Maybe The Answer Is More Gun Freedom, Not Less

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Whether it’s politicians larding up disaster relief appropriations bills with their pet projects, or leveraging national emotional crises such as the one set off by the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, into the impetus for tired gun control ideas, the politics of opportunity are always with us.

And when I use the word “tired” I really mean it. Already Senator Diane Feinstein is vowing to drag Assault Weapons Ban legislation back from the grave, hoping that grief over dead elementary kids in Connecticut will translate into political will for less gun freedom.

It’s not necessarily inappropriate to use moments like these to debate ideas, though, but instead of rehashing ground long-ago covered maybe it’s time to talk about some new ideas.

Instead of trying to implement policies to prevent something as random and unpredictable as someone losing their mind and attacking the public at large (something eerily reminiscent of “precrime” efforts Phillip K. Dick wrote about in The Minority Report) how about we better equip the public to respond to these inevitable attacks?

America has been trending toward more permissive gun policies for some time. Gun sales have skyrocketed in recent years, and today 49 states have a policy allowing for citizens to receive a permit to carry their firearms concealed. Some might argue that this trend toward embracing firearms as self defense is a big reason why violent crime in America has been trending downward (something I wrote about yesterday).

But one area where this trend hasn’t touched are the “gun free zones” which surround this nation’s schools and campuses. Schools and campuses that, in something that should hardly be considered coincidence, are all too often the targets of these shooters.

So here’s a crazy idea: Why not let the people who live in work in these “gun free zones” carry guns to defend themselves? “I’m not sure so…I wouldn’t want one person in a school armed, ready for this kind of thing,” former Secretary of Education William Bennett said on NBC’s Meet The Press.

“I wish to God she would have had an M4 in her office locked up,” said Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert on Fox News Sunday. “So when she heard gunfire she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands, But she takes him out, takes his head off before he could kill those precious kids.”

Talk of taking the killer’s head off may seem brash, but this idea has merit.

I don’t have a lot of confidence in the government’s ability to combat crime by limiting access to weapons – it doesn’t seem to have worked in some of this nation’s most stringent gun control enclaves which also claim some of the nation’s worse crime records – and I have even less confidence in the government’s ability to determine who might be too dangerous to own a weapon without sweeping up far too many law-abiding Americans who don’t deserve to have their rights limited.

But what I do have confidence in is the ability of individual Americans to defend themselves, and their friends and loved ones, when enabled to do so.

So, yes, let’s end the false security of “gun free zones” before any more of them become killing zones. Let’s allow CCW license holders to bring their guns to those zones and, for crying out loud, let’s train some of the employees who work in these zones to use and carry firearms.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    Clear, reasonable, and obvious—good luck with that!

    • sbark

      Especially since it has already worked in Israel schools since the 70’s………

      The Left and the enabling moderates would rather do the same thing over and over again and again……..and expect diff. results
      ——–the definition of insanity

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Just primitive animists trying their best to live in the modern world and hating it.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Speaking of hating the modern world, when are you off to Costa Rica?

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Just got here. Had to stop off in Antigua to trade the Gulfstream for a boat, then a quick stop in Panama to transfer some funds. Plan to stay on the boat until the remodeling on our little hacienda is completed. The place is pretty much like I remembered it, except for some condo development and a few Big Boxes. Took one of my wives to the Museo del Oro this morning ’cause she hadn’t gone to see it last time. Glad you asked.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            One of your wives?

          • guest

            When are you going back to where you came from, before you and your family were able to sneak across the border? Columbia perhaps…`

  • WOOF

    Commie indoctrinating, Godless, union parasite teachers,
    now with guns.

    • banjo kid

      Just as long as they can shoot straight I don’t care what they are .

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      3-star stupid. You need to work on your snark.

  • banjo kid

    What can be said of the people who want us unarmed, but they want to install a dictator in place of a president and leader . No army could take us over with out a great loss to their side . They want us unarmed for one reason and that is to but the boot to our necks,Gun control people are America’s enemies ( enemas ) or rather the product of an enema .

    • $8194357

      Yup…
      The bleeding heart liberal dodge of the facist statist..

    • borborygmi

      bunk and Bs.

      • banjo kid

        Thank you .

  • yy4u2

    How different this story, this tragedy, would have been had the 911 dispatcher been able to call the first responders with news that the suspect was the only victim and his/ her bullet filled body is waiting their arrival.

    As a 43 yr old with a 3.5 yr old daughter and seeing our once great country become so morally n ethically bankrupt, I would prefer that workers at the school that wanted to carry, were allowed.

  • 308T

    “and, for crying out loud, let’s train some of the employees who work in these zones to use and carry firearms.” My wife is a teacher here in Bismarck & about 50% of her co-workers would agree with that, we have a lot of convincing to do.

    • borborygmi

      Should being an expert marksman be a requisite of a teacher? Think back on some of the teachers you had when you were growing up. Would you want them armed? Private armed guards taxpayer paid..

      • 308T

        No, only the teachers that wish to be armed should have to pass a marksmanship test. I don’t want to force people to be armed if they don’t want to. I don’t mind paying taxes to protect school kids from psychos who want to do harm to them.

        • borborygmi

          we are in agreement then.

      • JW-USA free not fearful

        You don’t have to be much of a marksman, lock your classroom door, get your children out of line of sight, spin your desk between you and the door cock your handgun or rack the slide, switch the weapon from safety to fire, and wait, that door gets kicked open, its you, your students or him…

      • banjo kid

        I agree with that .

  • whowon

    One state has already acted…LANSING (WWJ) – A State Senate committee on Thursday approved changes to Michigan’s concealed weapons law that include allowing people to carry concealed guns in churches, schools and sports arenas.

    The legislation now goes to a vote in the full Senate.

  • whowon

    and another in Texas. Trustees at the Harrold Independent School District approved a district policy change last October so employees can carry concealed firearms to deter and protect against school shootings, provided the gun-toting teachers follow certain requirements.

    • Justme9090

      The entire state of Utah allows concealed carry by permit holders on state-run college campuses. The schools challenged it legally and lost at the Utah Supreme Court (the Utah Constitution won). They claimed there would be a blood-bath. I’m still waiting. Meanwhile, in other news, places with no guns allowed signs are involved in a blood bath.

  • Flamejob5

    Paul’s bill last year to do just that never even progressed past committee:

    HR 2613

  • fredlave

    There was a shooting in a mall in Oregon on December 14th that was interrupted by an armed bystander. The shooter killed himself when he saw the bystander’s gun. The full story (which will not be on NBC, CBS or ABC) is at http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

    • $8194357

      Yup

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      There is no evidence of that, you jumped to the conclusion based on the survivors opinion. What this does prove is that if people were allowed to carry it doesn’t stop the shooter from killing people and they don’t always shoot back. That’s verifiable proof. Your conclusion is complete speculation.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Statistics show as gun ownership has gone down in America, so has gun violence and murder. There are fewer gun owners today than in the 1970s, and gun murder is down.

    The answer is clear, on a national level.

    • 308T

      LOL, really, show me that stat. here’s mine proving you completely wrong. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/18/gun-ownership-up-crime-down/

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Crime rates started falling. Apart from a few bumps and plateaus, they continued to drop through boom times and recessions, through peace and war, under Democrats and Republicans. Last year’s murder rate may be the lowest since the mid-1960s, according to preliminary statistics released by the Department of Justice. The human dimension of this turnaround is extraordinary: had the rate remained unchanged, an additional 170,000 Americans would have been murdered in the years since 1992. That’s more U.S. lives than were lost in combat in World War I, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq — combined. In a single year, 2008, lower crime rates meant 40,000 fewer rapes, 380,000 fewer robberies, half a million fewer aggravated assaults and 1.6 million fewer burglaries than we would have seen if rates had remained at peak levels.

        http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1963761,00.html

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/gun-ownership-declining1.png

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

        Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into
        the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social
        indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher
        populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were
        not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he
        found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun
        control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer
        here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be
        suggestive:

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/gun-control-laws-and-gun-deaths-florida.jpg

        • Marc

          “States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.”
          Not entirely accurate.
          Compare NY, NJ, or California which have the strictest gun laws to a state like Arizona.

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Those three states have higher populations. The statistic is doing a ratio of murders per every 100,000. These statistics don’t lie, but they don’t prove causation either, which is giving you some wiggle room.

            Either way, the red states in the south are shooting themselves up. It’s exactly as I said, if we reduce the number of republican gun owners in our country we will have less gun violence.

          • guest

            When will you be giving up your semi automatic weapons?

    • guest

      Gun ownership is way up. Especially after obama got elected twice.

    • Bat One

      I am more than a little skeptical of your “statistics” and all the more distrustful that a drop in the number of gun owners – at least the law abiding, registered ones – has led to a decline in gun murder as you have wrongly suggested. Chicago has arguably the most stringent handgun control ordinances in the US, and yet that city’s streets have become a veritable shooting gallery, averaging roughly 8 – 10 shootings per week.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        And still there’s fewer gun murders, per capita, to the southern red states, where our conservative brethren are running around, paranoid, with guns.

    • Tim Heise

      Proof Please?

  • borborygmi

    They should allow fully automatic. From what I have seen they aren’t that accurate.

  • Stuart

    If you recall wasn’t an trained officer wounded or killed near the Manomen area on the Reservation in a school? Could be wrong! Is training an absolute? It helps , but what if you train someone as a guard that doesn’t have the guts to shoot at the perpetrator?
    Does this help the cause?

    The tax payer will again pay for the degradation of society they’ve allowed to happen through believing there are no absolutes and teaching their children that God is only a God of love.

    What’s the deterrent ?

    Many Goverment Schools are filled with moral relativists..influencing the vulnersble children. Read The Pofessors by Horowitz. Very informative and revealing.

    And we’ve allow this to happen so all of us are culpable. Indifference..is deciding not to decide.

    No vetting and giving these Proffesors and teachers 10 year!

  • Stuart

    Hoping the first responder could have arrived is nonsense. They can only arrive in a certain amount of time. Three minutes ? How bout if a teacher carried a concealed weapon and stopped the killer first..or at least before the killer killed as many as they could before the first responders arrived in those three minutes. Three minutes is just an example of time..it could take much longer.

    Still have not heard any of the News outlets other the Drudge claim Congress and our Wonderful President cut back on School Funded security. Does Benghazi ring a bell?

    Wonder why that is? What say you?

  • WOOF

    Top 10 Armed teachers shooting preferences:

    10 Mentally Unstable Gunmen
    9 Standardized Test Politicians
    8 State Dept of Education
    7 School Board
    6 Parent teacher Assoc Officers
    5 Other Teachers
    4 Dept Head
    3 Vice Principal
    2 Principal

    And the number one
    Armed teachers shooting preference;
    STUDENTS

    • $8194357

      did ya send it to ‘world wide pants’?

  • pete

    What happen in Connecticut are children who were killed by EVIL. What is the difference if it happened 6-7 years before by a Liberal Godless mother @ the hands of an abortion doctor who worships Goebbels & Satan. Same result dead children. Abortion kills more children than all guns!!!

    • $8194357

      Ideologies have killed 100’s of millions in just the last 150 years..

      • borborygmi

        :YOu stop short. How about the last 3000 years

        • $8194357

          Yup..
          I was just thinking more along the socialist/communist
          recent history..

    • borborygmi

      Yep kinda like God killing all those children in KIngs. Killing is relative’

  • sally

    Abortion kills more children than guns

    • Neiman

      A comedian, Victoria _____, got hell for saying the same thing, but it is true. I don’t hear any calls to ban abortion or abortionists on the Left.

      • $8194357

        It doesn’t fit the leftist cause or agenda to claim both lifes born/unborn
        worthy of the same compassion.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      So turn a blind eye to the problem of children getting blown away in a mass murder because you have a political bone to pick?

    • borborygmi

      If you could stop both would you? War kills lots of children also. I didn’t know it was a contest.

  • Thresherman

    In 2005 I took the family to see President Bush speak in Fargo. To get into the event you had to pass a through sceening, making the NDSU Feildhouse a “gunfree zone”. And yet it wasn’t, the place was filled with armed Secret Service officers. The reason that they were there is that in the event that an armed crazy got inside, they could take him out. No one doubts the correctness of this, yet when it come to “gunfree zones” liberals take the opposite view.
    What liberals fail to recognize with their “gunfree zones” is that they are not creating a safety areas but slaughter pens if some crazy decides to go out in a blaze of media frenzy. Clearly the Secret Service can see this and so can many others, yet the left cannot see that it is their acts that are partly to blame for the massacre. Could it be that their ruch to blame guns is in part to prevent a closer look at the overall situation and might lead to some well deserved blame going their way?

  • $8194357

    Never let a good crisis go to waste.

    The POTUS is calling on his bully pulpit to use
    the it takes a village socialist for the sake of the
    children smoke screen to apply statist anti Constitutional
    Federal tyrany agendas once again…

    Hang on folks…We are going for a ride..

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/dem-senator-we-will-have-assault-weapons-ban-bill-day-one-in-next-congress

    I have received comments on Facebook, by email and comments in the comments section by people who think that there is no one out for Americans’ guns. They live in a dream world. There is no other way to say it. The talk on television and radio over the past week, especially since Friday’s Sandy Hook Elementary shooting has been nothing but anti-gun rhetoric and the internet has been filled with Tweets calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment and murder of the National Rifle Association president and its members. Whether it is Barack Obama or other liberals, there are those in Washington, D.C. who do want to ban firearms. One such is Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). She told NBC’s Meet The Press on Sunday that she will once again reintroduce an assault weapons ban bill on the first day of the new Congress.

    As an introduction to a question on the leadership of Barack Obama on banning assault weapons the host quoted The Washington Post on the record of Barack Obama:

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/dem-senator-we-will-have-assault-weapons-ban-bill-day-one-in-next-congress/#ixzz2FGo1u5G8

    • banjo kid

      You missed Boxer

      • $8194357

        Same leftist brain cell applies, tho, right..

  • Spartacus

    Restricting the rights of good people never has and never will protect them from bad people, only a fool thinks otherwise.

  • Davo

    “I’m not the one suggesting policy changes.” -Rob Port

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