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Yeah, a leadership deputy whip to DeLay, to boot.
Mark “family values” Foley may go to jail under the very laws he auhtored.  I hear his name will stay on the ballot.  It will be interesting to see how many people in his District will vote for a pedophile.

The understanding is that all the votes cast for Foley will go to the Republican replacement.  That would be “accused pedophile”. There is no evidence yet that he actually committed any pedophilic acts.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Interesting.

My reaction is that if the cost of sending this paedophile packing (preferably to prison) is the loss his seat in , or even of the Republican Majority in the House, it’s a price worth paying.

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Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

According to the Dems, Republicans are prudish, sexually constricted and against homosexuality.  This is obviously an individual problem, not one of party affiliation.  We should keep the seat.  Our national security is at stake.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Yes I agree with you, Foley needs to be treated in a clinic and separated from the society for a long time.

Thank you for sharing this story with me !

re:  robert 108 saying “no pedophilic act commited”. When a 52 year old Congressman asks a 16 year old male page to describe how and how often he masterbates and the size of his penis, the law sez a crime has been committed.

Now it’s being reported that Hastert knew about this little problem a year ago.  I’m not sure why it wasn’t resolved at that point in time.

Dear fish, thanks for the barrel.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

That would be “accused pedophile”. There is no evidence yet that he actually committed any pedophilic acts.
robert108 on September 29, 2006 at 11:38 pm
You would defend the undefendable. I told you before: YOU ARE AN APOLOGIST. Always defending right wing perverts.If in fact he sent those e mails I bet you this man has also sexualy abussed minor children.
A damn shame.

Age of consent in DC 16.

I used to like Foley, but he’s definetly guilty enough that he deserves to spend some time under bar, irrigardless of whether he get it or not.

Ney and the Democratic Congressman from Lousiana are guilty too. Both need to at minimum spend some time under in prison, possibly trialed for treason and executed.

Good riddance!!

What a creep! He can go to jail…

..why I think he should serve sometime under bar:

here’s one of those exchanges Mark Foley had

(I believe this particular exchange took place in 2003, the victim in question didn’t oust Foley because of the Congressman powerful position in Congress)

Age of consent in DC 16.

If this is true, the “pedophile” accusation is false.  Now, it’s just a matter of Dem “homophobia”.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

You would defend the undefendable. I told you before: YOU ARE AN APOLOGIST. Always defending right wing perverts.If in fact he sent those e mails I bet you this man has also sexualy abussed minor children.
A damn shame.

So much for the rule of law.  Let’s just get out the lynch mob!  I apologized for nothing, so you owe me an apology, ellinas.  I simply pointed out a few facts you don’t like.  You just want to hang this guy, so be honest.  You are a vigilante.  How’s that?
Now, from Woof(of all people), we hear that the age of consent in DC is 16, which would make the pedophile accusation false.  If it had been up to you, this guy would have been punished for something he didn’t do.  Is that what you want? Are you so angry at homosexuals you want them all thrown in prison?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Your hypocrisy is showing.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Elected officials and little boys.

I think that’s a problem, don’t you r108?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

rbb: It’s not my cup of tea, but if the age of consent in DC is 16, then you lie.  It was elected official(s) and young man, and that’s an entirely different matter.  The hypocritical Dems want “gay everything”, unless it’s done by a Republican, then they pounce.  I thought “the President of the United States and a very young intern” was a problem, but the Dems certainly didn’t think so; now they do.  Isn’t that the definition of hypocrisy on their part?  Are you homophobic, rbb?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Robert:
This guy was in a position of authority with this kid. It’s not unlike a teacher/student relationship.
Sorry but this guy’s gotta go.

Age of consent isn’t everything under the law.  For example:

§ 22-3010. Enticing a child.

Whoever, being at least 4 years older than a child, takes that child to any place, or entices, allures, or persuades a child to go to any place for the purpose of committing any offense set forth in §§ 22-3002 to 22-3006 and §§ 22-3008 and 22-3009 shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years and, in addition, may be fined in an amount not to exceed $50,000.

Clinton=over 50; Lewinski=20. Where were you then, Rick?  Not only that, but he did a lot more than “entice”, didn’t he?

If someone is beyond the age of consent, they are no longer a “child”.  This law was specifically made about older children victimizing younger children.  Nice try.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

BUT CLIIIINTOOON did it toooooooo….what did you say earlier r108…weak?

r108, it may very well be 16, but elected officials and little boys?

I think that’s a problem, don’t you r108?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

gregdn: You know, you are exactly right!  We should give him the same penalty we gave Clinton, even though Clinton actually did something in his “teacher/student” relationship.  Oh, wait!  Clinton didn’t even lose his job… Oh well.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

rob, it not age of consent in D.C. he has to legally worry about:

Its the FBI and the Feds that will probably get him:

Age of consent in NOrth America

Federal Laws
{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2422(b)} forbids the use of the United States Postal Service or other interstate or foreign means of communication, such as telephone calls or use of the internet, to persuade or entice a minor (defined as under 18 throughout chapter) to be involved in a criminal sexual act. The act has to be illegal under state or federal law to be charged with a crime under 2422(b), and can even be applied to situations where both parties are within the same state, but uses an instant messenger program whose servers are in another state.[3]

{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2423(a)} forbids transporting a minor (defined as under 18) in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent of engaging in criminal sexual acts in which a person can be charged. This subsection is ambigious on its face, and only seems to apply if you transport a minor across state or international lines to a place where the conduct is already illegal to begin with. United States Department of Justice seems to agree with this interpretation.

{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2423(b)} forbids traveling in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in “illicit sexual conduct” with a minor. 2423(f) refers to Chapter 109A as its bright line for defining “illicit sexual conduct”, as for as non-commercial sexual activity is concerned. For the purposes of age of consent, the only provision applicable is {Chapter 109A, 18 U.S.C. 2243(a)}. 2243(a) refers to situations where such younger person is under the age of 16 years, has attained 12 years of age, and the older person is more than 4 years older than the 12-15 year old (persons under 12 are handled under 18 U.S.C. 2241(c) under aggravated sexual abuse). So, the age is 12 years if you’re within 4 years of the 12-15 year old’s age, 16 under all other circumstances. This most likely reflects Congressional intent to not unduly interfere with a state’s age of consent law, which would have been the case if the age was set to 18 under all circumstances. This law is also extraterritorial in nature to US Citizens and Residents who travel outside of the United States.

Where them servers at!

Lewinsky wasn’t a child under the law, Robert108.  Please read more closely.

In DC, 16 isn’t a “little boy”. What part of that don’t you understand.  The Clinton mention just highlights the hypocrisy of the Dems here.  It goes farther: Clinton performed lewd sexual acts with his “little girl"(in your terms); he not only lied about it, but he refused to resign and turned the morals of the country upside down in order to save himself.  Foley has promptly resigned and has admitted what he did, which was to send IMs to this guy.  Actually, it’s not “you did it too”, it’s “Clinton did a lot more and got away with it.” Not so weak.  Republicans step up and do the right thing; Dems lie, deny and defend their criminal actions.  Big difference.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

never mind the servers? ..age of consent in Louisiana is 17.

If the age of consent in DC is 16, this fellow isn’t a child, either.  I know you would like it to be different, but it’s really the same case, with lesser actions and greater consequences.  Hypocrisy.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Elected officials and little boys?

I think that’s a problem, don’t you r108?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

...a criminal sexual act.

Is sending salacious IMs a criminal sexual act?  Since the young man was clearly above the age of consent in both states, that is the only legal issue here.  Of course, he has resigned anyway, because Republicans have a much higher moral standard than do Dems.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

rob, first let me tell you there’s more than just one kid.

secont:  the kids (or at least some of the kids) didn’t reside in DC at the time the exchanges took place.

Look r108, I’m going to spell this out for you just a little more before giving up.

the Age of Consent is not equivalent with the legal definition of Child.  While the age of consent is 16, a person is still a child until age 18 for legal matters.  The statute I copied in specifically refers to Child, not Age of Consent . . . that’s why I pointed that out.

What this man is accused of is reprehensible, regardless sexual orientation.

Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2422(b)} forbids the use of the United States Postal Service or other interstate or foreign means of communication, such as telephone calls or use of the internet, to persuade or entice a minor (defined as under 18 throughout chapter) to be involved in a criminal sexual act

Elected officials and little boys?

I think that’s a problem, don’t you r108?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Rick: That matter isn’t as clear as you claim it to be, but the truth is that this is a Dem hit job for political purposes.  It certainly isn’t pedophilia, even though it’s reprehensible.  If the Republicans retain the seat, the Dems will have ruined this guy’s life for nothing; hope you’re proud of yourselves!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Robert108,

Do you believe that Representative Mark Foley should retain his Congressional seat in light of this evidence?

Do you believe that Representative Mark Foley should retain his Congressional seat in light of this evidence?

Absolutely not.  I’m consistent, in that I think Clinton should have lost his “Presidential seat” and should have done prison time for his misdeeds, as well.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

then it’s settled . . . you’ve taken a brave position against lewd behavior toward minors.  I’m proud of you.

And you have only taken a “brave position” against a Republican.  I’m not proud of you.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

aNON: From your cut and paste:

For the purposes of age of consent, the only provision applicable is {Chapter 109A, 18 U.S.C. 2243(a)}. 2243(a) refers to situations where such younger person is under the age of 16 years, has attained 12 years of age, and the older person is more than 4 years older than the 12-15 year old (persons under 12 are handled under 18 U.S.C. 2241(c) under aggravated sexual abuse). So, the age is 12 years if you’re within 4 years of the 12-15 year old’s age, 16 under all other circumstances

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Looks like we got ourselves another one

Randal D. “Randy” Ankeney, the convicted sex offender who just a few short years ago was a rising GOP star in Colorado, is being held on a $1 million bond in Larimer County.

Ankeney, 35, who was arrested Wednesday, is facing five counts of sexual assault on a child, three counts of sexual enticement of a child and one count of sexual exploitation of a child. The felonies, if he is convicted, could send him to prison for life.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

r108: And you have only taken a “brave position” against a Republican.

gop party uber alles, right comrade?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

So much for Republicans being puritanical.
Barney Frank had his “partner” running a sex ring out of his house, and he still has his job.  More Dem double standards.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

rbb: He didn’t take such a “brave position” against what Clinton did, which was my point.  I’m sorry I have to explain that to you, comrade.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Did he actually have sex with any of these boys?

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I see that realitybasedbob and the rest of the left are howling at the moon over this one. Well, they’re not gonna miss a shot like this. Especially not this close to the election.

And the fact is, it doesn’t look good for Foley. If what is being said is true, he needs to go to jail. And so far, so bad. Those e-mails can be pesky things. Just ask the former head of FEMA.

So, until this thing is over the left will sit back in a happy collective circle jerk over it, yanking it in glee and screeching like monkeys in a mango tree.

You can’t really blame them. With just a few short weeks to the election Foley gave them an unexpected gift. Now let’s see if they’ll do something with it or just make noise. they’re good at making noise. Let’s see.

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...With just a few short weeks to the election Foley gave them an unexpected gift.

Dear Fish, thanks for the barrel.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Meanwhile, “Cold Cash” William Jefferson, Dem-Louisiana, continues to lie and deny, while he is collecting his salary… Very selective.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

And again, did he actually have sex with any of these boys?

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You no true to word. You alway say to odda peoples not to say -you did it to- you say tha it not good defense when odda peoples say you di it too. So why you now say you did it too
and it OK? If no ok one time it no ok now to. so stop say clintin do it to so mr. mark no same. you no true both time

If he is proven guilty or pleads guilty, like so many gops these days, he should be sent to jail along with the rest of the traitors.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

You’ll have lotsof cellmates then, realitydenyingboob.

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why 108 man alway keep say you di it to? evey odda time he say don do that- now he seem think ok do it. i don nno why he not say same ding all time- why he up one time den down one time

It’s the only way he can fall asleep at night, Nguyen. He’s am extrie crispy gop extremist.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

NTD: If that is your only argument, it’s weak; if you have other arguments, it may be a credible argument for hypocrisy.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

rbb:  Wrong, as usual.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

If he were in fact soliciting sex from a minor who is under the age of consent over the internet, then he was in violation of the law. If he were discussing sex with a minor who is over the age of consent, then he’s a sleazebag and a perv, but probably not a criminal.

Same thing with actual sex. If he had sex with someone that young who is over the age of consent, it ain’t against the law. Just...ugly. If he had sex with someone under the age of consent (which probably means some form of seduction was used) then he needs to be shot, pissed on, and dragged behind a car with signs stuck to him.

It will be interesting to see who screams loudest about this, and where they were when the blonde bombshell teachers was molesting their students and getting house arrest or a very light sentence.

Were they screaming then?

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She was probably a Dem.  That explains it.  Of course, Dem women and minorities("Cold Cash” William Jefferson) are never really guilty of anything.  Only Republicans are guilty.  At least, that’s the MSM version of reality.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Elected officials and little boys?

I think that’s a big problem, don’t you r108?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Alot of projecting there, realitydenyingboob. Got something to confess?

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rbb: You continue to lie.  Look up the definition of “age of consent”.

Elected officials and young interns?  You don’t seem to have a problem with that, even though the elected official was married, unlike Foley, and had actual sexual contact with the young person, unlike Foley.  Why the double standard?  C’mon, rbb, stop lying and admit that you are enjoying this hit job tremendously.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

You fellas are really sick.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

And my favorite part of NTD’s posts is the fake broken english. Here is a hint, leftard, study how the writting mistakes made by people whose native language is Annamite, then come back and try again.

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i have son but i no enjoy if some oda son get hurt
if man hurt a boy he go jail i no care bou clintn do yestrdy it no mater now

Notice how quick realitydenyingboob ducked that. Smells like a whole lot of guilt running for cover.

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You are a queer little man, 2h9.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

At least I am not hiding behind a false barrage of “hang the child molestor”, like you. Who was it that was such a vocal advocate of laws to punish child molestors and then had to resign his Congressional position. Who was so loudly decrying men having sexual relations with boys, and is now seen to have been pursuing the same thing himself. You should really be careful how you sling that tar brush around, awful lot of it ends up on you.

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Hey “Nguyen”,

Bad Vietnamese phonetics, like a writer would do, not someone trying to communicate in a second language. Cut it out.

And, Robert, you’re right. Like I posted above, the left will be yankin’ it like a monkey in a mango tree over this. RBB and his ilk are in heaven.

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Who was it that was such a vocal advocate of laws to punish child molestors and then had to resign his Congressional position. Who was so loudly decrying men having sexual relations with boys, and is now seen to have been pursuing the same thing himself.

Ummmm....Mark Foley?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

At least you reading comprehension is improving. How long you been in the closet? And do your friends at NAMBLA know you are thinking of coming out? Bet they will throw you a big party!

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Why is this guy getting punished? Has he usurped anyone’s rights? He talked about sex with a teenager. Sure, it gets a 10 on the “Ew, gross!” chart, but how has it harmed anyone? Whoever said that we were “puritanical” about sex was right… what a stupid law.

Dave: The answer to your question is: Because he’s a Republican, the Dems know Republicans will do the right thing, and the Dems are desperate to regain control of Congress, and will do anything at all in order to accomplish it.
Congratulations!  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Dave: I wasn’t aware he was being punished.

As far as I know he simply resigned.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I should point out that when I wrote this post I wasn’t aware that the age of consent in D.C. was 16.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob: I haven’t followed it extremely closely, but I know I read in a few articles that he could be punished for “violating a law he helped author!” or something to that effect.

The difference betweem Clinton and Foley is that… Clinton was with an adult, though young, woman where Foley is playing around with underage little boys.

JohnG:

...Foley is playing around with underage little boys.

Not true.  They were young men over the age of consent, and there is no evidence of physical contact, unlike Clinton, who left some rather well-known evidence.  The differences here are not in Clinton’s favor.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Bill Clinton was the President of the USA. The highest held position in the country. An office that Americans focus on one man to be trusted to carry out the most important top business of our country. God bless our country!