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I’ll just say it so H and his ilk don’t have too.

Both Hagee and Wright are pastors. Both McCain and Obama are candidates.

You’re a hypocrite Rob.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

But Hagee wasn’t McCain’s mentor.  Hagee didn’t marry McCain and his wife.  Hagee wasn’t a part of McCain’s campaign.  McCain didn’t name books after Hagee’s sermons.  McCain didn’t use Hagee as a “sounding board.” Wright and Obama were all of those things to each other, and that’s why Wright matters and Hagee doesn’t.

Man, smooth that out a little and that would be a great commercial for the general election by some 527, preceded by a couple of clips of Reverend Wrong of course…

I think Rob hates me… I mean, just look at the pic he took of me!

The problem, of course, is that while Obama has attended Wright’s church for the last two decades and has said that he could no more disown Wright than his own grandmother McCain hasn’t attended Hagee’s church in 20 years.

There is indeed a difference.  But the difference hurts McCain more than it does Obama.

McCain sought Hagee’s endorsement for political purposes.  That means either McCain knew of his positions and didn’t care because he agrees, or his judgement was so poor that he didn’t think it would hurt him, or that he wasn’t smart enough to have his people do the due diligence to check his positions.  Either way, it speaks to McCains inability to make political judgement calls.

Obama on the other hand merely has a pastor, who has said stupid things.  Shrug.

How can McCain be trusted to pick Supreme Court Nominees with this display of bad judgement?  How can he be trusted to seek out political candidates for his cabinet?  He can’t.

I don’t think the true extent of the hurt Wright has done to Obama will be known until we’re well into the general election and voters who aren’t inclined to pay attention to primary battles get serious about figuring out who Obama is, so it’s not surprising that the left would try to find an antidote for Wright in Hagee.

Every-time some non-thinking 527 pulls out Wright, a similar ad is going to fly right in the face of McCain.  And it is going to hurt McCain more as Hagee speaks to McCains decision making abilities.

How can McCain be trusted to pick Supreme Court Nominees with this display of bad judgement (sic)?

Comedy gold!
Jeremiah ”God Damn America” Wright
William “Domestic Terrorist, I stomp on your flag” Ayers
Michelle ”I’ve never been proud of America” Obama
Tony ”Crooked land deals, influence peddling” Rezco
and you think McCain shows bad judgment???
Too funny!

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Pastor “Hitler is part of God’s plan” Hagee, is sought out by McCain...ouch.

McCain want’s to benefit from his spiritual guide and pastor Rod “America was founded to destroy the false religion (Islam)” Parsley.

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a “war” against the “false religion” of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

Yup, I’d say he’s got troubles.

Wright and Obama were all of those things to each other, and that’s why Wright matters and Hagee doesn’t.

You’re exactly right about one thing, though. One of these guys matters a helluva lot.

Pastor “Hitler is part of God’s plan” Hagee, is sought out by McCain...ouch.

And McCain managed to drop him like a hot potato in LESS than 20 years! Ouch!

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McCain for over a year actively and agressively sought the endorsement of Rev. Hagee. He was so desperate to find a way into the evangelical hearts of the conservative evalgelical that he didn’t care what Hagee has said nor bothered to check out the hateful things he has said.  Knowing this he willfully sought out the endorsement and accepted the endorsement. Only when the heat in the kitchen got too hot did he throw Hagee under the bus and now Parsons too. 

One has to wonder what else he will ignore to get elected.

Only when the heat in the kitchen got too hot did he throw Hagee under the bus

And you see absolutely no parallel between that and what Obama did to his 20 year pastor, mentor and friend?

Gee! Partisan hackery must make you blind! Heh.

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And you see absolutely no parallel between that and what Obama did to his 20 year pastor, mentor and friend?

Oh so NOW you see a parallel.  Heh! 

Baby steps Proof...baby steps.

John McCain actively sought Hagee’s political endorsement. Barack Obama repeatedly denounced Jeremiah Wright.

There is no shortage of Hagee fans who have no clue about that. Hagee is a big name. Seeking him out is courting his vote. As soon as it was brought to McCain’s attention, he dropped him.

It’s beyond dishonest to claim that McCain has bad judgement with Hagee, but Obama is blameless with...well....anything.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

John McCain actively sought Hagee’s political endorsement. Barack Obama repeatedly denounced Jeremiah Wright.

There is no shortage of Hagee fans who have no clue about that. Hagee is a big name. Seeking him out is courting his vote. As soon as it was brought to McCain’s attention, he dropped him.

It’s beyond dishonest to claim that McCain has bad judgement with Hagee, but Obama is blameless with...well....anything.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

John McCain actively sought Hagee’s political endorsement. Barack Obama repeatedly denounced Jeremiah Wright.

There is no shortage of Hagee fans who have no clue about that. Hagee is a big name. Seeking him out is courting his vote. As soon as it was brought to McCain’s attention, he dropped him.

It’s beyond dishonest to claim that McCain has bad judgement with Hagee, but Obama is blameless with...well....anything.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Damnit, stupid button.

My bad guys. Rob, please delete two of the three.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Hannitized:  Actually you are right, but for the wrong reason.

The parallel is simple: both candidates have disavowed pastors. Beyond that, there is a serious fault-line in your analogy.

John McCain disavowed Rev. Hagee, a man only vaguely known to him, whose endorsement he should have never sought.

Barack Obama disavowed Rev. Wright, a man he knew intimately for 20 years, and whose participation in his campaign he initially sought.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

There is no shortage of Hagee fans who have no clue about that. Hagee is a big name. Seeking him out is courting his vote. As soon as it was brought to McCain’s attention, he dropped him.

It’s beyond dishonest to claim that McCain has bad judgement with Hagee,

That is factually wrong, and probably intentional (see lie). 

McCain has known about Hagees radical and hateful statements, as well as Parsley’s.  Hell, he even spoke publicly to condemn SOME of the statements, not all.

I have been telling you guys this for months now.  Helloooo?

Oh so NOW you see a parallel.

I see a parallel between”

Only when the heat in the kitchen got too hot did he throw Hagee under the bus

and Obama throwing Wright under the bus when the heat got to hot. However, being a thoughtful and rational person, I did NOT see a parallel between the casual political relationship of Hagee and McCain and the twenty year close personal relationship of Wright and Obama, despite the attempts of the feeble brained left to give a false equivalence to the two.

Really, Han-job! Is that lame false equivalence the best you’ve got? Sheesh!

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McCain for over a year actively and agressively sought the endorsement of Rev. Hagee. He was so desperate to find a way into the evangelical hearts of the conservative evalgelical that he didn’t care what Hagee has said nor bothered to check out the hateful things he has said.

That’s true, but it’s still not the same as Obama attending Wright’s church for 20 years and including Wright in an official capacity in his campaign.

You liberals want to give Obama a pass on Wright while simultaneously hanging Hagee around McCain’s neck.

Clearly, you’re all a bunch of dishonest hypocrites.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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“My church I attend is North Phoenix Baptist Church; my pastor and spiritual guide is Pastor Dan Yeary,” McCain said. “I’ve never been to Pastor Hagee’s church or Pastor Parsley’s church. I didn’t attend their church for 20 years. I’m not a member of their church.”

The parallel, for those of limited attention span (and you know who you are!), would be between McCain and Yeary. That relationship could fairly and honestly* be compared to Obama & Wright.

*"fairly and honestly"- you might have to look these words up. (And you know who you are, too!)

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That is factually wrong, and probably intentional (see lie). 
McCain has known about Hagees radical and hateful statements, as well as Parsley’s.  Hell, he even spoke publicly to condemn SOME of the statements, not all.
I have been telling you guys this for months now.  Helloooo?

Actually I pointed out Hagee to you, but let’s not split hairs. If McCain knew before, and denounced earlier comments, I’m unaware of it. My bad.

Regardless, agreeing to a political endorcement is not on a level of taking someone as a mentor.

You keep pretending it is. And as such have no room to question ANYONE’S honesty.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Seeking a political endorsement from someone you haven’t completely vetted is not a major error in judgment. Could be more akin to Obama’s dealing with Rezco, but I don’t know. There may be more there.

Pretending the Obama/Wright bond does not exist because it is political inconvenient, is wishful thinking at best, delusional behavior at worst.

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Another thing: The highly misleading banner headline:

McCain’s Pastor Problem

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Proof.  Exactly the point.  The liberal media, in my opinion from reading several books on the subject and noticing the mismatch between The Truth and fiction, my conclusion is that they intentionally mislead the public and create false comparisons.

Communism is evil

dishonestly implies that Hagee is McCain’s pastor.

That is only implied if you are a bit on the slow side, and your ability to comprehend what you are reading is severely hindered by your bias.  Does that sort of explain things?

John McCain sought out Pastor Hagee’s endorsement, and it ended up being a problem.  John McCain didn’t seek out an endorsement of a regular joe.  Hagee’s endorsement of McCain, that he sought out, is now a problem for John McCain.  Therefore, John McCain has a pastor problem, not a regular joe problem.

It’s really very simple fellas.

Does that sort of explain things?

I know you’re jiggy with the dishonesty, since it benefits your guy! I’ll wait here while you look up all the new words!

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I’ll wait here while you look up all the new words!

Here’s a clue: You find them in the dictionary...in alphabetical order! (That should keep him for a while! I’ll check back in the morning and see if he’s made any progress!) Heh.

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When you disingenuously juxtapose words to confuse the meaning, it’s more propaganda than journalism.

I suppose that is appropriate where it fits.....but.

John McCain sought out the pastor, because he was a pastor, who happens to be an influencing pastor over millions of Christians.

John McCain has a pastor problem, because the pastor he sought out to endorse his campaign thinks that Catholithism is a whore religion.

The pastor McCain sought out thinks Hitler was a part of Gods plan.

The pastor John McCain hoped would endorse him thinks hurricane Katrina came as a result of a gay parade that was going to be held in New Orleans.

That pastor, that McCain thought out....sure is a problem for McCain.

And you are not really the sharpest tool in the shed.

Bravo,Hannitized. Once again the conservatives refuse to admit when they have been caught with their collective hypocritical pants down. And remember, y’all. Hagee preaches this filth to a congregation of 20,000 fundamentalist washed-in-the-blood Christians every week.

Hey! Doesn’t the Republican Party call itself the “party of God”? Looks like someone fell down on the job with the background checks.

That pastor, that McCain thought out....sure is a problem for McCain.

But not one-hundredth the problem Wright is for Obama.

But not one-hundredth the problem Wright is for Obama.

In YOUR mind.  But for those folks, who think dealing with the ME is priority #1, they will determine that the fact that John McCain refused to condemn Hagees statements about Islam, AFTER, hearing about them, might be more than they can bear?

Some will simply realize that if McCain can make such bad judgment calls from a political perspective, they will not vote for him because of his naive nature.

Others, will think McCain is out to destroy Iran, so Israel can rise as the prophecy predicts and so we can convert Jews to Christianity.  When they think that, they will not vote for McCain.

Just watch how the 527s play this.  Guarans brah, guarans.

And remember, y’all. Hagee preaches this filth to a congregation of 20,000 fundamentalist washed-in-the-blood Christians every week.

Exactly.  And why didn’t these people get up and leave when he said all of these crazy things over the last 20 years?

Keep hope alive, Hannitized.

People are still talking about Wright.

Hardly anyone even knows who Hagee is.

The whole dust-up over Hagee is a DNC/MSM ploy, in an effort to squelch the anticipated and dreaded barrage of Rev. Wright/Obama spots which will be aired during the campaign.

The DNC running-dog, MoveOn.org, will sponsor absurd Hagee/McCain spots in a vain effort to establish equivelancy, where there is none. [Not unlike Hannitized’s vain efforts to do the same thing on SAB.]

Rev. Wright’s tyraids were directed at us and Americans know it!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

"Tiraids” My bad.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Hannitized: 

… and why didn’t these people get up and leave?

I dunno. But none of them are running for President of the United States, so who cares.

The critical question is, why didn’t Barack Obama get up and leave? He is running for president.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Let me pile on, PP.

It’s ‘tirades’.

Thanks, McCraken, what would I do without people like you in my life.  My excuse is… it’s after 1:00 AM here on the East Coast.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Oh ho, the ‘ol Hillary ‘its past my bedtime’ gaffe excuse.

Sorry, low blow, I know.

McCracken:

Sorry, low blow, I know.

I thought that was Monica Lowinsky’s excuse. 

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Hee!

Good one, nice parry.

As I said earlier, anyone who expects America to turn around diplomatic relations in the Mid East is going to have a hard time trying to choke down the connections McCain has with Parsley and Hagee.

Don’t click on this link if you don’t want to be informed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/05/john-mccain-rod-parsley-pastor-problem.html

The Republicans keep opening Pandora’s box....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFnumjco-Y&feature=related

What connections?  Do you actually think that candidates take individual applications from each and every donor?  This pitiful attempt at false comparison is so far afield it is laughable.  In one case, a man, his wife and family are members of a racist church.  In the other a donor to a campaign.  No equivalency at all except in the demented minds and lies of communists.

Communism is evil

What connections?  Do you actually think that candidates take individual applications from each and every donor? 

Chief,

The connections that exists are that of McCain who sought out the company of these pastors, whose political influence McCain WANTED to appeal to. 

You can not deny the video I provided where McCain is speaking about how honored he is to be in the company of an “honored leader in America and MORAL COMPASS and SPIRITUAL GUIDE”......that is about 1000% more serious than Wiliam Aires, that you guys think is so darned important.

Pastor Parsley says that we “get off on warfare” and when you combine that with the messages of Hagee, and the fact that McCain NEVER CONDEMNED the statements made by Hagee about Muslims or gays, it is very easy to conclude that these connections (that you guys want to deny) begin to speak to what McCain believes.

Either McCain is lying if he says he doesn’t believe what these guys say or is so incompetent to be seeking their company for the campaign (unlike Obama and Aires) that he doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near the white house.

Right?

No equivalency at all except in the demented minds and lies of communists.

Nobody is saying they are “equivalent”.  You can’t find one statement where I use that word.

As I said before, there are similarities, and in a lot of cases, McCains situation is worse because he want’s to appeal to these pastors voters, who believe as Parsley and Hagee do.

Now, I have said time and time again regarding Obama’s connection to Wright, “What is it that you guys think Obama is going to do when he is in office, that makes their connection so important”?  Not one of you answered. 

You didn’t answer because there is really nothing to fear.

On the other hand, when you have two pastors who are saying that we need to destroy Islam, you can see how very important it is to McCains central beliefs about how to deal with the ME.

John “I am going to be Hamas’s worst nightmare” McCain is very much telling us that he is ready for war and when you tie that into his very serious connections to these pastors you can see that he will be counting on those supporters to help him wage these wars against Islam, that they feel are so important to making the world right.

This is very serious stuff, and very scary stuff.

Anyone who dismisses this is either a Muslim hating fundamentalist or a retard.  Is that fair?

You can not deny the video I provided

McCain sought a political endorsement from someone HE DID NOT KNOW. (Kinda blows a big hole in your “parallelism”!)
(”Kinda blows”- actually describes most of your posts here Han-job!) Heh.

Obamamamajamah, on the other hand, knew this turkey Wright for TWENTY YEARS! Obama sat in his church for TWENTY YEARS! Obama considered Wright his mentor! Obama wrote a book inspired by Wright’s sermons!

Please, in your infantile, sneering, self-important style, tell me how twenty years of sitting in the pews listening to Wright spew, reading the church’s publications glorifying terrorists and racists is equal to asking someone you don’t know to support you?

Should McCain have vetted Hagee better? Yes.
Did he have twenty years to do it? What’s Obama’s excuse again? I’m sure it’s perfectly parallel! / sarcasm

Little math lesson for those who can’t leave the kiddie pool long enough to crack a book:

Obama is 47 years old. Twenty years is over 40% of his entire life.
Depending on when you calculate the beginning of his Adult life, twenty years approaches three quarters of his entire adult life. Spent listening to the racist, race-baiting, America hating Jeremiah Wright.

Now, talk to me about “equivalency”, bonehead!

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In one case, a man, his wife and family are members of a racist church.  In the other a donor to a campaign.

So are you saying Aires, doesn’t really matter then? 

And let’s not pretend that John McCain isn’t friends who belong to racists churches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFnumjco-Y&feature=related

McCain sought a political endorsement from someone HE DID NOT KNOW.

But he KNEW what he said about Muslims, and he KNEW what he said about homosexuals.

So your point has be blown out of the water here.  WHY did McCain choose to condemn specific statements that HE KNEW, and refuse to condemn others? 

A:  Because he agrees with them.  That is probably why he sought Hagee and Parsley out.  Heh.

Obamamamajamah, on the other hand, knew this turkey Wright for TWENTY YEARS! Obama sat in his church for TWENTY YEARS! Obama considered Wright his mentor! Obama wrote a book inspired by Wright’s sermons!

Yes, and as soon as Obama heard his controversial statements, he condemned every one of them.  UNLIKE McCain.

Again, you prove my point that McCains situation is far worse, and far more revealing.  Of course you can’t see it, because your bias blinds you.

Please, in your infantile, sneering, self-important style, tell me how twenty years of sitting in the pews listening to Wright spew,

You can’t prove Obama heard any of it.  On the other hand WE KNOW McCain had heard, and only chose to condemn select statements.  Wow. 

McCain is in deep sh@t here, and the apologists are coming out of the woodwork.  Hilarious.

reading the church’s publications glorifying terrorists and racists is equal to asking someone you don’t know to support you?

McCain KNEW of Hagees comments and sought out his endorsement ANYWAY. 

Yes, this is vastly different and a far lot worse for McCain. 

This is because McCain probably agrees with Hagee and Parsely.

Now, talk to me about “equivalency”, bonehead!

Well, for starters I never said they were “equivalent” sonny boy.  Re-read my comments.  I have said there are similarities, and that certainly McCain’s situation is far worse, because the position of both Hagee and Parsely can effect how McCain handles the ME problems and how he will be viewed and trusted (or not) by those he is supposed to have diplomatic relationships with.

This is a very, very, very serious issue for John McCain.  Obama on the other hand, what are you going to say, that he is going to enslave the white man?  I mean, you can’t even come up with a logical fear that relates to having known Wright.

Make no mistake about it Gilligan.  You can not see the forrest through the trees.

choke down the connections McCain has with Parsley and Hagee.

as soon as Obama heard his controversial statements,

If you believe this, then you probably still put your teeth under your pillow!

Seventy five percent of his adult life listening to a racist, race-baiting America hating pastor and you think (and I use the term advisedly) that it’s:

a) a far lot worse for McCain.

b) it was twenty years before Obama heard a “controversial statement from Wright that he needed to condemn

Maybe if Obama fails in his bid for the White House, he can star in a remake of Steve Martin’s The Jerk: The white guy who grew up in a black family without ever suspecting that he was adopted!

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The whole dust-up over Hagee is a DNC/MSM ploy, in an effort to squelch the anticipated and dreaded barrage of Rev. Wright/Obama spots which will be aired during the campaign.

Or, they will be designed to show people that McCain will suffer from his relationships with Pastors Hagee and Parsely.  Because how can he be expected not to make situations worse when he seeks out endorsements of people who want to start a war with Islam? 

Knowing what Hagee said, and not condemning the statements is vastly different from Obamas situation.

The DNC running-dog, MoveOn.org, will sponsor absurd Hagee/McCain spots in a vain effort to establish equivelancy, where there is none. [Not unlike Hannitized’s vain efforts to do the same thing on SAB.]

Bury your head in the sand all you want Pparets, it won’t be people like you who will be targeted.

It will be the people who actually care to make the situations in the ME better, not worse. 

You can’t even give me credit for making a good point.  That is unlike you.

Rev. Wright’s tyraids were directed at us and Americans know it!

Perhaps.  And?  What is the fear from Obama knowing Wright?  None of you can explain a logical one.  Instead, you guys are reduced to playing the race card.  Pathetic.

You can’t prove Obama heard any of it.

Infantile, mindless AND puerile! A trifecta from Little Orphan Hannie!

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Notice how Proof ignores the concern surrounding McCain’s effectiveness in the ME due to his suspicious ties to anti-Islam pastors that he sought out for both moral guidance and for political gain.

McCain wants those who quietly call for a war on Islam on his side.  Like that of Proof and Nieman, Beardsley and probably a host of others on SAB.

The more the DNC hits McCain on this subject the farther the anti-Islamic people will be revealed by their silence to condemn those statements made by Hagee and Parsley.

Heh!

Keep making non-sensical statements like that of “The Jerk” Proof, it shows how badly you are losing the argument.

Hannitized:  It wasn’t possible to give you credit where credit might have been due, because of this disappointng and absurd comment:

This is because McCain probably agrees with Hagee and Parsely.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Infantile, mindless AND puerile! A trifecta from Little Orphan Hannie!

Ok, then prove me wrong Indignant Gilligan.  I can show you that McCain KNEW of Hagees statements before McCain sought out his endorsement.

Can you prove Obama heard any of the controversial statements we have been blasted with by Fox?  No.

Therefore, you are only left with ad hominem.  I think it’s safe to say that you lose at this point Gilligan.

This is because McCain probably agrees with Hagee and Parsely.

Is it not a logical consideration?

Why don’t you help explain away why McCain refused to condemn the controversial statements made about Muslims and gays, but selectively picked the controversial statement against Catholicism to condemn?

Why don’t you help explain away why McCain has ties to two pastors who think a war with Islam is needed to fulfill the prophecy predicted by both pastors?

I will be patiently awaiting your logical arguments that give me reason to have suspicion of McCain.

Either way, if you give me credit or not.  Surely you can admit it is going to be a very big issue for McCain.  No?

Can you prove Obama heard any of the controversial statements

Can you prove he didn’t? Flip side of the same lame argument. Lame is your trademark, right Hannie?

Try using Occam’s razor, rather than Occam’s safety scissors and your logic might surpass the puerile pap you produce and post profusely.

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Surely you can admit it is going to be a very big issue for McCain.  No?

No. It won’t be.
I doubt that it will rise even to “tempest in a teapot” standards!

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Can you prove he didn’t? Flip side of the same lame argument. Lame is your trademark, right Hannie?

Ok then, prove McCain didn’t cheat on his wife with that woman the NYT was talking about.

Prove that McCain didn’t have a secret pact with Bush to carry on with his agenda.

I mean, we can go all day with this sort of nonsense that you have introduced Gilligan.

I would rather that we behave as adults, and make logical conclusions based on facts.

You on the other hand want to ignore all facts, and instead cling to fantasy and expect others to argue you on it.

You are not a very impressive thinker Gilligan.  But we knew that, didn’t we?

Notice how Proof and the SAB audience ignores the concern surrounding McCain’s effectiveness in the ME due to his suspicious ties to anti-Islam pastors that he sought out for both moral guidance and for political gain.

McCain wants those who quietly call for a war on Islam on his side.  Like that of Proof and Nieman, Beardsley and probably a host of others on SAB.

The more the DNC hits McCain on this subject the farther the anti-Islamic people will be revealed by their silence to condemn those statements made by Hagee and Parsley.

Heh!

Keep making non-sensical statements like that of “The Jerk” Proof, it shows how badly you are losing the argument.

Keep making non-sensical (sic) statements like that of “The Jerk” Proof, it shows how badly you are losing the argument.

Keep showing one and all what a humorless drone you are, Han-job.
And remember, they’re not laughing with you! Heh.

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And then I eat their lunch.

Ok then, prove McCain didn’t cheat on his wife with that woman the NYT was talking about.

The Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool is babbling again! He once stumbled over a fact, but managed to pick himself up and go on as if he hadn’t!

Han-job is immune to logic and reason. Must have gotten some new talking points in from somewhere that didn’t come with instructions. Go play in the surf, child.
Come back when you’ve learned to reason!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Hey Gilligan,

Where is the spelling bee champ?  I am waiting for you to get completely get distressed with you lack of argument to the point where all you have as ammunition is lectures on how to use apostrophes.

Where is your argument that explains away why McCain should be trusted to do well in dealing diplomatically with the ME, considering what we now know of his multiple ties to radicals who think we should start a war with Islam?

Again,

Notice how Proof and the SAB audience ignores the concern surrounding McCain’s effectiveness in the ME due to his suspicious ties to anti-Islam pastors that he sought out for both moral guidance and for political gain.

McCain wants those who quietly call for a war on Islam on his side.  Like that of Proof and Nieman, Beardsley and probably a host of others on SAB.

The more the DNC hits McCain on this subject the farther the anti-Islamic people will be revealed by their silence to condemn those statements made by Hagee and Parsley.

Heh!

They have got nothing folks.  Keep hammering this point.

Little Orphan Hannie is going to ask me to prove or disprove black helicopters next.
Here’s one Hannie: Prove to me you have a brain. I see no evidence so far.
Feel free to use lame references to sixties sitcoms if necessary. You couldn’t possibly do worse than you are now!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Keep making non-sensical statements like that of “The Jerk” Proof, it shows how badly you are losing the argument.

It wasn’t that long ago, in a similar thread, that Hannitized stoop to lying, so that he could use a lame bit of dialogue from a puppet movie! So, you were losing the argument then, Han-job?

I know you like to make infantile arguments. The fact that this infantile argument is from a puppet movie does not relieve you of the obligation to link to the statement you accused me of making.
And where is the link, oh, liar, sir? You demanded a link from Kenny. I demand one from you. Put up or shut up, Han-job!

Hannitized never responded. Typical. Heh.

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

See you in November Pedro…

Or should I have said Jorge?

http://www.celebritywonder.com/movie/2006_Employee_of_the_Month.html

Hannitized never responded. Typical.

And when confronted or reminded he runs away. That’s why, if you Googled “whiny, little bitch” Hannitized was always towards the top of the list!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

We had nearly this same identical argument back in April: Obama Suddenly Outraged By Wright, Says His Pastor’s “Rants” Show Disrespect For Americans
Go and see the quality of Hannitized’s puerile rants has not improved. He neither learns from his mistakes or from facts presented to him. He is a poster child for a fingers-in-the-ears, know nothing, mewling infant.

Frank observations to follow!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

H, Seems to pride himself on his ability to make a distincition without a difference, but when the difference couldn’t be more plain, he conveniently ignores it. 

H, Surely if you are going to say McCain/Hagee is the same or worse than Obama/Wright and therefore condemn McCain, you cannot do so without condemning Obama, or does that logic escape you?

Hannitized:  Interesting question on the potential damage to McCain’s credibility in the Middle East.
However, I don’t think John McCain plans to sit down for unconditional talks with Ahmadinijahn or Assad any time soon.

On any number of occasions, the Senator from Arizona has said that Bush erred by not using a far more massive invasion force in Iraq, and has said the U.S. must stay in the ME until the region is stabilized.  [the famous “100 years” comment which Obama tried to spin into “war for 100 years”.]

That’s probably the kind of credibility which the Mullahs understand best.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I have tried to get my mind into as small a space as Hannitized’s, but I still can’t understand why he assumes that McCain, who has not sat in Hagee’s congregation for as much as twenty minutes , should be aware of every thing Hagee has said, but Obama, who sat in Wright’s congregation for twenty years should not be aware of any thing Wright has said!
People in comas are more aware of their surroundings than Obama! Heh.

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Proof:

People in comas are more aware of their surroundings than Obama!

Hahahaha!  OMG… Best line ever!!!  Hahahahaha

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Interesting question on the potential damage to McCain’s credibility in the Middle East.

However, I don’t think John McCain plans to sit down for unconditional talks with Ahmadinijahn or Assad any time soon.

Thanks pparets, at least you have the intellectual honesty to recognize an argument. 

The common misperception is that Obama would sit down with Ahmadinijad himself.  Obama said leaders.  There are leaders in Iran that have a lot more power than Ahmadinijad and if you start having diplomatic relations with Iran you at least have a chance to have Iranians vote Ahmadinijad out of office.  Putting the right kind of incentives on the table can help with this.

In fact, I would wager that Ahmadinijad will be voted out of office in two years anyway.  All of this focus on him is right-wing hyberbole and obsession.  Bush sent letters straight to Kim Jung il.  He is negotiating with him now.

What we have seen from Bush in the last eight years is a miserable failure in dealing with the ME.  McCains continuance of Bush policy is a disaster waiting to happen.

Our message to Iran is; “Stop making nuclear weapons or we will attack you.  Then we are going to replace your government” It’s madness and a sheer disaster waiting to happen, IMO.