Minnesota Politicians Want To Stimulate Economy By Lowering Drinking Age

It’s not the best justification for lowering the drinking age I’ve ever heard, but add it to the pile of other good reasons.

State lawmakers in Minnesota are bringing forward a plan to lower the drinking age from 21 to 18, and even allowing those sixteen and seventeen to drink in bars in accompanied by their parents.
There are at least four state representatives who are backing the plan.
Tom Hackbarth, a Republican from District 48A said, “I think that bars and restaurants are having a difficult time right now with the smoking ban that went into place. I think with economic times the way they are, I’ve never opposed the drinking age being 18.”

At 18 you can serve in the military. You can be drafted into the military. You can move away from your parents. You can enter into contracts. If you commit a crime (including, ahem, underage drinking) you are charged as an adult and all convictions become public record.
But you can’t have a beer.
At the very least the drinking age should be 18. And I think it should be abolished entirely, because I am not at all convinced that postponing legal drinking until a time when the “kids” are living away from their parents and likely in a setting (like college) where they’re around a large number of other “kids” for whom it also just became legal to drink.
We’re fooling ourselves if we think the 21 drinking age is making us safer. We’re wasting law enforcement resources on enforcing it that could better be spent elsewhere.
Sometimes giving people more responsibility makes them more responsible. There are always going to be tragedies. There will always be fools who get themselves and others killed with their irresponsible actions. But we’re never going to make the world a perfect place.

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  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    I don’t see this one happening.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Minnesotans are facing the prospect of Al Franken as their Senator! Drinking should be made mandatory!

  • http://www.moszer.net/ Moszer

    Most people I know drank more before they were 21 then after. The people who didn’t drink as a teenager usually hit it a lot harder once they were 21 and usually were the ones to have problems.

    I agree completely, lower it to 18 for anyone and 16 or even lower w/ parents around. A few friends of mine growing up had parents that said something along the lines of “I know you are going to drink, so If you have to, do it here. If your friends are drinking have them give me their keys and they can stay here and sleep it off”

    That usually removed the novelty of the whole thing and just made it normal. Which is the best way to prevent problems if you ask me.

  • Hannitized

    I want to hold their hands……

  • http://littledogobedience.com/ danielstevens

    I do not see this much as an issue actually. It’s a minor thing.

    Daniel
    dog obedience

  • Mike

    I am so sick of ignorance in this country. Why does anyone think they have the right to tell other what to do? Anyone who supports the current drinking age at 21 is just plain uneducated or hateful and prejudiced (the two do usually go together). There really is nothing to debate, this is a matter of pure right and wrong. The drinking age should be 18 or lower.

  • dragon poker

    Encouraging more people to drink, especially younger ones, is a recipe for disaster, death and sickness. Doesn’t alcohol do enough harm to our society already?

    What you are really saying:

    Encouraging more people to practice freedom, especially younger ones, is a recipe for disaster, death and sickness. Doesn’t personal freedom do enough harm to our society already?

    You are very childlike in your decreptitude knobert.

  • Spartacus

    If you can serve your country, you should also be served alcohol.

    I think you still can legally be served under 21 in my state. I know just a few years ago you could be served if under 21 as long as you presented a valid military id, haven’t heard of any changes recently.

  • Hannitized

    i could hold those girls hands….

  • robert108

    For the record, no one need make an affirmative argument for 18 year olds being allowed to drink.

    Here’s where your lack of brainpower shows up; in order to change something, like the drinking age, an affirmative argument is necessary. Of course, you would know that, if you were either honest or intelligent. Encouraging more people to drink, especially younger ones, is a recipe for disaster, death and sickness. Doesn’t alcohol do enough harm to our society already?

    An authoritarian will always create a strawman argument to hide the truth.

    Exactly, like both the “freedom” argument and the “we can get more tax money” argument. Both are not only wrong on the facts, but promise things that increased alcohol consumption among the young will not only not deliver, but will deliver just the opposite.
    If you had a brain, that would be obvious.
    What bothers you leftie liars is morality. Reminding you of the obvious immorality of underage drinking(or any drinking at all, actually) really brings out the hate.

  • http://marriage-propose.blogspot.com/ Amit

    This is not a good thing…=\

    Marriage Propose

  • Nikki

    I think that the drinking age should be 18. I agree with the article if 21 is the legal age to be drafted, to enlist, to be charged as an adult for crimes, to enter into contracts, etc. than 18 should also be the legal age to consume alcohol.

    Plus most people I know, myself included drank as teenagers and drink far less now. I think it’s one of those forbidden fruit things. As long as you can’t legally do it you really want to once you can, the luster wears off and its not as interesting.

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    and condone them drinking deserves to have their balls or breasts removed!

    A bit HARSH, don’t you think?! You must’ve grown up with an alcoholic.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    I like the picture…..

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    When I lived in Oklahoma at age 18, I could buy 3.2 beer at age 18. Anything harder than 3.2 alcohol % was illegal for 18 year olds to buy or consume. When I moved to Texas and had my first beer at age 30 I was Shocked & not expecting to get so BUZZ from 1 beer! Perhaps if they lower the drinking age they should lower the alcohol content too? I don’t know what the statistics are for underage drunk driving accidents. Actually I don’t know what the laws are like these days for DUI. BUT if drivers licenses were taken away for at least 1 year and insurance rates hiked considerably, it might prevent drinking & driving. As far as helping the economy goes? That is a ridiculous reason to lower the drinking age.

  • robert108

    I understand that you’re too ignorant to know the difference, weird little groupie stalker.

    Keep spewing your ignorant nonsense; as usual, you are wrong about everything when you try to speak for me. You reveal your own crap by so doing.

  • dragon poker

    immorality

    The last line of defense to an authoritarian argument.
    Dipshit.

  • TLOZfreak1570

    You go dragon poker! Here is my two cents: yes there is a vaid argument that if you are in the military you should be able to drink, but aren’t the kids in the military the best and the brightest? I personally believe that there should be no legal drinking age, but only a purchasing age. Here’s my reasoning: at what point does a human being become mature enough that he or she has something “click” on in their head that says they are old enough and mature enough to drink alcohol? This could bedisputed. Now I know that alcohol may affect growing young people, this has shown up in studies done accross the board, but did you know that these studies have only focused on young adults that have been classified as “alcohol dependant” thus promoting the prohibition agenda. As a side notedid you also know that thehuman brain is not fully developed until you are 25? So why not raise the legal drinking age to 25? No because that would be an act of prohibition and the 1920s and 1930s showed us that that is inneffective. Back to the point. I believe that a lower drinking age is a step in the right direction, but more has to be done. Supplimentary to the lowering of the drinking age tere would have to be a raising of the driving age and stricter laws on drunk driving, not leaving out the possability of jail time and licenses being revoked… there is my little rant for the day…Lower the drinking age!

  • dragon poker

    Not freedom; license. There is a big difference.

    Rationalization by a confirmed control freak/authoritarian.
    Your distinction means nothing in this instance and most others. Personal Freedom means you must deal with the risk involved in others personal freedom being misused. When you pick and choose what is and isnt freedom based on your personal authoritarian pathology, you show your true colors.
    You are an authoritarian hiding in conservative clothing, willing to sacrifice young men and women to war in the name of your sorry old ass, but unwilling to approve of them being treated as adults with the same rights and responsibilities. You should be ashamed knobert.
    Pathetic, hypocritical, and as always, transparent.
    knobert the bullying dipshit strikes again!

  • Hannitized

    He said ping pong balls…

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Stimulate…

  • Hannitized

    I like breastesses.

  • bustoff

    If you can serve your country, you should also be served alcohol. How can we rationally ask our young men and women to risk their lives in military service, but deny them access to a drink? No obligation without inebriation!

  • robert108

    How does more widespread alcohol usage, especially among younger people, benefit anyone? At least attempt an affirmative argument for underage drinking, moron!
    You have no argument, only attempts at smear.

  • robert108

    Trying to sell this as “economic stimulus” is pure bullshit. It produces nothing of value, and endangers more of our population at the same time, the most vulnerable part of our population. Monumentally bad idea.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Why is that nut, Phyllis Kahn in favor of this?
    What a slacker fruitcake!
    http://www.phylliskahn.com/

  • dragon poker

    Typical prohibitionists arguments. Worthless and transparent.

  • dragon poker

    How does more widespread alcohol usage, especially among younger people, benefit anyone?

    It doesnt dipshit. You simply refuse to see your hypocricy. Thats apparent to alot of folks knobert, just not to you. Big wonder huh?
    For the record, no one need make an affirmative argument for 18 year olds being allowed to drink. This is the typical strawman bullshit you use to avoid what is actually being said. Like I said above, you are very transparent.
    The principle involved is denying young adults the rights of an adult while expecting them to shoulder the responsibilities society and the law put on them as adults. This is wrong and hypocritical, just like you knobert. A real conservative would recognize this inconsistency right away. An authoritarian will always create a strawman argument to hide the truth. The truth of course being that whatever makes you uncomfortable or rubs up against your pathological need to control others trumps principle or even reason and rationality. This is you to a tee knobert.
    The reason conservatives are on the ropes right now is because they are perceived as hypocrites. You are a shining example of this problem. Even when you are right you are perceived as a hypocrite and have no influence because of that.
    You personally have a bigger problem even than this. You are such a detestable human being that you will never be taken seriously, regardless of your hypocritical status. In order to be a positive influence to anyone, they must at least respect you, if not like you. Hardly anyone respects you and even fewer like you. Plus you are a buffoon.
    As always, you are your own worst enemy knobert.

  • robert108

    Yeah. Freedom sucks.

    Not freedom; license. There is a big difference.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    So many of you responded to a spammer who was deleted.

    Ya’ll make it hard.

  • Spartacus

    18 year old’s are not responsible enough to drink

    They’re certainly responsible enough to offer their lives to defend you right to publish your opinion WPB.

  • Spartacus

    I like the picture…..

    I do too Gene,…wondering if Rob has more showing what the blond did later with that ping pong ball in her right hand…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    It produces nothing of value, and endangers more of our population at the same time, the most vulnerable part of our population. Monumentally bad idea.

    Yeah. Freedom sucks.

  • sayanything-2483

    and any parent that would sit in a bar with a 16 year old and condone them drinking deserves to have their balls or breasts removed!

    Sounds a little extreme. Have you been hanging around with Dino?

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