Your remarks were directed to me. Robert’s were not. I responded to you… not to him.

Nope! My initial remarks were directed at Robert, you intervened as the self-appointed fairness referee. THEN, and only then, did I engage you when I made my argument to defend myself, from your attack.

I’m not the owner of the site, nor it’s Pooh-Bah of principles and protocol, and I have no pretense of being “fair and balanced” … just reasoned and rational.

Then your argument is lopsided and unworthy of consideration if you aren’t going to stand for principles. Period.

Proof!
Neat!
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ellinas
THere’s no class envy.
While the Office of the President is the highest in the land, it’s STILL a public servant position.
In her, I see a very un-appreciative & domineering person.
Her various statements serve only to bolster this idea.
Show me where I’m wrong

Don’t even get me started on the stimulus checks…. we should have taken that money, divided it up among governors and let them put it into the states infrastructure. Ask any governor what project(s) they have on the backburner and then put those construction crews to work. For years. Not a day, or a week. Years.

THAT would stimulate the economy.

ellinas,

Both you and Hannitized before you were wrong to bring Cindy McCain into the discussion.

In the first place the thread is about Michelle Obama’s elitist condescension based on her public remarks about her stimulus check and her earrings. Cindy McCain made no such remarks and offered no such complaint about the stimulus checks.

As for Cindy McCain’s finances, I would suggest that she is under no more obligation to disclose her personal finances than was Theresa Heinz Kerry some 4 years ago.

A lot of women have earings costing more than $600.00. And I bet you great number of women have clothes and jewlery that exceeds their means.

ellinas,

What you say is true… but only one out of all those women, Michelle Obama, is personally campaigning for her husband to be the next president by telling everyone, women in particular, how terrible their economic situation has become in the past 7 years.

It is not “class envy” to note the “audacity” of hypocrisy in a candidate… and his family.

It would be nice if more people were able to utilise the bully pulpit. I guess some are luckier than others. Whether one’s financial situation has worsened in the last seven years, depends on one’s financial reality. A lot of people will say it has not and a lot of people will say yes.
The devaluation of the dollar has done IMO done a lot of damage to a lot of peoples finances. When I go abroad for vacation it shows that my financial situation is not what it was seven years ago.

I was hoping this would get attention here!
‘Preciate that, Rob
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Her equating a $600 stimulus grant to merely a pair of ear rings just chaps my hide!
It’s like the Katrina “victims” that got caught buying extravagances with their emergency living expenses grants.
I hope this get’s driven by the media.
/Hey! I used “hope” twice!

Cindy McCain has earned everything she has, by being a successful businesswoman; Michelle Obama profits from her husband’s political influence peddling. Big difference. Cindy has earned her stuff.

Not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn’t pay down every bill every month.

Is she suggesting:
a) it didn’t help because it wasn’t enough
AND
b) it should be every month

If my question is viewed as an attack on her person I heartily apologize and revoke it. I know both Mr and Mrs Empty suit can be very sensitive and even the appearance of criticism is verbotten.

I don’t wear earings so I used my $600 stimulus check to buy 200 NOBAMA bumper stickers.

Cindy McCain: “In Arizona The Only Way To Get Around The State Is By Small Private Plane”

THAT is a reasonable counterpoint. The statements are of similar caliber and elitism. Though I’d give her my copyrighted Forgiveness Points (TM) if it is a private plane and not guvmint paying for it.

Nixon screwed that pooch.

Actually, Johnson did more to devalue the currency with his massive “War on Poverty” scam. It’s still going on, as a matter of fact.

Wow, just another example of you guys making things up.
She obviously said that after doing OTHER MORE IMPORTANT THINGS with the money like pays bills and the like that all that would be left is enough to buy something cheap, a new pair of earrings.

^ I watched “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”…I’m somewhat fluent in “surfer dude”

The short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings.”

No CatMow, she said the above quote. Prior to that she suggested something, but then she went the earring route.

Anna. All the critcism over a $600.00 pair of earings is class envy. A lot of women have earings costing more than $600.00. And I bet you great number of women have clothes and jewlery that exceeds their means. I call that champagne taste on beer income.
By the way, I’d love to read “your book”

and the like that all that would be left is enough to buy something cheap, a new pair of earrings.

And like I bet those were union made earrings, ’cause dude, she’s like a great American who only buys union made shit!!11!!!eleventy!!!11!

…. to smear Cindy with unsupported crap in no way mitigates Michelle’s elitist comments or the source of her money.

Michele put herself through college and is a Lawyer, and accomplished woman. People who make money are not elitists, they are successful.

People who inherit money are not successful, they are elitists.

There is no valid comparison here.

Amen to that! Clearly Mrs. McCain is the elitist, not Michelle.

Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama (born January 17, 1964)[1] is an American lawyer and the wife of Illinois senator Barack Obama, the 2008 Democratic presumptive nominee for President. She was born and grew up on the South Side of Chicago and graduated from Princeton University and Harvard Law School. After completing her formal education, she returned to Chicago and went to work for the law firm Sidley Austin, on the staff of the Mayor of Chicago Richard M. Daley, and for the University of Chicago and the University of Chicago Hospitals. She is the sister of Craig Robinson, men’s basketball coach at Oregon State University.

There you have it.

Cindy is an achiever, Michelle is a parasite.

If you think that then you are a classless ass. But we knew that already.

Keep pickin’ that nit, troll. Michelle gets taxpayer money, increased by her influence-peddling husband; Cindy runs her own business, and buys her own stuff.
None of your bullshit can change that fact. How much did Michelle inherit? Unlike you, I’m not jealous of other people who have become successful by their own efforts.

What part of “Cindy McCain has earned everything she has.” didn’t you understand?

I know I’m dealing with a shameful liar, who claims the IRS gave him financial information on another citizen.
robert108 on July 17, 2008 at 09:33 pm

I said I called IRS. Never claimrd to have gotten info from them.
I also said this:
You old fool. You think you are smart or something by shaping your questions like that? You think I would not notice that no matter what I answered you had your bases covered? What a moron you are.

Now have a good night.

…qualifies as a light aircraft by the FAA, the cost per statute mile is a fraction of driving.

Whoa, that perked the GasNazi up in me. Makes sense given that flying generally follows straighter lines and has fewer stop lights.

Long slow thought… Nope, couldn’t even get an ultra light to take off from around my house. Sigh.

The inherited part.

More leftie jealousy and hatred. Whether or not she inherited any money, she is successful in business, whereas Michelle gets her salary from the taxpayers, bloated by her husband’s influence-peddling.
There is no valid comparison.

What part of “Cindy McCain has earned everything she has.” didn’t you understand?
robert108 on July 17, 2008 at 09:46 am

The inherited part.
If she started from zero and earned everything, kudos to her.

First you ask: “What part of “Cindy McCain has earned everything she has.” didn’t you understand?”

Then when you get your answer you respond: More leftie jealousy and hatred.
robert108 on July 17, 2008 at 10:26 am

I think the only answer you will accept is the one that will come out of your brain. Nothing else will do.

Unfortunately, your puerile personal crap detracts from what might have been a discussion based on facts and logic.

Give me a break! That would mean something if it wasn’t preceded by this gem from you:

Still distracting from the topic of the thread, I see!

This thread isn’t about you and your feelings, H, any more than it is about your juvenile smears of Cindy McCain.

Keep squealing![/quote]

So save your complaints. They are meaningless to me without principle.

You concede my point that Michelle’s present position is both taxpayer-supported and due to her husband’s political influence, and then say “So what?”

Well, I concede it might be taxpayer money. I have no idea if it has anything to do with her husbands influence, she clearly is qualified and experienced. I submit neither to do you.

But just because she is paid by tax payer money today doesn’t mean squat. So is Bush, so is EVERY POLITICIAN.

Your point is invalid in almost every way!

Cindy’s money comes from the private sector, while the taxpayers pay for Michelle’s “success”.
Get the difference?

Yes, Cindy cash comes from private sector but she doesn’t earn it Michele’s money comes from the taxpayer (maybe) but she does earn it. I got that.

What you don’t get is that Michele is a successful person regardless. She is also more accomplished than Cindy and has a much more impressive background of accomplishment.

I would quit if I were you. You are just giving us opportunity to highlight the stark contrast between Michele and Cindy, the cheerleader.

The bottom line here is still that this thread is still about Michelle’s arrogant, elitist pronouncement,

Scroll up….my argument is there.

Ellinas: Cindy McCain quietly runs one of the most effective international free health-care clinics for children in the world, and she and her husband adopted a hair-lipped Bangledeshi girl that she met while touring her clinics.

Add that, please, to the facts you gleaned about Mrs.John McCain.

I gave my stimulus check to several “clingers.”

flyonthewall thinks allegations without proof should stand. That tells us a lot more about him than it does Mrs. McCain.

Did Anna buy a camera

I haven’t received my stimulus check. When I do, it goes straight into a planned investment.

I agree, Robert.
It’s a discussion for another time

Stop the lying.

It is you who lie; here’s title of the thread, since you are obviously unable to read it:

Michelle Obama: $600 Stimulus Check Was Only Enough For A Pair Of Earrings

Try to stay on the subject, moron.

H: I will finish my participation in your off-topic rant by giving you my response to your references to Michelle’s former jobs. She had one private sector job, as a lawyer, so it could be said that she hasn’t been a total parasite, unless you regard lawyers as parasites, that is. The rest of her “career” has been on the public dime. As usual, you make a purely technical point, which in no way distracts from her overall arrogance in saying what she said. One time, she held a real job in the private sector, so “always” should really be “almost always, except for one small example”. That doesn’t change the hypocrisy of someone who has almost always, except for one small example, been on the public dime, making arrogant statements about the value of the stimulus check to all Americans.

Robert,

You are unworthy of debating, because you can never meet your opponent half way.

That said, my responses to you, aren’t for your consideration. They are for others to read to apply logic where you abandon it.

Now, let’s parse this puppy.

I referred to Michelle as a parasite, because she has always lived off the taxpayer,

Always is a word you don’t understand, apparently. Sidley Austin is NOT a government entity, you dope!

Sidley Austin LLP, formerly known as Sidley Austin Brown & Wood LLP, is one of the oldest law firms in the world. It is the sixth-largest U.S.-based corporate law firm with over 1,800 lawyers, annual revenues of more than one billion dollars, and offices in 16 cities worldwide, with the most recent addition of Sydney, Australia, in May 2007. It is a full-service law firm, with broad experience in transaction and litigation matters. Its original predecessor firm was founded in 1866 and had Mary Todd Lincoln, the widow of President Abraham Lincoln, among its earliest clients.

Got it?

Let me reiterate:

Following law school, she was an associate at the Chicago office of the law firm Sidley Austin where she first met her husband. At the firm, she worked on marketing and intellectual property.[2]

Are you getting it???

In 1996, Obama served as the Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, where she developed the University’s Community Service Center.[23] In 2002, she began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, first as executive director for community affairs and, beginning May, 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs.[24] She still holds the position, though is working part time in order to devote more time to being a mother.[25]

She rocks. Compared to Cindy….she is a rock star.

..and her present position and salary is due to her husband’s political clout.

So what! She is still a incredibly successful and talented individual.

There is no valid comparison to Cindy McCain, who works for a living,

Serving on a board is not “work”. Further, the only time she “worked” was for a non-profit……..and…you guessed it….NON PROFITS ARE SUCKING OF THE TAXPAYER TEET!!

You are an idiot.

Instead you are using someone else’ misstep to rationalize your own. In essence you are saying, “He threw a tomato at my school bus, so its okay for me to throw one at his.”

True. Good point. You are right. That is why I like you Bat, you make valid, reasonable points.

That said, your argument is only half as reasonable as it could have been. If you are going to be so considerate of going after those who have committed an offense, you should have told Robert that he was out of line as you did to me. That way, at least I would know you have principles as opposed to emotional reactions. Until you can call out your own, your criticism is only half-hearted.

That’s childish, and its reasoning unworthy of an adult.

Show me your principles and your adult behavior Bat, or stop displaying your lopsided standards.

Actually, H, upon further review, my first comment on this thread wasn’t addressed to you at all, but to ellinas. You were only mentioned in passing.

It closely resembles a VW engine….flat opposed 4 cylinder oil & air cooled.
It sips fuel.

Thanks. You just opened up a chunk of my mind. Ironically, we just spent some of the morning discussing octane, compression, efficiency, cylinder cross section etc. (Since nothing was being ionized I shut up and listened.)

e: That’s a good thing, since nothing seems to hatch in your brain. Here’s what you can do to prove your point, even though it’s a nonsensical point:

How much did Cindy inherit(if any)?
How much is she worth now?
If she is worth more now than whatever she may have inherited, then she has made what she has now.
Even if she inherited more than she has now, it’s private money, not taxpayer money, like Michelle is feeding on.

I challenge you to make a cogent argument, for anything.

BRAHAAHAHAAAAHAAAAAAA

When the fool hears the truth, he laughs;
If he did not laugh, it would not be the truth.

Thanks again, rbb!

H,

If you feel that something that was said abut Michelle Obama was out of line, then you should say so and argue that point. Instead you are using someone else’ misstep to rationalize your own. In essence you are saying, “He threw a tomato at my school bus, so its okay for me to throw one at his.”

That’s childish, and its reasoning unworthy of an adult.

Got it?

Finally, watch your personal pronouns! I didn’t “attack Michelle’s career choice” as you’ve implied.

If you are going to debate me, as you indicated you wished to do two days ago, you’ll have to be a lot more precise with both your thinking and your diction if you have any hope of being successful.

Still distracting from the topic of the thread, I see!
This thread isn’t about you and your feelings, H, any more than it is about your juvenile smears of Cindy McCain.

Keep squealing!

…to defend myself, from your attack.

Your narcissistic self-absorption is noted. Refuting your bullshit is not an “attack”; it’s an exercise in basic logical thinking.

I know I’m dealing with a shameful liar, who claims the IRS gave him financial information on another citizen.
I also noted your off-topic bullshit.
Your pathetic, unhinged namecalling shows me I put my ordnance right on the target.
Keep squealing! Incoming!!!

Cindy McCain: “In Arizona The Only Way To Get Around The State Is By Small Private Plane”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/14/cindy-mccain-in-arizona-t_n_112695.html

It’s the ONLY way to travel! Her other private plane isn’t that small though.

…your argument is lopsided and unworthy of consideration if you aren’t going to stand for principles.

H,

I honestly don’t believe you are the one to be lecturing me about principles. At least not in the political realm and certainly not given the ideas and candidates you’ve championed here.

Still, if you don’t think what I say is “worthy of consideration” don’t give it any thought at all! I can promise you I won’t even notice the lack of attention.

Everyone who is supported by taxpayer money is a parasite on the system, which is nourished by the private sector.

Then you don’t know what a parasite is, because if you did, you would realize what a complete moron you look like for saying that.

Parasite: a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.

Now, if you think your politicians are useless, that is your moronic opinion to have. And at this point I cut you off because it becomes useless to argue that point with you any further.

Cindy is a productive member of the private sector, whereas Michelle sucks up taxpayer money, while producing nothing. Her “success” is entirely political. She is not productive of anything other than arrogance and elitism. She is a racist hater, living on the public dole.

What does Cindy produce?

You are a racist hater, that causes you to unleash such lies about Michele Obama, who is a successful achiever.

How much did Cindy inherit(if any)? How much is she worth now?
If she is worth more now than whatever she may have inherited, then she has made what she has now.
Even if she inherited more than she has now, it’s private money, not taxpayer money, like Michelle is feeding on.
I challenge you to make a cogent argument, for anything.
robert108 on July 17, 2008 at 11:01 am

I contacted the McCain campaign,her beer distributorship and IRS.
This is what I got: The beer distribution company called of Hensley & Co., she inherited from her father. (Like you didn’t know you lying old bastard)
She,her children, and Andrew McCain (old Mr McCain’s son)together control 68 percent of the company. As far as her assets,no one will release any figures.

You old fool. You think you are smart or something by shaping your questions like that? You think I would not notice that no matter what I answered you had your bases covered? What a moron you are.
Like I told you before: It was born at night. However it was not last night.

Robert,

You have finally given some counter-arguments, which is what debate is really about, and I will consider the points you made, which is also what debate is really about, and get back to you.

So in the face of getting a factual counter-argument your response is to run away and hide?

What about Cindy the cheerleader and her accomplishments compared to Micheles?

Now, if you think your politicians are useless…

It’s not a matter of belief; it’s a matter of fact.
Cindy provides some of the money that the Obamas feed from. Cindy helps fill their trough.
BTW, despite your foolishness, I never said that politicians weren’t necessary; I just said they are parasites. A parasite, btw, is an organism that lives on what another organism produces, and which can’t survive long without its “host”. Educate yourself.
Politicians don’t produce anything that adds to the prosperity of our society; in fact, they eat up some of the prosperity, which is why the Founding Fathers sought to limit the reach of govt. It’s still a very good idea.

Can you imagine this out of touch liberal as her husband, the President’s closest adviser.

O’blurry: Gee Honey! Do you think the peasants need their taxes cut?

Michelle: Nah! They’ve probably got enough earrings already!

Just wait till she says “Let them eat cake”

Great minds, RebTex! Over on my blog, I called her Michelle “Let them eat cake” Obama!

And the “change” O’blurry is looking for is “chump change”! Heh.

RebTex. You are mistaken as to how much of Nixon screwed that pooch. According to our in house expert Johnson screwd it more. You owe us all an apology for the misinformation you are spreding on this blog.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Shame on you.

Ps. If you are Christian of the Catholic persuation, 102 Hail Mary’s will do. No more no less.

CPU Maggot
If you’re suggesting an assault on a Congressperson or a Representative or any of their property, PLEASE count me out!

Can you imagine this out of touch liberal as her husband, the President’s closest adviser.

O’blurry: Gee Honey! Do you think the peasants need their taxes cut?

Michelle: Nah! They’ve probably got enough earrings already!

Pooch told me it was the other way around.

Nixon screwed that pooch

Checkers enviously confirmed.

Umm, Michelle Obama did not say it was only enough for a pair of earrings. I interpret what she said to mean, the $600 is an illusion, a drop in the ocean of personal debt. Perhaps enough to make a person feel like it's ok to go out and buy something a little frivolous or fun. I don't think she was suggesting she was going to run out and spend the $600 on a pair of earrings.

I'm sure Michelle Obama has at least one pair of earrings that cost well over $1,000, but then the Obamas aren't paupers. Big deal. How long has it been since the President has been someone who the vast majority of us wouldn't consider rich or at least very well off?