Michael Steele To Republicans: We Need To Reach Out To The Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal

• December 9, 2008

Basically what he’s saying is that we need to change the litmus test for what it means to be a conservative. Instead of basing the most important questions being “Are you pro-choice” or “Are you for gay marriage,” Steele thinks they should be “Are you for limited government” and “Are you for lower taxes.”
Which is undoubtedly going to tick off the Huckabee wing of the party (video here).

“They have been beating me upside the head with it and let me give it to you straight on: Wake up people. I mean what are you going to do? Are you going to kick these folks out of the party? I have watched this party self disintegrate for the last four or five years. I’ve watched this party isolate itself from itself.”
“This may be a unique opportunity to build a relationship or a bridge between the conservatives and the moderates in our party and so she asked me to serve on her board and I said well this will be good. It’ll be a pro-life conservative voice on a board with a pro-choice leadership that is looking to elect moderates. We have to elect moderates in the party.”
“For all you little folks out there who think that you’ve got me on this you don’t. My being on this board had nothing to do with lessening my conservative values or somehow appeasing them or compromising them. It had everything to do with reasserting them.”
“I wasn’t saying, ‘well now I’m really a closet moderate and I can get to play with all the big boys.’ This is stupid. What I’m saying is lets build this relationship amongst ourselves because people are watching and there are a lot of people who would join us and be a party of our efforts who are pro-choice but they love our message on money; they love our value system on family values broadly speaking so then how do we cross appeal, how do we make ourselves relevant to the 21st century electorate which is clearly of a different mindset on a host of issues.”

What Steele is being asked about is his membership on the board of the Republican Leadership Council, which wants “a Republican Party that is unified by the basic tenets of fiscal responsibility and personal freedom, but that allows for diverse opinions on social issues by its members.”
Speaking as someone who is pretty moderate on social issues (though I think abortion is an abhorrent and murderous practice, I don’t really care much emphasis on religious issues or gay marriage), I’ve got to say: This is where the Republican party needs to go. Outside of appointing judges who will make rulings based on the Constitution and not whatever they think is “fair” there isn’t much any elected official can do on abortion. And things like gay marriage, school prayer and whatever anti-religious outrage people like Bill O’Reilly are carping on at the moment just aren’t going to be effective national issues.
Now I’m not saying that Republicans necessarily need to forget about those issues, but nationally the GOP has got to get back to basics. That means limited government. Lower spending. More personal freedom and individual responsibility. More conservatism and less populism, basically.
That’s the choice Republicans have going forward.

Tags: Domestic Issues, Politics

http://Array robert108

Good recon, Two!
di butler

Great post, Mickey, you made Dino sick. Maybe it will cause him to no longer have movement in his fingers. And Dino, as far as your constant harping about the South, STFU. I am truly sick of your faggy ass. I hope Rob gets as tired of you as the rest of us. Go away, far, far, far away.
Dino

yes! Republicans need to become MORE conservative and express more strict right wing dogma.

Then they’ll become a party that narrowly appeals to only the most backwards parts of the south.
di butler

I don’t believe I can see where I thought I was debating anything. I wasn’t. I truly am sick of your faggoty faggy ass. That is known as a declarative. I am declaring it, not debating it. That’s the facts, buddy.
robert108

You’ll end up paying anyway otherwise the country will cease operating.

Wrong again; when the govt stops “operating”, the country starts operating. Clinton unwittingly proved that with his govt shutdowns.
robert108

It’s not one or the other, it’s both. If you’re conservative, you want fiscal responsibility and limited govt(according to the Constitution, and you also want the govt to stay out of the social area, in terms of social spending and creating crap like “abortion rights”. The only reason we now need to codify real marriage is because the lefties have tried to use the courts to force their stuff on the vast majority of Americans.
Pandering to the lefties is like appeasing the terrorists: when we retreat, they advance.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Who cares what Barney Frank thought? Did he have access to their books?

The ignorant child Dino is oblivious to the concept of “Congressional oversight”.
His BDS and mindless bitterness and hatred have blinded him to all reason.

In a few months, when the recycled policies of Carter and the recycled personnel of Clinton have not ushered in the Golden Age of Obama, Dino will somehow blame the Republicans.
2Hotel9

And to make sure I am not being all vague and wishywashy, the topic is you, dinothefakehomo, being a lying asshole. Not my discription. That is what the people who know you are telling the world.
syn

Question is, do we really want meddling adults to use the full force of government power to determine the value of your life?

I realise Dino does want government to meddle since Dino is a hapless child who wants the government to commit Dino to suicide when Dino is unhappy however, does any sane and reasonable person really what the government to have such power to determine the value of life?

Dino, listen up…science has determined the fetus to be life therefore to argue against life is anti-science.
Dino

The center of conservative ideology revolves around morality and ideas. Behavior, responsibility and accountability are the foundations of society. Conservative ideology is clear: We exist not to replace or destroy our past, but rather to improve and build upon what has preceded us. That process improves not only society, but the individual as well.

I think i’m going to be SICK.

Conservative behavior: Do whatever you need to do to make as much money as possible. Slavery, child labor, pollution. WHATEVER IT TAKES.

Conservative responsibility: We’ve run amok and the economy is tanking! Please rescue our {insert favorite: bank, investment firm, home building company, auto company} immediately or we’ll take you down with us!

Conservative accountability: We conservatives have run the country for much of the last 20 years and completely for the years 2000-2007 when the bubble was building and we closed our eyes to it. Now that it has burst and all hell breaks loose, we want to blame a man who hasn’t held office since 1979, over 28 years ago.

“We exist not to replace or destroy our past, but rather to improve and build upon what has preceded us.”

You seek to PRESERVE the PAST and never move forward. Moving a culture forward has always been the job of LIBERALS who have had to drag conservatives along kicking and screaming.

As for ideas, conservatism has NEVER had an original idea that wasn’t laced with evil or backwards thinking. That right there blows morality out of the WATER.

You are so deluded as to be unbelievable.
Mickey

I can live with Michael Steel’s conclusions. The center of conservative ideology revolves around morality and ideas. Behavior, responsibility and accountability are the foundations of society. Conservative ideology is clear: We exist not to replace or destroy our past, but rather to improve and build upon what has preceded us. That process improves not only society, but the individual as well.

Conservatism isn’t dead by any means. Even Obama has discovered that he has to move to the middle or he will lose all significance.
2Hotel9

So, Steele wants his Party to become the Democrat Party. What an idiot.
RebTex

Here’s a fact, dino boi:
Just DAYS before the collapse, barney franks proclaimed Fan/Fred in great shape.
Go have your daddy explain that for you.
http://www.bismarckndblog.com/ Dakota Lifestyle: Beyond the

I think Mickey is very believable.

I understand conservative values to represent compassion and hope–the very best of America.

And I believe building on the past is very progressive–it’s hard to build upward without a strong foundation. Our past is the foundation we have to build on. Tearing it down or ignoring it is just destructive.
Dino

Learn to debate with facts and reason di, and you won’t have to lobby Rob to ban me because you can’t refute what I post.
pparets

I am, so, so sick of RINOs.

Well, Zig, better see a doc soon.

At least 50% of the GOP are in the so-called RINO camp, and no conservative can get elected without them, nor will a Conservative Party ever exist on it’s own and win.

It’s a shame, but it’s a fact.
Dino

Having a bad night, di? Metal roofs not selling so well now that the republicans have destroyed the economy?
http://sayanythingblog.com/profile/pcND pcND

Michael Steele has officially become my hero.
http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

I am not going to support a conservative candidates that is anti gun and my candidate has to be responsible fiscally. I am not into beltway liberal republican lights that are trying to ruin our Republican party.

Cristy Todd Wittman can causcus with the DNC for all I care she isn’t a republican. Either is Colin Powell. Huckaphonnie cost us the election by failing to get out of the election causing Romney to fail and giving us John McLame…
jpe

I’ve probably pointed this out before, but it bears repeating in the current context: I’d probably be a republican if it weren’t for the social conservatism. And a small polling of my pals suggests that there are a lot of people like me. That said, the social conservatives have got to be too entrenched in the party; I don’t see how Steele’s project can work.
AndyinPhoenix

Thumb up to Mickey.

Dino, please seek out an intelligent, eucated, emotionally stable friend, and ask them to listen to what’s bothering you. Give them a warning that it’s going to be a long, LONG conversation.
di butler

Pretty well for some, Dino, I am doing swell, even though I don’t personally sell anything. Just make the deals. Right now I am selling 2 of the businesses, I have decided to check out on all this economy mess and go to the beach. I think my businesses are doing o.k., I have some good offers for them. I am still sick of you, though.
Dino

Gee Andy, reading the posts on conservative blogs is what makes me feel well-adjusted and content!

Mickey’s post was the most extreme example of self-delusion I’ve ever seen.
di butler

I saw them interview this code pinker chick on t.v. a few days ago, and she was so despondent. She kept saying that they were so disappointed by the cabinet picks, that they weren’t being represented. She said there weren’t any progressives, btw, I find this name a hoot, I think if you are a radical, say it proudly. Anyway, she said that they wanted all troups out in 16 mos starting from Jan. When the news people told her that Obama said that they would still have troops in for longer than that and that most likely troops would be expanded and we would have people in until at least 2010-2011. She just kept repeating the 16 mos., no#, even when they kept telling her it wasn’t going to happen. I actually felt bad for her, she was so weirdly delusional about everything. And on top of that she acted like she was in a state of deep depression, freaky. One thing about her, she may be a fruit, but she wasn’t being a mean fruit. No ranting and raving. Just sighing. Oh, did you know I am sick of Dino’s faggy ass?
Dino

People! People! Stick with the topics!

Here, let me help:

After controlling most of the country including the White House and the Congress for much of the last 24 years, the republicans were beaten badly in two major elections in 06 and 08. Now, a second-rate, black, conservative oxymoron has suggested that republicans ditch their nutjob social conservative wing and become more like democrats. The story becomes complicated when one considers that fiscal conservatism and republican corruption are what brought the economy to its knees. The question is now:

“How will conservatives keep their moribund, backwards movement alive?”

DISCUSS!
di butler

See, this is the problem so many people have. I don’t care about the head of the head of the RNC’s exact beliefs. I want someone who can get the core message out, get money in, and have sense to know what to do with it! I also want someone who can get out and speak for the party in an intelligent way. I don’t agree with Steele on several issues, but I don’t have a problem with him being head of RNC.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Dino will learn soon enough that he did not elect a Move-On dot org president. Many of the “Democrat” victories that rbb likes to tout as if they were some sea change, were conservative Democrats. If Obama try to govern too far to the left, he will find dissent within his own party.

He’s hoping the recycled Clintonistas will provide him the needed cover within his own party.

After eight years of impotent rage with Bush, Dino should be fun to watch as his impotent rage builds with Obama. We could start a pool as to when Obama makes his head ‘splode?

The far left helped get Obama to the dance, but his dance card is all his own!
syn

As indicated by the fact that Democrat candidate Barak Obama won California yet California voted against Gay Marriage, the only reason that Democrats want Republicans to accept Gay Marriage is because Democrats need Gay money but cannot get enough Democrat voters to vote for Gay Marriage

Gay mariage is not a social issue, it is a money issue…Democrats want the money more than a majority of homosexuals want gay marriage.
RebTex

Steele might just be the answer.
Patterson said “Once you go black, you don’t go back”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/1208/Gov_David_Paterson_at_the_Gridiron_He_said_what_.html?showall
Of course, with obama being more arab than black, his assertion has yet to be proven.
syn

Mickey

I would follow through your question with the question;

Why does Dino want to destroy Western Classical Liberalism which affords Dino the opportunity to speak without fear of having Dino’s tongue cut out by the very totalitarian tyranny Dino is defending?
Dino

BREAKING NEWS

More results of conservatism’s ugly reign:

Economy bad all over – even before current crisis

New census data shows that throughout the first half of the decade, the slumping economy touched nearly every community in the country. Incomes dropped while poverty and unemployment rose in the vast majority of the nation’s cities and towns.

Among the findings:
_Median household income dropped in 77 percent of the cities and towns. Incomes dropped in the wealthiest communities as well as the poorest. Charleston, Ill., home to Eastern Illinois University, saw the biggest drop — 31 percent — to a median household income of just under $21,000.
Nationally, incomes dropped by 4.3 percent during the period, to $50,007.

_The poverty rate increased in 70 percent of the cities and towns. Athens, Ohio, home to Ohio University, had the highest poverty rate, at 52.3 percent, in the 2005-2007 period.
Nationally, the poverty rate increased from 12.4 percent to 13.3 percent since the start of the decade.

_The unemployment rate increased in 71 percent of the cities and towns. Muskegon, Mich., a city of about 40,000 near Lake Michigan, had the highest unemployment rate, at 22.1 percent.
Nationally, the unemployment rate increased from about 4 percent in 2000 to 6.6 percent in the 2005-2007 period.

_Median home values increased in 92 percent of the cities and towns studied — doubling and tripling in many cities, mainly in California. Nationally, the median home value increased 26 percent, to $181,800.

It’s not surprising that many communities were doing better in 2000 than they were mid-decade, said Scott Hoyt, senior director of consumer economics at Moody’s Economy.com.

“The year 2000 was at the end of an incredible boom that lasted a decade,” Hoyt said.

Let’s see. What does the year 2000 coincide with? Oh yeah! That’s when republicans took over the White House while controlling Congress!
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Mickey’s post was the most extreme example of self-delusion I’ve ever seen.

Conclusive proof that Dino doesn’t even read what he writes!
Hungry Bear

Moving a culture forward has always been the job of LIBERALS who have had to drag conservatives along kicking and screaming.

That was true for classical liberals who believed in limited government, property rights, individual liberty, free enterprise, low taxes and free exchange of ideas. None of those describe the charlatins who describe themselves as liberals today.

Those who believe in high taxes, redistribution of income, cradle-to-grave-security, generous social programs, and campus speech codes call themselves liberals because the American people would reject them if they admitted what they really were, authoritiarian socialists.

There are no real liberals in the democratic party. The real liberals are either libertarians or neocons.
Mickey

Leftists like comrade dino believe that in the end, the redistribution of wealth, will â€˜enlighten’ the tyrannies they support and bring them into line with their own relativism, multicultural and a value system that honors nothing but the self.

dino is an angry little man fighting a revolution in his mind. The Don Quixote of useful idiots, a prince of fools.
Ask yourself, what has dino done for society that gives him credibility to tear it down?
Dino

Still celebrating the one victory you had? The slim victory over 2-5% of the population that you won by 4%? My, things are desperate in the con camp!

The numbers voting against gay rights has steadily decreased over the past 25 years. Homosexuals have made incredible strides, progress that is the envy of conservatives whose popularity is dropping as fast as gay power is rising.

Go see the movie Milk and you’ll see how far queers have come in a short time! It’s quite amazing! (Just don’t use the toilet!)

Progress like that cannot be stopped. However, the conservative revolution can and has been killed!
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Mickey: There are no “odds” on that. That’s a metaphysical certainty!
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

After eight years of impotent rage with Bush, Dino should be fun to watch as his impotent rage builds with Obama. We could start a pool as to when Obama makes his head â€˜splode?

You’ll be disappointed. Like all “good” liberals, he will refuse to find fault in a fellow comrade.

Didn’t matter what Clinton did, he was gold. Won’t matter what Obama will do…hes gold.
syn

I’d probably be a republican if it weren’t for the social conservatism.

I don’t understand your conflicted position, 54% of Catholics voted FOR abortion and Big Blue-state California voted AGAINST Gay Marriage therefore social conservatism is not a GOP Republican problem.
Hungry Bear

“a Republican Party that is unified by the basic tenets of fiscal responsibility and personal freedom, but that allows for diverse opinions on social issues by its members.”

Amen
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

Ya mean the full-throated Conservative tax increases or the full-throated Conservative expansion of government?

As opposed to the tax increases of Carter, Bush Sr., and Clinton? As opposed to the expansion of federal power under Carter, Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr.?

Or are you talking about his full-throated Conservative deficit extravaganza?

As opposed to the defecits of EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT SINCE FDR?

Oh, I know! Its gotta be his full-throated Conservative values of arming Saddam and helping create the Taliban.

As opposed to Carter providing aid to Arafat and turning Iran into the backwards country that it is now (thus prompting Reagan to side with Saddam)? As opposed to Clinton selling our secrets to the Chinese and giving us a nuclear North Korea?

You so full of it. It’s pathetic.
HG

Liberty is the priority. On that we must agree. As far as electing Rino’s being necessary, in the short term, yeah, probably in certain districts. Not the President necessarily, but some districts, yeah. However, the objective is liberty not moderate republicanism that compromises liberty for the sake of political expediency. Short term, I’ll give Steele his dues. But if liberty is to prevail, we’ve got to wake up all right, wake up to the God-given rights our constitution is founded upon. We’ve got to educate and understand what American liberty is, and appreciate it for what it is. This is going to take a little time and whole hell of a lot of effort.
di butler

Why should he read what he writes? He can’t even read and comprehend what we write, so that would be pushing it. However, I am sick of his faggy ass.
Doug

I don’t think his social views even entered the equation.

An absense of conservative social views doesn’t play well. How well did it play for McCain? I wasn’t all that certain of his stance on abortion as he didn’t talk about it that often unless pressed. The “equation” for success was last practiced by Ronald Reagan and it involved both active fiscal conservatism and active social conservatism.
NoJelly

Far as I’m concerned it’s a trust issue. The blind trust that is a Democrat is what gets a potentially dangerous empty shirt like Obama into the White House. That the komissars aren’t on the street corners and the bread and toilet paper lines haven’t begun yet is disrupting that trust, but that’s more of a lack of patience issue…

Anyone who gives trust freely on the word of political candidates is a fool. There were more fools than not this year.

Once trust is lost, the recovery of it is much much more difficult. The Republican party has little chance with me. How does a political party simply change it’s values and core beliefs in order to acquire membership? This is windmill flavored koolaid and the patent is already taken out…I don’t change my beliefs so people will like me, how am I to trust an organization that does so?

The GOP needs to become the third party…
2Hotel9

Di, dinothefakehomo is not a homo, it is a fake homo. It is trawling blogs, attempting to bring people to its side, the homophobic haters side.
Doug

Good. Let’s nominate moderate candidates in the Republican Party. McCain’s moderateness was such a success.
bill-tb

Anybody seen the movie Soylent Green?
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Then they’ll become a party that narrowly appeals to only the most backwards parts of the south.
dragon poker

GOP has got to get back to basics. That means limited government. Lower spending. More personal freedom and individual responsibility. More conservatism and less populism, basically.

This would work, and I would be thrilled if this is the route the GOP chose for itself, but there are so many self serving emotionals pretending to be conservative that it will not happen. Instead, the social issues folks will never give give up. They are confused as to what consevative means. At its base, it means “personal freedom and self determination”, not “do as I say, not as I do”.
Instead, they will “CLING” to the small minded emotionalism that they live with and wish on everyone else, and they will lose every major election they attempt to compete in, dragging real conservatives down with them.
Dems are moderating themselves, at least in words, to exploit this obvious weakness in the GOP. They will be successful because religious types and moralists will continue to respond emotionally to problems that need intellectual resolutions.
Dino

What he’s asking is that you become Clinton democrats.

See? I told you libealism always wins in the end. Socially liberal is still liberal, despite the deep-seated resistance to paying taxes. You’ll end up paying anyway otherwise the country will cease operating.

Liberalism wins again!
Dino

Who cares what Barney Frank thought? Did he have access to their books? Fannie & Freddie are private enterprises. That doesn’t change the fact that F&F were NOT the cause of the meltdown. They were symptoms.

The Barney Frank thing and that tired YouTube video are red herrings, desperate attempts to deflect blame onto liberals who haven’t had power since 1964. LOL

Loans do not originate with F&F. They originated with banks and loan companies like Countrywide. Most of the subprime loans did NOT originate with CRA-connected institutions either.

You people are grabbing at straws.

F&F execs and ex-execs are going to be testifying before Congress:

Top former Fannie, Freddie excutives to testify

Let’s see how that shakes out. Since it won’t become an indictment of “the liberals” you’ll simply claim the whole thing a sham. You’re too convinced that it just couldn’t have been due to the bad policies and corruption of your beloved republicans.

But it was.
2Hotel9

The topic is you are a lying asshole. There it is, lying asshole.
di butler

I don’t want to have the “wrong” message out, but I think the only things discussed should be limited government issues. Let there be other forums for specific beliefs. I want it run like a successful business. If you make it palatable then people come. I am as anti-abortion as they come, but I don’t think the head of RNC needs to blather on about it. Let the Christian groups put out the messages like this.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

she was so weirdly delusional about everything

No surprise there! Look at some of the rocket scientists we get here!
2Hotel9

Oh, I’m sorry, dinothefakehomo, the minor fact that you are a lying fucking asshole distracted me from the main point of the discussion. You are a lying fucking asshole. That is the main point of discussion. You are a lying fucking asshole, that being the main point of discussion lets us dwell upon it. You are not gay, lesbian, or homosexual. The minor fact that dinothefakehomo has been banned from multiple GLH websites confirms that its purpose is to agitate AGAINST GLH causes. That is why it showed up here in early November. That is when this whole campaign to raise the level of anti-gay comments in the blogsphere began. And when dinothefakehomo first appeared.

You have been banned from GLAA, OutAndEqual, Gaylesbiantimes, and 2 columnists for the Advocate call you a lying fucking asshole. Their words, not mine.

So lets us stick to the topic, lying asshole.
robert108

di: They’re not even “liberal”, which means loving liberty. They are totalitarian facists.
robert108

MT: Thanks for the spelling correction; you guys are fascists, no doubt.
di butler

Proof,

David Duke? LOL, I was so not expecting that. Oh crap, that’s funny. Oh, and by the way, you guys are not following the rules!!! I told ya’ll they want to be called “progressives” now, don’t act like ya’ll don’t know they have a new handle. Have you ever noticed how libs are like grifters who change their name ever time they move to a new town? The libs want to be called a different name every time you turn around. It’s like they are incognito and don’t want to admit what they are.
Dino

2hotel9? Are you being medicated?

What is a GLH website? I have no clue what you;’re talking about or who you think banned me from websites.

Do tell. This should be good.
Doug

Dragon Poker:

Instead, the social issues folks will never give give up. They are confused as to what consevative means. At its base, it means “personal freedom and self determination”, not “do as I say, not as I do”.

OK. I am a social issue folk. I believe in personal freedom and self-determination. Take the case of the aborted fetus. What self determination is that individual allowed? Not much self determination is currently granted that individual. The amoralists who you are advocating for aren’t for self-determination in all cases. The amoralist position is conflicted even though they strive not to be in their anxiousness to be moderate.

Instead, they will “CLING” to the small minded emotionalism that they live with and wish on everyone else, and they will lose every major election they attempt to compete in, dragging real conservatives down with them.

Was Ronald Reagan a real conservative by your definition? Did he drag real conservatives down with him? Ronald Reagan advocated his moral views to the benefit of our society. Many presidents prior to Reagan did the same. Reagan understood our country to be a republic, not a democracy or an anarchy. For self-determination to be available to individuals, society adopts laws to promote good order. Otherwise an anarchy would exist and self-determination would only be available to a few.
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

Steele, and the rest of the Beltway RINO’s are not clear on the concept.

At the very core of the Republican Party are Conservative values. When you abandon those, it is no longer a party of Conservatives, or should I more accurately say, of Americans.

When you shift away from the Constitution, you are casting yourself adrift in that amorphous, values-free, state — a vacuum really, which is readily filled by an aggressive Leftard power-seeking leadership.

McCain tried this and failed miserably.

Romney, Huckabee and Guliani, and before them, Dole, Graham, Alexander and Ford, all followed the Democrat-lite option.

All failed miserably.

Starting to get the picture?

RINOs are a cancer on America.

They drain the vitality out of the Conservative movement.

They hijack the party into a direction Conservative America is unwilling to follow and has led to a string of electoral failures.

Reagan’s full-throated Conservative Constitutionalism worked.

Gingrich’s clearly-delineated Conservative Contract with America WORKED.

I am, so, so sick of RINOs.

Rob, as you can imagine. I strongly disagree with you here.
Man Train

robert108 said,

They’re not even “liberal”, which means loving liberty. They are totalitarian facists.

This coming from a guy who claims there exist “Real” Americans…

Hypocrite.

BTW: You spelled “fascist” incorrectly… You guys should at very least TRY to spell things correctly when using hyperbolic name-calling and projection.
sayanything-2407

Dino tries to act like he is putting the thread back on topic and then diverts to his own topic for discussion.

Nice try – fail.

Michael Steele To Republicans: We Need To Reach Out To The Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal

That is the topic of ROB’s post. If you wish to set a topic for discussion plesae use the readers blog portion so you can create your own instead of hijacking anothers.
di butler

Dino,

I read the same thing about you. There was some big time dislike for you.
Mickey

proof,

A dino pool. I like it.

What are the Vegas odds dino makes an ass of himself?
2Hotel9

So you are not the one bragging about going to a wingnut blog called sayanything and making trouble? Right. We all believe you! Its a conspiracy to make you look like an idiot. Oh, thats right! Couldn’t be, you do an excellent job of making yourself look like an idiot.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Still celebrating the one victory you had?

No, dimwit, I was pointing out to you, that despite voting Democratic, many blacks are quite conservative in their social views. You apparently are not bright enough to grasp that on your own. (Or much of anything!)

Go see the movie Milk and you’ll see how far queers have come in a short time!

Queers? Again, for a dimwit posing as a liberal, you have taken many intolerant shots at gays, blacks and women.

Dino: Are you really David Duke?
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Oh, and if you think that “black conservative” is an oxymoron, check out the percentages of blacks in California that voted in favor of Prop 8.
(Have someone Google it for you. It involves typing strings of characters together, like “Prop” and “8″. Then have someone explain to you what Prop 8 was.)

For extra credit, you could check out blacks and vouchers. But, I wouldn’t want your head to ‘splode!
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

Reagan’s full-throated Conservative Constitutionalism worked?

Ya mean the full-throated Conservative tax increases or the full-throated Conservative expansion of government?

Or are you talking about his full-throated Conservative deficit extravaganza?

Perhaps you’re referencing his full-throated Conservative Libyan cut and run or his full-throated Conservative Iran/Contra scandal. I don’t think your talking about his full-throated Conservative Ollie North drug running scheme.

Oh, I know! Its gotta be his full-throated Conservative values of arming Saddam and helping create the Taliban.

Yep, that’s gotta be the value added you’re talking about.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

a second-rate, black, conservative oxymoron has suggested

“Oxymoron”? Dear Dim Dim Dim Dino:
1)Buy a dictionary.
2)Have someone read it to you!
Kisses.
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Let’s nominate moderate candidates in the Republican Party. McCain’s moderateness was such a success.

McCain was a fiscal moderate, and that was his problem.

I don’t think his social views even entered the equation.

If you’re conservative, you want fiscal responsibility and limited govt(according to the Constitution, and you also want the govt to stay out of the social area, in terms of social spending and creating crap like “abortion rights”.

I agree with all of that, and certainly think we should resist the legalization of gay marriage through court ruling (it should be through a vote of the people), but I just don’t think that opposing gay marriage is an effective policy centerpiece of a national party.

It’s got to be something else. The GOP needs to get back to fiscal conservatism. Period.
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I don’t care about the head of the head of the RNC’s exact beliefs.

I guess I do. I mean, the head of the RNC should be good at all those things you mention too, but I think the RNC Chairman also encompasses the direction of the party.

What good is winning elections if we’re winning them with the wrong message?

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