Meanwhile, Waiting in the Wings, Here’s……..Hillary!

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At a New York political event last week, Republican and Democratic office-holders were all bemoaning President Obama’s handling of the debt-ceiling crisis when someone said, “Hillary would have been a better president.”

“Every single person nodded, including the Republicans,” reported one observer.

Ah, Hillary is starting to look good once again to, well, everyone!

During the last few days, the whispers have swelled to an angry chorus of frustration about Obama’s perceived weaknesses. Many Democrats are furious and heartbroken at how ineffectual he seemed in dealing with Republican opponents over the debt ceiling, and liberals are particularly incensed by what they see as his capitulation to conservatives on fundamental liberal principles.

In Connecticut, a businessman who raised money for Obama in 2008 said, “I’m beyond disgusted.” In New Jersey, a teacher reported that even her friends in the Obama administration are grievously disillusioned with his lack of leadership—and many have begun to whisper about a Democratic challenge for the 2012 presidential nomination. “I think people are furtively hoping that Hillary runs,” she said.

And not only them, but can Obama win if he’s lost Bill Maher?

On Real Time With Bill Maher, the host said that as far as he was concerned, Obama might as well be a Republican, and added that he thought last week represented the tipping point in Obama’s presidency. Wondering if liberals have “buyer’s remorse” about Obama, Maher asked his panel whether Clinton would have been a better president.

“Yes,” replied astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium, adding that Clinton would have been “a more effective negotiator in the halls of Congress.” “She knows how to deal with difficult men,” Maher agreed.

Barack Obama is to politicians what closing time and coyote ugly is to women in bars. Democrats in every part of the political spectrum are waking up next to Barack Obama after a long night of “What was I thinking??” and wondering if they have to chew their arms off to extricate themselves gracefully.

In his New York Times Sunday Review essay “What Happened to Obama?” Emory University psychology professor Drew Westen summed up the president’s lack of experience with devastating succinctness. “Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president, having never run a business or a state; that he had a singularly unremarkable career as a law professor, publishing nothing in 12 years at the University of Chicago other than an autobiography; and that, before joining the United States Senate, he occasionally, as a state senator in Illinois, voted ‘present’ on difficult issues,”

How about those folk who supported Hillary in ’08?

Among Clinton fans, particularly older women, the language was frequently far more caustic. “Obama has no spine and no balls,” said a 67-year-old New Yorker. Other observers contrasted the president’s declining popularity with Clinton’s widely acclaimed performance as secretary of State. “To be blunt, her resume outshines the incumbent’s,” wrote Dickinson, noting that Clinton’s approval rating is close to 70 percent while Obama’s is around 40 percent.

And there are those political pundits who have written off a Hillary run in ’12 merely because Mrs. Clinton said she wouldn’t run. This was in the aftermath of the Wikileaks revelations. This may have damaged her creds as a foreign policy expert or at least provided a source of embarrassment. However, if the Clinton’s internal polling indicates more than the ghost of a chance, expect a “Draft Hillary” movement, where a reluctant Hillary has to be coaxed to take the nomination, for the “good of the country”.

H/T Memeorandum
Cross posted at Proof Positive

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  • Neiman

    There is no way she or anyone opposes Obama on the Left – ain’t happening!

    • Proof

      We’ll see.

      • Neiman

        I want to observe that you have a masterful command of the obvious . . . “we’ll see,” unless were dead – yeah!

        • Proof

          Neiman, if you’d like for me to disagree with you impolitely, I’m sure you know I am capable of that, too!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Why stop now?  Oh yeah, he’s a republican and you’re a partisan douche.

          • Proof

            “you’re a partisan douche” The projection is strong with you this AM, Tranni. Rather like the aroma of your damp, yellow stained “boardies”.

          • A Citizen

            Give him a break Proof, he’s been up all night, alone, again.

          • Proof

            Shhh! We don’t want to wake the one hand he types with!

          • Neiman

            It is a bloody shame that we have to put a bleeding smiley faced chap every time we are saying something amusing, but that’s what these bleeding blog has become.

          • Proof

            Ah, yes. The adults are forced to spell things out around the C-H-I-L-D-R-E-N.

          • Neiman

            Who is the bleeding adult and who the bloody children?

            So, it is either a smiley face or nothing?

          • Proof

            When you look across the crowd, and incline your head down forty five degrees or so and see Hanni, you’ll know who the children are.

          • Neiman

            But, wouldn’t that draw my eyes to the gutter where all the poop flows? Surely that is not what you meant. Tee hee!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Neiman, if you’d like for me to disagree with you impolitely, I’m sure you know I am capable of that, too!

            Yeah, you were on to him.  Obviously we already know you “came onto him”……ew.

          • Proof

            Gosh, Hanni! There wasn’t anything remotely sexual about polite disagreement, your homoerotic fantasies notwithstanding. Is your own self loathing so great that someone as light in the loafers as you, Hanni (NTTAWWT) would find homosexuality repulsive, being a good liberal and all?

  • Sky Rider

    Before anyone gets to fired up over Hilary Clinton think about this; what had Hillary accomplished before she carpet bagged her way into the Senate???? Can’t think of anything either can you…I mean besides being the dupe for skirt chasing Bill and, like Michele, used her husbands coattails to get power. Lets see; She and Obama 1) were both one/first term senators. 2) they both were big shot, legend in their own mind lawyers. 3) They both wrote a book. 4) They both are big government liberals; more taxes, more intrusion, more control. 5) They both want to turn the U.S. into Europe; broke, depleted, and dependent. So what’s the difference??? Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

    • Proof

      Still, compared to Obama, she’s highly qualified.  Of course, by that standard, so is a comatose squirrel.

      • $8194357

        Billary is still a wholly owned subsiderary of Soros INC. tho so they better watch what they wish for….IMO…

        • Proof

          Still, considering Bill on his worst day, it’s hard to imagine Hill not being better than Barry. And just think of the pillow talk it would generate!

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        How dishonest!  Half of your criticism’s against Obama in this post are that he’s not liberal enough.

        On Real Time With Bill Maher, the host said that as far as he was concerned, Obama might as well be a Republican,

        So is it really bad that Obama isn’t as radical of a leftist that you all cried and screamed about?  Do you really think Hillary would be a better liberal and therefore better than Obama?

        You are a dishonest idiot and that’s a really bad combination.

        And nopt [sic] only them, but can Obama win if he’s lost Bill Maher?

        5 cut and pastes, 5 sentences…..there were great odds against your capability, but at least you reduced your stupidity to just 1/5th of the things you were actually responsible for writing. That’s a much increased improvement for you.

        • Proof

          How dishonest!  Half of your criticism’s (sic) against Obama in this post are that he’s not liberal enough

          We’ll add “dishonest” to the long, long, long list of English words you cannot quite comprehend, Hanni.  It is hardly “dishonest” for me to report what liberals are saying about the president whose butt you cannot keep your lips off of. The fact that you cannot defend this rookie president even to fellow liberals is not my problem.

          I know it is a great strain on your intellect, never having had so much as a single original thought yourself, but what I did was not “cut and paste” in the sense that you Google something you know nothing about, Tranni, and then cut and paste it if it contains your search words.

          I was excerpting an article and commenting on it. I used a variety of smaller quotes, because I did not want to violate “fair use” of someone else’s writing, so I used smaller excerpts of a single column (which you probably didn’t read because your ADD kicked in before the end of the headline) and commented on what I thought were the most pertinent parts.

          Congratulations on finding a single typo in my post. Now, work on your apostrophobia. I can fix mine. In three years, you haven’t been able to fix yours.
          Congratulations, too, on adding nothing of substance to the discussion. Your record remains unbroken.

          FYI “Half of your criticism’s (sic)…” We’ll add “your” to the long list of English words you cannot possibly comprehend. They were not “my” criticisms. Were you offended by the “coyote ugly” analogy? I never once mentioned your Mom by name!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It is hardly “dishonest” for me to report what liberals are saying about the president..

            The fact that liberals are saying he is not liberal enough is hardly a criticism.  In fact, it argues precisely against most of the right-wing hyperbole often exhibited by the person whose leg you keep humping, blog poodle.

            You managed to inadvertently pay Obama a compliment while complaining that he hasn’t turned out to be the fabricated socialist you have imagined.

            Other liberals may cry about his handling of the raised debt ceiling, but conservatives everywhere are giving him a raging thumbs up!

            MILLER: Obama’s grand slamRepublicans fold as U.S. continues on path toward economic disaster

            President Obama wanted three things from the debt-ceiling fight: trillions in new borrowing authority, status quo on spending and no more drama before his shot at re-election. He got everything.

            Republicans in control of the House could have refused to raise the debt ceiling, but their leaders were afraid. They believed failing to raise the debt ceiling would lead to a default and a disastrous reduction in America’s credit rating.

            So the leaders struck a final deal that will drive the nation’s debt up to $16.7 trillion, and rating agencies like Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s are poised to downgrade U.S. credit anyway.


            In November, the American people sent Tea Party conservatives to Washington to bring spending under control. These freshmen were beaten down by their leaders, who were outplayed by the president. Mr. Obama won the debt-ceiling game, and Republicans lost the season

        • Bat One

          Half of your criticism’s against Obama in this post are that he’s not liberal enough.

          Huh?  Is your mind really that primitive and sluggish?  Just because he quotes something said by someone else does NOT mean that ipso facto he believes or endorses that which he is quoting.  Good heavens, child, how often have you quoted something that either Proof or I have written in a vain attempt to argue or disprove.  Surely you’re not suggesting that by quoting that toad Maher Proof is agreeing with his (Maher’s) point of view.  A sixth grader isn’t that witless.

          • Proof

            Note the churlish troll posts two more quotes without link or attribution. If he can’t find a blog with training wheels on his own, maybe we could help him out? (I’d like to help him out! Which way did he come in?)

    • JustRuss

      The problem is, that is exactly what the Left wants and they feel like Obama isn’t far left enough….like Hillary is apparently.

      • Proof

        If Obama has reason to believe he will have opposition from the Left, it will keep him from tacking to the Center until at least after the primaries. (With the MSM helping him out with the deception.) After that, he figures any Democrat would hold their nose and vote for him over any Republican.

        But there is enough dissatisfaction on the Left that Obama shouldn’t count his chickens before they come home to roost (to paraphrase his mentor, Rev. Wright.)

      • Bat One

        Well, there’ always Dennis Kucinich!

  • brain trust

    In the end those Dronecrats will still vote for him.

  • Mountainmouth

    That is pretty sad if the Dems can say we would have been better off with Hillary –
    Either way the country would have been in trouble.So much for historical significance.
    Time to start electiong qualified people instead of tokens to fill some imaginary.
    Affirmative action does not work – never has never will

  • borborygmi

    She will come as the White Knigt riding Bill side saddle (shows she is a lady) 

    • Proof

      Just be careful if the campaign starts passing out cigars…

  • $8194357

    I couldn’t drink enough for her to look good to me…Well, maybe that one time at the pow wow…He he..

    • borborygmi

      Her reply to you would be …ditto…..

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Best summary of Obama I have read in a while:  A case study in stupid is as stupid does.
    by Bret Stephens, Wall Street Journal

    “Then there is Mr. Obama as political tactician. He makes predictions that prove
    false. He makes promises he cannot honor. He raises expectations he cannot meet.
    He reneges on commitments made in private. He surrenders positions staked in
    public. He is absent from issues in which he has a duty to be involved. He is
    overbearing when he ought to be absent. At the height of the financial panic of
    1907, Teddy Roosevelt, who had done much to bring the panic about by inveighing
    against big business, at least had the good sense to stick to his bear hunt and
    let J.P. Morgan sort things out. Not so this president, who puts a new twist on
    an old put-down: Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum total
    of financial capital. ”

    All I can add is, “Good Riddance to the Captain of Bullshit, Chalaque Obama”

    • Bat One

      The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank, a devout follower of the leftist credo, has similar complaints about Obama’s blatant lack of leadership and the incongruity of what Obama says and what he does.

      The economy crawls, the credit rating falls, the markets plunge, and a helicopter packed with U.S. special forces goes down in Afghanistan. Two thirds of Americans say the country is on the wrong track (and that was before the market swooned), Obama’s approval rating is 43 percent, and activists on his own side are calling him weak.

      Yet Obama plods along, raising gobs of cash for his reelection bid — he was scheduled to speak at two DNC fundraisers Monday night — and varying little the words he reads from the teleprompter. He seemed detached even from those words Monday as he pivoted his head from side to side, proclaiming that “our problems is not confidence in our credit” and turning his bipartisan fiscal commission into a “biparticle.”“I intend to present my own recommendations over the coming weeks,” he said.Over the coming weeks? As soon as Congress gets back?In the White House briefing room after Obama’s statement, the press corps grilled Jay Carney about the lack of fire in the belly.“The president said our problems are imminently solvable, and he talked about a renewed sense of urgency,” CBS’s Norah O’Donnell pointed out. “Why not call Congress back to work?”Carney chuckled at this suggestion.“I mean, the Dow dropped below 11,000 — where’s the sense of urgency?” O’Donnell persisted.The press secretary uttered something about the founders and the separation of powers.NBC’s Chuck Todd was not swayed. “Why not bring Congress back now?” he repeated, pointing out that “the American public seems to be in a little bit of a panic” while Washington says, “We’re going to stand back and wait until school starts.”“I think we’re getting a drumbeat here,” Carney said. “The press corps is leading here — always appreciated.”At least somebody is.Various reporters tried to elicit more information about Obama’s economic plans and deficit-reduction proposals, but Carney declined again to take the lead.“I don’t want to get too far ahead of the process,” he explained to the Wall Street Journal’s Laura Meckler, adding that Obama “will be contributing to that process, not driving it or directing it.”“Why?” inquired Politico’s Glenn Thrush. “He’s the leader of the free world. Why isn’t he leading this process?”That is the enduring mystery of Obama’s presidency. He delivered his statement on the economy beneath a portrait of Abraham Lincoln, but that was as close as he came to forceful leadership. He looked grim and swallowed hard and frequently as he mixed fatalism (“markets will rise and fall”) with vague, patriotic exhortations (“this is the United States of America”).“There will always be economic factors that we can’t control,” Obama said. Maybe. But it would be nice if the president gave it a try.

      Milbank’s criticism isn’t about policy options or direction, please note.  It’s about Obama’s refusal to even TRY to be the leader he campaigned on being and was elected to be.  The “empty suit” is proving to be every bit as empty as many of us predicted.  And those on the Left, at least some of them, are beginning to see the light.

  • mikemc1970

    Any strong challenge from the left could be good for the Republican candidate. Whether it was Shillary or Howard “psychotic scream” Dean or maybe an independent from the Green Party.

  • VocalYokel

    I still think that if Hillary makes a move toward the nomination, pressure will be put on Justice Ginsberg to resign, and Barry-O will short circuit Hillary by putting her up for the position.
    It would be difficult for Hillary to turn this down based solely on the supposition that she will get the nomination, and can win the Presidency.

    • Proof

      Hillary for SCOTUS has been bandied about. Probably the fastest way for Barry to quell that primary threat, but not enough to calm, much less energize his base.

  • Bat One

    Unlike Obama, the Clintons are politically pragmatic.  If next year’s election starts to look like a re-play of 1980, Hillary will back off, SCOTUS appointment or not, and let Obama dangle in the wind.  Being a Supreme Court Justice might be nice, but there’s very little actual, day-to-day power associated with the job, and John Roberts is gonna be Chief long after Hillary is gone.  Besides, exchanging one liberal justice, Ginsburg, for another, Hillary, doesn’t amount to much anyway.

    • Proof

      On the other hand, if her polling indicates that NO Democrat could win in 2012, she could just steer clear, wait for Obama to immolate politically and then run in 2016 if she’s still of a mind to.