Say Anything Blog

If you don’t want to get shot, don’t drive recklessly or drunk.
Don’t graffiti a wall.
Don’t smoke pot.
Don’t steal a a case of beer from 7-11.

Don’t shoot people in the street, cause some passerby might see, yell “move and your dead” Boom Boom

Would a cop have shot these guys?

Right, Poodle.  Because we as citizens are too stupid to make distinctions between home invasion and graffiti.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Defense of another’s property is not a justification for murder.  He should be in jail for along time.

That’s the type of neighbor I want.

“Hope is not a method.” - Common Military Saying

The above is a statement of pro activity.  If any Soldier were to tell me that he hoped what he was briefing was going to come to fruition, that would be unacceptable.  We in the Army do not have the luxury to ‘hope’ that things will end well.  Hope will get us killed.  Instead, we must plan and take action.  Hope is not a method.

As a leader I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper training.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper logistical supplies.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers will survive the next mission.  Hope is not a method; I live in the real world.

Let me clarify.  He’d look out for me.

“Hope is not a method.” - Common Military Saying

The above is a statement of pro activity.  If any Soldier were to tell me that he hoped what he was briefing was going to come to fruition, that would be unacceptable.  We in the Army do not have the luxury to ‘hope’ that things will end well.  Hope will get us killed.  Instead, we must plan and take action.  Hope is not a method.

As a leader I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper training.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper logistical supplies.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers will survive the next mission.  Hope is not a method; I live in the real world.

Defense of another’s property is not a justification for murder.  He should be in jail for along time.

Right.  Let’s put the people who fight back against the criminals in jail.  That makes sense.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Texas has changed their laws over the past several years. By Texas law I don’t see where he committed a crime.
Texas statutes divide protection into four areas. They include the amount of physical force that can be used to defend:
· the person (self-defense),
· the person’s property,
· others (third parties) and
· the other’s property
The use of deadly force is the element of preventing a crime against the person or property or preventing someone from fleeing after committing specific crimes
The following is a definition of the crimes when deadly force may be used to prevent their imminent commission:
Theft–appropriating unlawfully the property of another with the intent to deprive the owner of the property. The appropriation is unlawful when the owner has not consented or when the property is known to have been stolen.
Says it all right there and it looks as if this gun totin’ neighbor knew his rights.

If a burglar crosses my threshold, he has already demonstrated his malevolent intention and while leaving his rights and his presumption of innocence outside.

The shotgun is only for when the dog is finished.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

The shotgun is only for when the dog is finished.

LOL, ... I prefer, the shoot and feed concept myself

I prefer, the shoot and feed concept myself.

Anna,

Not feed… exercise!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I dunno, I’m all for gun rights, but I think this is vigilantism.  The guys were on somebody else’s property, not his.  I can see brandishing the gun and trying to force them to drop the loot, but heck, even police officers can’t shoot somebody unless threatening someone’s life.

My question is, why did it take the police MORE THAN SEVEN MINUTES to get there??

My question is, why did it take the police MORE THAN SEVEN MINUTES to get there??

Agreed that kind of response time is unnacceptable.

As for Anna’s explanationm of the law he committed no crime in Texas, but isn’t Pasadena in California?
Unless there is another Pasadena in Texas?

As for Shooting burglars who are running away, I don’t think I would, but as for shooting burglars in my house, as many times as it takes.

As for Anna’s explanationm of the law he committed no crime in Texas, but isn’t Pasadena in California?
Unless there is another Pasadena in Texas?

There is a Pasadena, Texas and it is where this situation took place.

This man did the right thing by killing those two scumbags.  They will never burglarize anybody again.  He is the kind of neighbor that I would like to have living near me.  I used to live near there and my house was burglarized twice.  Those kind of burglaries happen frequently in Pasadena and Houston.  He is a hero!

This guys going to jail, no matter how hard he tries to use the recently changed laws to his advantage.

He showed no effort to stop them before killing them. He simply just killed them. 

Folks like you who support this type of behavior are going to start a race war.  But I suppose that is exactly what you hope for.

Furthermore, youre probably the same type of people who love to condemn muslims as savages for killing their wives who commit adultery.

This country is going crazy.  Thanks for leading the way.  Now I know what direction not to move in.

in my opinion, this man is a saint.  If only i had a neighbor that would kill a man for my well being.  take into consideration the neighborhood he lives in, the social standards in Texas, and com eon, what would you have done?  i got a shotgun in my hands and my neighbors gettin robbed.  Plus....these guys were illegal immigrants(i heard) and dont belong here anyways.  when your breaking into a house you have to realize there is a major risk involved.  the man was watching the house for his neighbor, so technicllay it was his property,, right?  right? i woulda shot em dead

But I suppose that is exactly what you hope for.

What a nasty, small minded creature you are! How do you keep from choking on your own bile?

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the social standards in Texas,

Say what?  There’s not much wrong with the social standards in Texas that isn’t worse elsewhere.  Fortunately, Texans have a long history of protecting themselves.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

The use of deadly force is the element of preventing a crime against the person or property or preventing someone from fleeing after committing specific crimes

Anne, as found in my concealed gun permit handbook.  Permit holders have nearly the same deadly force authorizations as the police.  [I think the police can shoot a suspect that is in flight without proof of criminal actions.]

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

It doesn’t matter that they were illegal aliens.  What does matter is that they were aggravated felons, at least one of them.  These aren’t your run of the mill farm workers.  These are the type of criminals that are running amuck all over this country unimpeded by our laws and regulations. There is a case in Las Cruces, NM wherein a college girl was raped, beaten, and then set on fire by one of these illegal aliens.  Now the issue of whether the neighbor was too quick on the draw can be debated, but there should be no debate on what his target was.  Wait till they come to your neighborhood!  These dirtbags come to the U.S. specifically to commit crimes and are members of organizations such as MS-13.  Let’s try and make a distinction between them and avocado pickers and then you can debate the quick on the draw issue.  In any event, he did all of us a big favor, especially all of their previous victims.  Nuff said!

Seriously, this world is coming to its end. Im all for self-defense.
Especially when ones life is in danger, and im all for helping someone out whose life is being harmed by something or someone. But what i dont understand is why this Joe Horn had to go out there and kill these two burglars.... I mean, isnt enough that he called the police? and that the dispatcher clearly told him to stay inside of his house to protect his life and not to put himself out there in danger?
I would understood if the police had kill the guys because ultimately that is they’re job, plus they are professionals and i don’t think that they shot to kill, they shot to stop . And although the burglars were committing a crime, there is no justification to why this Joe horn had to take justice in his own hands, when the burglars weren’t even harming him, and he could have just stay inside of his house to stay out of a dangerous situation like this one! I mean he did good enough by calling the police, he was a good citizen by doing that, but he had no right to kill them, in my book he is a murderer, and one can hear from the recorded call that Joe Horn WANTED to kill these two guys, i mean the guy was dying to go out there and fire his gun!!!
I wasn’t born here, but i have lived here all my life and i do consider myself an American because I am a hard worker, i pay my taxes, i graduated from high school with honors, im going to college, and im representing myself as a successful american, as a immigrant who came here with nothing, and made something out of myself, this is the land where with a dollar and a dream one can do big things, and i am proud to live in this country and i will defend it in a heart beat; but I am Colombian, and these two burglars were also Colombian, so it hurts me to hear things like this happen. And I’m sure that if I was to shoot an american citizen to defend my own life, or to defend someone else’s I will in fact be convicted of murder, why? Because i wasn’t born here, and i wouldn’t have the same rights as Mr. Horn. So seriously, is it about american pride? legal status? Immigration?
NO NO , it is about someone’s LIFE.... since when do we have the right to choose who dies or who lives? last time i checked, that was God’s job!!! I am ashamed to be human and live in this world full of cruelty, where we don’t respect life, where is okay to shoot two people while someone is listening to this happening, and yet the murderer gets away with his decision to shot, oh why?  because he was just being a good citizen and a good neighbor, because he is in fact a hero in someone else’s eyes.... because he was just defending himself when HE, himself decided to go out there!
It is just unbelievable, that something like this can happen in the USA, the land of freedom, the greatest land of them all… This nation is coming to its ends, and in a few years we are just gonna have people killing people JUST BECAUSE.... Let this case slip away, and we will see and suffer the consequences… mark my words!
God have mercy on us.

Yeah “anonymous on December 10, 2007 at 09:02 am”, tell that to the widow and children of this police officer. How quickly we forget!

LINK:  http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2487004&page=1

Cop Killing Sparks Immigration Debate
Police Chief Blames Federal Government for Officer’s Death
Sept. 25, 2006 —

The shooting of a Houston police officer has sparked a new battle over immigration.

Juan Leonardo Quintero, an illegal immigrant, has been charged with killing a Houston police officer last week after a routine traffic stop.

Police Chief Harold Hurtt blamed the federal government for failing to secure U.S. borders.

Quintero allegedly shot Officer Rodney Johnson four times in the head while in handcuffs in the back seat of his patrol car.

Johnson arrested Quintero during a routine traffic stop for speeding but apparently missed the suspect’s gun in a pat-down search.

Following the shooting, a video showed Houston police officers pulling open the back doors of Johnson’s patrol car and yanking the suspect out of the back seat.

“It’s very easy to make a mistake. I am not saying a mistake was made,” one Houston police officer said. “Unfortunately, we are in the business where a mistake can kill you.”

The suspect should not have been in the United States.

Quintero was deported in 2004 after a conviction for indecency with a child.

“The subject was deported, and yet he came back, so if the government fulfilled their responsibility of protecting the border we would probably not be standing here today,” Hurtt said.

The Houston Police Department has been struggling this year to deal with the influx of Katrina evacuees and an immigration problem that is only getting worse.

Border Patrol said thousands of illegal immigrants crossed into the United States each month.

Johnson received a commendation for valor for pulling several children from a burning building.

He leaves behind a wife who is also a police officer and their five children.

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

How did he know they were muslim? That’s the really real question here. Kill all muslims.

So the burglars stole a few MATERIAL things from a home.. Joel Horn stole the LIVES of two people. people who had family and friends. He didn’t even know the story behind these two burglars. How they got where they are.. to take their lives was unnecessary. It’s like capital punishment for breaking and entering.

it’s a hyprocrisy for him to think that since these guys are commiting a crime it’s okay for him to commit an even bigger crime by murdering them.

I’m very surprised about all the opposition against Mr. Horn. What if this was your house? What if they broke into your place and were stealing from you. Would you just sit there or even help them take your things?
You steal you get punished. That’s nature. Try to take a steak out of a tigers mouth and see what happens to you.
Had they had a job or worked like the rest of us
for their money instead of stealing, they would be alive today.
These guys knew exactly what they were doing. You take the ultimate risk you pay the ultimate price.
Simple as that.

I think that these to men are old enough to know better than to burglarize a home. What they did was wrong, but if they were to be caught by the police who should’ve showed up sooner (especially when they knew some redneck had a gun), then these guys would not have been convicted to a death sentence.

Listening to the 911 call, it sounds to me like this redneck isn’t scared, he just wants to shoot some black men. That’s all he wanted to do the entire time.. he was angry… I think he did this for his own selfish reasons.

If these men were trying to hurt him, then I could understand shooting them. But for cryin out loud… all he wanted to do was chase them down. Crazy old man.

Update on story: the Harris County grand jury has cleared all charges against Joe Horn.

The race-baiters above (here and here) will now accuse the jurors of unfounded racism.

That’s one of the hazards of being a burgler, you might get shot. I don’t care if your in the house or in the yard… fire away!!

I don’t know how race or religion came into this debate. There is no doubt in my mind this guy would have shot any burglar. Unless you have some evidence to the contrary, stop with the racist/anti-muslim accusations.
I’m proud to live in Texas.I’m not sure I’d have the balls to stop a burglar coming out of my neighbor’s house, but when they crossed into Mr. Horn’s yard, he was well within state law to defend himself. The bottom line is this:
1. In Texas, you don’t cross another man’s property uninvited or you might get shot.
2. If you do, and he pulls a gun, you freeze and wait for the police.
3. If that bothers you, live somewhere else.

Thanks,
-Jordan

I don’t know how race or religion came into this debate.

Any time there is a race baiting “liberal” around, they’re going to bring up race and then berate everybody else for the racism that only they are practicing.