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Well, we already knew what kind of a guy Bush was, and I hope someone sues him (and possibly the world may still try him) for the disingenuous reasons for the war ON Iraq.

Thousands of lost lives, maiming, destruction:  Wonder what that’s worth in dollars?

Nice segue.  Very smooth.

Thanks.  I try.

Michael Moore is a doofus, and anyone who takes his political commentary seriously is one as well.

For someone who is so quick to defend Ann Coulter, you gotta lotta nerve calling anyone “a doofus.”

And what happened to “innocent until proven guilty?” You always squeal about that whenever someone trashes DeLay or Abramhoff (people who were actually indicted, not just sued in civil court).

Finally, considering the fact that the movie came out two years ago and Sgt. Damon never said ‘boo’ about it until he figured out a way to make a buck, it smells like one of those frivilous lawsuits you right-wingers are always bitchin’ about.

Their code word is ‘duplicity’, Don.  They wrote the book on it, followed only by Faux Patriotism, and Defending the Indefensible.

Thousands of lost lives, maiming, destruction: Wonder what that’s worth in dollars?

Maybe you can ask the man you appear to be supporting Saddam?

it smells like one of those frivilous lawsuits

Why is it a frivilous lawsuit? Because it goes after someone who you agree with?

Don Meyers said:

And what happened to “innocent until proven guilty?” You always squeal about that whenever someone trashes DeLay or Abramhoff (people who were actually indicted, not just sued in civil court).

Where did anyone say Moore was guilty in this instance?  The “doofus” comment was an opinion of Moore’s abilities as a political commentator in general.  It was heavy-handed, but it doesn’t indicate any belief of guilt or innocence on Rob’s part in the matter laid out in the story.

Thousands of lost lives, maiming, destruction: Wonder what that’s worth in dollars?

Maybe you can ask the man you appear to be supporting Saddam?

Oh gee, you don’t support Bush, you must support Saddam.  Comparing Bush to Saddam.  Well, shucks, Bush ain’t killed as many as Saddam.

What a complete arse.

Here’s a quick link to 59 falsehoods in “Fahrenheit 9/11”:

http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

...and a presentation of “Columbine Gutterballs” by Gun Owners of America.

http://www.gunowners.org/opmooretb.htm

Yes, advocacy groups, but all of these are linked to easily verifiable reports.  The long & short of it is that Moore’s habit of playing fast and loose with the truth sets him up admirably for a lawsuit.

Bob:

Why is it you believe every word that the GOP smear machine spits out? Are you really that blindly partisan?

My motto: never believe anything a Jew sais.

Don

Perhaps you ought to try actually reading the links I provide, which do have footnotes and references by which the allegations can be evaluated.

And for the record, neither link I provided has any links to the GOP.  They are profoundly conservative, but the past few years ought to make very clear that “GOP” and “conservative” are not synonymous. 

So GOP smear machine?  Nope, just facts that are awfully uncomfortable for Michael Moore at this moment.

Perhaps you ought to try actually reading the links I provide, which do have footnotes and references by which the allegations can be evaluated.

I have (they’re hardly new) and they’re mostly smoke and mirrors.

And for the record, neither link I provided has any links to the GOP.

Bullshit. If you really believe that you’re dumber than I tought.

Why is it you believe every word that the GOP smear machine spits out? Are you really that blindly partisan?

However, there is no Democrat smear machine and if there was Michael Moore would not be part of it.

Oh gee, you don’t support Bush, you must support Saddam.

So you would prefer Saddam still be in power and the oil for food program continued to be corrupt and the Iraq War never happened?

Or is this your answer.
How would Saddam “not necessarily be in power” if Kerry’d been President?

So you would prefer Saddam still be in power and the oil for food program continued to be corrupt and the Iraq War never happened?
Or is this your answer.

Do you still beat your wife?

Don Myers:

Why is it you believe every word that the GOP smear machine spits out? Are you really that blindly partisan?

That’s very funny coming from a myopic partisan like yourself.

This is the sort of blind zealotry that David Kopel pushes:

In a democracy, we should try to convince our fellow citizens with facts and logical reasoning.  To manipulate people with frauds and propaganda is to attack democracy itself.

And then he follows it with a list of deliberate lies and distortions made by Moore in his “docufictionary”, starting with Moore’s shameless distortion of the election night events:

Here are the first five lies, according to Kopel.

1. The Gore “victory” rally isn’t celebrating a Florida win. It was held before the polls had even opened.
2. Like all the other networks, Fox mistakenly said that Gore had won in Florida. The first network to retract the Florida mistake was CBS, not Fox.
3. A 6-month study by a consortium of major newspapers shows that Bush would have won the Florida recount under any of the terms which Gore sought in his lawsuits.
4. Investigation by the Palm Beach Post and others shows that race was not a reason why election officials mistakenly disqualified some voters because they were incorrectly thought to have felony convictions.
5. Bush’s Presidency before 9/11 was not in serious trouble. No commentator said that he looked like a lame-duck president.
   Congress had passed his #1 bill (the tax cut) and was on the way to passing his #2 bill (the education bill).

Getting the order of events wrong, misrepresenting who said what, what they said, when they said it.  How wrong does something have to be, before modern “liberals” will disown it?

Don:

I have (they’re hardly new) and they’re mostly smoke and mirrors.

And you are as usual completely full of shit.

Perhaps you can prove one of those allegations wrong, Don, using some decent sources?  And yes, they’re not GOP sources.  For example, here are some examples where GOA takes on Republicans:

http://www.gunowners.org/a032706.htm

http://www.gunowners.org/op0608.htm

http://www.gunowners.org/op0359.htm

Perhaps you might do well to interact with claims on the basis of their veracity, rather than their source.  It’s awfully fun to play ad hominem games, but reality is that they don’t work when you’re debating anyone who knows what they’re doing.

Carrick and Bob:

I’m not going to reply to obvious untruths, GOP smears, and bullshit. The fact that you lap that shit up with a spoon tells me all I need to know about you.

There is only one way to argue with fanatics like you...DON’T.

The fact that you lap that shit up with a spoon tells me all I need to know about you.

Don, I think they use a Bubble Tea straw...you know, those big, wide ones for tapioca balls.

If Mikey has the legally binding, signed release that the law requires he get from anyone not a member of the Screen Actors Guild, this case would evaporate. Since he has not produced this very simple piece of evidence the court has moved forward. Mikey boy is gonna payout like a slot machine.

No problem.  He can just make another movie.  Bush has given him plenty of new material since the first one.  Even ‘better’ material.

Moore is an always will be a slimebag.

End of story.

So is Bush, so they make a good pair.

Well, there actually is a difference in the results of their actions.

Kill ratios.

Moore:  0

Bush:  Up to 100,000 and counting.

People like Michael Moore should be jailed for teason.  The movies he produced gave aide and comfort to the enemy.  We should support our troops and bashing the president does not help but endangers our troops lives as they have said many times.  The drive by media in order to trash the president at any cost.  They could care less about our troops.  What is it 89% of newsreporters are left wing liberal democrats last I read?  So how unbiased are they?  I believe the war would have been over had it not been for the media insighting insurgents with false reporting of flushing the Koran - which never happened etc. But do they care? No.  Only hate is their objective.  They can’t stand to see our nation succeed under this president .  I think it is obvious Hate, Hate, Hate.  Its a shame they don’t care about America.  In the old days they would be in jail for treason.

People like Michael Moore should be jailed for teason.  The movies he produced gave aide and comfort to the enemy.  We should support our troops and bashing the president does not help but endangers our troops lives as they have said many times.  The drive by media in order to trash the president at any cost.  They could care less about our troops.  What is it 89% of newsreporters are left wing liberal democrats last I read?  So how unbiased are they?  I believe the war would have been over had it not been for the media insighting insurgents with false reporting of flushing the Koran - which never happened etc. But do they care? No.  Only hate is their objective.  They can’t stand to see our nation succeed under this president .  I think it is obvious Hate, Hate, Hate.  Its a shame they don’t care about America.  In the old days they would be in jail for treason. Truth hurts and they will not post this.

People like Michael Moore should be jailed for teason.  The movies he produced gave aide and comfort to the enemy.  We should support our troops and bashing the president does not help but endangers our troops lives as they have said many times.  The drive by media in order to trash the president at any cost.  They could care less about our troops.  What is it 89% of newsreporters are left wing liberal democrats last I read?  So how unbiased are they?  I believe the war would have been over had it not been for the media insighting insurgents with false reporting of flushing the Koran - which never happened etc. But do they care? No.  Only hate is their objective.  They can’t stand to see our nation succeed under this president .  I think it is obvious Hate, Hate, Hate.  Its a shame they don’t care about America.  In the old days they would be in jail for treason. Truth hurts and they will not post this.

In the old days, Bush would have been on trial possibly in a world court setting, with other countries having first invaded the U.S. and arrested him to stop the wholesale invasion/occupation/slaughter of citizens of a sovereign nation.

But those were the good old days.

That was then, this is now.

You mean Michael Moore, the propagandist?  Hope he loses bigtime in court.

Truth is not allowed in this blog.  My comment has been censored.  Typical closed minded intolerant liberal blog.  So forget it.

R obviously does not know where it is. Never knew that letting someone post the same thing 3 times qualified as censorship. Ain’t that special!

crazy nutter, huh?

Not much of a writer, either. I tried reading that, punctuation is just a bit erratic. Perhaps its printer screwed up the talking points sheet. I’ll tell Rush to resend it when he comes over to play Monopoly tonight. LOL!

Don Myers:

I’m not going to reply to obvious untruths, GOP smears, and bullshit. The fact that you lap that shit up with a spoon tells me all I need to know about you.

About what I expected.  Confronted with factually verifiable statements, Don scurries off.  If you can’t win, lie then flee.

Coward.

In the meantime, here’s an inconvenient truth, fully on topic:

There is considerable buzz surrounding the revelation that the bin Laden Group donated $1 million to the Jimmy Carter Library. It is ironic, obviously, that after Michael Moore made the false claim that President Bush was somehow too cozy with the bin Ladens in his movie Fahrenheit 911, Moore attended the Democratic National Convention in company with Carter, against whom his accusation could have been made with far more justice.

The last honest movie Moore made was Canadian Bacon.
A decent comedy with a very good cast.

Every thing since than has been pandering to the hard extremist left. 

Mr. Moore understands is that Capitialism works.  Not that he is going to promote that in his movies though.

"Finally, considering the fact that the movie came out two years ago and Sgt. Damon never said ‘boo’ about it until he figured out a way to make a buck.” -Don “gobbels” Myers

Don, didn’t I tell you that, when posting on this site, wait at least two or three comments before you pull an OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIE out of you ass?

Damon has been outspoken in his denouncment of Moore’s portrayal of him in F9/11.

here is the NY Post, in its entirety (emphasis mine):

A double-amputee Iraq-war vet is suing Michael Moore for $85 million, claiming he recycled an old interview and used it out of context to make him appear anti-war in “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

Sgt. Peter Damon, 33, who strongly supports America’s invasion of Iraq, said he never agreed to be in the 2004 movie, which trashes President Bush.

In the 2003 interview, which he did at Walter Reed Army Hospital for NBC News, he discussed only a new painkiller the military was using on wounded vets.

“They took the clip because it was a gut-wrenching scene,” Damon said Tuesday. “They sandwiched it in. [Moore] was using me as ammunition.”

Damon seems to “voice complaint about the war effort” in the movie, according to the lawsuit.

But what the father of two from Middleborough, Mass., was really talking about was the “excruciating” pain he felt after he lost his arms when a Black Hawk helicopter exploded in front of him.

Damon wasn’t expressing any opinion about the war, the suit charges, but rather extolling the drug.

“I just want everybody to know what kind of a guy Michael Moore is, and what kind of film this is,” said Damon. He has appeared in two films attacking “Fahrenheit”—“Michael Moore Hates America” and “Fahrenhype 9/11.”

In “Fahrenheit 9/11,” the bandaged National Guardsman is shown laying on a gurney complaining that he feels like he’s “being crushed in a vise. But they [the drugs] do a lot to help it and they take a lot of the edge off it.”

His image appears seconds after Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) says, “You know, they say they’re not leaving any veterans behind, but they’re leaving all kinds of veterans behind.”

Damon—the dad of an 8-year-old girl and a 4-year-old boy—doesn’t come close to feeling that way.

“He couldn’t have picked the worst guy to say that about,” he told The Post.

“I’m the most fortunate disabled guy. I’ve even had a house built for me [by a nonprofit group, Home for Our Troops].”

Particularly outrageous to Damon is the fact that Moore never interviewed him or asked his permission to use the old clip.

“I was complaining about the pain I would’ve been having [if it weren’t for the painkiller],” he said.

NBC is named in the suit—which was filed in Suffolk County, Mass., on Friday—along with Harvey and Robert Weinstein, Miramax Corp., Lions Gate Films and other production companies involved with the picture.

Newsman Brian Williams ends the NBC clip by adding, “These men, with catastrophic wounds are ... completely behind the war effort,” according to the lawsuit.

That part, which wasn’t shown in the Moore movie, is a far more accurate depiction of Damon’s feelings, he said.

Lawyer Dennis Lynch said he took the case last year and they held off filing the lawsuit in a bid to settle the matter.

“We attempted to resolve the situation amicably with Mr. Moore [for a year] but he refused,” he said.
Damon is asking for up to $75 million because of “loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation.”

In addition, his wife is suing for another $10 million because of the “mental distress and anguish suffered by her spouse.”
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Don, you fucking hack. Once again you have been proven a liar.

Don?......where’d you go?

Dooooooonnnn????

Guess you ran away again, just like every other time you get proven for the cowardly hack you most definately are.

Don Myers everbody; the future of the left.

don’t everybody stand up and applaud at once.

Veritas:

Don, didn’t I tell you that, when posting on this site, wait at least two or three comments before you pull an OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIE out of you ass?

Don doesn’t mind making an ass of himself.  He did that a while ago with a number of unfounded remarks about Daniel Okrent, who had the temerity to suggest that the New York TImes is left-leaning.

Dear Bob, Carrick, and Vert:

Normally I am loathe to reply to fanatics like you because it doesn’t do any good---it’ll just bounce off that reality-proof bubble you call a head. Bust since you’ve impugned my honor, I’ll put a brief reality smack-down on y’all.

From your smear machine:

[N}o guns are kept at her bank, although one would think so. She says that ordinarily a person entitled to one of the long-guns must go to a gun-dealer where the gun is shipped.

That’s an outright LIE, since the bank is also a registered gun dealer according to The Chicago Sun-Times.

From your smear machine:

Like all the other networks, Fox mistakenly said that Gore had won in Florida. The first network to retract the Florida mistake was CBS, not Fox.

Another outright LIE, according to CNN:

At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never call Florida for Bush.

From your smear machine:

According to Fahrenheit, Bush cronies hired Data Base Technologies to purge Florida voters who might vote for Gore, and these potential voters were purged from the voting rolls on the basis of race.

That’s been well established as true---look here and here and here and here and here.

I could go on, but what’s the point? You believe everything the GOP smear machine tells you with religious fervor.

Don Myers:

Normally I am loathe to reply to fanatics like you because it doesn’t do any good---it’ll just bounce off that reality-proof bubble you call a head. But just for kicks…

From your smearing comment, you assert that it has been “well established as true” that Florida voters were purged on the basis of race and offer up a few moonbat smear machine links along with an OpinionJournal piece that makes me wonder if you read your own comments. The OpinionJournal piece to which you link as the established truth states:

Which leaves the “stolen election” crowd with these inconvenient facts: In 24 of the 25 Florida counties with the highest ballot spoilage rate, the county supervisor was a Democrat. In the 25th county, the supervisor was an Independent. And as for the “felon purge list,” the Miami Herald found that whites were twice as likely to be incorrectly placed on the list as blacks.

What say you now?

Don is good at acting the ass, but is pathetic about getting the facts right.  Here’s a partial transcript from Fahrenheit 9/11:

Did the last four years not really happen? Look, there’s Ben Affleck. He’s often in my dreams. And the taxi driver guy. He was there too. And little Stevie Wonder, he seemed so happy, like a miracle had taken place. Was it a dream? Or was it real? It was election night 2000 and everything seemed to be going as planned. Series of news clips: In New York, Al Gore is our projected winner. / The Garden State is green for Gore. / We project that Mr. Gore is the winner in Delaware. This state has voted with the winner in… / (Tom Brokaw interrupts) Mike, you know I wouldn’t do this if it weren’t big: Florida goes for Al Gore. / CNN announces that we call Florida in the Al Gore column. NARRATOR: Then something called the Fox News Channel called the election in favor of the other guy. BRIT HUME: Sorry to interrupt you; Fox News now projects George W. Bush the winner in Florida and thus it appears the winner of the Presidency of the United States. NARRATOR: All of a sudden the other networks said, “Hey, if Fox said it, it must be true.”

Here’s the actual timeline:

circa 7:45PM:  Voters News Service calls Florida

7:49PM:  NBC calls Florida for Gore

7:50PM:  CBS calls for Gore

7:52PM:  Fox calls for Gore

These calls were all before the polls had closed in western
Florida, costing Bush thousands of potential votes on the predominantly Republican Panhandle.

8:02PM:  ABC calls for Gore (only major news network to wait until polls had closed)

9:38PM: VNS issues advisory canceling their original call

10:00: red-faced Dan Rather is first to declare Florida too close to call, apologizes:

This knock-down drag-out battle drags on into the night. And turn the lights down; the party just got wilder. To err is to human--is human, to really foul up requires a computer. And that’s what’s happened with Florida. Everybody that we know of had put Florida into the Gore column sometime ago. Now we’re pulling it back into the undecided column because some bad data came from certain precincts in Florida. . . . This thing is so wild, wacky and wooly, nobody knows how it’s going to come out

2:16AM:  After most precincts have reported, Fox News is the first to call Florida for Bush.  At this point, Bush had a 50,000 vote lead according to the Florida Election Commission

2:18 AM: CNN declares Florida for Bush
2:20 AM: ABC reluctantly calls for Bush:

Unless there is a terrible calamity, George W. Bush, by our projections, is going to be the next president of the United States

2:30 AM:  Gore calls Bush and concedes

3:30 AM: 50,000 vote margin shrunk to hundreds.  Gore calls Bush and withdrawals concession.

3:59 AM: CBS, NBS retract their call for Bush

Michael Moore’s version?  Not even close to the truth. He’s an embarrassment to his own cause.

Kind of like the dog and pony show Colin put on in front of the U.N....full of distortions, half truths or outright misrepresentations.

He said it was the worst moment of his life or something like that?

And, of course, we don’t hear much from Colin anymore.

I suppose to the ‘gang’ here, Colin’s become the bad guy too?

It’s dark on this site...really, really dark.
Hateful and dark.

But I’m staying to shed some light. So don’t worry, things will get brighter.

And who would want to miss the blather once your little world starts to really crash around your heels if/when the truth ever comes out about the war ON Iraq and the administration?  Who wouldn’t want just a peek at what the Bushites do then?  It’s a study not to be missed by any good amateur psychologist.

But who knows, maybe you’ll win in this lifetime.

Your husband’s Mullah is sure proud of you, Dhimi.

Uh huh.

Glad to see you are finally owning up to your stupidity.

Uh huh.

It just gets easier, doesn’t it?

Yep.

Meooow.

As the man said before going overtop in 1915"Free your mind, Your ass will surely follow”.

Tourettes Alert!!! 

He’s winding up..........