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Wednesday, April 23, 2008


McCain Condemns North Carolina GOP Ad Using Footage Of Obama’s Pastor

Here’s the ad:

I, frankly, don’t see anything wrong with it but apparently McCain does:

I asked the campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., what they made of the ad.

“John McCain strongly rejects this ad and the type of politics that degrades our civics,” spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker immediately responded. “From the beginning of this process McCain has expressed his intent to run a respectful campaign based on the issues, and we have repeatedly called for all parties to follow his lead.”

Within a few hours, McCain had written a letter to the chair of the North Carolina GOP, Linda Daves, saying, “From the beginning of this election, I have been committed to running a respectful campaign based upon an honest debate about the great issues confronting America today. I expect all state parties to do so as well. The television advertisement you are planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have with the Democrats. In the strongest terms, I implore you to not run this advertisement.”

I don’t see what’s so disrespectful about the ad.  It plays actual, unmodified footage of Barack Obama’s spiritual leader of 20 years while stating that Obama sat in a pew and listened to him for 20 years.  Something that is a fact.

It is perfectly valid and within the bounds of respectful politics to judge people based on who they choose to associate themselves with.  I’m not sure why McCain feels he needed to condemn this.

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Comments

Maybe it is because John McCain has more integrity than many in the Republican Party. In the past he has been reviled as not being a “true” Conservative because of some of his views. The footage from the add has run ad nauseum over the airwaves for several months now and I (and probably a lot of Americans on both sides of the aisle) are tired of it. I don’t think that the statemen who plan to run it are going to gain any advantage with it. Intelligent voters will see it for what it is: An attempt to divide voters who embrace Obama’s candidacy.

ollie-B on April 23, 2008 at 07:54 pm

Mc makes nice , he’s a nice guy.

WOOF on April 23, 2008 at 07:54 pm

Maybe it is because John McCain has more integrity than many in the Republican Party. In the past he has been reviled as not being a “true” Conservative because of some of his views. The footage from the add has run ad-nauseum over the airwaves for several months now and I (and probably a lot of Americans on both sides of the aisle) am tired of it. I don’t think that the statesmen who plan to run it are going to gain any advantage with it. Intelligent voters will see it for what it is: An attempt to divide voters who embrace Obama’s candidacy.

ollie-B on April 23, 2008 at 08:01 pm

Intelligent voters will see it for what it is: An attempt to divide voters who embrace Obama’s candidacy.

W,

Your analysis is mistaken.  The point isn’t to “divide voters who embrace Obama” but to remind the large majority of voters who have NOT embraced Obama’s candidacy of some rather serious questions about Obama’s character, and those core beliefs that Obama seems increasingly unwilling to share with the public.

Furthermore, the more frequently the ad is shown, the more McCain’s objection to the ad, and his insistence on a campaign based solely on issues will appeal to independent and moderate voters who tire of shrill partisanship and attack politics.

McCain has wisely chosen the high ground and the ideological middle.  He can easily afford to leave the far left to Obama and his MoveOn.org progressive Democrat supporters.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on April 23, 2008 at 08:10 pm

Look at his A team.

Good cop bad cop in full effect.


Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele


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realitybasedbob on April 23, 2008 at 08:11 pm

Admittedly McCain’s record of public service is a long one… certainly far more so than that of his presumed, rookie opponent.  But if you check that record carefully… all of it… I doubt very much that you’ll find a “God Damn America!” anywhere among any of McCain’s past associations.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on April 23, 2008 at 08:28 pm
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In the past he has been reviled as not being a “true” Conservative because of some of his views. The footage from the add has run ad nauseum over the airwaves for several months now and I (and probably a lot of Americans on both sides of the aisle) are tired of it.

Amen.  An honest answer from someone who can, at the same time, pay a compliment to McCain.  It says a lot about you W.

I agree 100% by the way.

but to remind the large majority of voters who have NOT embraced Obama’s candidacy of some rather serious questions about Obama’s character, and those core beliefs that Obama seems increasingly unwilling to share with the public.

Bat,

This is a pretty thin reed you have hung your hat upon.  The “we really know what Obama thinks” meme is the sort of argument those who wear tin-foil hats like to make.

It is easy to oppose someone when the major complaint you have against them is your imagination.

It’s impossible to debate with someone like that, and impossible to convince you otherwise.

There are a lot of open minded people in the world who can see beyond the arguments you offer.  They see for themselves his responses to the accusations and how he handles them.  This speaks volumes to his ability to lead and manage the type of spin we see from people in the Mid East.

Whereas in the Bush administration, we just get the spin game in reverse.  It gets us no-where.

Hannitized on April 23, 2008 at 08:29 pm
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So to reiterate, how do you get the American public to support military ambitions against the terrorists and the ME who will spin in order to make their case?  You throw a guy who can speak directly and honestly at them and they are left with nothing but their own shallowness.

You guys probably wouldn’t understand that.  And I think it is why you oppose Obama, you don’t wan the Dems to have someone that powerful.

Hannitized on April 23, 2008 at 10:02 pm

The “we really know what Obama thinks” meme is the sort of argument those who wear tin-foil hats like to make.

Read my comment again, H.  Carefully thhis time.  I did not say “we know what Obama really thinks.”  Just the opposite!  What I said was that we do not know.  There is little point in engaging in a serious debate, someone like you whose habit it is to willfully mis-state your opponents arguments simply to make your own point. In the first place, its dishonest, and I would hope, however dimly, that you would know this.  Second, your arguments are often far more self-serving than they are fact-based or to the point.

This speaks volumes to his ability to lead and manage the type of spin we see from people in the Mid East.

Even from you, H, this is unusually optimistic assessment of Obama’s untested abilities.  Barack Obama, by all accounts has never managed anything or anyone substantial.  By his own account, he couldn’t manage to get local church leaders to attend meetings he called when he was a “community organizer” ... whatever that is.

Its one thing to devoutly support the candidate of your choice, however ill-advised that choice might be.  Its something else again, however, to slather that candidate in a murky marinade messianism.

You like the way he speaks, teleprompter and all… great!  But you’ve practically got the kid saving the world from the very same evils your side has spent the past 7 years denying.  And he’s still not even a third of the way through his first term in any sort of national office.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on April 23, 2008 at 10:36 pm

And I think it is why you oppose Obama, you don’t wan the Dems to have someone that powerful.

Yeah, that’s got to be it.  It can’t be because we don’t agree with Obama on political issues or the fact that he is the most liberal member of the Senate and a lot of republicans are conservative.  Oh no, it has to be because we don’t want a powerful democrat.  I agree that I don’t want a democrat in the white house.  It would ruin this country in more ways than one.



Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

dougee on April 23, 2008 at 11:37 pm

Actually, RBB’s snide little witticism may not be far off the mark.

My understanding is that the NC GOP is going to run the ad anyway, as will future 527’s.

John McCain can stand the high ground, while others take the low road.

Recent polls are showing growing numbers of voters who rank John McCain’s character and principles as his most appealing traits when compared to the other two Dem hucksters.


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on April 24, 2008 at 12:55 am

You guys probably wouldn’t understand that.  And I think it is why you oppose Obama, you don’t wan the Dems to have someone that powerful.

This is why BO has never won in a state that matters to Democrats, minus Illinois (which would vote for Ronald Reagan if he came back to life and ran as a Dem.)

http://www.diversityj.com/ElectoralVoteStates.html

Clinton has always led in Democratically led and Swing states. Barack has a series of massive wins in Red states that he cannot possibly win in the primary.

If we count just swing (which are more important), Hillary beats Obama’s 2 states with her 8. His 20 count is irrelevant compared to her 80 count. In traditionall blue states, Obama picks up only 86 votes. Clinton tops that by winning California and New York alone.

When put into the context of reality, Obama seems pretty screwed.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on April 24, 2008 at 01:24 am
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Yeah, that’s got to be it.  It can’t be because we don’t agree with Obama on political issues or the fact that he is the most liberal member of the Senate and a lot of republicans are conservative

By the way dougee (i mean Olbermanized) where are the posts about him being the most liberal member of the Senate?  Where are the 15 posts about disagreeing with his political issues?

All I see are hit pieces on why he didn’t answer questions while eating a waffle.  Or, why does the guy next to him say such stupid things.  Or why does Obama make sentences that sound sort of offensive.

You almost made a valid argument, but that bone had no beef on it son.

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 02:34 am
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What I said was that we do not know.

OK, I guess I got it wrong?

So how do we know McCain is a person who thinks Katrina occurred because of the gay parade was scheduled to occur?

How do we know that McCain isn’t the type of guy to have an affair with a lobbyist?

How do we know that McCain isn’t really an anti-American who wants to turn this country into a Mexican nation?

All of these things we do not know of McCain is sort of scary.  Don’t you think?

After all, the above questions are all something that people have just as much right to question as they do Obama.  Or are you going to tell me it is different in McCains situation?

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 02:42 am
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This is why BO has never won in a state that matters to Democrats, minus Illinois (which would vote for Ronald Reagan if he came back to life and ran as a Dem.)

Good point Kenny. 

I doubt that the Dems will bail out on Obama if Hillary looses in the larger blue states.  And if the Republican base turns out in the shallow numbers they did in the primaries in the red states, I would say its up for grabs.

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 02:46 am
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Oh no, it has to be because we don’t want a powerful democrat.  I agree that I don’t want a democrat in the white house.  It would ruin this country in more ways than one.

In more ways than you can articulate apparently, Dougee.  All we get from you is generic emotional crap.  Where is your logical argument?

“Obama would ruin this country, hes just like Jimmy carter…..because we feel that is the truth.”

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 02:52 am
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McCain’s reasoning for trying to seem magnanimous and “above it all” here is obvious.

He has more than a few scary things in his past (with possible video to prve it) and by coming out against this Obama ad here, he can later say, “hey, when they tried to ‘swiftboat’ you I came to your defense.  Now you are swiftboating me???!!!”.

In other words, he is storing up some goodwill for the general.

It’s quite smart actually since the ad is now “controversial”, it is SURE to go viral on the web.  People can’t resist anything that is “forbidden”.

Bill Mitchell on April 24, 2008 at 04:10 am
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I don’t mean to be desperate and impugn people’s reputations randomly.  I would never accuse someone like oh, I don’t know, “dougee” of something I have absolutely no way of proving. Only republicans wear “tin foil hats”! I am superior!  I am open minded!  I think first!  It isn’t like Obama heard wright say this racist smut!  What, you think he’s a racist too!  You guys wear the tin foil! I’m not in denial about anything!  I’m reality based. You are all stupid!

Olbermanized on April 24, 2008 at 06:46 am
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You are not allowed to vote on the basis of someone’s character! Especially Obama’s!  You must vote only on the stuff I tell you to and if you find things that suck about my master that fall within those narrowly defined criteria, then you are WRONG!  I am always right! BecauseI am fair minded and open mind and smart and a centrist and you all are stupid.

Olbermanized on April 24, 2008 at 06:49 am

Dear “O”,

Got a good health insurance plan?  You’re gonna need some serious physical therapy to deal with that dislocated shoulder.

Funny Stuff!!!  Seriously funny.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on April 24, 2008 at 07:02 am

I agree with Bill Mitchell here.  That was pretty much my take on McCain’s strategy too.

I really don’t think he’s just being a “nice guy” here.

Carrick on April 24, 2008 at 07:23 am

Presidential candidates do not
declare their opponents psychotic, treasonous, homosexual child molesting, dupes of the Chinese Communists.

They have others do it for them.

WOOF on April 24, 2008 at 07:56 am
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Kenny

Clinton has always led in Democratically led and Swing states. Barack has a series of massive wins in Red states that he cannot possibly win in the primary.

A sharp cut to the quick.  I hadn’t looked at the delegate count in that way.  And if the superdelegates rally behind the candidate that stands a better chance of winning (the reason for the superdelegates, thank you McGovern) the party will rightly cry foul. 

I never thought that having all my favorite candidates eliminated would make for such an interesting election year.  Not caring is really very freeing.

FlyOnTheWall on April 24, 2008 at 08:18 am
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You are not allowed to vote on the basis of someone’s character! Especially Obama’s!

Well, that’s a fine interpretation.  Considering what was said;

After all, the above questions are all something that people have just as much right to question as they do Obama.

But I suppose it’s funny, seriously funny stuff to miss the irony.  Funny.  Seriously.

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 10:21 am
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Presidential candidates do not
declare their opponents psychotic, treasonous, homosexual child molesting, dupes of the Chinese Communists.

They have others do it for them.

Ouch.

Hannitized on April 24, 2008 at 10:24 am

Presidential candidates do not
declare their opponents psychotic, treasonous, homosexual child molesting, dupes of the Chinese Communists.

Unless he is actually elected President, no one is going to care if Obama is any of these things.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on April 24, 2008 at 08:44 pm
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I doubt very much that you’ll find a “God Damn America!” anywhere among any of McCain’s past associations.

We do have an:

I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.

and an

evangelical leader, who called the Roman Catholic Church “the great whore”

(Chuck Hagee for both)

But McCain’s a straight-talking maverick, who has moderators buy him presents before debates, so these stories are not important. Nothing to see here, move along.

todd on April 28, 2008 at 01:18 pm
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