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Hate crimes (in NY anyway) require a victim. Which was the victim, the toilet or the book?

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

The victims, Tim, were all of us.

/sarcasm

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Were these library books or were they his personal copies to do with as he wished?  I believe that the only “crime” you could accuse him of is clogging the crapper (obstruction of justice).

Pace University has no records of any previous hate crimes occurring

Could the lack of any hate crime records have anything to do with the fact that no one made a fuss over such juvenile behavior or at the very most they went on the monetary value of the loss?
Where will they draw the line as to what constitutes hate crime? If someone assaults their spouse’s gay lover, or bi or 20 years younger mistress ( you get my point) is that a hate crime? What if I finally lose it when the boys in suits knock at my door and I throw their hand full of religious literature to the ground, can I be charged for a hate crime?
Seems to me most misbehavior or crimes are committed for some reason of hate.

Hate crime in NY requires the commission of crimes (such as criminal mischief or aggravated harassment, as is the case here) along with the targetting of the victim based on a number of factors (religion here).

It doesn’t seem like a specific person was targetted here (which also happens to a necessary element for aggravated harassment). For criminal mischief, the accused has to intentionally destroy another’s property. So this will pretty much turn on whether or not that Koran belonged to someone else. If it didn’t, then the prosecutor is trying this case for purely political reasons, which is disgusting.

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Of all the nit-picky… what a waste of taxpayer time. Even so, the defendant was probably one of those kids who just HAD to touch the burner to see if his hand really would get burnt. I think that dude needs a part-time job.

Heavy, you dawg! You beat me to it. If these Qur’ans belonged to Mr Shmulevich(and spellcheck is going crazy over that name) then he can do with them as he pleases. Unless there is a local ordinance against placing printed materials in toilets in those locales. Then he should pay the $35 fine and get a stern talking to about properly desecrating Islamic holy works.

What the hell are they teaching kids these days?!?!?!?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2H9,

If he’d just smeared them with porcine feces or blood, or merely soaked / immersed them in porcine urine it would have been art (or what passes for art in some places).

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

As a test, someone should throw a bible into a toilet just to see what those assine Pace officials would do.  I suspect they would totally ignore the incident.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave, EXACTLY!

docdave
your comments close proximity to randy grapes comment makes me think you can’t read. do you recall the christian whining and hubub surrounding the art exhibit that featured a virgin mary with elephant dung breasts? ...despite the fact that the culture the artist was from cooks with (fuel) and basically lives off elephant dung… and were probably brow beaten into Christianity by marauding missionaries.

anna
docdave rarely, if ever, earns an ‘exactly’.

Why would it happen in Syria? You can get a hooker from the airport in Damascus.

As I recall, spark, that work of “art” was funded with Federal Tax dollars, displayed in a public, tax payer funded museum, and vigorously defended as 1st Amendment protected free speech by the ACLU. All this guy has to do is say it is art.

So lets us make a statue of Mohammad, holding the Qur’an, out of pig shit. See how much Federal Endowment for the Arts money we can get. And how fast the ACLU beats a path to our door to defend our right to do so.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

You can probably find hookers in Mecca too, Graeme.  What’s your point?  That Syria isn’t an extremist state?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Assad is a moderate Shia controlling a Sunni majority country. Religion isn’t big in Syria. Unlike the most fundamentalist country in the region, Saudi Arabia, who we are trying to sell WMDs, Syria is full of alcohol and pussy- a westerns dream. Prostitution is risking business in SA. Mecca makes Tehran seem like sin city.

Oh, right.  And Saddam was a secular leader who kept the trains running on time.

I’m still waiting to hear a point.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Personally, I don’t have a problem with people burning flags or desecrating bibles.  As long as my tax dollars aren’t funding it as “art” and they aren’t infringing on the rights of others (such as impeding traffic, trespassing, etc.) I say let them do it.

By the way, if this is protected free speech:

So is this:

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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for the most part, I agree Rob.

I should add, my point wasn’t that Syria has a great government, it was that Syria is not a fundamentalist Islamic country. That is true. Is it a dictatorship, sure, but it isn’t a Islamic dictatorship. It is actually quite tolerant when it comes to religion.

Graeme - Mecca makes Tehran seem like sin city.

I wouldn’t know. I’m not allowed anywhere near “Mecca”. The city of the evil religion does not allow my kind.

Rodney Graves beat me to the punch on this one but his point is worth repeating....

The guy should have called it art and there’s no way he could be charged. After all, if a crucifix in a jar of urine (I think it was the psuedo artist Maplethorpe who came up with that one)is protected as freedom of expression why wouldn’t a piece that displays a koran in the crapper?

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It’s hard to tell who’s the liberal and who’s the conservative anymore.

To interpret the right to free speech as enabling a hate organization like the KKK is a pretty liberal interpretation.

The rights to free speech and freedom of the press were intended to give Americans the right to speak out and write when they didn’t agree with what the government was doing.

They were not intended to give anyone the right to insult their neighbors, use obscene or disrespectful language, incie a riot, publish pornography, burn the American flag, or spew venom about any group of people. The intent of the Constitution is to give the majority of the Citizens the power while protecting the rights of the few and the weak.

Any other interpretation is a contrived liberal interpretation and is the reason we have so many social problems today. The KKK is a blatant example of this.

The other right not mentioned is freedom of religion. Anyone who would throw a Koran or Bible into a toilet is not an American.

Respect your freedom or lose it.

It’s hard to tell who’s the liberal and who’s the conservative anymore. Actually, it isn’t.  Those who support and defend individual independence, as described in the US Constitution, are the Conservatives.  Those who would impose collectivist schemes on everyone are the “liberals"(lefties).

To interpret the right to free speech as enabling a hate organization like the KKK is a pretty liberal interpretation.  Burning the US flag is pretty hateful, don’t you think?  If we allow that, why not the KKK?  Or is your “freedom” just for lefties?

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

ews48 - To interpret the right to free speech as enabling a hate organization like the KKK is a pretty liberal interpretation.

“Liberal” or literal? It looks to be a literal interpretation.

They were not intended to give anyone the right to insult their neighbors, use obscene or disrespectful language, incie a riot, publish pornography, burn the American flag, or spew venom about any group of people.

How do you know?

The intent of the Constitution is to give the majority of the Citizens the power while protecting the rights of the few and the weak.

Since when? Where do you see the protections of “the rights of the few and the weak”? I don’t see anything in the U.S. Constitution giving special protection to any such groups of people.

Any other interpretation is a contrived liberal interpretation and is the reason we have so many social problems today. The KKK is a blatant example of this.

The other right not mentioned is freedom of religion. Anyone who would throw a Koran or Bible into a toilet is not an American.

So the KKK is out of bounds, but we are to respect Islam. That makes no sense.

Respect your freedom or lose it.

What a bold claim. Who made you the determiner of what is acceptable freedom?

Wow! This is another one of those “crimes” that don’t really deserve the title of “crime”. Especially anywhere in the USA. Does this not fall under freedom of religion ??? It is a crime that anyone would make this into a crime. Islamic jihadists have attacked our country. It seems appropriate to want to throw the Koran in the can. It appears to be another liberal, socialist, politically correctness at work once again…

ews: Doesn’t it seem logical to you that if we can express our hatred for the USA by burning the American Flag, then we can also express our hatred for Islam by throwing the Koran in the toilet?  Free speech rights are for unpleasant speech; no one has a problem with pleasant speech. If burning the Flag isn’t a “hate crime”, why should throwing the Koran in the toilet be a “hate crime”?
In the leftie mind, any act against one of their favored groups is a “crime”, while acting against what they don’t like is OK.  Think about it.  They are OK with hatred against the USA, but not against Muslims.  Makes you wonder whose side they’re on, doesn’t it?
Does anyone care about mistreatment of the Bible?

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Robert 108...A hate crime usually falls under the hate for and against another person crime. Does it not?

ZZ: This example would seem to go against that interpretation, no?  In fact, “hate crime” is thought crime; welcome to 1984!

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

welcome to 1984!

You’re invocation of 1984 is hilarious since this is the most secretive, intrusive, power hungry administration in our history. 

They also do double speak on par with anybody.  The “Clean Skies” act, because having the Clean Air Act ensure clean air at ground level was just to problematic.

Hawk: Thanks for the off-topic, mindless, Dem talking points.  It’s actually the Dem Congress that is power-hungry.  Not satisfied with acquiring control of the Legislative Branch, they are trying to usurp both the Executive and Judicial Branches, with their totalitarian investigative scheme and their tactic of setting perjury traps.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

....and their tactic of setting perjury traps.
robert108 on July 29, 2007 at 09:15 am

Robert108 do you really think that Alberto Gonzales was trapped?
Do you believe that he is telling the truth?

e: Let me ‘splain it to you:  If you launch an investigation for purely political purposes, since no crime was committed here, then you can continue to question someone until you find some inconsistency in their testimony, which produces the perjury charge.  Since this investigation should not even be taking place(the Chief Executive has the right to fire any employee he wants to fire), this is a trap.
I’m sure if I questioned Chucky Shumer for a long enough time, I could catch him in some falsehood eventually, but since there would be no crime that is being “covered up”, what’s the purpose, other than political dirty tricks?  That’s what is meant by a “perjury trap”.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

I’m sure if I questioned Chucky Shumer for a long enough time, I could catch him in some falsehood eventually

If his lips are moving he’s lying.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I understand what you meant. My question s to you were different though. Now If a person is telling the truth IMHO he/she will recite the same facts concerning their side of the story. It is my experience in life, that a person changes their story concerning an issue only if lies were/are uttered. Now quit pussyfooting around and answer these questions: Do you really think that Alberto Gonzales was trapped?
Do you believe that he is telling the truth? Whether a crime was committed or not is irrelevant. Only telling the truth matters.

Sparkie the Moron Wrote:

do you recall the christian whining and hubub surrounding the art exhibit that featured a virgin mary with elephant dung breasts?

You’ve got to be completely ignorant to see any connection between the taxpayers being forced to pay for that kind of art with someone being charged with a felony for throwing their own Koran in the toilet.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Do you really think that Alberto Gonzales was trapped? Do you believe that he is telling the truth? Whether a crime was committed or not is irrelevant. Only telling the truth matters.

You’re missing the point; AG shouldn’t be questioned in the first place, since there is no legal reason to do so.  Get it?
The point of all this Dem crap is to make political war on the Bush Administration through the legal system, since they failed to win the Presidential election.  This is typical leftie stuff.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

e: In case that was too complex for you, here is the short version:

No crime, no need for an “investigation”.
I do think that AG’s very first answer to their first question in this uncalled-for “investigation” should have been:  “None of your goddamned business!”, but that’s just me.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Hawk - They also do double speak on par with anybody.  The “Clean Skies” act, because having the Clean Air Act ensure clean air at ground level was just to problematic.

Do you actually have an argument against that or is this just one of those things that you say?

likwid: It’s just typical leftie emospeak.  It’s designed to stir up emotions, not to make sense.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

If a person is telling the truth IMHO he/she will recite the same facts concerning their side of the story.

Memories are fallible.  Also they can compare your fallible memory with other people’s fallible memories and find a discrepancy.  Instant political crime.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

As a test, someone should throw a bible into a toilet just to see what those assine Pace officials would do.  I suspect they would totally ignore the incident.

Good point. I would be willing to bet that no one would care.

You’re invocation of 1984 is hilarious since this is the most secretive, intrusive, power hungry administration in our history. 

They also do double speak on par with anybody.  The “Clean Skies” act, because having the Clean Air Act ensure clean air at ground level was just to problematic

Its the same old crap that Schummer, Kennedy, Clinton, Dean and the other leftard morons have been spewing. It will be interesting to see what is written about a democratic administrtaion if and when they get elected.

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Burn an American flag: police protection.

Create the Virgin Mary in elephant dung: New York museum exhibit and fame.

Live performance of inserting a crucifix in your anus: National Endowment for the Arts Grant.

Mass burning of Holy Bibles: Merit New York Times publicity attention.

Koran in the toilet: 2 felony charges?

Pfft… you thought I was going to insert “priceless” in there huh?  Nah… right now I can think of more substantial places to insert “priceless”
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Anna wrote:

Burn an American flag: police protection.

Create the Virgin Mary in elephant dung: New York museum exhibit and
fame.

Live performance of inserting a crucifix in your anus: National
Endowment for the Arts Grant.

Mass burning of Holy Bibles: Merit New York Times publicity
attention.

Koran in the toilet: 2 felony charges?

Pfft… you thought I was going to insert “priceless” in there huh?
Nah… right now I can think of more substantial places to insert
“priceless”
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My only quibble with what this gentleman has done is that the Koran’s in question were the property of the University (not from their library, mind you, which I would consider a more serious breach, but from the “Meditation Rooms” which the University has created and provisioned for the followers of the Brigand, thief, pedophile, rapist, despoiler of barnyard animals revered as a “prophet") vice the property of the “artist.”

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Correction of my previous comment.

If as Rodney says that this guy threw the University’s Koran in the toilet then he should be punished the same as throwing another book into the toilet.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Anna,

Oh, and I meant to say “Well Said.”

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

sparkless scribbled earlier:

docdave
your comments close proximity to randy grapes comment makes me think you can’t read. do you recall the christian whining and hubub surrounding the art exhibit that featured a virgin mary with elephant dung breasts? ...despite the fact that the culture the artist was from cooks with (fuel) and basically lives off elephant dung… and were probably brow beaten into Christianity by marauding missionaries.

Just who was charged with felony offenses in the incidents of Christian items being desecrated as “art” alluded to?  An obvious point which is equally obviously beyond your mental grasp.

anna
docdave rarely, if ever, earns an ‘exactly’.

Far more often, and far more deservedly, than you, sparkless.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

I would think the punishment is paying for the book and any other fine that may be added as if you had lost it. Besides, I am confident that it was an accident. I mean they can’t prove the guy wasn’t ..um, well sitting there chanting the 5 a day prayer ritual in an attempt to better understand the religion and “oops!” it dropped in and the poor guy simply panicked is all.

If we do not get a person into office who will defend our rights, we are all looking at jail time for many unconstitutional arrests.

Vote Pete Grasso 2008 (http://www.GrassoForPresident.com)

Debra…
of
InformingChristians [dot com]

whether people are bleating about the koran or the virgin mary, i could give a finer fuck. its all socialist rabble rousing. its an appeal for special fucking rights for a special little group on a fluctuating basis and that’s the socialist M.O.

no one deflects the charge either. i point out they are all christian whiners, about the virgin, about the commandments in public, and so forth… and they go on whining. close minded fuckers. if you are agitating on behalf of your ‘special group’ all you christian wacknips, whine not about hate crimes. you are just disappointed you can’t lock up muslims for disrespecting the bible and the jews and the president. one sided bullshit is what it is. the only person with clout so far in this thread is rob, IMO.

DebraJMSmith, It doesn’t matter who is in “office”. What is the matter is ACLU, CHRO, IFHHRO, HCROA, WOLA, AOHR, CAIR, etc. have control of the “office”

anna
christians who bleat for special treatment (like being the only religion with publicly funced shrines) are not different than the atheists who bleat (ACLU) - they are all socialist agitators.
note: you will hear SA readers gripe about the government spending money on anything but guns and public religious shrines. like al Qaeda.

Nice attack job Sparkie, apparently you are unable to defend your comparison between Christians not liking be forced to pay for desecration of their religious items with throwing someone in jail for years for desecrating someone else’s religious article.

Pretty much shows who the “close (sic) minded fucker” doesn’t it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

you will hear SA readers gripe about the government spending money on anything but guns and public religious shrines. like al Qaeda.

The government hasn’t bought me any guns sparkless, but it is their responsibility to provide for the national defense as any retard (except you) should know.

We also aren’t into murdering those who desecrate religious shrines like Islamic countries.  Al Qaeda isn’t a government which is another thing Sparkie’s clueless on. 

Pretty much shows Sparkless’s mentality as he’s comparing peaceful Christians with Al Qaeda and Islamic Fundamentalist Governments.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

whistler
you paid for the elephant dung to be glued to the virgin mary? my ass you did. the f**king christians see no problem putting their commandments in MY F**KING PUBLIC SPACE!!! see any problems? self serving CUNTS who think their morality and way of life should be forced on everyone. they are stupid to boot - who would ever believe all that fairy tale BS? those people are liable to believe any bullshit and yet we wont elect a president unless he feigns a belief in bullshit? c’mon folks. if we’re doomed, it in that vein (lauded stupidity) and not the ACLU.
i am anti-censorship in a room full of fucking victorians.

e: In case that was too complex for you, here is the short version:
No crime, no need for an “investigation”.
I do think that AG’s very first answer to their first question in this uncalled-for “investigation” should have been:  “None of your goddamned business!”, but that’s just me.
robert108 on July 29, 2007 at 09:49 am

Then Robert108a ccording to your logic, B. Clinton when questioned about Monica Lewinsky should have answered: “None of your goddamned business where I put my dick!” Therefore that investigation was also uncalled for. But that’s just me.

Sparkie Arbuckle
For your sake,I am just thankful that ACLU hasn’t tried abolishing DMHS. I am afraid if they did, I wouldn’t hold out much hope for your future .. plus I’d kinda miss seeing those short buses drive by.

you paid for the elephant dung to be glued to the virgin mary? my ass you did.

First of all there wasn’t glue involved.  I don’t know that there has been US Tax money given in the Elephant dung, but the National Endowment for the Arts has funded things anti religious items with my tax money.  So the point stands.

To compare that with an usually small religious items in courthouses (donated of course) is absolutely bone numbingly stupid, something I’ve come to expect from you.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Then Robert108a ccording to your logic, B. Clinton when questioned about Monica Lewinsky should have answered: “None of your goddamned business where I put my dick!” Therefore that investigation was also uncalled for. But that’s just me.
ellinas on July 29, 2007 at 06:01 pm

Of course Ellinas you’re wrong again.  Bill Clinton did not commit perjury in the Whitewater investigation.  He lied in a deposition in a civil sexual harassment hearing.  (Which he settled for a million dollars I believe so he’s guilty). 

The questioning of Monica Lewinsky was in bounds because the plaintiff needed to prove that this was standard behavior because otherwise it was a he said/she said thing.  So he lied under oath which is perjury (not what Scooter Libby did BTW.)

When the plaintiff discovered an act of perjury they were obligated to turn it over to the proper authorities which turned out to be (the special prosecutor). 

You’d think that someone who pretends to be a cop would be more aware of the law and current events.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

anna
watch your mouth or i’ll burn down your trailer (JK, of course) - and you won’t be a victim… or so you assert elsewhere…

Hi Anna… I agree with you that many organizations have hurt our country. But a Godly man in office who is not scared to change things for the better, would help us tremendously. ...Debra

debrajsmith
a romney fan, eh?

You’d think that someone who pretends to be a cop would be more aware of the law and current events.
The Whistler

Whistler as of July 17 2007 I am a retired peace officer.
Furthermore your petty personal attack is just that: A petty prsonal attack.
When I watch the hearings on C-SPAN and see Alberto squirm like a worm, change his story,etc, etc, then I know that the A.G. of the USA is not telling the truth. And that bugs me. As far as Paula Jones’ lawsuit against Clinton I have one thing to say:"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

Oh bite your tongue, Sparkie!

I am for a true Godly man, Pete Grasso.

(He is an Independent: http://www.GrassoForPresident.com)

But a Godly man in office who is not scared to change things for the better, would help us tremendously. ...Debra
DebraJMSmith on July 29, 2007 at 05:54 pm

There is no such thing as a Godly man who is not scared, because if he were truly Godly he would have the fear of God in him.

Hi ellinas,

It is true that wisdom begins with “The fear of the Lord” because He can cast a soul into hell. However, once a person is in Christ, that person does not have to fear God anymore.

But, I think your point is well taken, that you are meaning the reality of what God could allow to happen to America if “His” people do not turn to Him and repent. He does chasen His own.

Debra…

I am a retired peace officer.

Sure you are. 

As far as Paula Jones’ lawsuit against Clinton I have one thing to say:"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

I suppose you have proof of that or did you make that (that Paula Jones was scorned) up too?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Sparkie Arbuckle, One can only be a victim if one is innocent in the first place.
In this case, one made himself the accelerator and the other was the fou et à lumiere ... the mere fool and a flame.

Pace owes this young man a refund. He taught them a lesson.

I suppose you have proof of that or did you make that (that Paula Jones was scorned) up too?
The Whistler on July 29, 2007 at 06:35 pm

Yes I have proof. Witness the nose and boob job she got prior to divorcing her husband. Also witness her whining when the conservative group that was behind her dropped her like a hot potato.

God is my witness. I dislike lying AG’s of the USA.

So Ellinas has no proof besides character assassination. 

On the other hand BJ Clinton paid a million dollars to Paula Jones so it seems likely that Paula was telling the truth. 

Add to that the fact that Bill Clinton lied about his activity to cover up his sexual harassment and was found guilty by a judge and permanently lost his law license over the matter.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Now as far as this Koran in the toilet goes I believe that those directly involved are overreacting.
This Stanislav Shmulevich (propably a Polish Jew) threw the koran in the toilet. Big deal. Charge the little imp with public nuisance (for attempting to plugg a toilet) even though he was putting the Koran in the toilet to rub the muslims the wrong way.

How is it charecter assasination mentioning her boob and nose job that were payed by the Rutherford Institute, the conservative legal foundation that took responsibility for paying Jones’ legal bills?
The only one doing character assasination here is you dear Whistler.

What does the plastic surgery have to do with her being scorned and what does that have to do with her charges not being valid (and hence the charges against Clinton being valid?)

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

What does the plastic surgery have to do with her being scorned......
The Whistler on July 29, 2007 at 07:21 pm

Whistler if you are blind and can’t see, I cannot heal you, for God has not endowed me with the ability to perform miracles.
Sorry buddy.