Man Who Shot Intruder In Fargo Area Being Called A Murderer

Here’s the scenario: A man named Vernon Allen is sitting in his apartment late one night watching television. Shortly after midnight, a seventeen-year-old kid named Joel LaFromboise opened his door and walked in. Allen stood and asked the kid what he was doing. Asked him if he needed help. LaFromboise advanced on Allen in a manner Allen took to be combative. Allen grabbed his shotgun and pointed it at LaFromboise and again demanded that he leave. LaFromboise attempted to grab the gun from Allen. A struggled ensued, and LaFromboise ended up getting shot in the chest.
At which point he staggered to his parents’ apartment, fell on the floor and died. Now the family of LaFromboise is calling Allen a murder.

Ralph LaFromboise spent Father’s Day reeling in shock, making funeral arrangements for his eldest son instead of tending the grill.
“You can’t describe how it feels to lose a son or one of your children,” he said. “You expect to die before they do. I moved my kids from Minneapolis to Fargo to keep them out of trouble.”
The family isn’t sure why Joel LaFromboise wandered into at least three strangers’ apartments before his death. He does have friends in the area of Romkey Park, just down the street from the apartment complex at 1107 19th St. S. where he died. …
Police have said Allen will not face criminal charges at this time in connection with the shooting, which angers Joel LaFromboise’s family.
“I’m upset that nothing’s happening to this guy,” Ralph LaFromboise said. “He murdered my son. My son’s a juvenile, this is a grown man, he can’t be scared of my son. My son didn’t have no weapon.”
Allen told The Forum on Saturday that he shot Joel LaFromboise after the teen grabbed the barrel of the gun and would not leave, saying he pulled the trigger out of fear the gun would be turned on him.
That doesn’t make sense to Ralph LaFromboise.
“If he can reach his shotgun, how come he can’t reach his telephone and call 911?” the father asked. “Maybe he could have just shot to scare him.”

According to the article, witnesses said Joel LaFromboise was unresponsive. He’d barged into other apartments that night. And he appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The parents say he wasn’t, but most parents would say that.
Now, this may sound cold, but it’s not Allen’s responsibility to try and call 911 when he’s being confronted by a big, combative stranger who just barged into his living room. Allen didn’t go looking for trouble. He didn’t provoke Joel LaFromboise in any way. Joel LaFromboise was acting bizarrely. He may have been inebriated. And he was breaking into other people’s homes.
And when he attacked one of those people in their homes he got shot when that person defended himself.
The moral of the story is: This whole mess could have been avoided if Joel LaFromboise hadn’t broken into someone else’s home.
Update: Here’s the kid’s MySpace page. Notice the gang sign in the picture, and his mood which is set to “smokin’ sherm sticks.”
I’m no expert in drug culture, but I’m pretty sure “sherm sticks” are marijuana joints dipped into something like PCP or embalming fluid to create a hallucinogenic effect. Maybe an effect that would make you stumble into people’s apartments and try to engage the denizens in combat.

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  • http://Array JimH

    (Borger/Phillips, actually)

    That would be the one.

  • Angel

    Wow this i news Ha!!

    what in the world was the man to do. Stand there and let this kid in up beating him to death, first of all you dont walk in or break into people houses, and think you are going to walk out alive.It’s either him or me and i have bets that it will be the intruder that get it, Sad that this young man live the life he did. And the family think that this kind of behaviour is ok, and now calling the guy a killer, UMM! where were you guys Azzez when he started out this kind of behaviour. Now you want to point blame give me a break? His my space has him throwing up gang signs and his title page has some disturbing name title.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    This sounds like an open-and-shut case of self defense.

  • Kiona

    When I first hear about this story, I couldn’t understand why so many people do not lock the doors to their home….? That’s the first step in the right to protecting your home. Oddly enough a couple of women shooed him out of their homes safely. Mr. Lafromboise’s confused and disorientated behaivor gave me the impression it was drugs or some medical condition. Someone must know what happened….where was he in the hours or minutes before all this happened? Was he given something by someone unbenounced to him? To die alone, knowing that all he was trying to do, was to get home to his family.

  • Pfeh

    Perhaps a little folk-wisdom from my youth in the Bronx is in order. After you shoot him, get a knife and put it in his hand.

    Dumbest thing I’ve read today.

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow, what a pile of shit. He died because he chose to die. Period. Full stop.

  • Clark Kent

    Vernon Allen is a hero. He shot and killed a hemorrhoid on the ass of society who had no business breaking into the mans home. I hope Mr. Allen is at least receiving some sort of victim support and counseling – I suppose a medal would be too much to ask.

  • just me

    how the hell are you people gona put the blame on the parents. once kids get to that teenage stage it doesnt matter how the parents raised them. these kids will take whatever path in life they choose. ive had friends with some really messed up parents and are great people. and on the other hand ive had friends that have those by book type of parents and are the worst people ever. and get over his myspace page already geez. most teenagers have dumb things on their myspace page. i bet anything 2hotel9 is white because you just sound like on of them people that think “if your not white your not right”. if this was a white kid that got shot by a minority you would be singing a different tune. but anyway im not sayn it was ok for the kid to just do what he did but to kill him i think was to far. who the hell wouldnt sober up with a big shotgun pointed at you. i dont understand how a man can feel his life is in danger from an unarmed 17 yr old kid and has to kill him. thats a bunch of bull. either way it goes with the law that man will get his because karma is a b#tch.

  • Shannon

    ok well mister. joel was my best friend and so wat if his myspace says that he was “smokin.” name one kid that doesnt put that to look cool. u r so rude to put him and his family down when they just lost someone special that meant a lot to them! so either get ur facts straight or leave him alone bcuz if u actually knew him u would know that he is nice, funny, and a great friend!

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow, talk about illiterate morons, tell us, just you, how many times a week do you break into people’s homes? Come on over and break into mine, I’ll be waiting. Or my wife will greet you. Either way you will be leaving in the custody of the county coroner.

    These parents need their asses thrown in jail, their other children need placed in decent homes, and Mr Vernon Allen needs a medal and a $25,000 reward for removing a clear and present danger from his community.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    After you shoot him, get a knife and put it in his hand.

    If Vernon Allen had taken your advice, he would be sitting in jail today.

  • 2Hotel9

    Toot! That would be counter productive. She should encourage all her methhead friends to do this shit. That way she, and they, will all be dead in a quick, efficient manner. And all of us real human beings can move on with our lives.

  • b*tch

    and idc wat any1 else says….y the fuck would u give vernon allen, the murderer! a fuckin medal! ya bullshit i want to kill that mother fucker!!! so stfu all of u that didnt know him!

  • Bodhi

    Responsibility for one’s actions. Unfortunately for Joel, his actions cost him his life.

    How about an outcry for Mr. Allen? No one seems to care about the trauma this man went through having to kill a whacked out intruder.

  • 2Hotel9

    Gang, these comments are all from the same illiterate asshole. Suckpuppetry. It is all the political left has.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Moron #1: ok well mister. joel was my best friend and so wat if his myspace says that he was “smokin.” name one kid that doesnt put that to look cool. u r so rude to put him and his family down when they just lost someone special that meant a lot to them! so either get ur facts straight or leave him alone bcuz if u actually knew him u would know that he is nice, funny, and a great friend!

    Sounds like one of Dino’s friends.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Sure, we believe you.

  • jimmypop

    Yeah, Texas. I lived in Fritch Texas for awhile. Working at the oil refinery. The game wardens wife got up one night to find a couple of teens stealing fire wood out their yard. When she told them to leave one tossed a chunk of wood at her. She shot the little turd muncher dead on the spot. Instead of being called names and being harassed, she was called a hero and giving the praise she deserved.

    texas does kick ass in lots of ways

  • k_lunch

    His picture says “______________ pride.” My wife and I are trying to figure out what the first word is. Any ideas?

    It’s Native Pride.

    Trying not to laugh here.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    The intruder’s myspace page:

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    I lived in Fritch Texas for awhile.

    Huh, I’ve worked at the refinery too (Borger/Phillips, actually)

  • Pfeh

    Given the kid’s reported behavior, and his drug references on MySpace, I’m not going to be surprised when they announce that he was high on the stuff.

    PCP is scary stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine#Effects

  • TomTom

    Move to Texas where we have the CASTLE LAW…Do the crime..you get your ASS SHOT!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Those fine example of “parents” is the reason why the kid turned out to be an idiot.

    If that’s how it really went down, then the homeowner had no choice but to protect himself from the home invader. Because of that he’ll have no problem with the law.

    Oh, and to the idiot parent: If an intruder’s in your house, calling 911 is only going to help in cleaning up the mess.

    I’m glad that Mr. Allen is unhurt.

  • 2Hotel9

    Charges should be filed against this idiot’s parents. He would be alive today had they actually done THEIR job in raising him.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Did you guys participate in the criminals home invasions or just expect him to share what he store with you?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    how the hell are you people gona put the blame on the parents. once kids get to that teenage stage it doesnt matter how the parents raised them. these kids will take whatever path in life they choose. ive had friends with some really messed up parents and are great people. and on the other hand ive had friends that have those by book type of parents and are the worst people ever. and get over his myspace page already geez. most teenagers have dumb things on their myspace page. i bet anything 2hotel9 is white because you just sound like on of them people that think “if your not white your not right”. if this was a white kid that got shot by a minority you would be singing a different tune. but anyway im not sayn it was ok for the kid to just do what he did but to kill him i think was to far. who the hell wouldnt sober up with a big shotgun pointed at you. i dont understand how a man can feel his life is in danger from an unarmed 17 yr old kid and has to kill him. thats a bunch of bull. either way it goes with the law that man will get his because karma is a b#tch.

    In ND and MN you can not just break into someone house, it is a crime and you can legally use deadly force, you don’t have to retreat from your home.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Sounds like someone’s who’s an expert in illegal drugs.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    We should familiarize our visiting Thug wanna-bees with a couple items:

    1) THE SECOND AMENDMENT. Most states still honor it. It means that the homes you break into might have people who have guns in them. These people will likely be either very angry or very scared, and probably a little of both.

    This means that their fingers might actually twitch accidentally on the triggers of the guns they will be pointing at you.

    2) BALLISTICS and HYDROSTATIC SHOCK – Projectiles have a tendency to really mess up your vital organs at close range and pretty much negate any coolness you might think you have.

    In fact, the only cool you will be, is cooling on a slab, with the added bling of a toe tag.

    3) CASTLE DOCTRINE — this goes way back to Biblical days. You do a breaking and entry into someone’s crib, the law gives him or her to put a cap in yo ass and will give the home-owner a double thumbs up.

    Bottom line: you act like a thug where the Second Amendment is in full effect, you might get your stupid thug ass shot.

    Word.

  • sayanything-4625

    ok well mister. joel was my best friend and so wat if his myspace says that he was “smokin.”

    Here’s the deal Shannon, we are concerned that you didn’t learn the little “smokin” lesson. If you smoke things that cause you to lose control of your actions you shouldn’t be surprised when you act strangely, break into a persons house, ignore them when they ask you to leave and then get shot when when you try to fight them. To most lucid people, this is not a shocking turn of events. I’m sure Joel was a nice guy, you as a friend failed him. Don’t take your guilt out on us.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    The two comments are from the same IP address. Very likely it’s the same idiot.

    I don’t know if that’s a leftist thing probably more of a generic idiot thing.

    I hope she tells all her druggie friends to quit the illegal life and certainly stay away from home invasions.

  • 11B40

    Greetings:

    Perhaps a little folk-wisdom from my youth in the Bronx is in order. After you shoot him, get a knife and put it in his hand.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    And an open and shut case of idiocy on the part of the druggie’s father.

    This is pretty typical bavior for a parent of a hoodlum or troublemaker.

    When a hoodlum beats up another kid at school, then it’s the other kid who started the fight.

    When a troublemaker disrupts class, it’s the teacher’s fault for over-reacting.

    When a hoodlum gets in trouble with the law, it’s the cops who acted improperly.

    This father has probably responded this way for his son’s entire life, enabling his misbehavior to escalate until he finally threatens someone in their own home and gets a load of buckshot.

  • JimH

    how the hell are you people gona put the blame on the parents. once kids get to that teenage stage it doesnt matter how the parents raised them. these kids will take whatever path in life they choose

    Until the age of 18 parents are,and im sure this a new word for you, RESPONSIBLE, for their children. Its the law. Maybe not everywhere, but it is here. Even after that, even when one of my kids was 40, and i find them doing drugs i will knock the crap out of them. And tell them just how stupid that they are.

    most teenagers have dumb things on their myspace page. i bet anything 2hotel9 is white because you just sound like on of them people that think “if your not white your not right”. if this was a white kid that got shot by a minority you would be singing a different tune.

    Oh, oh, you wanna rob me? Let me check your web page, make sure your not some kind of good kid that I should let you.

  • Dadzilla

    Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

  • JimH

    1. Sherm Stick 277 up, 69 down love it hate it

    a joint which has been dipped in “embalming fluid”. most people call it embalming fluid but in truth, it’s PCP which is something different. when smoked it produces a hallucinogenic high where a lot of the time you lose control of yourself.
    yo mamma smokes sherm sticks

    More here. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sherm+Stick

    This is one of the things that keep me up at night. I live right on the edge of town and there is a near continues stream of stoned stupid teens walking by my house from the trailer park down the road, on they way to the main part of town. They break into homes all over town to steal stuff to pay for their pot and meth. The house I live in used to be one of the places that they broke into to hang out in and they arnt happy that i fixed it up and moved in. I get tagged twice a month or so and always paint it over a fast as i can. The little buttheads get braver and braver. The cops wont do anything because the judge wont do anything even if they did make an arrest. So here i sit, unable to do anything either, but wait until they either grow up and hopefully move away. Or Screw up and overdose or get shot in a home robbery. If they break into my place, and I am home, i will most likely get into trouble. Self defense is a strange thing here. There is always an arrest and there is just no telling how it will come out.

    Yeah, Texas. I lived in Fritch Texas for awhile. Working at the oil refinery. The game wardens wife got up one night to find a couple of teens stealing fire wood out their yard. When she told them to leave one tossed a chunk of wood at her. She shot the little turd muncher dead on the spot. Instead of being called names and being harassed, she was called a hero and giving the praise she deserved.

  • SigFan

    If everything did in fact occur as the report indicates, Mr. Allen did what he was supposed to and should have done. Too bad the kid is dead, I do sympathize with the parents loss, but he should not have been in Mr. Allens place to begin with. And Whistler is right, calling 911 when you’re wrestling with someone trying to take away a loaded weapon is a sure way to get yourself on the casualty list.

  • Pfeh

    I got ninja-posted, guess I’m too slow.

    I’d hardly call myself an expert at illegal drugs. Book (or wikipedia) knowledge only, no practical experience.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    His picture says “______________ pride.” My wife and I are trying to figure out what the first word is. Any ideas?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    And an open and shut case of idiocy on the part of the druggie’s father.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    His picture says “______________ pride.” My wife and I are trying to figure out what the first word is. Any ideas?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    His picture says “______________ pride.” My wife and I are trying to figure out what the first word is. Any ideas?

    None. But the language used is Wigger, a dialect of Ebonics.

    Evidently, the yute is flashing a gang sign and has adopted the mindset, culture and lifestyle of an inner city thug.

    Guess it didn’t work out so well for him.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    This was a text book scenario for defending one’s property.
    You do not have to retreat from your house. Case closed.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Heh.

    Sounds like Shannon and b*tch need to be shot too.

  • jimmypop

    Male
    17 years old
    MUrdErApOLis {612}, Minnesota
    United States

    looks lek we lost another good one to a silly mistake.

  • Richqqq

    I will be watching how the news media spins this one.

  • GrampsWithCramps

    This is a quote from the “Urban Dictionary” website: “Smoking a sherm stick will make you very retarded for several hours. Just try to keep your clothes on.”

    They say that it is a cigarette dipped in formaldahyde (embalming fluid)! You think this thug wasn’t strung out if that’s what he was on?

    Nice try mom and dad … sorry your son is dead, but he was breaking the law and Mr. Allen did what he had to do to protect himself.

  • LoadTheMule

    One less asshole druggie clogging up the courts.

  • Pfeh

    As a side note, in case there are any misconceptions out there – Enbalming Fluid is a street name for liquid PCP.

  • conundrum

    Lets see Romkey Park buddies, Woodrow Wilson High, wondering apt to apt. Any bets that the autopsy will come clean? Parents with their head in the sand and they will state it was his first time. I hope his buddies can sleep well. Sympathy to both families

  • hannahwawetseka

    YEA BUT HE AINT HAVE TO SHOOT HIM LIKE DAT I STILL THINK HE COULD OF HAVE MADE WARNING SHOT I LOVED HIM AND HE DIDNT NEED TO DIE LIKE DAT I FEEL SORRY FOR ALLEN BUT AT THE SAME TIME THINGS COULD HAVE TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY I MISS MY FRIEND I COULDNT GO TO HIS FUNERAL AND SHIT HE WAS COOL AS HELL BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE WANNA DO IS TALK SHIT IF THEY KNO HIM AND DIDNT LIKE HIM ILL UNDERSTAND BUT NAWW ALL YOU BITCHES JUST WANNA START SOMETHING AND HURT HIS FAMILY HIS FAMILY IS INNOCENT AND JOEL MADE A BAD DESISION BUT HEY DIDNT HAVE TO LOOSE HIS LIFE NAW VERNON AINT A MURDERER BUT HE SURE IS A KILLER.

  • hannahwawetseka

    OH AND ANOTHER THING IF HE WALKED IN A COUPLE OTHER APARTMENTS AND THEY GOT HIM OUT SAFELY OBVIOSLY HE WASNT TRYIN TO HURT ANYONE SO WHY COULDNT THE SAME THING HAPPEN IN ALLENS APARTMENT?? WHY WASNT THE DOOR LOCKED?
    WHY DIDNT HE FIRE A WARNING SHOT??
    UHH YOU PEOPLE JUST DISGUST ME!!!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Sorry Hannah, what happened was awful. I doubt the man who shot him is any happier about it than you are. But he had a right to protect himself.

  • hannahwawetseka

    LOOK AT YOU NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT HIM BUT CALLING HIM AN INNER CITY THUG!?!?!
    HMM…. U SOUND A BIT LIKE A PEICE OF SHIT!!

  • hannahwawetseka

    FOR YOU PEOPLE SO EASY TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SHERM STICCz IS A VERY POPULAR SONG DID YOU EVER THINK MAYBE HE WAS QUOTING A SONG?!? YOU PEOPLE DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JOEL! THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE COMMENTING THIS POST IS BECAUSE YOU AE LOW LIVES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT TALK SMACK I BET YOU DIDNT KNOW HE WOULD SING TO ME ON THE FONE WHEN I WAS GOIN THROUGH SHIHT HE WOULD WRITE HIS OWN SONGS GO TO SCHOOL TO GET AN EDUCATION HE WAS THE TYPE OF PERSON TO STICK UP FOR SOMEBODY BEING BULLIED AN BE THERE WHEN YOU NEED A HAND.
    CAN YOU IMAGINE AN ACCIDENT HAPPENING AND HAVE TO JUST SIT THERE AND HEAR ALL THESES LOW LIFE PEICES OF SCUM CALIING YOU NAMES I SURE AS HELL COULDNT!
    THINK TWICE WHEN YOU SAY THINGS THEYLL ALWAYS COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU!
    SO GET A LIFE AND STOP TRASH TALKING A INCREDIBLE PERSON INSIDE AND OUT!
    GET A DAMN LIFE REAL TALK!

  • hannahwawetseka

    YOUR JUST DISGUSTING ROT IN HELL WIT THE REST OF THESES PEICES OF SHIHT TALKING ALL THIS SMACC ABOUT HIM REAL TALK!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Hannah, your friend burst into someone else’s home. He refused to leave and made threatening gestures toward that person. Now, in hindsight, it’s easy to say that maybe the guy in his apartment didn’t have to resort to his gun.

    But in the heat of the moment, how does he know that? All he knows is that he was accosted by an aggressive, unresponsive intruder.

    Your friend never should have put himself in that situation. Actions have consequences.

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