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Military Report: Hire Bloggers To Attack Critics

Is the military hiring bloggers to attack critics?  I doubt it.  At least, the military certainly hasn’t hired this blogger in any way, shape or form but apparently some military report made a suggestion along those lines which now has the left’s panties in a collective bunch:

A study, written for U.S. Special Operations Command, suggested “clandestinely recruiting or hiring prominent bloggers.”

Since the start of the Iraq war, there’s been a raucous debate in military circles over how to handle blogs—and the servicemembers who want to keep them. One faction sees blogs as security risks, and a collective waste of troops’ time. The other (which includes top officers, like Gen. David Petraeus and Lt. Gen. William Caldwell) considers blogs to be a valuable source of information, and a way for ordinary troops to shape opinions, both at home and abroad.

This 2006 report for the Joint Special Operations University, “Blogs and Military Information Strategy,” offers a third approach—co-opting bloggers, or even putting them on the payroll. “Hiring a block of bloggers to verbally attack a specific person or promote a specific message may be worth considering,” write the report’s co-authors, James Kinniburgh and Dororthy Denning.

Lt. Commander Marc Boyd, a U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman, says the report was merely an academic exercise. “The comments are not ‘actionable’, merely thought provoking,” he tells Danger Room. “The views expressed in the article publication are entirely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views, policy or position of the U.S. Government, Department of Defense, USSOCOM [Special Operations Command], or the Joint Special Operations University.”

Denning, a professor at Naval Postgraduate School, adds in an e-mail, “I got some positive feedback from people who read the article, but I don’t know if it led to anything.”

The report introduces the military audience to the “blogging phenomenon,” and lays out a number of ways in which the armed forces—specifically, the military’s public affairs, information operations, and psychological operations units—might use the sites to their advantage.

Hiring bloggers to flak for the military would be an astoundingly stupid move.  Bloggers known to be working for the military would be dismissed as, well, flaks.  And if the military attempted to pay them in some sort of off-the-record way it would inevitably be exposed the moment such an offer was made to a blogger with some principle (or perhaps an unprincipled blogger slips up and spills the beans).

Either way, why would the military even need to hire bloggers when there are so many out there already very supportive of the military without having to put anyone on the payroll?

It seems incredibly stupid to put a comment like “Let’s hire bloggers to verbally attack people” in a government report where some opportunistic reporter can seize on it and make all sorts of hay for the anti-military types, “academic exercise” or not.

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It’s in the MSM’s interest to claw onto this report and ride it for all it’s worth. Bloggers, after all, are competition.


“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on April 1, 2008 at 04:45 am

You are starting to understand the military.

It seems incredibly stupid

WOOF on April 1, 2008 at 05:14 am
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Bloggers, after all, are competition.

You can say that again.  It’s a race to the bottom.  Guys bloggers (like on this site) lead they way with lie after lie after lie.

What is not lies, is usually some cheap form of propaganda.  Occasionally, there is a reasonable post, but lets face it.  Bloggers are much better at screwing up a story than the MSM.

Hannitized on April 1, 2008 at 05:28 am

Bloggers are much better at screwing up a story than the MSM.

Actually, the MSM is threatened by bloggers precisely because blogging provides the long-missing element of journalistic accountability. The Fourth Estate feels itself weakened and unable to push the same lame-ass “story angles.”

cheap form of propaganda

Wow. You want cheap propoganda? Check out the NYTimes article on McCain. Here’s the breakdown:

Pg. 1: Unidentified sources “close” to the McCain campaign admitted to being distraught about the closeness of a certain female lobbiest to McCain.

Pgs. 2-14: [Documents 30 years of unrelated congressional scandal.]

Then we look at April’s Vanity Fair on Bush and Fatah…

Pg. 1: Unidentified sources confirm the existence of unidentified and classified documents that outline Bush’s plan to support Fatah in an overthrow of Hamas, thus leading to recent bloodshed in Palestine.

Pgs. 2 - 14: [Documents 30 years of Presidential fuck-ups starting with the Bay of Pigs.]

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Two stories, both structured the same way: An unattributed allegation followed by 13 pages of unrelated scandal to make the dumb among the readers think that the 13 pages somehow verify the bullshit on page 1. This is beneath even yellow journalism.

And you are going to tell me that the MSM is honest? You are a fucking idiot.


“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on April 1, 2008 at 05:42 am

Hannitized.  How about the 30 minute outing of the Dan Rather forged document, Michael-Yon online?  Sure, there are many who are less than professional, but have you ever visited some of the left-wing blogs.  Every other word is a cuss word and they merely repeat the same old stories about perceived government corruption and conspiracy theories with no basis of fact.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on April 1, 2008 at 05:45 am
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Wow. You want cheap propoganda? Check out the NYTimes article on McCain. Here’s the breakdown:

Yeah, that is one out of 6 posts a day that we get from sites like this.

If you wanna keep score, you gotta learn math first.

Hannitized on April 1, 2008 at 05:51 am
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Hannitized.  How about the 30 minute outing of the Dan Rather forged document, Michael-Yon online? 

Blogs are great for throughly examining the MSM stories and reports.  But they are terrible at reporting stories.  They are 100x worse at accuracy or balance.

Sure, there are many who are less than professional, but have you ever visited some of the left-wing blogs.  Every other word is a cuss word and they merely repeat the same old stories about perceived government corruption and conspiracy theories with no basis of fact.

I do not doubt that this data is real to you, because it is.  What you seem to be unaware of is that there are plenty of right wing sites that do the same.  That data is real to me as well, because its true.

Hannitized on April 1, 2008 at 05:55 am

They don’t have to hire bloggers, bloggers are more than happy to bitch slap anti-American scumbags, such as racebaitingpovertypimp sannitized, for free. And it is fun.


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2Hotel9 on April 1, 2008 at 05:57 am

I think I saw an accusation like this a few years ago.  My site is non-profit and I receive no money, pure Truth.  This post revolves around a mere suggestion:
....may be worth considering, ~ an academic exercise.  See what free exchange of ideas leads to--propaganda for the left.  But don’t take their words out of context!


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on April 1, 2008 at 05:57 am
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Cheif,

Please see Hotels remarks.  This is the constant type of harassment Dems get when they blog on Conservative sites.  You do notice this stuff, dont you?

Hannitized on April 1, 2008 at 06:04 am
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Chief,

Check out Carricks response to me in his post about the battle for Basra.  I was supporting the surge, supporting the battle.  I only offered info that showed WND was saying the battle was a loss and Iraq is really starting to look like vietnam, then he links to a NYT article that shows the battle is going well for the US. 

THEN, he argues that there is liberal bias in the media, and when I challenge him on that he calls me an asshole and fool for suggesting there isnt.

That is just from this site, and there are far worse out there.

Hannitized on April 1, 2008 at 06:07 am

Ah, poor wittle racebaitingpovertypimp gonna cry now? Its wittle feelings is hurt. Boohoo. Squeeze out a few tears for us, thats always good for a laugh.


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2Hotel9 on April 1, 2008 at 06:12 am

Hanni,

Please differentiate between what Rob & Co post and what people say to you in the post discussion.

Yeah, that is one out of 6 posts a day that we get from sites like this.

I challenge you to find one post on this site where Rob & Co fabricated a story. Now do keep in mind, you can’t include the commentary—because we all understand that this is a conservative blog and that the posts will have conservative commentary, and that the commentary has nothing to do with the facts in the story.

NYTimes & Co fabricate stories (like the above McCain non-story). Rob & Co (and most blogs) merely link to factoids that support their political views. What more is that they are honest about their political views, so we know that we will get predominantly conservative-centric factoids on this site. That doesn’t take the fact out of the factoid.

Contrast that with Times’ McCain story, which essentially presented his affair with a lobbiest as a fact. Or the vanity fair article that presented Bush’s responsibility for the bloodshed in Palestine as a fact.


“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on April 1, 2008 at 06:17 am
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I challenge you to find one post on this site where Rob & Co fabricated a story.

Hairy,

Lies are lies, propaganda is propaganda.  Don’t bother me with specific types of propaganda or specific types of lies.

Here are a few links that adequately show how Rob operates.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obamas_lies_about_wright/#comments

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/you_cant_shake_the_devils_hand_and_say_youre_only_kidding/#comments

What more is that they are honest about their political views, so we know that we will get predominantly conservative-centric factoids on this site. That doesn’t take the fact out of the factoid.

Predominantly conservative-centric factoid?  What are you talking about?

Contrast that with Times’ McCain story, which essentially presented his affair with a lobbiest as a fact.

Sort a like how Rob posts articles about how Obama lied about Wright as fact?  That sort of thing?

Good night....its way past my bed time.

Hannitized on April 1, 2008 at 06:29 am

Good night....its (sic)way past my bed time.

He musta got lucky with his hand last night! smile

I challenge you to find one post on this site where Rob & Co fabricated a story.

...show how Rob operates

Geez, Hannoi-tized! Who’s running from the question, now?

Oh, and with the footed-pajamas, toes go in first! Nitey nite! smile



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on April 1, 2008 at 06:43 am

Spew a pile of blahblah and run away. Typical for a racebaitingpovertypimp Democrat such as sannitized.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 1, 2008 at 06:51 am

Ah, Aunt Spelling Bea is at it again.

And I see that she has been accepted to the Hee Haw writers in training program as well.

Congrats self admitted half wit!
What’s with those tweener girly yellow dots?

(Ya do know that you missed a Hairy P spelling error a wee bit up the post dontcha)


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 1, 2008 at 06:59 am

boob, where is that extensive and exhaustive list of the THOUSANDS of innocent American citizens being persecuted under the Patriot Act and FISA? Still lying, as usual, I see.


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2Hotel9 on April 1, 2008 at 07:09 am

Oh, sannitized, boob? If you have no proof that bloggers are being paid to support the military then you are both liars. By your own admission. Suck on that like a big, juicy lemon.


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2Hotel9 on April 1, 2008 at 07:12 am

boob, where is that extensive and exhaustive list of the THOUSANDS of innocent American citizens being persecuted under the Patriot Act and FISA?

2H9,

Your list is sitting right next to the list of all the anti-terrorism and nuclear non-proliferation “accomplishments” of the Clinton years promised us several months ago… tucked away in RBB’s fetid little imagination.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on April 1, 2008 at 07:28 am

What’s with those tweener girly yellow dots?

Just trying to relate to you on your level! Fourteen hundred and fifty meaningless posts! You GO, girl!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on April 1, 2008 at 07:32 am

7578 poof, 7578.

You were trying to say...what?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 1, 2008 at 07:37 am

bob: You really are reality based!

April Fool’s!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on April 1, 2008 at 07:43 am

That you are still a lying scumbag.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 1, 2008 at 07:43 am

Such unhinged screeching.

Nutters are really coming unglued.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 1, 2008 at 07:50 am

Hey “Blackwater"boob,

Have you posted a correction/apology yet?

Didn’t think so.

What was it you were on about again?


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Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on April 1, 2008 at 08:01 am

Please see Hotels remarks.  This is the constant type of harassment Dems get when they blog on Conservative sites.  You do notice this stuff, dont you?

So are you saying that you never call people names or use foul language?  Somehow I find that hard to believe.  Grow up.



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 1, 2008 at 09:34 am

Here are a few links that adequately show how Rob operates.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obamas_lies_about_wright/#comments

Sort a like how Rob posts articles about how Obama lied about Wright as fact?  That sort of thing?

Yeah, H.  Except for the fact that Obama actually said those things.  So what exactly did Rob fabricate?



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 1, 2008 at 09:44 am

I believe that I heard about this accusation awhile ago.  Just right it off as a rehashed feeble attempt by lefties to discredit conservative bloggers.


Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

docdave on April 1, 2008 at 01:42 pm
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