Media Blaming Drug Gang Violence On Guns Again

Back in March and April the Obama administration was making a stink about border violence with Mexican drug lords. And while that is a problem, Obama and his fellow liberals were suggesting that it was American guns being shipped to Mexico that was causing the problem.
And not, you know, the unquenchable American thirst for illegal drugs that the drug lords are servicing.
As it turned out, the gun figures used by the Obama administration were pretty much fabricated. But that’s not stopping Obama’s buddies in the liberal media from now making the same claims about Mexican drug violence – that it’s caused by American guns – about Jamaican drug violence.

KINGSTON, Jamaica – Ships from Miami steam into Jamaica’s main harbor loaded with TV sets and blue jeans. But some of the most popular U.S. imports never appear on the manifests: handguns, rifles and bullets that stoke one of the world’s highest murder rates.
The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.
And as the Obama administration cracks down on smuggling into Mexico, Jamaicans fear even more firearms will reach the gangs whose turf wars plague the island of 2.8 million people.
“It’s going to push a lot of that trade back toward the Caribbean like it was back in the ’80s,” said Vance Callender, an attache at the U.S. Embassy in Kingston for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Guns are not motivating drug crime in Mexico or Jamaica. What’s motivating drug crime all over the world, including places like Mexico, Jamaica and our own communities right here in America is the prohibition on drugs. If there were no black market for drugs there would be no drug wars.
As usual, the liberals blame guns for crimes that are really being motivated by something else. The old anti-gun control maxim holds true: Guns don’t commit crimes. People commit crimes.
But this really is something of a brilliant strategy by liberals who want to control guns. They know that conservatives are pro-gun. They also know that despite being pro-limited government in general, most conservatives are unwilling to even discuss the possibility of ending even parts of America’s drug prohibition. And since ramped up enforcement efforts and increasingly draconian punishments haven’t even put a dent in drug use in this country, pitching gun control as a way to fight drugs works perfectly to get people who would normally oppose such initiatives on their side.
It’s a deft bit of triangulation. Let’s hope it doesn’t work.

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  • http://Array ellinas

    Right and wrong…as defined by robert108 right?
    Rob on June 21, 2009 at 02:32 pm

    You got this one right buster!
    r180 is the ultimate authority on everything.
    Those that question his knowledge, or sense of right and wrong, will be relegated to eternal damnation.
    The infidels will burn in hell.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Druggies will always be able to get ahold of guns.

    Pretending otherwise is idiocy.

  • AR-15

    Rob is gonna start voting Democrat.

    I’m going to bet you all my AR’s you’re wrong. What do you have to bet against the “new” gold?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Now any homosexual can set up shop in Barney Franks apartment.

    Yeah, well, I was thinking 98 percent of society.

    Not the deviant 2 percent.

    Sorry, my bad.

  • sayanything-5371

    In Africa thousands are killed with machetes. You don’t need a gun to kill someone. Even if guns could be banned, people would still find a way to kill.

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/562388/-/u4aygq/-/index.html

    By PATRICK NZIOKA and JOHN NJAGIPosted Tuesday, April 21 2009 at 08:04
    In Summary

    Suspected Mungiki were avenging killings of suspected sect members in Kirinyaga last week.

    At least 26 people have been killed in Monday overnight clashes between residents on the border of two villages in central Kenya and suspected Mungiki members.

    The sect members struck two villages on the border between Kirinyaga and Nyeri districts and killed 26 people in retaliation after a week in which more than ten of their members were killed in Kirinyaga area. A Nation team at the scene confirmed the body count, but a doctor at the local hospital put the figure at 29.

    “We have so far received 29 bodies. Most of them have their arms chopped off,” doctor David Ndegwa, at a hospital in Karatina, was quoted as saying by the AFP news agency.

    Two were burnt to death in a house that the Mungiki set on fire and which they used to lure the people out of their homes at around 2.30 am Tuesday morning.

    Those killed were locals as well as members of vigilante groups who responded to the distress call from the occupants of the house that was set on fire.

    Central Provincial Police Officer John M’Mbijjiwe said several villagers were hacked to death.

    “The attackers burnt the house so as to attract as many villagers as possible and then lay in wait for them and butchered them,” he said.

    Eighteen of the people were killed at Gathaithi village while the other seven were abducted and hacked to death with machetes and axes at Kiaruhiu trading centre both in Nyeri East district.

    Residents say tens of youths armed with pangas, axes and rungus raided Gathaithi and Kiaruhiu trading centres about one kilometre apart and butchered the victims using pangas and axes.

    Police spokesman Eric Kiraithe has said investigations are underway and urged locals not to take the law into their own hands.

    “The Kenya Police Force is treating the matter very seriously,” he said.

    The killings came a day after suspected Mungiki members attacked a matatu that was transiting from Kerugoya Town to Karatina at Jambo area, a few metres from a police road block near Karatina town along the Nyeri-Karatina highway.

  • JimH

    Come on guys. Allow a little sarcasm please. A poke in the ribs. Something.

  • JimH

    Guns are not motivating drug crime in Mexico or Jamaica. What’s motivating drug crime all over the world, including places like Mexico, Jamaica and our own communities right here in America is the prohibition on drugs. If there were no black market for drugs there would be no drug wars.

    While you debunk one commie lie you propagate another.

    You know I’ll bet with the wanting to smoke pot, and the weird gay thing he has going Rob is gonna start voting Democrat. Berry in 12. barf….

  • sayanything-5371

    Blaming guns for crime is like blaming prostitution on vaginas.

    Truth be told, zig, until recently a vagina was mandatory equipment for prostitution. Now any homosexual can set up shop in Barney Franks apartment.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Blaming guns for crime is like blaming prostitution on vaginas.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    of those whose origin can be traced

    There’s the lie in the statistic right there! Most of the guns confiscated cannot be traced for lack of serial number.
    John Lott’s son did a yeoman’s job in exposing this a couple of months ago here: Gun Control Advocates Misfire With Statistics

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Legalize drugs, declare war on the remaining gangsters, mafia and their businesses, lock and load and liberally kill the bastards.

    Sometimes, life and answers are not that complicated. When one thing doesn’t work, try another.

  • robert108

    Criminals are those who don’t respect and follow the law. The “cause” is always the same: lack of respect for the law and the difference between right and wrong.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Simplification for those not getting it: Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion of the individual and supersede those of society.
    That is what that boils down to every single time it is used. Moral relativism to the Nth degree.

    Yet your argument is no better. Morality is simply what 50%+1 agree it is. If the majority agree that the age of consent should be 4 or that murder should be legal, then you no longer have an argument. Because your entire debate is “more people agree with me than you”. But what about the issues you are in the minority on? Are you wrong on those?

    Of course you wouldn’t admit such a thing.

    It’s getting tired listening to your anti-libertarian claptrap.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    I highly doubt that Rob is going to vote for BarryO…

  • tothestars2

    If we ban guns, what do we ban next? Do you really believe the gangs will stop because they have no guns?

  • Farm4$

    Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S.,

    WHOSE ORIGIN CAN BE TRACED !!!!

    Let me see if I get the double speak straight ….

    If 10 guns of the 1,000 can be traced …. and 8 of those ten came from the US, then that would be correct to say that 80% of the guns that can be traced came from the US!!!

    There’s the lie in the statistic right there! Most of the guns confiscated cannot be traced for lack of serial number.
    John Lott’s son did a yeoman’s job in exposing this a couple of months ago here: Gun Control Advocates Misfire With Statistics

    Right on Proof!! even if the statement is correct, it is still a lie. typical damnocrat liberal spin ….

    spell checker please note, I do mean damn o crat for liberal democrats.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Rob:

    Right and wrong…as defined by robert108 right?

    And how dare anyone question it.

    Another implied absolutist argument from you, Rob. You’re getting quite predictable.

    Simplification for those not getting it: Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion of the individual and supersede those of society.

    That is what that boils down to every single time it is used. Moral relativism to the Nth degree.

    You really have been reading liberal claptrap for far too long Rob. You’re starting to internalize their simplistic emotional non-arguments in avoidance by default of the concept that has been put to you before: humans are not ready to do anything they want to do, and they express the knowledge of that overtly through speech and action as well as covertly and subversively through the memes of society, aka culture.

    Society disagrees with you and opinion polls are not the barometer, but the actions of people. You will note that it is not the common every day go to work and make money and pay taxes folk who are downing the drugs and shooting people in such numbers, it’s the poorest and least opportunistically blessed. It’s not the majority, it’s the minority, and without even thinking about it, you advocate something that will inevitably lead to the corrosion of that majority.

    And if the majority are brought low, no one remains to bring the minority high, then how does the whole sorry thing ever get better but by reaching the lowest point altogether? You do know what that lowest point is, don’t you?

    You don’t care though. You intellectually know your position is the road to hell spread with butter and horseshit but you don’t care. All you care about is feeling right and screw the future.

    You may not be thinking that consciously, but it is the truth in the end. Just as with liberals, wanting to feel right, choosing something that agrees with a transitory point in the right now and who cares if it’s bullshit.

    You simplistically blame the government and law and posit so illogically that if we just took that away everything would work itself out and you know humanity does not work that way.

    They get high to avoid the sense they’ve built among them that their lives suck, that whoever wins it won’t be them. Not even trying, they drop into the gutter of the economy, producing and contributing nothing. They’re a drag on others, their families, society and the system still, because we still have compassion without which, the solution in our minds would be extermination. Like they were roaches or something.

    That’s the law of the jungle side of you, not the side that builds laws and justice and society and all that.

    So since we have to maintain our compassion and thus deal with them, why don’t we instead find out why they are so down they’d rather destroy their lives with drugs?

    Oh no, that’s not your responsibility you think. You’d rather leave it up to them to flounder on their own and if they can’t figure it out fuck them.

    That’s what it comes down to.

    The same as with alcohol to minors. If the parents can’t control the kids and the kids become drunks, you don’t care, because you don’t think it had anything to do with you.

    Just like liberals don’t think that people staying poor is their fault, losing their homes and jobs is their fault or any of the other things that happen ten steps out from the things they get behind in the name of feeling like they’re right, instead of being right.

    You really want to go down that road, huh…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Right and wrong…as defined by robert108 right?

    And how dare anyone question it.

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