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Saturday, July 28, 2007

Military Deaths Bush Vs. Clinton, Redux

I noticed an interesting gripe coming from freelance writer Ed Brayton over at his blog Dispatches from the Culture Wars.  Brad claims that the “latest conservative meme” he’s been “hearing over the last couple of days” is “that ‘military deaths’ under Bush are pretty much in line with ‘military deaths’ under Clinton.”

Don’t ask me why he has the scare quotes around military deaths.  Or why he links my post from a year and a half ago as evidence of the “latest conservative meme.” Here’s the gist of that post:

Here’s an interesting report compiled by the Department of Defense’s Manpower Data Center.

What I found most interesting was a comparison of the active duty deaths between the first four years of Bill Clinton’s term and the first four years of Bush’s term.

Active duty deaths during Clinton’s first four years (1993 - 1996): 4302

Active duty deaths during Bush’s first four years (2001 - 2004): 5187

The difference? 885 deaths over four years, or about 221 deaths a year. Of course, during Bush’s first four years in office we liberated both Afghanistan and Iraq. What did we accomplish, in terms of military victories, during Clinton’s first four years in office?

Brad claims that comparing active duty deaths under Clinton to active duty deaths under Bush is absurd, because the deaths under Bush happened because of combat.  Under Clinton it was (rather oddly) mostly murder and suicide.  But the point isn’t to compare combat deaths, but rather to put to rest claims that the casualties we’re sustaining in Iraq are, well, unsustainable.

Of course there’s been more deaths from hostilities under Bush than Clinton.  We’ve fought two major wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, under Bush.  But that the number of military deaths under Bush is even comparable to those under Clinton (at least at the time I ran these numbers) is worth noting.

Seeing our troops die on the battlefield is tragic, no doubt about that.  But if this country can’t abide fewer than 4,000 war casualties in a war that’s nearly 5 years old we’re in bigger trouble than anything the war on terror portends.

The war in Iraq isn’t unsustainable.  We’re just being led to believe it is because that’s what fits the political agenda of the people telling us that.

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benjamin frankling on July 28, 2007 at 09:09 am
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The war in Iraq isn’t unsustainable

How many tours of duty do you think is sustainable for the average military family? Plenty of guys are now on their third and fourth tours, with the prospect of further recalls and extensions. You think that’s sustainable?

If we’re continue in Iraq past next February, there will be only one way to make it “sustainable”. A draft.

You’re a prime candidate. I wonder what excuse you’ll come up with?

graybeard on July 28, 2007 at 12:45 pm
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Why does it seem that it’s bed-wetting leftists like Graybeard who spend more time complaining about the deployments of our troops than the troops themselves?


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on July 28, 2007 at 03:47 pm
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Spoken like a true Cheerleader Chickenhawk.

Can’t refute the evidence, shoot the messenger.

I hear the service is offering 80K large for re-enlistment. You could buy a lotta Cheetos with that Rightie, all you have to do is enlist. Show us how much you really support the troops...by becoming one yourself.

graybeard on July 28, 2007 at 05:12 pm

You’re a prime candidate. I wonder what excuse you’ll come up with?

Please tell us your military service history.  If you have never been in the military, I wonder what excuse you’ll come up with?

If we’re continue in Iraq past next February, there will be only one way to make it “sustainable”. A draft.

Of course, you say that because you are not at a draftable age.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on July 28, 2007 at 05:32 pm

While you’re counting, add the numbers of these guys?

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WOOF on July 28, 2007 at 08:56 pm
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Can’t refute the evidence, shoot the messenger.

I thought it was a perfectly valid point.  More bitching comes from lefties who sit at home and bitch about the war than the soldiers actually fighting it.

Poodle, the war’s sustainable.  We can win, you just don’t want to.


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Rob on July 28, 2007 at 09:10 pm

The war in Iraq is not politically sustainable.

WOOF on July 28, 2007 at 09:23 pm
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Only because of morons like you, poodle.


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Rob on July 28, 2007 at 09:27 pm
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Tell us, Graybeard… were you ever supportive of Operation Enduring Freedom?

If not, why not?

If so, did you show your support by enlisting to fight in that war, or are you chickenhawk too?

Watcher on July 28, 2007 at 10:23 pm
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I thought it was a perfectly valid point.  More bitching comes from lefties who sit at home and bitch about the war than the soldiers actually fighting it.

Let’s get back on topic here. You claim the war is sustainable. I linked to an article that clearly refutes that claim.

Assuming you read the article, are you saying it’s inaccurate? Why don’t you provide some evidence to the contrary (and not of the Powerline/Malkin/Hewitt variety) or do you think that calling me a “bed-wetter” is sufficient rebuttal?

War demands sacrifice - where’s yours?

graybeard on July 29, 2007 at 06:19 am

Crunching numbers again?

These are brave, patriotic, American people. They are not numbers. One doesn’t make the other one right.

ews48 on July 29, 2007 at 07:30 am

Assuming you read the article, are you saying it’s inaccurate? Why don’t you provide some evidence to the contrary (and not of the Powerline/Malkin/Hewitt variety)…

Typical leftie trick; biasing the argument by censoring the possible sources of rebuttal.  Pathetic.


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robert108 on July 29, 2007 at 07:54 am
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