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I am glad that McCain is going after Obama on this and holding him accountable for his words and actions.  Keep it up McCain.  You might win over the conservatives yet.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

McCain uloads on him, but fails to drive any meaningful point.

The flimsy relationship does not reflect on Obama’s views.  For anyone to suggest that it does, is stretching at best.  McCain himself won’t make that assertion.

Also, McCain fails to admit Coburn wants to kill abortionists if he can make abortions illegal.  What is the difference again?

I am not even sure that Aires had an intention to kill people, did he?  Neither loose associations reflect on Obama anyway.

Would Coburn have to kill himself then?

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

Also, McCain fails to admit Coburn wants to kill abortionists if he can make abortions illegal.  What is the difference again?

Thinking someone should get the death penalty is far from murdering someone.  They are not the same thing.

For anyone to suggest that it does, is stretching at best.

How many bombs did Coburn plant and how many people did he kill hannitized?  The correct answer would be zero!

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

Thinking someone should get the death penalty is far from murdering someone.

That is why I didn’t use the word MURDER.  I used the word, KILL.  If I killed you or murdered you…..would it matter to your parents which one I picked?

How many bombs did Coburn plant and how many people did he kill hannitized?  The correct answer would be zero!

I don’t think he planted bombes, but according to his own standards he murdered a few people when he performed abortions.

Otherwise, why would he want to make abortions illegal, and then kill people for performing them?

You really aren’t making much sense in your defense of Coburn here Dougee.

I don’t think he planted bombes

Is there a question as to this? 

I thinking killing someone and someone getting the death penalty are completely different things.  My parents would feel much differently if someone killed me by shooting me with a gun or slicing my throat as opposed to me getting the death penalty if I went on a murderous rampage.  You are smart enough to realize this.  One is a criminal sentence and the other is killing.

The issue is that Coburn is not an unrepentant terrorist like William Ayers is.  To claim that they are the same is complete ignorance to fact.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

Hannitized.  I understand why you might be taking this defense of Obama, but

McCain fails to admit Coburn wants to kill abortionists if he can make abortions illegal.  What is the difference again?

I agree with dougee; saying that I would support prosecuting a Doctor or a person for (killing)?  murdering a baby is far different than actually planting bombs and actually (killing ?) no murdering them.  Unless, you subscribe to the Weather Underground’s philosophy that the ends justified the means; that somehow some of these people were engaged in an illegal act, or war and they had to be (killed) murdered (without a trial or even a jury).
NO moral equivalence, not even close.  In fact, in my opinion, Dr. Coburn’s reputation has been smeared a bit in an attempt to somehow equate him with a terrorist and (murderer)?  alleged? —I don’t know.  As I stated earlier, why is it OK to sentence to death Timothy McVeigh for domestic terrorism, but not William Ayers?  Unless it is OK if you are a liberal, left wing, radical terrorist who uses linguistics to cover your philosophy.  At least Noam Chomsky had not been involved with bombing buildings and (killing) murdering people.

Communism is evil

I thinking killing someone and someone getting the death penalty are completely different things.

Because nobody dies? 

You are missing the point anyway.  Or you ignored it.  By Coburns own standards he should get the death penalty.  Either abortion is immoral because you are murdering/killing a child, or you are not.  You can’t have it both ways.  Unless you are Coburn and a Republican I guess?

The issue is that Coburn is not an unrepentant terrorist like William Ayers is.  To claim that they are the same is complete ignorance to fact.

Who did Aires kill?  Did he even kill anyone?

saying that I would support prosecuting a Doctor or a person for (killing)?  murdering a baby is far different than actually planting bombs and actually (killing ?) no murdering them.

Chief, the problem is Coburn thinks its immoral to abort babies because he thinks its a murder.  By his own standard, he is calling himself a murderer when he admits he has performed abortions, and would continue to support certain type of abortions.

Those are his words and his own standards.  You guys think you are debating with me, but it is really Coburn who put himself in this pickle.

Unless, you subscribe to the Weather Underground’s philosophy that the ends justified the means; that somehow some of these people were engaged in an illegal act, or war and they had to be (killed) murdered (without a trial or even a jury).

I hear what you are saying.  But you know that people want to murder child molesters. 

Hell, even Rob supports Ted Nugent because of his position on Guns.  Ted Nugent supports murder.  And he encourages it.  He says its because he is weird.

Now we know Rob agrees with Ted on the Gun issue.  But is it then ok to say that Rob also condones MURDER because he supports Ted Nugent?

Watch and let me know your thoughts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo&feature=related

Now, unless you are going to apply this idea to Rob, you guys are caught on hypocrisy.

As someone who had to spend several years doing port graduate work in education, what William Ayers has done since “going legit,” has been far more harmful than all the bombings and bank robberies that his Weathermen committed.

Ayers has spent the last 20 years trying to indoctrinate teachers and K-12 students into an America-hating radical ideology. Ayers is so radical that he thinks we need to take 2nd and 3rd graders and make them hate their country and want to overthrow our system of private enterprise.

I was born to a teenage mother and grew up poor. The reason I’m not poor today is because I worked hard, delayed gratification, and took responsibility for myself and my well being. I was also lucky because I happened to be born in a free and capitalist country. Frankly…that’s what every poor kid in America needs to learn to get out of poverty.

Ayers has dedicated his life to force feeding American kids with the opposite message. America is an awful place and they need to tear it down to get out of poverty. Like Rev. Wright, Ayers has been telling poor kids to eschew middle-classness and be revolutionaries, and he’s been doing it on the taxpayers dime.

Ayers is an awful human being, and the educational policies he advocates hurts those in need dispraportionately. He’s using poor school children as cannon fodder for his ongoing war war against America.

Ayers may have quit planting bombs in the 70s, but he’s done a lot of harmful things since then. And was doing those harmful things the whole time he was friends with Senator Obama.

You can’t have it both ways.  Unless you are Coburn and a Republican I guess?

Are you pro-choice or pro-life?  Cause I bet you are probably pro-choice.  In that case by your own logic you shouldn’t be arguing that Coburn should get the death penalty for performing abortions.  Can’t have it both ways.  Maybe he should get an award.

And the Supreme Court came down in favor of the death penalty last week.  Are you arguing that the Supreme Court is in favor of murder or killing or whatever you want to call it?

The point is that Coburn hasn’t killed anyone (if you are pro-choice you can’t argue that he has) and Ayers has killed innocent people and is an unrepentant terrorist.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

And the Supreme Court came down in favor of the death penalty last week.  Are you arguing that the Supreme Court is in favor of murder or killing or whatever you want to call it?

The point is that Coburn hasn’t killed anyone (if you are pro-choice you can’t argue that he has)

Ahh, again you miss the nuance Dougee.  I am a liberal, I don’t believe killing an dividing cell is a moral crime, AS DOES COBURN.  Therefore, I can not call it murder, as Coburn does.

I can call Coburn out by HIS own standards, not mine.  That is why I said “BY HIS OWN STANDARD”.

Re-read my comments again and you will see that I am being 100% consistent.

In your defense of Coburn own admitted murder, you dismiss his actions and condemn Aires, who hasn’t been proved responsible for murdering anyone.

and Ayers has killed innocent people and is an unrepentant terrorist.

Can you find a source that indicates this please?  Wiki says no such thing.

and Ayers has killed innocent people and is an unrepentant terrorist.

Can you find a source that indicates this please?  Wiki says no such thing.

I believe that Ayers founded and lead an organization that was responsible for the murder of two police officers and an armored car guard during a Brinks Truck robbery. If Ayers hadn’t launched his Weathermen on their campaign of violence, those two cops, and thr Brinks driver would likely have enjoyed much longer lives.

He made numerous attempts at murder that were unsuccessful, including trying to blow up servicemen at a USO dance.

The fact is that Ayers wanted to kill a lot of people, but fortunately he was no more skilled as a terrorist than Che Guevera was skilled as a guerilla leader (incompetent). It was his incompetence that samed lives not his conscience.

I go back to my earlier posting. What he’s done as an educator has done more damage to America than what he did as a terrorist. And he was doing that while he was associating with Obama.

The murder of those officers

Ah, the old redirection routine. When unable to defend the pathetic choices Barry has made for comrades, just throw in a Coburn or Ted Nugent red herring.

And you really need to do some research if you think abortion’s all about killing “dividing cells”, but I suppose believing that makes it easier to justify.

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

A lot of Obama’s supporters keep repeating the mantra that their candidates associations with radicals like Rev. Wright and William Ayers are a non issue.

Actually they are a huge issue.

Obama has specifically campaigned as a candidate who “transcends” normal politics. He’s said numerous times that he’s not some “wild-eyed liberal.”

But the reality is that Obama has the most left-of-center voting record in the Senate, and has associated with some very scary political extremists on the left.

And aside from that…

We know virtually nothing about what he’d be like as a leader. He’s never run a state, a county, a city, or even a convenienhce store. He seems to know almost nothing about econimics. And he’s kept his plans and many of his beliefs carefully hidden from the voters. All we have to go on is how he’s voted, what he’s written, and who he chooses to associate with.

So yes…

Ayers is a big isssue.

Wright is a big issue.

Rezco is a big issue.

Nothing significant to see here! Moveon!  Just because Obama started his state senate campaign from the home of an admitted and unpologetic terrorist is just a non issue.  And in 20 years of planting his ass in the pews Barrack *whisper* Hussein :O Obama NEVER heared anything stated by his Reverand, Jeremiah Wright,(*cough* “God Damn America” *cough*) that he might later regret bitter, frustrated, gun-clinging, god-nuts may be offended by, even though he quoted Wright preaching radical racist hate in his first book and later admitted hearing it anyway.  And you all just don’t understand the never defined “context” he made his “bitter frustrated gun-clinging god-nut” comments in.  I won’t offer any.  You must take my stunningly delusional, self-certain word that there exists some context that changes the plain meaning of plain spoke words.  Typical white people.  Pardon me, I’ve gotten all dizzy from my constant spinning.

Olbermanized: Heh.

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

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Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good—must win.

—-Ayers April 2008

I think it’s important that Obama chooses to associate with individuals who think that capitalism needs to be ended by revolution. Ayers didn’t write this in as a college kid, but as a guy trying to rehabilitate his image and help an associate during a campaign.

Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism,

What’s wrong with that statement is that ‘Captitalism’ needs to be replaced with
‘Commmunism’ or ‘fascism’.

Ayers words seem closely related to the words of Karl Marx.  If an apparent commie like Ayers is a buddy of Obama, that in itself says loads about the type of government Obama would bring to the White House.

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One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism,

What’s wrong with that statement is that ‘Captitalism’ needs to be replaced with
‘Commmunism’ or ‘fascism’.

Ayers words seem closely related to the words of Karl Marx.  If an apparent commie like Ayers is a buddy of Obama, that in itself says loads about the type of government Obama would bring to the White House.

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One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

What’s wrong with that statement is that ‘Captitalism’ needs to be replaced with
‘Commmunism’ or ‘fascism’.

How many fascist and communist nations have become very successful.  China is only growing because they have converted part of their economy to capitalism.  Your argument holds no weight.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I was familiar with the biography and educational philosophy of William Ayers way before I ever hear the name Obama.

Ayers was a terrorist, with a history of manipulating well meaning liberals into situation where they would take the backlash for his actions. During demonstrations in the 60s and 70s, Ayers’ would strategically place his people so they were hidden behind peaceful protestors as they assaulted police officers. When police officers got hurt (some severely) the Weatherman assaulters would disappear into the crowd and leave the peaceful protestors to take the wrath of the injured officers buddies.

Ayers did this just so the peaceful protestors would get their heads beaten in. Why, because he thought that police beatings would turn more anti-war activists into violent revolutionaries like himself.
Ayers has spent the last 20 years trying to manipulate the educational system the way he manipulated cops and protestors.

Rather than teaching kids the skills they need to better themselves, Ayers wants to teach them to hate America and want to tear down its government and private enterprise. Were talking about kids 6 to 18 that Ayers wants to use as cannon fodder in his ongoing war against America. He’s been doing this for the last 20 yeas, and was doing it the whole time he and Obama were friends.

I’m more worried about the fact that Obama thinks it’s OK to associate with someone who wants to use our K12 classrooms as indoctrination centers for radical politics than I am that he downplays what Ayers did 30 years ago.

Obama and his critics are arguing about the wrong moral question. The more pressing issue is not the damage done by the Weather Underground 40 years ago, but the far greater harm inflicted on the nation’s schoolchildren by the political and educational movement in which Ayers plays a leading role today.

What he can be blamed for is not acknowledging that his neighbor has a political agenda that, if successful, would make it impossible to lift academic achievement for disadvantaged children. As I have shown elsewhere in City Journal, Ayers’s politics have hardly changed since his Weatherman days. He still boasts about working full-time to bring down American capitalism and imperialism. This time, however, he does it from his tenured perch as Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago. Instead of planting bombs in public buildings, Ayers now works to indoctrinate America’s future teachers in the revolutionary cause, urging them to pass on the lessons to their public school students.

The next time Obama—the candidate who purports to be our next “education president”—discusses education on the campaign trail, it would be nice to hear what he thinks of his Hyde Park neighbor’s vision for turning the nation’s schools into left-wing indoctrination centers. Indeed, it’s an appropriate question for all the presidential candidates.

—-Sol Stern

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0423ss.html