If I am not mistaken, President Obama once promised to reform the Federal Government. Get rid of “business as usual” by enforcing transparency and accountability. How do you enforce those virtues when you don’t take the time to do it?

As the Federal Government takes on more responsibility, they also increase their control over the citizens. Because of this, their decisions have to contain more details. Hence the 1,000 page legal documents they sign. Because these documents will drastically change our lives (for better or worse), they need to be reading them. Each and every Senator and Representative must fully read and comprehend the documents that they are voting to sign. If this means debates and discussions, they must do so. If they are not familiar with the entire “contract” that they are signing, they should not vote for it. This isn’t a phone bill. This is our lives. We’re paying you people good money to do the right thing. Make sure you know what you are doing.

He’ll get it done this term.

I agree there will be some form of healthcare reform bill in the next 8 weeks or 8 months. But, a growing coalition of republicans and blue dog democrats will substantially alter what is currently on the table.

Late last week, more than 35 moderate Democrats raised their concerns with Mrs. Pelosi, writing in a letter that the measure didn’t do enough to shield small businesses from higher costs and urged steps be taken to increase payments for health-care providers in rural areas. The lawmakers said “significant progress” would be needed on those issues. “We cannot support a final product that fails to do so,” they said. Similar complications are blocking progress on companion measures in the Senate.

Moderate Democrats also are wary of the House leadership’s consideration of a plan to finance the legislation with surtaxes on the wealthy, congressional aides said. Rep. John Tanner, a moderate from Tennessee, suggested more work needs to be done to find budget savings, instead of raising taxes. He said in an interview that the more “you can wring out of the system” in savings, “the less money you have to raise.”

Pelosi is busy trying to prevent public disclosure of the split in democrat ranks.

A House bill is expected to be released Tuesday, but concerns voiced by moderate Democrats prompted party leaders to delay release of details over the weekend and have spurred a round of high-level meetings on Capitol Hill to corral the restive members. With few Republicans, if any, expected to support the legislation, Democrats, who control the chamber with a 255-178 majority, can’t afford major defections in their ranks. They need 218 votes to ensure passage.

Add to that the recent polls showing that a growing number of Americans are having second thoughts about nationalized healthcare, and we have the ‘stuff’ of politics.

Hate to burst your bubble, Dino, but we have not arrived at your liberal utopia by any stretch. Most Americans just aren’t as dumb as you are.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124749904509233201.html

And, by newly enacted law, you cannot in 34 states, with more to come.

Camel’s nose is on our side. And just wait until the Supreme Court nullifies all 34 of those laws plus any new ones. That may take a while but is inevitable.

Go on, tell me it won’t happen like you probably didn’t believe Obama would get elected.

but over the long haul we have moved very little and very slowly to the left.

Really? Very little? LOL, you better check that! By your own admission we have passed Medicare, Medicaid, and expanded SCHIP. Before that there was Social Security, civil rights, women’s rights. Now gay rights. All done with strong opposition from conservatives who lost every last battle.

I don’t care where the pendelum swings. When it swings left those are the changes that last for centuries if not forever.

we can marry in 6 states!

And, by newly enacted law, you cannot in 34 states, with more to come.

There are many ‘progressive’ issues that bubble to the top now and then and have their moment in the sun, but over the long haul we have moved very little and very slowly to the left.

Remember that we already have several federal health-care programs – Medicare, Medicade, sChip and Prescription Coverage – all hammered out by centrist democrats and republicans.

Did they do it right? Probably, because the far left and far right are most unhappy with the outcomes.

What you can’t fathom because of your blinding bias and rage is that the majority of Americans are centrists. Thus the pendulum swings to the right and then back and swings to the left and then back… but always to the center.

How is forcing one man to work and then take his money to give to another man an achievement?

As I’ve pointed out here so many times, you people who think you pay in and don’t take back are kidding yourselves or are deluded. I’ve trapped a few of you already. The loud complainers about having theirs taken and given away who, as it turns out, have been takers all along. They’ve just rationalized their taking as justified. You are no exception.

Further, all evidence suggests that public plans fail to deliver what they promise.

That’s not the experience in any of countries that offer a public option in addition to the private one. And what “evidence” do you speak of? Has it been tried and I didn’t hear about it? No, you’re merely speculating and posing that as the truth.

Why don’t you try to fix what’s broke?

Obama and the democrats are trying and they will succeed, if not this year then next. Momentum is on their side. Your side is obstructing to keep them from creating something that will endear them to the American people for a very long time. That’s very bad for the republicans. So instead of doing the right thing and offering anything constructive, they obstruct, pandering to a sliver of the population who want to see failure in everything due to their losses at the ballot box, like the people who make up the majority here. It’s a tantrum, it’s not very attractive and will damage the already shrinking support for republicans.

As I’ve pointed out here so many times, you people who think you pay in and don’t take back are kidding yourselves or are deluded.

Of course their is a proper role of government. And as such, I pay in and take back out. For example, I don’t get attacked by other countries because I pay in for my national Defense. Further, I get to have my kids, and perhaps more importantly all people’s kids, educated. I pay in and then I take out.

But serious Dino, where does it end? At what point is what I earn mine? At what point is it understood that not all people get to have BMWs? Or eat sushi? Or have air conditioning? At what point is a man able to look another man in the face and say “If you want it, earn it”?

Obama and the democrats are trying

But they aren’t. What they are doing is letting it stay broke and forcing the rest of us onto a system that they think will “work around” it.

Social Security, civil rights, women’s rights. Now gay rights. All done with strong opposition from conservatives who lost every last battle.

you may wanna check out who was for and who was against blacks… algores daddy wasnt too keen on letting them off his plantation.

Further, I get to have my kids, and perhaps more importantly all people’s kids, educated.

But if you didn’t have kids you’d resent paying for it. I pay for schools and don’t use them. Never will. Send me a check. Educate your own kids.

But seriously pino, where does it end? I subsidize your kids by giving you an exemption for having them (basically paying you to fuck), subsidize your mortgage exemption giving them a place to grow up, pay to educate them for 18 years, then I have to help subsidize their college loans. Not all kids need new schools or new desks or even a house to grow up in much less a college education. Let their parents rent and pay their taxes like they should.

Then of course there’s the subsidizing of their health care. Most plans charge the same for one kid or five meaning we single people help pay for your families. Then there’s the high cost of obstetrics, one of the biggest contributors to health care costs that we all subsidize to keep it affordable for your wives to keep pumping the little turds out.

At what point do we single people, who make up over 50% of households, say enough, if you want them pay for them yourself? If we made you pay the actual costs of the services and resources you use, you’d scream.
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WillHuntForGOvernmentContracts chimes in with his nut job paranoia. Must have been a good week of taking Obama’s stimulus money to build roads.

Hey, why not make a statement and tell your construction company to refuse all Obama money? After all, he’s illegitimate.