Moderates and The Republican Party and Lessons to Be Learned

There’s a very interesting debate going on now in the Republican party concerning the supposed purge of moderates out of the Republican party.
I’d like to add in my two cents that the Republican Party has been nominated abashed moderates for their last four nominees for President.
The only one to have any electoral success of their own, aside from riding Ronald Reagans coat tails, wound up driving the Republican Party to it’s lowest ebb since Watergate.
Rather than doing any good it’s been a recipe for disaster. It hasn’t even done that much good with independents because the dinosaur media still labels a John McCain (a true moderate) a right winger. The true extremist, Barack Obama, was able to defeat a true moderate. That’s working out well for the country right now.
George W Bush was conservative in some things, but spent money like a Democrat. What’d that do except for give the Democrats a reason to bash him on his spending like mad themselves? Dole, Bush1 and McCain all made efforts to work with the Democrats and none of them were the better for it.
Don’t run on being conservative the left is working hard to make the label as toxic as “liberal” has become. Run on the issues and we’ll be fine. The country is a conservative country and will support conservative ideas but if we let them label us they have a chance of winning.

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  • http://Array sayanything-9974

    Dino – Check the numbers. Even fewer admit being Liberals or Democrats. That’s has to hurt your whole diatribe and smartest guy in the room attitude.

  • sayanything-9974

    I Would be all for that if we did’nt have to fund too. You like those programs so much then you find them.

  • sayanything-9974

    Yeah spanky thats like me telling you that the Dems/ need to nominate a Blue dog fiscally reponsible, pro life candidate. The Republicans need to stand on principles and draw the distinctions between Liberal and conservative philosophy. If the Republicans offer up Dem lite as the alternative we will never win again. There is a clear and distinct difference in ideologies (Freedon and Liberty vs. Socialism and Tyranny). We have tried and failed (once again) when nominating a country club republican.
    We followed the ‘sage’ advice of Colin Powell only to see him back the Democrat. But to be fair, that was just so he would not be called an ‘Uncle Tom’ by the Bro’s. We have all heard the race baiting hate mongers play that card at every opportunity. Back on the porch Juan Wiilliams. We need to stand up to the bullys and push back with a clear and articulate vision. Then we need to stick with the principles and not change after elected. Let the Dems remain the party of Corruption and expose it. We are better than that and should accept nothing less.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    What makes you think that anyone cares what you think?

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    I told the truth about Carter, and am not interested in your homoerotic fantasies, ellinas.

    Since you continue with your pathological lying, expect to be smacked with the truth on a regular basis. Unless you choose to stop lying, of course.

    Try being honest and knowing what you’re talking about, and i won’t have to smack you.

  • sayanything-106

    Wrong, gong sock puppet, they voters rejected NOBAMA and his liberalism.

  • AKA WOOF

    Country is full of Conservatives who love
    Social Security and Medicare and public education.
    Issues vs illusions.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    It is true; Dems have been running deficit spending to fund their wasteful social spending schemes since FDR. It’s a Dem tactic.

    Your ignorance of economic history doesn’t change the facts.

  • sayanything-42

    How about that vote in Vermont, din?

    31 for 31 against you when placed for a referendum.

  • sayanything-12

    I’ll note that DINO is basing his beliefs on a trash poll result.

    This is a lot more accurate.

    Right now there are 6% more Democrats than Republicans by declared affiliation. A little more than a year ago it was 10%.

    Guess who is losing ground?

  • sayanything-12

    By the way, to be clear, I don’t blame Reagan for the increase in national debt. The House and Senate are responsible for writing fiscal bills not the presidency, and they were controlled by the Democrats during that period. During the period of Clinton’s presidency where the deficit went down, I similarly give credit to the Republicans in the House and Senate, not the “I’m distracted by what’s behind my fly” Bill Clinton.

  • sayanything-106

    DINO you have no idea what the hell your talking about. Conservatives didn’t run this country into the ground over spending RINOs and Dems are the ones that ran this country into the ground. STFU. You’re dismissed.

  • Hanni

    Rob and Carol use Medicare, because they paid for it. But they spend all their breath talking about other people should buy their own healthcare, and that Medicare should go away.

    It’s just more evidence that they don’t actually believe what they say. Do as I say, not as I do.

    Cons are the first to collect unemployment and first to accept welfare and Medicare/Medicaid.

    The last time I collected unemployment was when I was in my teens. I started my own business in college and sold it, and then went to the corporate world.

    What does Rob do? Nothing, he has done nothing professionally worth while…but pretends to speak about how businesses work.

    The people who bitch and complain and poison the political debate aren’t normal people doing normal jobs or creating anything, but hatred.

  • lock’m'up

    Bush started the whole socialist trend that Obama is continuing. We need conservatives. Lots of people think calling themselves Republican makes them conservatives. That’s why some polls show low numbers of conservatives. We need to educate the masses that they can be conservatives, and influential, without backing the Republican policies that got us into this mess.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    The Dems lied to him to prevent him from using his veto. It was after the bill passed that they broke their promise, idiot.

    You really need a good education, ellinas.

    BTW, that out of context quote that you parrot doesn’t mean what you think it means, liar.

  • sayanything-106

    You’re right Whistler No cares what the vile sodomite DINO thinks.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    With this bunch in control, the country is being shaped by Marx, Lenin and Mao. We should be having the Constitution and the founding principles shape our country, not any group of politicians.

  • sayanything-12

    Goon:

    I am going to call sheningans that is a load of crap, Bush spent a load of money, Reagan didn’t.

    Reagan spent a lot of money too, and he wasn’t fighting two foreign wars during most of his presidency. Reagan took the national debt from 20% of GDP to 50% of GDP.

    Bush took it from 60% to 80%, most of that in the last year of his presidency (TARP).

    graphic.

    My impression is a lot of the lost seats had to do with early retirements from people who didn’t like the direction the Republican Party was going.

  • sayanything-9974

    RBB – maybe you should change your name to revisionistbasedBob. I guess that you are just holding true to you principles – Down is up, yes is no, etc. Is a room temperature IQ necessary to believe the the blather you spew? Farenheit or Celsius would be the relevant question.

  • sayanything-106

    I am going to call sheningans that is a load of crap, Bush spent a load of money, Reagan didn’t.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    If boob ever makes it into a high school civics class, he’ll learn that spending bills originate in the House of Representatives. If he ever takes history, he’ll discover that Congress , controlled by Democrats, promised Reagan spending cuts in exchange for tax increases. Then, he’d learn that the Democrat controlled Congress betrayed Reagan (and the country) by breaking their promise and not coming through with the spending cuts.

    Wow, rbb, I’m not surprised you don’t know the facts about Reagan!

  • Hanni

    I pay into welfare, but I don’t collect it. I pay into unemployment, and I don’t use it.

    Because you pay into something doesn’t mean you have to use it….if you had principle and believed in what you said.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    You only pretend to be a sober, intelligent human being, sparkie.
    When you don’t have the facts, which is always, you just try some feeble, misguided personal attack.

  • lock’m'up

    If we keep allowing people like Bush, Romney, Reagan and Newt, to shape the country, we might as well vote Democrat.

    Identify a problem, Fix It! Identify another problem and Fix It. Continue until it’s all fixed.

  • sayanything-106

    Numbers mean nothing to morons like DINO.

  • sayanything-51

    Raygun took the US from a creditor nation to a debtor nation.
    He raised taxes more that anyone in history.
    His policies gave us a recession.
    He grew the size of government.
    He did the cut and run in Lebanon.

    Wow Goon, I’m surprised you don’t know the facts about Raygun.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    “I started my own business in college and sold it, and then went to the corporate world.”

    An obvious fairy tale; you know nothing about either economics or business, as you have demonstrated countless times on SAB.

    I thought you worked for “a utility”.

  • http://frbb.com/ robert108

    That was Carter; he ruined the money, requiring President Reagan to build it back up, he bowed down to the terrorists, so that President Reagan had to spend more money on national defense due to the increased threat; Carter also cost us trillions in lost income with his insane domestic energy restrictions. The recession was from Carter’s insane economic policies, including the weak dollar scam that Obama has used to cause a big recession. President Reagan had to rebuild our military and intel capabilities that Carter gutted.
    The Dem Congress did the cut and run, just like the Dems did in Vietnam and wanted to do in Iraq.

    You lie again, rbb, as always. You have nothing but lies.

    Don’t worry, though; I enjoy smacking you with the truth.

    President Reagan inherited a mess from Carter, and made it better.
    Even if you buy the BS that Obama “inherited” anything from President Bush(it was the Dem Congress), he has made everything much worse.
    He has more than doubled the price of oil, for instance.

  • sayanything-4416

    I would make sure they were shut out of any program they didn’t support.

    But when the goodies are handed out, cons are the first in line and take their share plus that of 10 others.

  • sayanything-4416

    LEarn? You people don’t learn ANYTHING. Even after the miserable failure of your ideology and it’s policies of deregulation and irresponsible tax cuts, you STILL support that failed ideology.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Wait a minute…when did I get on Medicare?

    And when was paying into it optional?

  • sayanything-453

    Goon in reply to ellinas:

    I am going to call sheningans that is a load of crap, Bush spent a load of money, Reagan didn’t.

    Where did you live during the Reagan Presidency?
    You keep on revering Reagan’s handling of the nations finances. Go ahead.
    The truth though is completely different from what you think you know.

  • sayanything-453

    f boob ever makes it into a high school civics class, he’ll learn that spending bills originate in the House of Representatives. If he ever takes history, he’ll discover that Congress , controlled by Democrats, promised Reagan spending cuts in exchange for tax increases. Then, he’d learn that the Democrat controlled Congress betrayed Reagan (and the country) by breaking their promise and not coming through with the spending cuts.

    Wow, rbb, I’m not surprised you don’t know the facts about Reagan!

    Did the neighbourhood Democratic calico cat eat his veto? That which you describe may have happened once. He was president for not one, but eight years.

  • sayanything-81

    the dog ate raygun veto?

    raygun supported local and state control.

    r108 and rob only pretend to align themselves with his values.

  • sayanything-453

    George W Bush was conservative in some things, but spent money like a Democrat.

    That is not true. He spent like a republican/con. Just like Reagan did. Drove the country to it’s knees with deficit spending, borrow and spend plus the national debt under Reagan and Bush went through the roof.
    They left no money for the current administration.

  • sayanything-4416

    It’s not just me. It’s all those voters who reject conservatism. It’s all those people who no longer admit to being republicans.

    The right wing is in trouble. Big trouble.

  • sayanything-7805

    What about all those out there NOT paying into it, but using it anyway. I don’t hear you berating them for using it. That’s a BIG part of the problem.

  • sayanything-81

    Does this guy meet your standards?
    http://governor.vermont.gov/
    He’s the current Republican governor of Vermont. You know goddamn well that a ideologically pure candidate would never win, even with the libs split between Dem and Progressive candidates. So, bounce him from the party? Are you f**king stupid? Recommend a hard-liner? That’s asinine.

  • sayanything-4416

    Actually, that’s false. But I’ve gotten used to your delusion!

    http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/party-id.php

    OUCH!

  • sayanything-453

    Did the neighbourhood Democratic calico cat eat his veto? That which you describe may have happened once. He was president for not one, but eight years.

  • sayanything-453

    Who is not paying into it?

  • sayanything-453

    Goon. STFU. You’re dismissed.

  • sayanything-453

    Nice story about Carter there uncle Robert. Too bad though because:

    Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…
    robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

    Don’t worry, though; I enjoy smacking you with the truth.

    About the only thing you smack with those raisin lookin’ dried out lips of yours is………..

  • sayanything-453

    robert108 :

    With this bunch in control, the country is being shaped by Marx, Lenin and Mao. We should be having the Constitution and the founding principles shape our country, not any group of politicians.

    Oh, cut the bulls#%t. No one is doing such a thing.
    And stop using stupid slogans.

  • sayanything-81

    Toot
    If you wish to correlate the successes and failures to the ‘moderate-ness’ of the pol, you need to show where and how those correlations occur. Explain your argument. As it is you do not explain why the failures are correlated to moderateness as-such. The correlation could merely be accidental, and you have done nothing to show it isn’t.

    Who cares if the stork populations and the birth rates in Europe rise and fall together? It doesn’t mean the storks bring the babies, but you, according to the logic used above, might argue that they do.

    Also, if less moderate candidates can be chosen, but are totally un-viable in national elections, what’s the point? Play to loose? Interesting position.

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