Life Is Tough. It’s Tougher When You’re Stupid

This dash camera video from a South Carolina State Trooper’s unit is a little long but worth the time.
The moral of the story? Get stupid, get tasered.
Kudos to the Trooper for having as much patience as he did.
Thanks to Jay Tea for this one.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Oh, and by the way, here in Louisiana if someone threatens an officer with a lawsuit in an effort to make him not do his job, it’s crime. It’s called “Public Intimidation.”

    I find that curious. If an officer was in my opinion was breaking the law in his interaction with me I would tell them I would tell them I was going to sue them for what I could.

    Not that that has ever come up with me.

    Now in thinking about it during the typing of this comment I’ve come to the realization the officers is unlikely to change his behavior and that if there’s a case I should sue them afterwards.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    I can just see someone stealing this graphic, which seems appropriate for this thread.

    No other comment.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Pilgrim, you said you’ve been hit by a Tazer before. I’ve not, but I have been shocked by an electric fencer.

    Hurts like heck, but in a second it doesn’t hurt anymore. I would imagine there’s a bit more power behind the tazer.

    Are they similar enough to be compared?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    The Libertarian side of me says that seatbelt should be at the option of the user, not the state. While I was there, Germany dealt with it this way: you could use seat belts – or not.

    But if you didn’t the insurance company didn’t have to cover any of your damage.

    Your right to swing your fist ends at…

    and so on.

    It’s a dangerous thing, ceding too much authority to the state. Very often it is a one-way ratchet that takes a major event, such as a civil war, to win back.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I equate that with forcing a person not to drink, eat excessively, use tobacco, etc… They’re all bad for you, but this is American and we love excesses.

    As long as those excesses affect you and not the rest of us, fine.

    You can’t claim that with seat belts. In the event of a minor crash, there may be no “option” of remaining in the seat for possible control of the vehicle. A seat belt certainly helps in that regard and therefore public safety is a factor here.

  • Hannitized

    This is a reason why we have crime in our state and country because people like this do not respect nor follow the laws. Then they want to be treated as equals. Perfect example here. Irrational people.

    She did not comply, that is true. And I don’t blame the officer for trying to arrest her. I think a taser was a bit over the top, personally.

    But how many of you really view not wearing your seat-belt as a crime?

    Isn’t this more of government interfering in our lives? I would think a republican would feel this way.

    I think at times, people who may be struggling for every dollar should try to avoid getting tickets and sometimes policing people for such nonsense causes more harm than it does good.

    It further perpetuates the perception that people are deliberately being kept down. When I was a young man, I was laid off from a job I had. I went to the unemployment office and had my car ticketed for my registration having just expired. The policeman got quite a scolding from all of the people coming in and out of the department.

    I know I should of had my reg updated, but i had low paying job and I didnt manage my money well as a young man, trying to pay my rent, education and food. I was late on my registration.

    Now, as far as things go in my personal experience, I have always received positive reactions from law enforcement when you show respect and you comply. Sometimes they let you off on simple infractions. Other times, you know they are trying to hit their quota. I have had more positive experiences then negative. So I am not trying to bash law enforcement.

    I do think some (few) policemen abuse their power at times by purposefully targeting disadvantaged individuals. Not because they wan’t to hurt them economically. But I believe that policeman who gave me a ticket in the unemployment office (the first day I showed up to file) was ticked that I had a nice jeep. He probably thought I had a lot of audacity to drive a jeep and be at the unemployment office, and not realizing I was a hard working student trying to advance myself in life. Luckily I succeeded, despite all the set backs.

  • pparets

    LDS:

    The government doesn’t have any right to save us from our own stupidity.

    Well… and this a can of worms… it does and it doesn’t.

    You are so much younger than I :) that you probably can’t remember the auto industry battle to avoid installing seat belts. Seat belts wouldn’t work. People will have to pay more. People won’t wear them. On and on.

    But the states, one after the other, enacted seat-belt laws, including required safety-seats for infants and children, whose ability to make stupid [adult] decisions was limited by their lack of maturity. The number of infant and child deaths and critical injuries dropped substantially.

    Airbags are a miracle. In a crash I sustained about 7 years ago, I stepped out of a totaled wreck. My only ‘injuries’ were my wounded pride and broken glasses, thanks to my airbag.

  • http://eugeneunderground.blogspot.com/ Bob

    Whenever I feel blue, I cheer myself by watching morons getting tased.

    Thanks.

  • Rick James

    You might think some laws are bad, but the proper way to challenge that is through litigation or legislation.

    The truth is, despite the most legally honarable ntentions, “civil disobedence” is still “disobedence.” However, i doubt she was a legal crusarder looking to create a national dialogue on seat belt laws and the rights of guys in “little uniforms.”

  • Hannitized

    If you want laws, then you must obey them or accept the consequences.

    I want laws, I just don’t want BAD laws. I can give you another example. I was the DD for my GF some time ago (old girlfriend). We came to a checkpoint and guess what? I got a f-ing ticket because her Mercedes didn’t have a license plate in the front, only the back. I did, not her, me.

    Do you think I am likely to offer myself as DD for anyone else? Not on your life.

    BTW, my gf paid the ticket of course.

    The point is, sometimes we have stupid laws and it sometimes causes people to ignore them. Going out of your way to enforce stupid laws creates unnecessary strains on relations that are already hard enough to maintain.

    I was thinking of this today: Dr. King told his followers to accept arrest non-violently. She did not submit to arrest. All she had to do was give license, registration and insurance. She refused a lawful order. She was lawless. She is not the exception.

    True, but maybe she felt she was being picked on, and who knows? Maybe she was? I think she was out of line, but IF she had a true grievance, she handled it in the absolute worst way.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Hmmm.

    I thought it might have been someone else, but well, okayyyyyy.

  • Neiman

    1. I agree that Safety Belts is an unacceptable intrusion into our lives, but while it is the law, it must be obeyed or else.

    2. The officer was in the wrong, he screwed around far too long, he let things get too far out of control. When I first left the Marine Corps I was a police officer for three years, I was trained by an officer that was always the gentleman and once he warned someone he would take action, after the next refusal he would have pulled her down, hand cuffed her and then returned to acting like a gentleman. But, the situatiuon would never have taken so long or allowed this woman to get so far out of control.

    3. RZ is right that this woman as are many younger people today, completely disrespectful of the law, thinking they are pivileged for one reason or another and in this case she already threatened to sue. She deserved arrest, she deserves time behind bars to teach her to obey lawful orders by a police officer.

  • Hannitized

    Hanna…live in Ohio? I hate front plates but we have to have them.

    No….Hawaii. But they don’t have a lot to do here, so sometimes they getcha on the small stuff. I think it was quota time, and so they picked on the DD instead of rewarding my actions with a warning.

    Watching likwid twist to find a way to make seat-belt laws justifiable is interesting.

    I fell asleep at the wheel when i was going to school, working and surfed that day. I didnt wear a seat-belt, and I flew off a cliff, rolled my brand new Mitsubishi Montero every which way you could. Totaled the car, but maintained my position in the car, without any injury. (never even came close to driving while sleepy since then, btw)

    I don’t think his seat-belt theory is very accurate.

  • Pilgrim

    I ewspecially liked the part where she told him that his little suit didn’t mean anything and he had no right to tell her anything at all.

    Well, uh, wrong. That “little suit” and the commission that accompanies it gives him the lawful authority to enforce the law.

    As she discivered, much to her chagrin. Oh, and by the way, here in Louisiana if someone threatens an officer with a lawsuit in an effort to make him not do his job, it’s crime. It’s called “Public Intimidation.”

    She would have been charged with it had it been me who was the arresting officer.

  • Hannitized

    Likwid on race and crime:

    Black chick, tased and ticketed for not cooperating and not wearing seatbelt.

    What a rude and ignorant bitch. Serves her right.

    Wear your seat belts. In the event of a minor crash, being buckled up can mean the difference between keeping control of the vehicle versus losing control and endangering more lives. There is no “freedom” to go unbuckled on our shared highways. If people don’t like that, then they can sit their asses in the backseat where most state seat belt laws do not apply.

    White dude, arrested for DRUG CHARGES:

    If he was in prison for any serious crime, I would be against this. But he’s not.

    Rather, this man is in prison for America’s puppet show; a country that ironically insists that they have learned the lesson.

    Can you imagine Likwid saying that about a black man? I can’t.

  • Pilgrim

    Sally,

    I have no idea about the origins of the law but much of the law here uses some common sense (surprisingly) that you don’t find elsewhere.

    Example: You can’t arrest anyone under 10 years of age. It’s called the age of culpability. That’s saying it automatically gives a child the presumption that they don’t understand the nature of committing a crime. I see articles all the time where someone somewhere arrests a six or seven year old.

    Flip side of that – you will be charged as an adult here at 17, not 18 like everywhere else. Luoisina law figures that at 17 you know damn well what you’re doing and you lose the protected status of being a juvenile. No catch and release. Jail.

    So….things are different down here in a variety of ways.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Move_Zig. Excellent points. Our Governor also tried to get the legislation written so that the officer could report and the results be admitted in court as to if or not the person was belted at the time of the accident. It did not pass that way. Germany? I remember having to be belted, but I was renting a car. I have the handbook here and will recheck that law.

  • pparets

    Chief RZ: I do not disagree with you in the slightest, however the fact remains… they do save lives.

  • Pilgrim

    Oh, and Whistler:

    I find that curious. If an officer was in my opinion was breaking the law in his interaction with me I would tell them I would tell them I was going to sue them for what I could.

    The law in Louisiana also states very clearly that you have the right to resist an unlawful arrest. If the arrest is being made in bad faith or with illegal intent then restistance can be lawfully warranted here. One of a few states where that applies.

    BUT…if it is a lawful arrest, then the law about public intimidation applies.

    And sorry for the type-o’s in the last post. Much distraction at that moment.

  • pparets

    “SEAT BELTS SAVE LIVES” One of those very rare instances when the government is actually telling the truth.

  • Pilgrim

    Hannitized:

    That officer’s options had expired. The only other way to make her comply with his orders to place her hands behind her back and submit to arrest would have been to physically mke her comply.

    That would have meant wrestling with her and she – or maybe the officer as well – probably would have gotten hurt. The taser hurts but doesn’t harm, if you get my meaning. I’ve been shot by one. Right in the back. Trust me, I know what it feels like.

    It will make you re-think resisting like she was doing.

  • Pilgrim

    Another tunnel vision afflicted person heard from:

    Tracking down and capturing a murder or preventing serious crimes does not generate money. And as a good little public servant, Barney Fife dressed in his monkey suit needs to meet his ticket quota and bring in his share of revenue. .

    Those of us who tend libertarian and are pro chocie have a difficult time when some over baering zealot uses his power in an abusive manner.

    I’d like to see you call that Trooper “Barney Fife” to his face. Oh, and tell him all about his “monkey suit” while you’re at it, big boy.

    She didn’t get tased for not wearing a seatbelt. She got tased for non-compliance to a police officer’s lawful orders.

  • Neiman

    Wetback: Under one thread you demonstrate your Jewish hatred and here, using this silly street patter, you are showing your hatred for people of color. I recall your hatred for homosexuals. Man, is there anyone or anything you do not blindly hate?

  • WETBACK

    you weren’t wearing your seat belt, show me your papers. are there any drugs in your car? No. Mind if I search. Yes, take that Zap. lol

    Come on the black lady be picked on, just cause she black. does that make her a criminal? Seat belt, It’s a stupid law I tells ya. I tell ya, they ought to be a revolt against that dang law.

    It be all about the dollar, it be all wrong I tell ya. The lady she say: what the hell, and the white pig go tazzer happy. It be all wrong from the beginning I tell ya.

    These cops, they be hit hard for things they do that was necessary, and they be hitting hard for something unnecessary.

    It be all wrong from the begging I tell ya.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    pparets. I agree, but so do many other things. At some point, the individual must make the choice themselves. A law requiring seatbelts will not, however insure that all wear them as we saw on this video. As I have said, I wear mine about 97% of the time, but like another poster, I don’t want a government telling me I have to “be safe” if it does not involve anyone else. Your reply?

  • ND in MD

    What a shame, all this because someone chose not to wear a seatbelt – to bad the cop wasn’t out protecting society and fighting real crime. To those who say seatbelt and other petty laws are about safety or “protecting the children” are wrong, it is about control and revenue generation.

    Tracking down and capturing a murder or preventing serious crimes does not generate money. And as a good little public servant, Barney Fife dressed in his monkey suit needs to meet his ticket quota and bring in his share of revenue. .

    Those of us who tend libertarian and are pro chocie have a difficult time when some over baering zealot uses his power in an abusive manner.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    ND in MD. True, but for example just around that same time, a group of officers tried to arrest a drug dealer. One was shot and they killed the criminal. Some days when on patrol, minor offenses can and should be enforced, otherwise there is no force of law, just an idea or suggestion.

    Inspect what you expect. Sometimes you might even get a ticket for overparking.

  • laydownSally

    Thanks for the answer, Pil

    It never would occur to me to resist even an illegal arrest in this country. This is just rhetorical so no need to answer, but how would one know?

    And if the officer making the arrest thought it was proper, wouldn’t he respond in the same manner? On the other hand if it was a rouge who knew it was illegal, wouldn’t you still be better off not to appear antagonistic?

  • Pilgrim

    Whistler:

    I would imagine there’s a bit more power behind the tazer.

    Are they similar enough to be compared?

    Nope. The tazer shut down EVERYTHING. You can’t foght, you can’t move, It’s way different.

    And for the record, I’m with Jay Tae on this and I think I’ve posted my opposition to government control of our lives mant times here:

    I don’t think it’s any of the government’s business if I wear a seatbelt or a motorcycle helmet. What the government enforces is are the wishes of the very powerful isurance lobby.

    That being said, however, it HAS to be unsderstood that the officer in this video has a sworn duty to enforce the law. And that, unfortunately, includsed seat belt laws.

    She didn’t comply. She got tased. Tough.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Hannitized. I believe that the seatbelt was a tack on, but that is besides the point. If you want laws, then you must obey them or accept the consequences.
    I was thinking of this today: Dr. King told his followers to accept arrest non-violently. She did not submit to arrest. All she had to do was give license, registration and insurance. She refused a lawful order. She was lawless. She is not the exception.

  • laydownSally

    I, too, am an anti-seat-belt-law fanatic. I am also a seat-belt-wearing fanatic. I’ve buckled up backing out of a garage, even when I have to get back out to close the door. If you ride with me, you DO buckle up. Period.

    and…

    “SEAT BELTS SAVE LIVES”

    This is my dos pesos:The government doesn’t have any right to protect us from our own stupidity. If were going to allow that, then we should pass a law that Democrats aren’t allowed to vote.

    The fact is, a driver wearing a helmet would be safer, or we could add NASCAR-style fire proof outer wear.

    Which is worse a small fender bender where a person not wearing a seatbelt loses some minimal amount of control or the same accident where you are completely blinded by an airbag deployment?

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Hannitized. Back. As a conservative and Republican, I fought to prevent this “crime” from becoming law, but the federal government put pressure on our state by threatening to withhold highway money if we didn’t make the seat belt thing a primary violation instead of a secondary one. “for the children” etc.

    In any case, it is on the books and I support laws. If I am caught, I will show my IDs and pay the $25 without acting in such a disgraceful and showing what some people like this have accused others of having: an “attitude”.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    What a rude and ignorant bitch. Serves her right.

    Wear your seat belts. In the event of a minor crash, being buckled up can mean the difference between keeping control of the vehicle versus losing control and endangering more lives. There is no “freedom” to go unbuckled on our shared highways. If people don’t like that, then they can sit their asses in the backseat where most state seat belt laws do not apply.

    The Whistler – If an officer was in my opinion was breaking the law in his interaction with me I would tell them I would tell them I was going to sue them for what I could.

    The courts are the only proper avenue for that kind of threat.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Hannitized. Your replies have been thoughtful and respectful of mine. We agree on several points. I will repeat what I typed on another thread. I was stopped about five years ago for no reason. When the two officers in one car turned on their blue light, I pulled over, got out my license, registration and insurance. I asked what they wanted. First it was turning without a signal. I said I had and always signal the 100′ before I turn. Then the other one took the first aside and huddled, came back and said yes, I had signaled, but did not wait the 100′ before changing lanes. I thought and counted the lines in my head and said that I believe I had and their cameras would confirm this. They huddled again and then said, well be careful next time. Truthfully, I think this was a case of one officer instructing the other. I don’t know. It had never happened before and has not happened again. Now. If I were ?a person of color? I might think— humm what is this, driving while Black? Maybe I should have said to them — hummm, driving while white? but it did not.
    This question of race that several people have opened lately is good because finally some real discussions are happening. I hope that some people change their behavior and discourage others from immediately taking the “attitude” displayed by this “person of attitude.”

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    This is my state. She is being disrespectful and did not comply with a simple question. This is typical. We have a state senator who locked herself in her car.
    This is a lawful order. This is a reason why we have crime in our state and country because people like this do not respect nor follow the laws. Then they want to be treated as equals. Perfect example here. Irrational people.

  • pparets

    Move_Zig: I just stole your taser graphic. Thanks.

  • JPGR

    This is a first, I agree with Hanna completely. Seat belts should be an option, while I do wear mine most of the time (especially on roads or freeways with high limits) I don’t think anyone should tell me I have to wear it. I equate that with forcing a person not to drink, eat excessively, use tobacco, etc… They’re all bad for you, but this is American and we love excesses.

    Hanna…live in Ohio? I hate front plates but we have to have them.

  • laydownSally

    Pil,

    Just curious…

    The law in Louisiana also states very clearly that you have the right to resist an unlawful arrest.

    …How did this come about? What was the precedent?

    pparets…I always bow to those older and wiser, well almost always, but you only argued half of my philosopheme; good history lesson though.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I think a good case could be made that demonstrates that seat belt use helps to keep control of the vehicle in the event of a crash.

    Therefore, there is every reason to be concerned about other people buckling up. It affects our safety.
    likwidshoe on February 18, 2008 at 07:32 pm

    Catch the date?

    I used to be against mandatory seat belt laws until I figured that the person driving the vehicle (along with his front seat passenger which is the law in most states) would be able to better control his vehicle in a crash if he were buckled up. There is a public safety argument to be made there.

    Now if we’re talking about motorcycle helmet laws – crashing with or without one doesn’t affect me, so therefore I am for the freedom for riders to chose.
    likwidshoe on July 18, 2006 at 03:22 pm

    Catch the date? Now fuck off, you little prick.

    And for the record, I’ve never been in support of the drug laws as anybody who pays even a modicum of attention could tell you. Just ask the regulars here at this blog, both pro and con. They are all well aware of my position on the drug laws. The little petulant race baiter’s assertion to the contrary, the fucking skin color of the convict doesn’t matter.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    The way she’s screaming about a lawsuit, we may see John Edwards or Gloria Allred doing a press conference with her in the near future.

    Nothing about this video is surprising.

    Having spent the better part of a decade working with low income kids, there is definitely a “you can’t tell me what to do” attitude among many blacks and whites from what is often called the underclass. I think the attitude is much less prevelent among Hispanics, especially those born in Mexico.

    I would guess that she has had that same attitude for much of her life, because it’s usually in full swing by 6th or 7th grade.

    I really have to hand it to the officer for remaining professional and polite throughout the entire situation. It would have been very easy for him to let it get personal, as she obviously wanted it to.

    I don’t think the average person can appreciate just how frustrating it is to have a job to do and have someone who’s attitude and refusal to cooperate gets in the way of doing that job.

  • Mickey

    Obama would say that the trooper delt with this situation like a typical white person.

  • http://wizbangblog.com/ Jay Tea

    KNEW you’d appreciate the video, pilgrim.

    I, too, am an anti-seat-belt-law fanatic. I am also a seat-belt-wearing fanatic. I’ve buckled up backing out of a garage, even when I have to get back out to close the door. If you ride with me, you DO buckle up. Period.

    But I don’t think it’s any business of the state to force me to do that. If you want to be a moron, go right ahead.

    But the place to make that argument is NOT along the road when you get pulled over. Cops do NOT make laws, they enforce them. They have no authority to undo the laws.

    The officer made demands upon the woman that he was not only entitled to make, but required to do so. She was obligated to obey his lawful demands and orders, and she refused. The officer had no choice but to exercise his authority and control the situation — or he shreds the authority of every other single cop when it gets around that you can just shout in the cop’s face and drive off after he pulls you over.

    Once he chose to pull her over (and it really wasn’t much of a choice), he had a duty to control the situation and make absolutely certain she was brought into compliance with the law. Her continued defiance demanded his escalation of force until she was compliant with the law.

    And it was funny as hell. Anyone with that kind of attitude and behavior needs to be brought down a few pegs, regardless of age or sex and race, and it brought a warm glow to my heart to see her get her comeuppance.

    J.

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