McCain Out?

• April 30, 2006

While it is far, far too early for any serious handicapping of the 2008 Presidential race, it is not too early to note that everyone’s favorite RINO, Arizona Senator John McCain, may have already performed the fatal feat of shooting himself in the foot, without first removing it from his own mouth.
On the Don Imus radio show, McCain said the following speaking about the First Amendment and the McCain-Feingold BCFA:

He also mentioned my abridgement of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform….I know that money corrupts….I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I’d rather have the clean government.

McCain as always been a dilemma for me. As a Vietnam vet, I have a world of respect for John McCain, former POW. He is also one of our country’s most steadfast advocates on national defense and security issues. But neither, validates or excuses his huge errors in judgment or his voracious appetite for public attention and power.
By publicly reaffirming the idea that his notion of “clean government” should take precedence over the First Amendment, McCain has demonstrated quite convincingly that he is not qualified to hold the office of President.
(ht:Ed Morrisey)

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http://Array diane

If I can work around Zsa’s drooling,

Who are the REAL Republicans that toil in the vinyards,

yet are forced to drink such bitter wine? 

WOOF on April 30, 2006 at 7:51 AM They’ve mostly left, or are in the processing of leaving, the party.  Or they are trying to save the party by speaking out against some of what this administration is doing to bring the country down.
http://peatbog.net/ Sphagnum

I don’t understand why people don’t think McCain is a conservative. He may be a maverick that doesn’t pander (much) or put up with corruption, but he is most definitely not a Democrat.  He is pro-life and pro-gun.  Liberals may like the way he speaks and his honesty, but once they realize where he stands on the issues, they figure out he’s on the right.

McCain is very conservative on many issuses, which is why I would vote for him in the general election, but he betrays the Conservative movenement in several key areas, one mentioned inthis post, which move other candidates far ahead of him.

 

He’s by no means a liberal, but he’s too soft on too many key issues to be the GOP nominee. 
Bat One

"McCain has it exactly backwards.

While Fred has it exactly right.  McCain, whose preception of money in politics is at best highly suspect, would abrogate the Constitution and the guarantees detailed in the Bill of Rights, to save us from ourselves?

McCain either does not understand the very basic tenets of constitutional government, in which case he is clearly unqualified for the office he so desperately seeks.  Or he is cynically using the issue to make a name for himself in a bogus attempt at impressing the voters… in which case he is also clearly unqualified to hold the office of President.

If John McCain really doesn’t know any better, his only entry to the White Hopuse should be on a Visitor’s pass.  If he does know better, than he himself is little more than a self-aggrandizing parade horse with nothing to offer the voters but an insincere smile and his cynicism.

Either way, he’s out. 
http://mlkashinsky.com/ Marc

I don’t know what the big deal is.

It seems many have accepted the premise that our safety takes precedence over compliance with the 4th amendment, what’s wrong with clean government taking precedence over the 1st amendment?

There’s already a move afoot to limit the religious aspect of the 1st amendment, it’s not much of a stretch to try and remove more of the freedoms we have in this country.
http://peatbog.net/ Sphagnum

There are many, many "real" republicans.  You’re not gonna find someone that you agree with 100%, but there are many many members of the GOP that vote the Conservative adgenda on almost every issue.  I’m not going to start listing them, but I’ll say that there are more of them in teh House than in the Senate.
Zsa Zsa

Yes there are. It would be nice if they would act as the majority and ignore the loud mouthed leftie liberals. McCain is an advocate on the war on terror. That is a plus. He is much too liberal on illegal immigration. Although, I believe we should and could make it easier for our Mexican neighbors to become legal citizens. Legal being the key word.
Bat One

"I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights (end quote) are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I’d rather have the clean government."

And your question is…? 
http://charlesstricklin.com/ Charles Stricklin

Diane,

You say that as if the Republicans are any different or better than the Democrats.

The fuel behind the GOP’s rise burned out in 1998, and all we’ve seen for the last 8 years have been gains based on the built-up momentum. Pretty soon now, we’ll see the Dems start to win seats in Congress and likely the presidency in 2008 or 2016.

And you’ll be able to blame RINOs like McCain…
Zsa Zsa

Newt Gingrich is a real republican. But, he isn’t around anymore. Don Nichols was a real republican. (also no longer around) I am thinking Norm Coleman is as close to a real republican as I have seen in a long time.
Fred the Fourth

McCain has it exactly backwards. The whole point of the first few amendments of the Bill of Rights is to preserve the ability of the citizens to guarantee for themselves the quality of the government.
diane

Once McCain figures out which party he belongs to, we can decide if we hate him or love him.  He’s just too middle of the road.  I like my politicians to be absolute died in the wool party liners, no matter how illogical or contradictory they are on issues.  I also like them nice and rich, with a family dynasty to back them up and close ties to a country where the supposed 19 terrorists were from.   LOL

 
diane

You have a nice face, Charles.

You say that as if the Republicans are any different or better than the Democrats.

Well then I sure didn’t say it right!!!!  You must have missed where I have said over and over again that they are a two-in-one-party.  It’s just that they want us to see them differently.  Most of them are going to leave office even richer than they went in, and in the meantime, they will get the sheep of both parties to bite eachother’s heads off while the real work is going on under cup #3.  Watch the cups as they move faster than the human eye. 
robert108

The promise of safety has yet to be delivered, but the 4th amendment protections are in shambles.  None of the "bargains" you mention are anywhere near worth the cost.
http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

I will just assume it is and ask this…

 

Can we trust a government with our rights if it is not clean in the first place?

 

I fully understand the "money is speech" agument; I used to agree with it but it has a lot of holes in it.   
http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

By publicly reaffirming the idea that his notion of “clean government” should take precedence over the First Amendment…

Ummm, Is that really the way you meant to phrase that? 
Elaine

Yes, John McCain is out. He hasn’t been in  for over 20 years. The man is not quite right. He is one of the crazy uncles of the GOP. I don’t vote for him and I get no choice in his choice of party. John MCain, scum bag Allen Specter, and a handful of others make me hang my elephant head in shame. The Republican Party is ripe for a more conservative candidate or even a split in the party.
http://charlesstricklin.com/ Charles Stricklin

Why, thank you, Diane!

You’re right. I must’ve missed that. Consider everything I said as coming from a former GOP-insider turned registered independent. 
http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

Shawn,

The Campaign Finance Reform was nothing more than an Incumbant Protection Act.  Incumbants dont need an easier timne winning, challengers do. – And that doesnt even touch the 1st Amendment concerns.

I don’t mind when he’s a maverick doing his own thing.  But I do mind when he gets these so-called Gangs of 14 going and they act like 14 Senators should control the whole thing just cause they are Moderate.

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As far as labels:

A Moderate Democrat is called a Conservative Democrat.

A Liberal Republican is called a Moderate Republican.

McCain is certainly not a Liberal by the Arlen Spector scale; but he’s certainly not a Conservative.  He’s just barely Right of Center.
diane

Shawn, I think his best shot is as a stand-up comedian or a regular on Saturday Night Live.
WOOF

Who are the REAL Republicans that toil in the vinyards,

yet are forced to drink such bitter wine? 
Zsa Zsa

Woof…That was beautiful!…
diane

Why, thank you, Diane!

You’re most welcome.  You look not only intelligent but friendly and normal, which is really a rare commodity on this site.  I’m quite new here so I haven’t read anything else from you but look forward to it.  You’ll see me everywhere, and you’ll note I’m not very popular because I’m on a mission to bring some logic and honesty to the issues.  LOL

You’re right. I must’ve missed that. Consider everything I said as coming from a former GOP-insider turned registered independent. 

Like a reformed alcoholic, eh?  Tell me more!!!  (Said the former Republican to the former GOP-insider)
http://peatbog.net/ Sphagnum

McCain has been out in my book for a long time.  I’d vote for him if he were on the GOP ticket, but I’d have to swallow a lot of pride.  No way in **** I’d vote for him in the primary.
Zsa Zsa

John Cornyn real…
http://politicalcritic.com/ Shawn

I don’t understand why people don’t think McCain is a conservative. He may be a maverick that doesn’t pander (much) or put up with corruption, but he is most definitely not a Democrat.  He is pro-life and pro-gun.  Liberals may like the way he speaks and his honesty, but once they realize where he stands on the issues, they figure out he’s on the right.
Zsa Zsa

Doc…You are great! I like the way you put that. HA! Thanks I needed that.
robert108

My question here is that without Free Speech(the First Amendment), how would we know if we had clean govt?  They both seem necessary, not mutually exclusive.
WOOF

Thank you Zsa Zsa.

I really do want to know who the are real Republicans .
http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

Is that really the way you meant to phase that?
Zsa Zsa

Woof…Me too. After they backslided on soc. sec. reform I wasn’t sure anymore.

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