Palin. But 15 minutes into the vice presidential debate, he thinks she’s winning. “She’s chipper; she’s full of folksy anecdotes; she’s attacking Wall Street,” Sullivan writes at his blog for The Atlantic. “She keeps talking about ‘Joe Six-Pack’ and ‘Hockey moms.’ No real substance from Palin but Biden seems off-stride, and flat. He sounds, well, Washington.”

He later adds, “So far, she’s winning not the arguments but the chipper series of anecdotes and the style factor are making her more attractive a figure than Biden.”

It’s workin for sarah Palin….

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Slackers involved in fraud

In this case, fraud hasn’t been proven, only feared and suggested.

As I said, there is no crime in registering to vote 72 times, from the same address.  It will only count once.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Unfortunately I would have to agree with Han. If their incentive was to get as many sigs as possible to get paid, I could see this happening. All the more incentive for government to shut down an organization that implements this system for registration. It just begs corruption.
Right Han?

To a degree I think you have a point mplsbob.  I can’t speculate that the intention of ACORN is to destroy the democratic process, because I have no evidence.

But I do agree that there is potential for people to cheat the system, if the system is set up where there is no punishment for cheating, only rewards.

As I said.  There is nothing illegal with asking a guy to register to vote, over and over and over and over.  Unless he registers fraudulently in an instance.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

That shows what you know.  It wasn’t the activity of the sales people that was the problem.  It was the ineffective approach to the marketplace that was the problem.

Actually, han, what you said clears management and places the onus on sales. I asked Nobody got called on it and/or fired? Sounds like you worked for a poorly managed company. Does that company still exist?   Isn’t sales responsible for training their sales professionals, not management? Or is it the consumers fault for not being receptive to the product your sales team is selling?

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

H,
If you want to learn the proper use of reason and logic as it applies to debate, don’t bug me about it, get your ass back into school. Start with Critical Thinking 101.

Thanks for…sharing, though…

If you want to learn the proper use of reason and logic as it applies to debate, don’t bug me about it,

So speaketh the guy who had to plagiarize Wikipedia to make an argument.  Yeah, don’t think I didn’t notice.

And further, the entire story is anecdotal you genius.  You can debate anecdotal evidence with anecdotal evidence.

You are not that bright dude.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

In this case, fraud hasn’t been proven, only feared and suggested.

If you walk into a 7-11 and find the cash register drawer missing and the clerk on the floor with a bullet hole in his head, it is a pretty safe assumption that there has been an armed robbery… although that hasn’t been “proven” either.

ACORN and Obama’s “progressive” defenders would have us believe that these are merely isolated incidents to be explained away as greed, stupidity or over-exuberance.  But we are now up to a dozen different states, and this is not the first election in which these voter registration anomalies have come to light.

Given the Obama campaign’s illicit $832,000 payments and the attempt by congressional Democrats to slip tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to ACORN in the recent bailout bill, it would take the willing suspension of disbelief, to coin a phrase, not to recognize this as a nationwide attempt to subvert our electoral system in favor of radical Left candidates… such as Barack Obama.

The ONLY appropriate solution is a RICO investigation and prosecution.  If it was good enough for the Gambino family, its good enough for ACORN.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Isn’t sales responsible for training their sales professionals, not management?

Spartacus,

In the case of ACORN, didn’t Barack Obama train their people?

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

it would take the willing suspension of disbelief..
BatOne

Nice touch, Bat !  I wonder if others remember Hillary’s statemets during General Petraeus’s testimony.

Spartacus,

In the case of ACORN, didn’t Barack Obama train their people?

Bat, no indication as of yet that HE trained them, but it is a question worth looking into.

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

^ actually, I’d be more willing to believe that the O-man learned from the likes of ACORN

At least when George Bush was reading My Pet Goat, he genuinely had no idea Manhattan was being terrorized. And it wasn’t by his own plane.

I asked Nobody got called on it and/or fired? Sounds like you worked for a poorly managed company. Does that company still exist?

You asked if anyone got fired, which puts the responsibility on management, not the employees.  How can an employee fire themselves?  Then you even said sounds like you worked for a “poorly managed company” which shows that you even understood that the responsibility was, in your mind, at least partly with management.

And in a large corporations, sales management dictate practice, not sales.

Or is it the consumers fault for not being receptive to the product your sales team is selling?

It’s not that they weren’t receptive.  They were very receptive.  They just didn’t like being constantly bombarded by multiple reps.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

You asked if anyone got fired, which puts the responsibility on management,

I should have also added, but puts the blame on sales.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Ineffective practice produces ineffective results.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

So speaketh the guy who had to plagiarize Wikipedia to make an argument.

Oh, like you did after you got caught with that dumb “Only liberals and Democrats were assassinated” argument you put forth? You plagiarized wiki trying to dig yourself out of that one! (And it didn’t sound like you understood what you “borrowed”, either!)

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Hannitized: 

there is no crime in registering to vote 72 times, from the same address.  It will only count once.

Perhaps, but it speaks very clearly to the horrendous assault on voting safeguards by the workers for ACORN.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

As I said.  There is nothing illegal with asking a guy to register to vote, over and over and over and over.  Unless he registers fraudulently in an instance.

Actually, knowingly submitting multiple applications for a person is considered fradulant and IS therefore illegal. The rules are essentially the same for voter registration, signing petitions, and other similar activities. You are not allowed to knowingly sign up more than once, or knowingly sign someone else up more than once. There’s a reason they ask “are you registered to vote?” If the answer is yes, they are to back up. Doing otherwize is fradulant.

It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

there is no crime in registering to vote 72 times, from the same address.  It will only count once

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Cleveland -Ohio:

“Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 times over 18 months, officials said.”

The major risk of fraud growing out of mass canvassing like this involves the possibility of ineligible voters filing absentee ballots, and thus avoiding checks at polling places.

Registering 72 people at the “same” address is illegal and is one of the many accusations against ACORN.

H,
Why do you suppose the people in Milwaukee and Cleveland, who submitted applications for already-registered voters, are being “subpoenaed” [called as witnesses by a judge] if it’s not fraudulent?

Of the 32 ACORN workers referred Wednesday to Milwaukee’s Assistant District Attorney Bruce Landgraf:

• Seventeen apparently filled out voter applications and then signed the cards themselves. That involved two to four cards in each case.

• Twelve submitted cards for individuals who later told ACORN they never filled out an application. That involved one card in each case.

• One submitted a card for a dead voter. That was the second such case; a Voters Project worker previously submitted a card for a deceased voter.

• One was apparently making up driver’s license numbers for an unknown number of voters.

• One submitted about a half-dozen applications for already-registered voters.

H,

The definition of “logical fallacy” can be found on a hundred different web sites.

You constantly make a fool of yourself because you have no critical thinking skills.

I used the Wiki sourced definition to try to help you out. You’re not nearly as clever as you think. Rather than improving your skills in this area, you are getting worse and worse with each passing day.

It’s hardly plagiarism to use a “reference source” such as Wiki to find a simple definition, in order to post it…. I never claimed that I came up with the concept. It’s been around at least since Socrates.

I need to look up a few more words…so I’ll get back to you after I plagiarize the dictionary.