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Think I’ll wait to get a better source before castigating Romney’s staff on this one--the answer to this seems so obvious “of course nonbelievers have a place here--don’t you think I read anything by Mark Twain?” that it’s hard to believe that anyone with his campaign would have “whiffed” at such a delicious pitch.

The question is inappropriate.

To consider the question is inappropriate.

To anticipate a response to the question is inappropriate.

How would you know if some one is an atheist when they apply for a job in the private or government sector?

Why should you know what religion Romney believes in? What does what religion he belongs to have to do with the job he seeks?

The Constitution is gasping its last breaths.

If Atheists would assimilate, just as we ask Illegal Aliens to do, and quit seeking to deny the overwhelming majority of Americans their freedom of Religion, they would be wothy of respect. Until then, I will not shed a single tear for anyone of them!
Since when did a group of malcontents gain rights that trump our Constitutional Rights?
Prayer in school, ‘In God We Thrust’ on our money, ‘One Nation Under God in our Pledge of Allegiance. recognition of Christmas all are things America endorse. Who has a Right superior to ours? Only a Judge playing activism! And that does not make that Judge right!

Rob,

If Romney’s campaign is taking an “us against them” tack with regard to atheist, then I am with you.  But, please take a deep breath and look at the source of this, the left. A search in for the quote, “It is as if they’re intent on establishing a new religion in America – the religion of secularism. They’re wrong,” shows just who’s pushing this angle.  I haven’t seen the speech and I haven’t found a transcript yet, but I wonder who Mitt is talking about by “they”.  If indeed it is atheists, then I agree with your sentiments, but if this is taken out of context (as I suspect it is) and he’s talking about people like the ACLU, then I agree with Romney whole-heartedly.

BTW, I really don’t think that most “evangelicals” hate atheists or want to isolate them in public life.  Quite the opposite in fact.  I would prefer, as a Christian, to rub shoulders with non-Christians.  I don’t proselytize or preach, I just let my general attitude toward life and my service speak for itself.  Few of my acquaintances are ignorant of my faith, but I don’t push it on them.  If ever you’re in the Dallas area, I’ll be glad to buy you a beer (or two or three, Shiner Bock of course) and we’ll never even speak of religion unless you bring it up.  And even then, we made speak of Buddhism, Islam, or Shinto because I find other religions almost as fascinating as my own.

In any case, I’m pulling for Fred! and the sooner we can get past these idiots (Romney, Guiliani, and Huckabee), the better.

Lee S Gliddon Jr - Until then, I will not shed a single tear for anyone of them!

Don’t be a jerk. Atheists and agnostics are not one monolithic thinking group. We’re not all the same.

I doubt you’d find an atheist or agnostic here at this website who wants you to cry for them.

Learn to aim a little better.

Rob: While I think anyone using any sort of religious discrimination shouldn’t be considered an American, I am bothered by this division of conservatives into groups, like “secular”, “social”, “fiscal” and “evangelical”.  I think we have more strength if we stand for conservative principles, and forget the petty differences.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Rob,

Even in the source above Romney doesn’t say athiests have no place in America. He says he can’t see a positive role for them.

Which, given the way so many of the athiest groups act...isn’t that far off.

You’re making mountains out of molehills.

With Mike Huckabee surging in the polls, undoubtedly garnering support from religious “values voters,” Mitt Romney is feeling the need to horn in and he’s doing that by alienating secular conservative voters to ingratiate himself with more religious conservatives.

Gee, I guess according to Bill, this makes YOU part of the leftist propaganda wagon that is pulling Huckabee to the front, undeservingly.

Wow, that Democratic propaganda machine really has its act together to somehow get you to participate in their grand scheme.  (rolls eyes)

+1 for the Trolls.

EWS:

How would you know if some one is an atheist when they apply for a job in the private or government sector?

Um, thats not the point, the point is...ONCE THEY ARE THERE....they might not contribute in any meaningful way, like a good believer might.

+ 2 for the Trolls.

Lee:

‘One Nation Under God in our Pledge of Allegiance.

Ehhh...hate to break it to you buddy but the ORIGINAL pledge did not have that statement.  It was added later.  Idiot.

+3 for the Trolls

Likwid:

Don’t be a jerk. Atheists and agnostics are not one monolithic thinking group. We’re not all the same.

OMG....did you just say “dont be a jerk”??  Oh bruther!  How about, dont be a big meanie? 

Aww, how cute, your feelings were hurt.  If only you had a brain, you could have made a valid point instead of...well...what ever that was.

Nincompoop.

I think we have more strength if we stand for conservative principles, and forget the petty differences.

Awwww, standing together shoulder to shoulder, with those you think are non-Americans, so you can stand for Conservatard principles.  As if you would know what a principle if it hit you in the face like a wet bologna sandwich.

One Nation Under God was added in 1954 at the request of HST. I think 53 years of useage qualifies as TRADITION. Also, I resent being called names...so...GET A LIFE!

DesertCONSERVATIVE.com if you need a name.

It was added later.

For the historically challenged, it was added to differentiate us from the Godless commies.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

You know secularists have been doing everything in their power to remove the Creator from anything public and the left has been a more than a willing accomplice.  They have made it clear on numerous occasions that religious folk have little or no place in public office.  The have done their dead level best to make people of faith feel unwelcome in politics and political debate. They impune their opinions and mock their faith.  All this in a country founded upon the existence of a Creator and the blessings of liberty. 

I don’t want atheists to be pushed out in the same way.  Rather I prefer them to give deference to our philosophical and religious heritage and understand the fundamental importance of it to our liberty. 

If they will not, let atheists and atheism find another place other than America to experiment with liberty absent unalienable rights endowed by the Creator.

...let atheists and atheism find another place other than America to experiment with liberty absent unalienable rights endowed by the Creator.

Even if they succeeded in doing so, they would be using a nation created by Godly men in God’s Name as a model.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Robert:

Rob: While I think anyone using any sort of religious discrimination shouldn’t be considered an American, I am bothered by this division of conservatives into groups, like “secular”, “social”, “fiscal” and “evangelical”.  I think we have more strength if we stand for conservative principles, and forget the petty differences.

Forget the petty differences?  We’re on the verge of nominating a tax-hiking nanny stater because of his religion.

And I’m just supposed to accept that and vote for him anyway because he’s a Republican?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

We’re on the verge of nominating a
tax-hiking nanny stater because of his religion. A bit hyperbolic, I think, but that’s not what’s going to happen, unless the dividers in the MSM are successful.  IMO, the MSM will do anything to prevent a Republican President, which includes creating the illusion that Huckabee or Romney are in the running, which they know will split conservatives into several groups.  Don’t fall for their crap, Rob, please!

And I’m just supposed to accept that and vote for him anyway because he’s a Republican? I think this is a false dichotomy; we have other choices.  Don’t let the MSM crap decide for you; stick with what you know.

Anyone is better than Hillary, and any Republican is better than a Dem.  I’m sorry your rage or MSM propaganda has blinded you to that reality.  I hope you recover your vision before the election.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Anyone is better than Hillary, and any Republican is better than a Dem.  I’m sorry your rage or MSM propaganda has blinded you to that reality.  I hope you recover your vision before the election.

When it comes to the issues, there’s little difference between Hillary and Guilliani. And the more we dig into the records of Huckabee and Romney...the more unsavory details we find out about them. Huckabee has proven to be weaker on crime than the Clintons, and Romney has pushed a version of Hillarycare. Indeed, much of the difference between the candidates seems to be whether or they put an R or a D behind their names.

When it comes to the issues, there’s little difference between Hillary and Guilliani.

Even if that’s true, that “little difference” is profound.  All the Dems would make war on Republicans/conservatives, just as the ‘06 Congress has attempted to do at every turn.  It might be a matter of a difference between a 5 watt lightbulb and complete darkness, but it’s a difference.
Given the example of Pelosi/Reid, how much of a voice would Republicans/conservatives have in a Dem govt with a Dem President?  Think about it.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.