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Shouldn’t they save their accusations for when they have an official documented cause of the collapse? Although, it seems easy to blame it on money, I find it hard to believe that if the bridge was faulty due to that reason why was it being used?
There is(was)also a railway that was part of that structure and a freight train was using the bridge at the same time. 
Until further investigation into the cause I find it irrational for the public to automatically seek fault or liability. Perhaps they should focus their energy on assisting with the present situation.
I don’t know who Ed Schultz is but with the publicity he received for quickly placing blame ... his antagonistic mannerism could have been put to a more positive use and actually helped the present victims of this disaster. I see very little benefits from people like him.

If the libs had any sense about trying to gain advantage over this (as morbid as that is, not a single funeral having taken place etc.) they’d point to Ted Stevens’ bridge to nowhere.  Of course that might open up an examination of their own proclivities with the pork. 

It is, of course, a dumb argument, and why it’s being advanced by liberals.

I wonder how long it will take for some imaginative, self-righteous Democrat to blame the bridge collapse on “global warming”.  Tuesday or Wednesday?

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

They’re in the “blame everything on my dissatisfaction with the war” mindset. Simpletons think this way and you’ve just named a bunch of simpletons.

The only thing you can really do with simpletons is to point them out and laugh. They don’t respond to reason or logic. They’re emotional driven creatures.

S Korea is blaming their hostage difficulties on the US… I guess they ran out of other options.

Image is everything and perception equals reality.

Minnesota DOT:
“We thought we had done all we could,” said Daniel L. Dorgan,[liberal democrat] bridge engineer at the department’s bridges division. “Obviously something went terribly wrong.”

In 1982, a bridge inspector [liberal democrat] looked at the Mianus River Bridge in Greenwich, Conn., and did not see the metal-fatigued pin that would break nine months later, collapsing three lanes of Interstate 95 and killing three.

In 1987, a New York Thruway bridge near Amsterdam, N.Y., also had a clean bill of health, but inspectors [liberal democrats] had never gone underwater into the Schoharie Creek to look at the bridge’s footings, where flood waters had scoured the concrete base. When the footings slipped, the bridge fell. Ten people died.

From Slate: [here]

Quick, name a politician from Minnesota. Here are the ones that spring to my mind: Paul Wellstone, Jesse Ventura, Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, Eugene McCarthy. What all these men have in common is that none is a Republican. In fact, except for the independent Ventura, they’re all Democrats.

Expand the pool to famous Minnesotans in general, and you get similar results: Comedian and Air America host Al Franken; public radio’s Garrison Keillor, author of the new book Homegrown Democrat; and, of course, Bob Dylan.

So, who are the saying is to be blamed?

Shouldn’t they save their accusations for when they have an official documented cause of the collapse?

Politicians like to get “out in front” of a story, so that they can make their pronouncements and make an impression (however erroneous) before anything as dubious as the “facts” come into play!

Thye’re hoping that the voting public will retain the impression of their outrage and blame. If they screw the pooch royally, they claim that they could not have known they were so wrong, because all the facts weren’t in at that time to disprove them! (Ergo, it was an honest mistake!!)

That way, they build lasting memes like Bush & Katrina, Bush & Iraq, etc.

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Bush gives Minnesota and Nation the Katrina Treatment!

August 2, 2007 (LPAC)—In response to the collapse of the bridge across the Mississippi, President Bush is offering the horror-struck nation the “Katrina treatment.” In a statement in the Rose Garden, Bush said he was “in prayer for those who suffered,” and pledged the federal government would “respond robustly” - and then launched directly into a diatribe against the Congress for trying to spend too much money.

As LaRouche noted today, this Minnesota disaster will be very tough on Bush, as the nation remembers his utter failure after Katrina, and will now be seized by fear every time they drive over a bridge.

Repeal the ALL the tax cuts for the rich and we’ll have the money for Healthcare and infrastructure!

Put people ahead of money!

The government IS NOT a business!

FE

Repeal the ALL the tax cuts for the rich and we’ll have the money for Healthcare and infrastructure!
Fasteddie753 on August 3, 2007 at 06:37 am

What an Idiot!!!

I make under 100k….and I ain’t rich. I’d like to keep my own, hard earned money. But feel free to donate “all” of your salary [if you work] to those needy “people” you want to put “ahead of money.”

From tax on gas Minnesota DOT received $629 million in 2006.

Motor Vehicle Registration Taxes yielded them $484 million.

Motor Vehicle Sales Tax yielded them $362 million.

Federal Highway Funds to Minnesota $475 million.

Anna:

I don’t know who Ed Schultz is but with the publicity he received for quickly placing blame ...
Anna on August 2, 2007 at 09:55 pm

Go to Rob’s post on June 26th for more info on Shultz.

Ed Schultz Whines About His Poor Ratings
By Rob on June 26, 2007 at 10:25 am Click on the link to the left.

[great video included]

And as a typical liberal, [Shultz] blames the fact that his ratings are far inferior to those of conservative talkers not on the fact that people are choosing not to listen to him and his fellow liberals but rather on the idea that government isn’t doing enough to force people to listen [i.e. The Fairness Doctrine]to liberal talk radio.

The amount of federal money they received has nothing to do with the local agencies allowing the bridge to pass inspection and remain open (if given the fact that it is solely fault of maintenance)
As for Mr Schultz, perhaps, it’s time for him to receive a little more attention from the public after all.

There is nothing like coming to neo-con country to find out “TRUTH” about liberals. Liberals don’t blame the Bridge on Iraq. That is, of course, absurd(inconsistent with reason or logic).

Although there is something absurd about Iraq. It’s why yellow-cake was the reason for starting the war and four years later - nobody has seen “hide nor hair” of yellow cake. Liberals never said that Iraq had WMDs. The Bush team said that.

The liberals did not march the country off to a “JUST” war. The Bush team did. Liberals don’t think “out of the box” - the bush team does. Liberals don’t try to fool all of the people all of the time - but somebody needs a logic assist when listening to the Bush team.

Liberals don’t look like MASTER MUCKMAKERS, but those Republicans sure do.

But I understand that one needs to do something to maintain ones sense of being a value to the country and reality must be ignored to do that.

It would be really interesting to have a liberal pop over and have something intelligent or useful to say for once.

Oh well, what’re you going to do?

Anyway, this is all very silly. The fact that politics has even become a part of this already is absurd, and the fact that the left has been so quick to point their fingers at the Right and everything that the Right has done since the days of George Washington is just a bunch of crap. They are a bunch of babies who can’t see past their own blind hatred enough to see the human factor in this whole thing. There are still bodies in the water, and while Minnesotans are struggling to deal with this, the left is busy trying to pin the blame.

Bezelt,

I had not heard the term “Master Muckmakers” before.  Is it your very own invention?  Perhaps you could explain further just what you had in mind.

Were you thinking of unindicted ABSCAM co-conspirator Democrat Jack Murtha who has spent his congressional career throwing multi-million dollar Defense contracts and earmarks at compaign contributors who happen to also be clients of his lobbyist brother Kip?

Or perhaps you had California’s Democrat Senator Diane Feinstein in mind who shoveled hundreds of millions of federal contracts at her husband’s several companies.

Maybe it was Louisiana Democrat William “Cold Cash” Jefferson you were thinking of, or maybe West Virginia Democrat Alan Mullohan, who has made himself a multi-millionaire by taking kick-backs from bogus “non-profits” which he has funded out of federal tax money.

Or did you have Democrat Harry Reid in mind, who takes his rewards from local developers in the form of sweetheart real estate deals, in exchange for his efforts to get federal agencies to swap prime tracts for useless karst.

Despite the smarmy rantings of pompous, liberal asses such as you, there is plenty of corruption on both sides of the partisan aisle.  The only difference really is that those on the Right have a habit of resigning in disgrace when they’re found out.  Democrats tend to view themselves as above questions of mere morality, or disgrace, so they cling to office like leeches in a jungle swamp.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Anna,

There is(was)also a railway that was part of that structure and a freight train was using the bridge at the same time.

It was only a vehicle bridge.  The freight train was going under the bridge on the north side of the Mississippi as it flows at that point.  The bridge fell on part of the train.  It was also on the opposite side of where the collapse of the bridge started.

I’ve driven over that bridge many a time and a friend drove over it several hours before.  Fortunately so far, that’s as close as I’ve come to this tragedy.  And I hope it stays that way.

I’ve also been under that bridge a few times on the West River Parkway.  It’s a nice drive up to, and past, downtown Minneapolis.  I’ve looked at the structure a few times but now wish I’d paid more attention…

“neo-con country”???

Are you lefties trying to sell that BS again?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rob: If they keep wasting our money on their Marxist social engineering schemes, we will need a lot more healthcare.  Typical leftie self-fulfilling prophecy.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Fasteddie753 spits, Repeal the ALL the tax cuts for the rich and we’ll have the money for Healthcare and infrastructure!

Can you give an argument that supports this assertion? Keep in mind that every time there are “tax cuts for the rich” the federal intake soars because economic activity just got cheaper.

You should also explain why you think you’re entitled to other people’s money. Keep in mind that this is a child’s position.

bezelt - There is nothing like coming to neo-con country to find out “TRUTH” about liberals. Liberals don’t blame the Bridge on Iraq. That is, of course, absurd(inconsistent with reason or logic).

It’s absurd, but I guess you didn’t read the link. Liberals do in fact lack this reason or logic.

What the hell is “neo-con country”? Sounds like you’re living in a fantasy.

Although there is something absurd about Iraq. It’s why yellow-cake was the reason for starting the war…

It’s just one of many reasons. You know this by now, so you’re lying to state otherwise.

Liberals never said that Iraq had WMDs.

You’re a liar.

The liberals did not march the country off to a “JUST” war.

You’re right. They no longer do that. Instead, they spend their time defending dictators.

Liberals don’t think “out of the box”...

I’ll agree with that.

Liberals don’t try to fool all of the people all of the time…

Except when they push that socialism crap onto us.

Liberals don’t look like MASTER MUCKMAKERS…

What do you think you’re doing bezelt?

But I understand that one needs to do something to maintain ones sense of being a value to the country and reality must be ignored to do that.

You’re obviously talking from personal experience.

The point is that time will tell that we should be paying more attention to our own backyard rather than trying to mold the world into our image.

The things that made this a great country are at risk. Our inner cities are going to the dogs, our transportation infrastructure is crumbling, our educational system is falling behind, our communications infrastructure is decaying, and our government is corrupt and ignoring the Constitution.

85% of the people in S. Korea who have telecommunications services have DSL. 25% of the telecommunications subscribers in the U.S. have DSL.

The liberals did not march the country off to a “JUST” war.—says fasteddie.

Uniformed B.S.!!

Iraq Resolution” and “Iraq War Resolution” are popular names for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, a law passed by the United States Congress in October 2002, authorizing what was soon to become the Iraq War.

The House of Representatives adopted the resolution on October 10, 2002, by a vote of 296-133.

Representatives who voted “FOR” War:

John “The Jackal” Murtha, Steny Hoyer, and
William ” I got a bundle in my freezer” Jefferson

The Senate adopted the resolution on October 11, 2002, by a vote of 77-23.

29 of the members were Democrats.
Hillary ‘her thighness” Clinton, Christopher “silver spoonn” Dodd, John “the breck girl” Edwards, Dianne “the war profiteer” Feinstein, Harry ‘Mr. Rogers” Reid, and Chuckie “the schmuck” Schumer.

The things that made this a great country are at risk. Our inner cities are going to the dogs,Due to the welfare state. our transportation infrastructure is crumbling,Due to diversion of infrastructure funds into failed social engineering schemes(see above). our educational system is falling behind,Due to its being ever more socialized. our communications infrastructure is decaying,This is a lie. and our government is corrupt and ignoring the Constitution. Another lie.  It is the Dems who want to create “rights”(entitlements) through the courts, thus bypassing the Amendment process.

It’s a lie that we are “trying to mold the world into our image”.  The truth is that we support the oppressed peoples of the world to self-determine, and when they do, they tend to want to have what we have.
Are we “trying to mold” China?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

arclightzero said:

Anyway, this is all very silly. The fact that politics has even become a part of this already is absurd, and the fact that the left has been so quick to point their fingers at the Right and everything that the Right has done since the days of George Washington is just a bunch of crap.
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It is difficult to disengage the word IRAQ and the money spent on IRAQ from the category of politics. IRAQ and the money spent on IRAQ could be classified under accounting but I don’t believe that is the case here.

arclightzero said:

They are a bunch of babies who can’t see past their own blind hatred enough to see the human factor in this whole thing. There are still bodies in the water, and while Minnesotans are struggling to deal with this, the left is busy trying to pin the blame

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I don’t know where you got your information that said “liberals” are less than caring about America. I believe you got your parties mixed up.

“It is difficult to disengage the word IRAQ and the money spent on IRAQ from the category of politics. IRAQ and the money spent on IRAQ could be classified under accounting but I don’t believe that is the case here.”

I am saying that you need to disengage IRAQ from THE BRIDGE because the two have absolutely nothing to do with one another. In fact, politics should be disengaged from the bridge all together. Isn’t it about time you liberals pull your heads out of your asses and realize that not everything that happens in this world is political? Disasters happen. Accidents happen. Mother nature happens. None of these things are a result of the evil Republicans out there. This “conservative bogeymen in the closet” that you people all seem to believe in is nothing more than the result of a bunch of people who cannot deal with reality and need to feel good about themselves by placing blame on everybody else. You can apply that to global warming, you can apply that to the bridge collapsing… You can apply that almost entirely across the board when it comes to you liberals out there. Get real! Shit happens and it’s not always the Republican’s fault, no matter how much you feel like pointing the finger.

And furthermore…

I don’t know where you got your information that said “liberals” are less than caring about America. I believe you got your parties mixed up.

I have my parties down just fine. All liberals care about are their own agendas and special interest groups. I have yet to see a single liberal out there who has had America’s best interest in mind these days. The general public of America is never of any interest to liberals. Don’t think for a minute that running out and taking care of every “protected” minority group, the poor and the environment makes you care about America as a whole. The average American gets shafted on a very regular basis by the liberals in government… You think that just because conservatives put America first that we don’t care about America? Check your head, man. I don’t know who you think you’re preaching to…

Bat One:

If there were no MUCKMAKERS, there never would have been MUCKRAKERS. Muckmakers makes the mess that is cleaned up by MUCKRAKERS. I believe it was a Republican president who coined the term MUCKRAKERS.

You rattled off a list of Democrats who had, according to you ethics problems. Could you point me to a list of what you are talking about. It is not liberals who made the “Culture of Corruption”. That was the Republicans.

And the name calling, I’ll leave to you. Liberals don’t make good name callers. Liberals don’t need to. If you run out of substative information, name calling may be in order.

And the word “liar” is a neo-con trademark as far as I am concerned. Ever since Joe Wilson returned from Niger, I have heard that word in defense the WMD affair. But the trick is the neo-cons are not talking about yellow-cake - they are talking about something personal.

If required, I can easily point you to a list of Republicans who are on a corruption list.

If required, I can easily point you to a list of Republicans who are on a corruption list.
bezelt on August 3, 2007 at 12:38 pm

What an idiot…who apparently can’t read with any comprehension.

Despite the smarmy rantings of pompous, liberal asses such as you, there is plenty of corruption on both sides of the partisan aisle.  The only difference really is that those on the Right have a habit of resigning in disgrace when they’re found out.  Democrats tend to view themselves as above questions of mere morality
Bat One on August 3, 2007 at 09:19 am

robert108 said:

“neo-con country”???

Are you lefties trying to sell that BS again?

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Not really trying to sell anything. Fully expect no minds will be changed by comments here. It just trying to display a point of view and mine SHALL never be sprinkled with profanity, or other fillers for “content”.

I have yet to see a single liberal out
there who has had America’s best interest in mind these days.

For the truth about what lefties think about the general public, please refer to Karl Marx, “the dictatorship of the proletariat” some time.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

bezelt: Do you know what the term “neocon” actually means?

The “Culture of Corruption” is another lie coined by the Dems.  With their allegiance to Big Labor and their lust to socialize everything, it’s really the Dems who are a culture of corruption.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Liberals don’t make good name callers…And the word “liar” is a neo-con trademark as far as I am concerned.

So when you call someone a “neo-con” you admit you’re calling them names, you’re just not very good at it? Well, it’s not for want of trying!

Liberals never said that Iraq had WMDs.

So, you don’t count Clinton, Gore, Pelosi, et al. as liberals? I know the far-left fringe like The Nation considered Bill to be conservative, but to those of us playing with a full deck, he’s always been left of center.

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robert108 said:

Rob: If they keep wasting our money on their Marxist social engineering schemes, we will need a lot more healthcare.  Typical leftie self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Now this is typical talking but not saying anything.

Now this is typical talking but not saying anything.

If we only consider one of many Marxist social engineering schemes, the so-called “War on Poverty”, which drained 11 trillion dollars from the taxpayers, it would have been enough to rebuild every bridge in America many times over.  My “healthcare” reference was to those killed and injured in the MN bridge collapse, and the potential deaths and injuries from the rest of our infrastructure which has been starved for money due to its redistribution into social engineering schemes, mostly by the Dems.
They use it to buy votes.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Those on the left are NEOCOMS; that is, new communists, communism repackaged as progressive to fool the Leftards!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Bezelt,

If you had actually read what I wrote, you might realize that I specifically noted that there is plenty of corruption on BOTH sides of the aisle.  It seems you disagree with that assessment, so perhaps you’ll be good enough to point out which of the Democrats on my short list are not the corrupt sleaze bags that I’ve suggested.  Everything I’ve noted is on the public record, but if you have some evidence to offer to the contrary, however gratuitous, please do so.

It would help if you were a bit older and more experienced, as you’d realize the importance of courtesy.  In this case, the specific courtesy of specific address.  I haven’t called you a “liar” as I am willing to be persuaded that you are merely ignorant, rather than malevolently intended.

I would suggest, however, that you leave the subject of Joe Wilson to those who know full well what they are talking about.  His lies have been so well documented for so long as to hardly warrant any sort of rational discussion… at least among the adults.

Finally, there is this bit of hilarious nonsense,

Liberals don’t make good name callers. Liberals don’t need to.

Anyone who has ever read DU, Daily Kos, or the MoveOn.org website knows just how ridiculous this is.  No doubt you think differently.  But then, the idea of a liberal actually thinking is one of those humorous oxymorons that makes thoughtful conservatives smile.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Y’all be careful with matches. There is an incredible amount of straw on this thread.

Sorry likwidshoe. I got caught again. I had more than 5,000 some odds words in my response so once again my comments were eaten. I had forgotten about that.

But I do have a WordPress blog and a GoggleBlog. And I have published 10 ot the 20 ImpeachBush.Org’s reasons for impeachment of the Bush team. And if you don’t get any favorable comments from those articles, you must be in neo-con country.

ews48 - The point is that time will tell that we should be paying more attention to our own backyard rather than trying to mold the world into our image.

“Trying to mold the world into our image”? What?!

Our inner cities are going to the dogs, our transportation infrastructure is crumbling, our educational system is falling behind, our communications infrastructure is decaying, and our government is corrupt and ignoring the Constitution.

Minus the communications infrastructure (which is fine, it’s just hindered by government), the rest of what you named are all things that government controls. Think about that as you look on at your peers who are asking for government health care. They look pretty silly asking for it viewed from that light, don’t they?

bezelt - It is not liberals who made the “Culture of Corruption”. That was the Republicans.

No, the Democrats made the “Culture of Corruption”. You’re sitting there going on about muckraking. Don’t you recognize it when you see it?

And the name calling, I’ll leave to you.

You say this after you get done with your name calling? You’re hilarious!

If you run out of substative information, name calling may be in order.

I’ll keep that in mind Mr. “Culture of Corruption”.

And the word “liar” is a neo-con trademark as far as I am concerned. Ever since Joe Wilson returned from Niger, I have heard that word in defense the WMD affair. But the trick is the neo-cons are not talking about yellow-cake - they are talking about something personal.

Wow. You guys write good fiction. “In defense the WMD affair”? I’d work on that one. I’m intrigued to find out what this “something personal” thing is. The key to good fiction writing is to leave hooks for your audience, and that’s what you did there. Good stuff.

Sorry likwidshoe. I got caught again. I had more than 5,000 some odds words in my response so once again my comments were eaten. I had forgotten about that.

That sucks. Use Firefox. If it eats your response, you can just go back on the web browser. It’s saved me a couple of times.

And I have published 10 ot the 20 ImpeachBush.Org’s reasons for impeachment of the Bush team. And if you don’t get any favorable comments from those articles, you must be in neo-con country.

You can impeach him over the wide open borders. You want to impeach him over your fantasies. You’re just wasting a great opportunity for both of us. Thanks, but no thanks bezelt. The way you clowns act, Bush will never be impeached over the wide open borders, and that’s a damn shame.

Bush should realize who to thank though. People just like you. By spending all of his political time dealing with your kind’s frivolous antics, he skates on the important stuff. Pat yourself on the back bezelt. You are helping Bush.

Liberals Now Blaming Minnesota Bridge Collapse On Iraq

I blame Barbra Streisand! When she was singing, “People need people”, she wasn’t specific enough! She was thinking we needed anti-war protesters and artists who plunge crucifixes into urine, when what we really needed was engineers and steel workers!

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