But Hagee wasn’t McCain’s mentor. Hagee didn’t marry McCain and his wife. Hagee wasn’t a part of McCain’s campaign. McCain didn’t name books after Hagee’s sermons. McCain didn’t use Hagee as a “sounding board.” Wright and Obama were all of those things to each other, and that’s why Wright matters and Hagee doesn’t.

Man, smooth that out a little and that would be a great commercial for the general election by some 527, preceded by a couple of clips of Reverend Wrong of course…

Let me pile on, PP.

It’s ‘tirades’.

What connections? Do you actually think that candidates take individual applications from each and every donor? This pitiful attempt at false comparison is so far afield it is laughable. In one case, a man, his wife and family are members of a racist church. In the other a donor to a campaign. No equivalency at all except in the demented minds and lies of communists.

Bravo,Hannitized. Once again the conservatives refuse to admit when they have been caught with their collective hypocritical pants down. And remember, y’all. Hagee preaches this filth to a congregation of 20,000 fundamentalist washed-in-the-blood Christians every week.

dishonestly implies that Hagee is McCain’s pastor.

That is only implied if you are a bit on the slow side, and your ability to comprehend what you are reading is severely hindered by your bias. Does that sort of explain things?

Surely you can admit it is going to be a very big issue for McCain. No?

No. It won’t be.
I doubt that it will rise even to “tempest in a teapot” standards!

Little Orphan Hannie is going to ask me to prove or disprove black helicopters next.
Here’s one Hannie: Prove to me you have a brain. I see no evidence so far.
Feel free to use lame references to sixties sitcoms if necessary. You couldn’t possibly do worse than you are now!

Another thing: The highly misleading banner headline:

McCain’s Pastor Problem

dishonestly implies that Hagee is McCain’s pastor.

Thanks, McCraken, what would I do without people like you in my life. My excuse is… it’s after 1:00 AM here on the East Coast.

I have tried to get my mind into as small a space as Hannitized’s, but I still can’t understand why he assumes that McCain, who has not sat in Hagee’s congregation for as much as twenty minutes , should be aware of every thing Hagee has said, but Obama, who sat in Wright’s congregation for twenty years should not be aware of any thing Wright has said!
People in comas are more aware of their surroundings than Obama! Heh.

We had nearly this same identical argument back in April: Obama Suddenly Outraged By Wright, Says His Pastor’s “Rants” Show Disrespect For Americans
Go and see the quality of Hannitized’s puerile rants has not improved. He neither learns from his mistakes or from facts presented to him. He is a poster child for a fingers-in-the-ears, know nothing, mewling infant.

Frank observations to follow!

Does that sort of explain things?

Your babbling? Not by a long shot! Send over someone who comprehends simple English (although I will admit you have the simple part down pat!)
English can be ambiguous. When you disingenuously juxtapose words to confuse the meaning, it’s more propaganda than journalism.

I know you’re jiggy with the dishonesty, since it benefits your guy! I’ll wait here while you look up all the new words!

Pastor “Hitler is part of God’s plan” Hagee, is sought out by McCain…ouch.

And McCain managed to drop him like a hot potato in LESS than 20 years! Ouch!

choke down the connections McCain has with Parsley and Hagee.

Choke. Nice choice of words. (Go with what you’re good at!) Heh.

as soon as Obama heard his controversial statements,

If you believe this, then you probably still put your teeth under your pillow!

Seventy five percent of his adult life listening to a racist, race-baiting America hating pastor and you think (and I use the term advisedly) that it’s:

a) a far lot worse for McCain.

and

b) it was twenty years before Obama heard a “controversial statement from Wright that he needed to condemn

Maybe if Obama fails in his bid for the White House, he can star in a remake of Steve Martin’s The Jerk: The white guy who grew up in a black family without ever suspecting that he was adopted!

Can you prove Obama heard any of the controversial statements

Can you prove he didn’t? Flip side of the same lame argument. Lame is your trademark, right Hannie?

Try using Occam’s razor, rather than Occam’s safety scissors and your logic might surpass the puerile pap you produce and post profusely.

No equivalency at all except in the demented minds and lies of communists.

Nobody is saying they are “equivalent”. You can’t find one statement where I use that word.

As I said before, there are similarities, and in a lot of cases, McCains situation is worse because he want’s to appeal to these pastors voters, who believe as Parsley and Hagee do.

Now, I have said time and time again regarding Obama’s connection to Wright, “What is it that you guys think Obama is going to do when he is in office, that makes their connection so important”? Not one of you answered.

You didn’t answer because there is really nothing to fear.

On the other hand, when you have two pastors who are saying that we need to destroy Islam, you can see how very important it is to McCains central beliefs about how to deal with the ME.

John “I am going to be Hamas’s worst nightmare” McCain is very much telling us that he is ready for war and when you tie that into his very serious connections to these pastors you can see that he will be counting on those supporters to help him wage these wars against Islam, that they feel are so important to making the world right.

This is very serious stuff, and very scary stuff.

Anyone who dismisses this is either a Muslim hating fundamentalist or a retard. Is that fair?

Seeking a political endorsement from someone you haven’t completely vetted is not a major error in judgment. Could be more akin to Obama’s dealing with Rezco, but I don’t know. There may be more there.

Pretending the Obama/Wright bond does not exist because it is political inconvenient, is wishful thinking at best, delusional behavior at worst.

Hee!

Good one, nice parry.

Infantile, mindless AND puerile! A trifecta from Little Orphan Hannie!

Ok, then prove me wrong Indignant Gilligan. I can show you that McCain KNEW of Hagees statements before McCain sought out his endorsement.

Can you prove Obama heard any of the controversial statements we have been blasted with by Fox? No.

Therefore, you are only left with ad hominem. I think it’s safe to say that you lose at this point Gilligan.

And remember, y’all. Hagee preaches this filth to a congregation of 20,000 fundamentalist washed-in-the-blood Christians every week.

Exactly. And why didn’t these people get up and leave when he said all of these crazy things over the last 20 years?

The whole dust-up over Hagee is a DNC/MSM ploy, in an effort to squelch the anticipated and dreaded barrage of Rev. Wright/Obama spots which will be aired during the campaign.

Or, they will be designed to show people that McCain will suffer from his relationships with Pastors Hagee and Parsely. Because how can he be expected not to make situations worse when he seeks out endorsements of people who want to start a war with Islam?

Knowing what Hagee said, and not condemning the statements is vastly different from Obamas situation.

The DNC running-dog, MoveOn.org, will sponsor absurd Hagee/McCain spots in a vain effort to establish equivelancy, where there is none. [Not unlike Hannitized's vain efforts to do the same thing on SAB.]

Bury your head in the sand all you want Pparets, it won’t be people like you who will be targeted.

It will be the people who actually care to make the situations in the ME better, not worse.

You can’t even give me credit for making a good point. That is unlike you.

Rev. Wright’s tyraids were directed at us and Americans know it!

Perhaps. And? What is the fear from Obama knowing Wright? None of you can explain a logical one. Instead, you guys are reduced to playing the race card. Pathetic.

Hey Gilligan,

Where is the spelling bee champ? I am waiting for you to get completely get distressed with you lack of argument to the point where all you have as ammunition is lectures on how to use apostrophes.

Where is your argument that explains away why McCain should be trusted to do well in dealing diplomatically with the ME, considering what we now know of his multiple ties to radicals who think we should start a war with Islam?

Can you prove he didn’t? Flip side of the same lame argument. Lame is your trademark, right Hannie?

Ok then, prove McCain didn’t cheat on his wife with that woman the NYT was talking about.

Prove that McCain didn’t have a secret pact with Bush to carry on with his agenda.

I mean, we can go all day with this sort of nonsense that you have introduced Gilligan.

I would rather that we behave as adults, and make logical conclusions based on facts.

You on the other hand want to ignore all facts, and instead cling to fantasy and expect others to argue you on it.

You are not a very impressive thinker Gilligan. But we knew that, didn’t we?

In one case, a man, his wife and family are members of a racist church. In the other a donor to a campaign.

So are you saying Aires, doesn’t really matter then?

And let’s not pretend that John McCain isn’t friends who belong to racists churches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFnumjco-Y&feature=related

Notice how Proof ignores the concern surrounding McCain’s effectiveness in the ME due to his suspicious ties to anti-Islam pastors that he sought out for both moral guidance and for political gain.

McCain wants those who quietly call for a war on Islam on his side. Like that of Proof and Nieman, Beardsley and probably a host of others on SAB.

The more the DNC hits McCain on this subject the farther the anti-Islamic people will be revealed by their silence to condemn those statements made by Hagee and Parsley.

Heh!

Keep making non-sensical statements like that of “The Jerk” Proof, it shows how badly you are losing the argument.

Notice how Proof and the SAB audience ignores the concern surrounding McCain’s effectiveness in the ME due to his suspicious ties to anti-Islam pastors that he sought out for both moral guidance and for political gain.

McCain wants those who quietly call for a war on Islam on his side. Like that of Proof and Nieman, Beardsley and probably a host of others on SAB.

The more the DNC hits McCain on this subject the farther the anti-Islamic people will be revealed by their silence to condemn those statements made by Hagee and Parsley.

Heh!

Keep making non-sensical statements like that of “The Jerk” Proof, it shows how badly you are losing the argument.

Interesting question on the potential damage to McCain’s credibility in the Middle East.

However, I don’t think John McCain plans to sit down for unconditional talks with Ahmadinijahn or Assad any time soon.

Thanks pparets, at least you have the intellectual honesty to recognize an argument.

The common misperception is that Obama would sit down with Ahmadinijad himself. Obama said leaders. There are leaders in Iran that have a lot more power than Ahmadinijad and if you start having diplomatic relations with Iran you at least have a chance to have Iranians vote Ahmadinijad out of office. Putting the right kind of incentives on the table can help with this.

In fact, I would wager that Ahmadinijad will be voted out of office in two years anyway. All of this focus on him is right-wing hyberbole and obsession. Bush sent letters straight to Kim Jung il. He is negotiating with him now.

What we have seen from Bush in the last eight years is a miserable failure in dealing with the ME. McCains continuance of Bush policy is a disaster waiting to happen.

Our message to Iran is; “Stop making nuclear weapons or we will attack you. Then we are going to replace your government” It’s madness and a sheer disaster waiting to happen, IMO.

Hannitized: Interesting question on the potential damage to McCain’s credibility in the Middle East.
However, I don’t think John McCain plans to sit down for unconditional talks with Ahmadinijahn or Assad any time soon.

On any number of occasions, the Senator from Arizona has said that Bush erred by not using a far more massive invasion force in Iraq, and has said the U.S. must stay in the ME until the region is stabilized. [the famous "100 years" comment which Obama tried to spin into "war for 100 years".]

That’s probably the kind of credibility which the Mullahs understand best.

John McCain actively sought Hagee’s political endorsement. Barack Obama repeatedly denounced Jeremiah Wright.

There is no shortage of Hagee fans who have no clue about that. Hagee is a big name. Seeking him out is courting his vote. As soon as it was brought to McCain’s attention, he dropped him.

It’s beyond dishonest to claim that McCain has bad judgement with Hagee, but Obama is blameless with…well….anything.

Hannitized:

… and why didn’t these people get up and leave?

I dunno. But none of them are running for President of the United States, so who cares.

The critical question is, why didn’t Barack Obama get up and leave? He is running for president.

John McCain actively sought Hagee’s political endorsement. Barack Obama repeatedly denounced Jeremiah Wright.

There is no shortage of Hagee fans who have no clue about that. Hagee is a big name. Seeking him out is courting his vote. As soon as it was brought to McCain’s attention, he dropped him.

It’s beyond dishonest to claim that McCain has bad judgement with Hagee, but Obama is blameless with…well….anything.

Proof:

People in comas are more aware of their surroundings than Obama!

Hahahaha! OMG… Best line ever!!! Hahahahaha

McCain sought a political endorsement from someone HE DID NOT KNOW.

But he KNEW what he said about Muslims, and he KNEW what he said about homosexuals.

So your point has be blown out of the water here. WHY did McCain choose to condemn specific statements that HE KNEW, and refuse to condemn others?

A: Because he agrees with them. That is probably why he sought Hagee and Parsley out. Heh.

Obamamamajamah, on the other hand, knew this turkey Wright for TWENTY YEARS! Obama sat in his church for TWENTY YEARS! Obama considered Wright his mentor! Obama wrote a book inspired by Wright’s sermons!

Yes, and as soon as Obama heard his controversial statements, he condemned every one of them. UNLIKE McCain.

Again, you prove my point that McCains situation is far worse, and far more revealing. Of course you can’t see it, because your bias blinds you.

Please, in your infantile, sneering, self-important style, tell me how twenty years of sitting in the pews listening to Wright spew,

You can’t prove Obama heard any of it. On the other hand WE KNOW McCain had heard, and only chose to condemn select statements. Wow.

McCain is in deep sh@t here, and the apologists are coming out of the woodwork. Hilarious.

reading the church’s publications glorifying terrorists and racists is equal to asking someone you don’t know to support you?

McCain KNEW of Hagees comments and sought out his endorsement ANYWAY.

Yes, this is vastly different and a far lot worse for McCain.

This is because McCain probably agrees with Hagee and Parsely.

Now, talk to me about “equivalency”, bonehead!

Well, for starters I never said they were “equivalent” sonny boy. Re-read my comments. I have said there are similarities, and that certainly McCain’s situation is far worse, because the position of both Hagee and Parsely can effect how McCain handles the ME problems and how he will be viewed and trusted (or not) by those he is supposed to have diplomatic relationships with.

This is a very, very, very serious issue for John McCain. Obama on the other hand, what are you going to say, that he is going to enslave the white man? I mean, you can’t even come up with a logical fear that relates to having known Wright.

Make no mistake about it Gilligan. You can not see the forrest through the trees.

As I said earlier, anyone who expects America to turn around diplomatic relations in the Mid East is going to have a hard time trying to choke down the connections McCain has with Parsley and Hagee.

Don’t click on this link if you don’t want to be informed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/05/john-mccain-rod-parsley-pastor-problem.html

And you see absolutely no parallel between that and what Obama did to his 20 year pastor, mentor and friend?

Oh so NOW you see a parallel. Heh!

Baby steps Proof…baby steps.

The Republicans keep opening Pandora’s box….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFnumjco-Y&feature=related

You can’t prove Obama heard any of it.

Infantile, mindless AND puerile! A trifecta from Little Orphan Hannie!

Hey! Doesn’t the Republican Party call itself the “party of God”? Looks like someone fell down on the job with the background checks.