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Liberal Retards?

And you have the audacity to call others who use “LOL” childish?  What a fucking joke Rob.  I am embarrassed for you.

After nearly five years of the chicken-hawk argument I’m not sure anyone really takes it seriously any more.  After all, one need not be a police officer to oppose crime or be a fireman to think that fires should be put out.  It’s not logical.

Oh they take it seriously.  What you really mean by this statement is that after five years of knowing you are a chicken-hawk, you have become comfortable with that fact.

You further try to avoid the excellent point by comparing unnecessary wars to necessary policing. PATHETIC.

I am thoroughly enjoying watching you squirm your way out of this one like the slimy worm you are.

There is no question that those who promote the foolish arrogance and needless wars that arise from it should be the first to serve on the front lines, when our troops are having to serve 3-4 tours.

Support the Troops?  Liars!

Typing “LOLOLOLOL!!!!” is always childish.  Calling some a retard, however, is often justified.

And I am, and always have been, quite comfortable with the career path I’ve chosen.  My father fought in Vietnam (one silver star, four bronze stars, three purple hearts), and I’ve always admired his service…but the military has never been for me.

Make of that what you will, insult me if you must, but know that if you had the courage of your convictions you’d be over there serving as a human shield against this illegal war.  Right?

Isn’t that the proper way to apply the logic you’re applying to me to your situation?

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Until you have a child who is “retarded”, Rob, then you’ll stop.  But I digress.

Rob writes: 

After nearly five years of the chickenhawk argument I’m not sure anyone really takes it seriously any more.

Like anyone should take seriously your postulations on Obama’s fainting schtick, or the Obama = Hitler allgations or the WSI is being wronged argument or even the Obama using a bracelett (sic) as a prop crap.  You’re right, noone should take you seriously.

*yawn*

And yet, I’ll go on having my posts read by millions every week.

You get the most flak when you’re over the target.  I can always tell when I’m the most right when people like you and Hanny are pissed.

It gives me a special feeling down deep inside.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob,

That’s rich—Leftards ... spawn of the draft-card burning smelly Hippy of the 1970’s encouraging others to serve.  Evidently they suffer from overactive Gall bladders, as their gall knowns no bounds.

Service?  Most Conservatives have.  Leftists?  Prolly didn’t make it past the ENTNAC check, much less basic.

Nancy Boys of the Left unite! 

Hide behind the Real Men to keep your country free, while you use your freedom—purchased by the blood of men better than you—to spit on the land of your birth.

At least Leftists back in the day actually picked up a rifle and fought for what they believed in during the Spanish Civil War.

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In the above comment, that should read “hundreds of thousands every week” instead of “millions.”

Haven’t quite hit that benchmark yet, but we’ll get there.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Until you have a child who is “retarded”, Rob, then you’ll stop.

I actually draw a distinction between “retards” and the mentally disabled.  Failing to do so would make calling someone like, oh I don’t know, Hanny here a “retard” an insult to the mentally disabled people of the world.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Actually, not pissed Rob,just LOL at the silliness of the last few posts. It is indeed interesting that Hillary is almost entirely off your screen and it’s all Obama 24/7.  Not too much on the republicans since they are imploding and can’t figure out how to get it together to back McCain. 

Careful now, you’re getting spittle flecks all over your computer!

We’ve actually posted a lot about McCain on the blog.  I’ve made no bones about my dislike of him as a candidate, and other contributors (mostly on the reader blogs) have voiced their support.

We’ve talked about the Republican situation at length, and we’ve also posted a good deal about Hillary as well (my post about Harold Ickes’ U-turn has gotten a lot of reads, if not a lot of comments).

I can only attribute your refusal to note these posts as a lie, though one made more to yourself than to me.  I think you need to convince yourself that we’re scared of Barack Obama more than you need to convince any conservatives posting on this blog.

As for subject matter, I actually don’t make conscious decisions about what to post on during the course of a given day.  I tend to follow what interests me at the moment, and for the last couple of days it has been Obama.

So it goes.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Those idiots are still around? Good lord…

The “yellow elephant/chickenhawk” argument, at its core, is fundamentally dishonest. It’s an attempt (and a shallow one) to convert arguments about policy to arguments about the character of one of the arguers. It’s a concession; they are, in effect, saying “I can’t rebut your arguments, so I’m going to shame you into shutting up.”

Oh, and Rob, I will quibble with you over your use of “retards.” I have never met a retarded person who would put forward such a stupid and dishonest and mean-spirited case as this.

J.

Rob, please read carefully my post, all the attacks recently have been on Obama, when a few days or a week ago it was mostly attacks on Hillary. Just noting the turn in attack direction, that’s all.

or pajamas media or breitbart, or Drudge or Newsbusters…..

Did you notice yesterday when I posted that Obama isn’t as inevitable as he seems?

Probably not, because that doesn’t fit your narrative.

Are you ever right about anything you post here?

Oh, and Rob, I will quibble with you over your use of “retards.” I have never met a retarded person who would put forward such a stupid and dishonest and mean-spirited case as this.

You’re probably right.  I usually don’t name-call in posts, and only do so in comments to people who aim it at me first, but this email got under my skin a bit.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

I always have to laugh when liberals demagogue Pajamas Media as some sort of bastion of conservative thinking.  Yes, most of the people on board at Pajamas are conservative, but that’s only because liberals refused to join up.  There was no ideological litmus test when the group started, and there still isn’t.  Heck, people like David Corn were with me among the founding membership.

But I guess that’s what you liberals need to do in order to discredit anyone who might think a little differently than you do.  More of that famous liberal “tolerance” we’re told so much about.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

My favorite leftie lie on this subject is where they claim a website called “The Yellow Elephant” is “non-partisan”.
If you take the ridiculous “chickenhawk” argument to its logical conclusion, no leftie can legtimately criticize the President unless they have also served as the President of the United States.
It’s just another example of leftie fascism.  In our country, every citizen has the right to express his or her opinion on anything.  There are no speech requirements for US citizens.  It’s that First Amendment thing.
Lefties always seem to want prior restraint; wonder why?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Pot, meet kettle.

What a stinging rebuke(not).
BTW, P, quit lying; I never said Obama=Hitler(you did).  I simply pointed out the similarity in their no-content speeches designed to whip up their mindless fanatic supporters into an adoring frenzy.  In fact, I doubt that Obama will execute any Jews; he’ll save his hatred for white conservative men, just like you do.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

he’ll save his hatred for white conservative men, just like you do.

Uh-oh, r-Gumby has a fear of the black man.
Maybe you could just invent a bus that only has back seats.

You’re gonna need a bigger fire hose, r-Gumby.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

R108 writes: 

His own speeches convict him.  He’s selling the same collectivist crap as Adolph, and so is “It Takes A Village” Clinton.  So are you, for that matter.

I think that is a direct comparison of Obama to Adolph.  You are the liar, R108.

If OPERATIONYELLOWELEPHANT is going to require military service as the basis for commenting on war, mass shootings, et al, they better buy up a whole lot of bandwidth, because ther list will run to about 250 million Americans, starting with Barack Obama and Ted Kennedy and endng with me.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

I suspect fraud with their inquiry, like the fake global warming site used to embarrass Rush Limbaugh.

There have been absolutely hilarious blog postings on the interwebs, made by guys who strung along phony Nigerian OIl Ministers for months at a time.

Liberals have no problems with using ruses and deception to acheive their goals, since their whole platform is built on lies, anyway.

For sites like the one Rob posted, someone should give them a taste of their own medicine.

How is Eric Wankerman of ‘operationyellowelephant.com’ able to identify who is heterosexual or not; does he have some secret power which enables him to peer into people’s bedrooms?

This is the stupid about identifying sexual behavior into specific categories, everyone can be whatever they want if it serves the purpose of meeting a momentary need.

I never said Obama=Hitler(you did).

What a fucking liar you are.  Your whole Guess Who thread is about Obama being Hitler.

Lestat: Of course you are.  The lefties need another Hitler, just a “nicer” one.

pparets, will you clarify for me what you meant when you wrote:

because ther list will run to about 250 million Americans, starting with Barack Obama and Ted Kennedy and endng with me. me.

thanks

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

RRB: Sure!  The sarcastic premis of OYE is that only those who have served in the military should be allowed to comment on war. I was pointing out that the vast majority of Americans would not qualify, by OYE’s standards.

Looking back at my post, I didn’t state my case very clearly. I apologize for that.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

Even Ted Kennedy?

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

I hate to bring this up, but…

Ted Kennedy was in the Army, serving as an enlisted man at SHAPE in Paris.

He enlisted after he was expelled from Harvard for having another student to take a Spanish test for him. His father was furious when he discovered that Teddy had signed up for a four-year hitch and pulled strings to get it revised to two years—of which Teddy served 16 months before being discharged, still a private.

But he did serve.

J.

The sarcastic premise of OYE is that only those who have served in the military should be allowed to comment on war.

If taking the country to war is the supreme power of civilian leaders, maybe we should take that to its logical conclusion, as did R.A. Heinlein: Only Veterans should be allowed to vote!

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Lestat: The “Guess Who” thread was about Hitler speeches that sounded like what Obama is saying right now, which means he sounds like Hitler(there’s a difference).  I must point out, though, that Hitler accomplished a whole lot more than Obama has, in the field of mass persuasion.  They both depend on swaying a lot of gullible people with empty oratory, so there is a similarity in that respect.  Don’t you find that just a little bit creepy?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rob:

After nearly five years of the chickenhawk argument I’m not sure anyone really takes it seriously any more.  After all, one need not be a police officer to oppose crime or be a fireman to think that fires should be put out.  It’s not logical.

And one doesn’t have to recycle/drive a hybrid car/reduce one’s carbon footprint to be opposed to global warming.

Oh shit! Now you have to edit every post you’ve ever made about Al Gore!

(Oh wait… before that, can I hear you make an intellectually dishonest post on how conservatives criticizing Al Gore for flying a private jet is meaningfully different from liberals criticizing you for sitting on your fat ass intsead of fighting in Iraq?)

How is Eric Wankerman of ‘operationyellowelephant.com’ able to identify who is heterosexual or not…

Typical leftie hypocritical gay-bashing.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

They both depend on swaying a lot of gullible people with empty oratory, so there is a similarity in that respect.

So did Raygun and he was creepy.

I guess you are right r-gumby, Osama is the new Hitler.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

I think that is a direct comparison of Obama to Adolph. You are the liar, R108.

Wrong again, P: you claimed I expressed an equivalence(use of the verb “to be”), while the truth is that I expressed a partial similarity.  You lied.
They were also similar in other respects, as they were both human, males, and walked upright on two legs. Those similarities are insignificant, but using almost identical oratory is significant.
It’s an intellectual thing, knowing the difference.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Oh wait… before that, can I hear you make an intellectually dishonest post on how conservatives criticizing Al Gore for flying a private jet is meaningfully different from liberals criticizing you for sitting on your fat ass intsead of fighting in Iraq?

Not that you’re here for honest debate, but I’ll oblige in explaining how the situations are different.

See, in order to be successful in the war in Iraq we needn’t all go there in fight.  But according to Al Gore, in order to be successful in the war on “global warming” we all have to make “sacrifices.”

That Gore preaches sacrifice while touring the globe in a private jet and renting SUV’s just to drive his luggage around makes him the grand-high-poobah of hypocrites.

Follow that, or was it too logical?

My decision not to serve in the military is really nothing more than a career choice on my behalf.  About a year and a half ago I thought seriously about signing up with the Army, but another career path opened up for me so I chose that.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Uh-oh, r-Gumby has a fear of the black man.

Another lie from you, Master Baiter; but it’s understandable, since you have amply demonstrated a fear of the truth.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Just imagine how loud these silly child-minded twits at yellowelephant would cry if our established government were exclusively managed by and for the military elite only. Does he expect the rights of citizenship to be based on a military record of service? This idiot needs some civics and history lessons. Too bad we can’t send him and his crew to North Korea for a year of exchange nitwit training.
He could learn fascism 101 the hard way.

So did Raygun and he was creepy.

Another lie from you, Master Baiter; President Reagan accomplished a lot, so what he said was the opposite of “empty”, and it wasn’t “rhetoric”, either.  It was the truth.  He restored our economy and national defense from the ruin of Carter, he finished off the Soviet Union and restored America to a respectful place in the world(despite the lies of you lefties to the contrary).  The proof of this is that the Iranians handed over the hostages, who Carter was impotent to rescue.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

...Osama is the new Hitler.

Freudian slip, Master Baiter?  You are now one with Teddy Kennedy.  Good going!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Typical lying hate filed rightie revisionist propaganda.

It was all rhetoric, r-Gumby.

Did he increase the size of our government?
Did he negotiate with terrorists?
Did he give protect our boarders with blanket amnesty?
Did he lower our debt?
Did he break our laws?

October surprise, r-Gumby, you’re claim victory with the October surprise?

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

October surprise, r-Gumby, you’re claim victory with the October surprise?

Another leftie lie from you, Master Baiter; it never happened.
What has Obama accomplished?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

And one doesn’t have to recycle/drive a hybrid car/reduce one’s carbon footprint to be opposed
to global warming.

Right.  Of course, preaching that for everyone else, while not doing it yourself is hypocrisy.
I don’t think anyone is preaching that you Yellow Donkeys should be fighting for your country; just don’t betray it by giving aid and comfort to the terrorists.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The “Guess Who” thread was about Hitler speeches that sounded like what Obama is saying right now, which means he sounds like Hitler(there’s a difference).  I must point out, though, that Hitler accomplished a whole lot more than Obama has, in the field of mass persuasion.  They both depend on swaying a lot of gullible people with empty oratory, so there is a similarity in that respect.  Don’t you find that just a little bit creepy?

He also sounds alot like FDR.  Why don’t you compare him to FDR.  He also sounds alot like MLK, why didn’t you compare him to MLK?  Rhetoric is an artform.  He has it, FDR had it, MLK had it.  You use Hitler because you want the equivalence to Hitler.  You are a liar.  At this rate you will go off the deep end by October.

He also sounds alot like FDR. Agreed.  It’s the same fascist collectivist rhetoric. Why don’t you compare him to FDR. Why don’t you make your own post and write it the way you want?  I’m not here to do your bidding. He also sounds alot like MLK, why didn’t you compare him to MLK? Rhetoric is an artform. Not in the case of Hitler, Obama and those scoundrels you mention; it’s outright deception and lying. He has it, FDR had it, MLK had it. Agreed.  They’re all fascist collectivists.  Thanks for pointing that out, but they still share the same message Hitler was spewing.

I find it interesting that you lefties constantly refer to our President as Hitler, but you squeal like stuck pigs when the similarity of Hitler’s rhetoric to the rhetoric of your leftie politicians is correctly noted.  You should be proud of their rhetorical skills, but somehow you’re in denial of that.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Robert,

Glad to see you finally admit you are a fucking liar and you were comparing Obama to Hitler.  The other conservatives should be embarrassed by you, but I’m sure they are not.

See, in order to be successful in the war in Iraq we needn’t all go there in fight. 

I love it.  Just let them keep digging their own grave Puzzle.

It’s getting under their skin, so they have to misrepresent the point yellow elephant is making to justify their position.

Anybody who understands that our troops are serving 3-4 tours, sometimes more, in order to fight this war in Iraq, understands that it will require more than just our volunteers or current number of war fighters to continue down this road.

I, unlike Rob and half these Chicken-Hawks have always disagreed with the Iraq war.  But I have always advocated a draft.  I have been saying from the start that we needed more troops and a draft, but the right dodged that because they don’t want a draft, because they know they would loose the presidency in 08 if they did.

You see, if drafted, I would serve.  I encourage the draft.  It’s more than any of these chicken-hawks have done.  And I will wager none of them have ever suggested a draft.

They go about pushing for war with Iran every time they do something stupid, but who in the hell is going to fight that war on top of fighting the war in AF and Iraq? 

They certainly aren’t going to volunteer!  They aren’t even talking a bout a draft.  They just like to sit here and shoot spit-balls at the left, for any reason and most of the time no reason.

There just a bunch of little kids, thinking their making an argument when there just making a stink.

Pathetic little dweebs.

I’m off to go meet Obama’s campaign committee and talk with his sister for a bit.  I am really looking forward to hearing about the fainting strategy and how well that is working for us.  (chuckle)

Glad to see you finally admit you are a fucking liar and you were comparing Obama to Hitler.

Again you lie.  There is no comparison at all in the original post, only the question about who said those things.  I’m of the mind that your entire leftie fascist message is highly similar to Hitler’s, as I have already expressed to you, and that the American public should be informed of that fact.  You aren’t promising us anything we want, but you lie about it to deceive people.  You will be busted before November.  Of course, you could always come back to the founding principles of America.
Of course your union thug lied when she opined that I equated Obama with Hitler; the rhetoric is almost exact, but Obama hasn’t seized power yet, so it remains to be seen if he will implement the rest of the fascist collective agenda.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Lestat: I never denied comparing Obama’s rhetoric with Hitler’s, because they are almost identical.  What I denied was that I ever said Obama was equal to Hitler, which was P’s lie.  He is not equal to Hitler.  He has yet to achieve that.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I never denied comparing Obama’s rhetoric with Hitler’s, because they are almost identical.  What I denied was that I ever said Obama was equal to Hitler, which was P’s lie.  He is not equal to Hitler.  He has yet to achieve that.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

But I have always advocated a draft.

Of course; as a fascist leftie, you oppose individual choice, and must “mandate” everything to force people to obey your agenda.  You hate what our volunteer military represents: individual independence.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Lestat: I never denied comparing Obama’s rhetoric with Hitler’s, because they are almost identical.  What I denied was that I ever said Obama was equal to Hitler, which was P’s lie.  He is not equal to Hitler.  He has yet to achieve that.

Bullshit.  By saying his rhetoric is the same as Hitler, you are saying that if we elect him we get another Hitler.

You are so scared of Obama, that you have to bring up Hitler.

You are a liar and by Godwin’s Law you lose the argument.

By saying his rhetoric is the same as Hitler, you are saying that if we elect him we get another Hitler.

I’m hoping that we can do better than him, obviously.
I’m glad that accurate comparison got your panties in a bunch, though; shows I’m right on target.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

You are a liar and by Godwin’s Law you lose the argument.

I told the truth(which is why you are spitting hate), and according to your so-called “Godwin’s Law”, you lefties lost the argument when you called our President as Hitler.  You should be ashamed of yourself, hater.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Dumbass liar, Godwin’s law is what is invoked on this site to say that liberals can never compare Bush to Hitler because whoever invokes Hitler first loses.  It is conservative rhetoric.

Glad to see that you are a hypocrite as well as a liar, but I already new that.

Dumbass liar, Godwin’s law is what is invoked on this site to say that liberals can never compare Bush to Hitler because whoever invokes Hitler first loses. It is conservative rhetoric.

Keep spewing, hater, but none of your lies will change the fact that Obama uses Hitlerian rhetoric.  It’s a fact.  Read it and weep.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

r-gumby, you are the hate filled hater rightie hater neo-con hypocrite enabling hater filled with hate and spewer of hateful lies of hate.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

r-gumby, you are the hate filled hater rightie hater neo-con hypocrite enabling hater filled with hate and spewer of hateful lies of hate.

Thanks for making my point, Master Baiter!  Your hatred is that of the liar when the bright light of truth is shined on him.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I am pure love, r-gumby.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

I’m off to go meet Obama’s campaign committee and talk with his sister for a bit.  I am really looking forward to hearing about the fainting strategy and how well that is working for us.

Now, H, tell the truth. The librarian is about to kick your ass off the computer to let someone else have a turn, and there’s some strange bag lady outside rummaging through your shopping cart.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Rob, Your blog does a great service to our country. By allowing Everyone the freedom to express their ideas it becomes clear where the Left and the Right are politically. The Left obviously wants to turn the USA into a Socialist society. The Right wants less Big Government involved in our lives. SA opens our eyes and ears to all sides. Keep up the good work and continue not allowing ignorant individuals who try to act like they no it all knock you down! Thanks Man!

I am pure love, r-gumby.

What’s fascinating to me is that none of you leftie haters have questioned or argued with the fact that Obama’s and Hitler’s rhetoric are highly similar.  Instead, your objection is to my exposing that fact.  It speaks volumes, Master Baiter.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

So you are fascinated as to why people don’t believe what you write?

r-Gumby, you make stuff up, run them up your pole as facts and when no one salutes, you call them hate filled liars.

You are a far right loon, an ideologue zombie, a wing nut’s wing nut, you are unhinged, screechy, incoherent with fear, an anchor on the last gop ship sailing from the ’94 flotilla. You’re a tortilla.

I feel sorry for you r-Gumby.
I will pray for your soul.

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

So you are fascinated as to why people don’t believe what you write?  I gave you the facts, and the link to the speeches the excerpts came from.  No “belief” is necessary, just reading comprehension.

r-Gumby, you make stuff up, run them up your pole as facts and when no one salutes, you call them hate filled liars.  I didn’t make anything up; I gave you the link; go there and read for yourself.

You are a far right loon, an ideologue zombie, a wing nut’s wing nut, you are unhinged, screechy, incoherent with fear, an anchor on the last gop ship
sailing from the ’94 flotilla. You’re a tortilla.
Still no factual or logical counter-argument, just juvenile namecalling and hatespew.  I exposed your phony, and you hate me for it.  Typical.  Why do you want a guy who believes in the same ideology as Hitler as your Presidential candidate?

I feel sorry for you r-Gumby.
I will pray for your soul.  Pray for your own soul first, hater.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

No no no r-Gumby, you cut and pasted sentences from your buddy Hitler’s speeches then made a lame attempt to bait us into one of your semantic finger traps, chastising us for not falling for it.

Jesus has taught me to serve others.
I will pray for your soul first.
I am pure love r-Gumby.

I love you r-Gumby.

(I will let poof or B O correct your spelling)

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele

No no no r-Gumby, you cut and pasted sentences So, which is it?  First you claimed I made it up, now you admit I actually posted excerpts from Hitler’s speeches.  Why did you lie before?  If you want to know whose “buddy” he is, look at the guy who uses the same rhetoric. from your buddy Hitler’s speeches then made a lame attempt to bait us I didn’t “bait” you; you could have made some counter-arguments, but you didn’t have any.  The truth is that your candidate-in-waiting uses the same rhetoric as Hitler.  The evidence speaks for itself. into one of your semantic finger traps, chastising us for not falling for it. The real question is: why don’t you find that creepy?  Is your lust for power so great that you don’t care how you get it?

Keep dancing, spinning, spewing and lying, Master Baiter; you can’t change the truth.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Proponents of the Chicken Hawk slur are despicable.

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Now, H, tell the truth. The librarian is about to kick your ass off the computer to let someone else have a turn, and there’s some strange bag lady outside rummaging through your shopping cart.

Ha ha.  You’re not that far off….there was a lady pushing me to get off my MAC, there was some rummaging through bags and if you saw my truck you would see some similarities between it and a homeless persons shopping cart.

And by the way the gathering was a bit lame at times.  I do see how you can make the argument that his campaign doesn’t really discuss specific issues as much as pie in the sky language that is directed as fixing our status in the world stage.  Barack himself wasn’t speaking, mostly local Congressmen, supporters and his sister.  But there were some issues discussed.

What’s fascinating to me is that none of you leftie haters have questioned or argued with the fact that Obama’s and Hitler’s rhetoric are highly similar.  Instead, your objection is to my exposing that fact.

Rob,

Nobody cares to respond to that type of lunacy because we have too much respect for ourselves to respond to it in a serious manner.

We could say the same thing about Bush.  But where does that get us, you guys just get all fired up that were a bunch of loons who compare Bush to Hilter. 

Now you are making the inverse argument and you think you are winning it, even though you are the same guy who criticizes people for making comparisons between Bush and Hitler.

This type of discussion gets us nowhere, fast.

But the more you go about “debating”, the more I find less of a reason to challenge you.  You defeat yourself half the time you open your mouth.

Holy Sheepshit!

I’m away for a bit and it looks you folks have spent the better part of Sunday going back and forth.  Looks like the Left are dragging my buddies into the weeds over petty arguments.

Guys, don’t you know that arguing with the average Leftist is akin to arguing with a retard or drunk—aside from the facts that retards and drunks have good and valid excuses for their condition?

Leftists don’t.  They do, however, suffer from the DoubleThink* mania which makes arguing law, logic, history and stats an exercise in futility.

That being said, what Leftards are missing when they make a Yella-Phant argument is also disqualifying themselves from discussing foreign policy.

Like the Italians who rebuked the Pope for advocating no birth control: you no play-a da game—you no make-a da rules!

And so it is with their Yellaphant argument.

We don’t have a draft.  We haven’t had one for some time.  Domestic commies don’t serve.  They’d never pass the pee test, or the no-homos test or the have-you-ever-been-a-criminal test. 

They are hairy and smelly and stupid for good reasons.

What the US does overseas does not concern them.  It doesn’t affect them.  No one has asked and non one is compelling them to serve.  Why oh why do they then bleat bring the troops home? when, given the chance, they would rather just spit on the Corporal just returning to the World with some hash marks on his sleeve, a combat infantry badge on his chest and a seabag on his shoulder.

They could give a rats’ ass about the health, safety and welfare of the individual fighting man.

Hypocrisy writ large.

The logical fallacy of the Yellaphant / Chickenhawk argument completely escapes their bong-addled minds.  Is that a surprise to anyone?

Then to add to the mix, they will, from time to time, trot out a ‘disgruntled veteran’ whose credentials are unassailable, because he has been there and done that.  Yet, upon closer scrutiny we often find that these guys are complete shams.

We have learned to distrust any sort of arguments posited by the Left because they have been caught lying so many times (e.g. Gun Control, Bellesiles, Battered women - Superbowl spike, endangered species , planted fur, and so on and so on….)

Do you Lefties ever feel any shame? 

How pitiable it must be to be you.

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The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

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Move_Zig,

Well said.

See also my reader’s blog post on the matter.

What a bunch of despicable Quislings.  We should gift them with a case of Perrier re-labled with the original company name.

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That being said, what Leftards are missing when they make a Yella-Phant argument is also disqualifying themselves from discussing foreign policy.

Cute, changing the arguement in order to make one. 

The issue isn’t that you can’t discuss foriegn policy issues, ya twit.  It’s that you shouldn’t be pushing for more wars or supporting existing ones, if we don’t have the man power to do it and if you aren’t prepared to pick up a gun to help.  And if you do, then you are a chicken-hawk.

I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, because it’s a bunch of horse dung.  But it on par with the right-wing loons that we love to see get more air-time.

Keep it up.

Hannitized,

You’re obviously weak on logic so I’ll explain it for you in detail and using small words.

War and Peace are flip sides of the same coin.  Peace ends with the commencement of hostilities, and the cessation of hostilities marks the beginning of peace.

War is the club (where trade is the carrot) of international relations.  Thus U. S. Foreign Policy leverages the military abilities of the nation as an ever present, if seldom used or brandished, club.

By discounting the opinions of those who have not served (the Chicken Hawk argument) you disqualify all who are not veterans from meaningful participation in the formulation of foreign policy.

It’s the logical and entirely foreseeable consequence of your:

...you shouldn’t be pushing for more wars or supporting existing ones, if we don’t have the man power to do it and if you aren’t prepared to pick up a gun to help.  And if you do, then you are a chicken-hawk.

QED

And sirrah, you remain a despicable chicken Rock Dove.

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Thanks RG

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War and Peace are flip sides of the same coin.  Peace ends with the commencement of hostilities, and the cessation of hostilities marks the beginning of peace.

OK?  And what part of that statement addresses the part where we don’t have enough volunteers to win wars?  Wich war did we win where a draft wasn’t required?  The Civil War?  WWII?  What you fail to address, Rodney, was the very clear point I made.  Those who are pushing for needless wars that we don’t have enough war-fighters to fight shouldn’t be pushing for more wars unless they are prepared to pick up a gun.  Got it?  Or do I need to “explain it to you in detail using small words”?

By discounting the opinions of those who have not served (the Chicken Hawk argument) you disqualify all who are not veterans from meaningful participation in the formulation of foreign policy.

Nobody is discounting opinions, were just saying they’re a frickin chicken.  What’s so hard to comprehend about that? 

While the argument is less powerful when guys like Rob make an argument for needless wars when were short on volunteers does weaken his position, it doesn’t disqualify him from saying anything.  It merely makes him a Yellow Elephant.

This is all so very obvious.

hannitized the chicken Rock Dove replies with:

OK?  And what part of that statement addresses the part where we don’t have enough volunteers to win wars?

Who says we don’t have volunteers adequate to the need?

Wich war did we win where a draft wasn’t required?  The Civil War?  WWII?

Revolutionary War, XYZ Affair, Barbary Pirates, War of 1812, Mexican War.  All won without conscription.

What you fail to address, Rodney, was the very clear point I made.

The day you make a clear point will be the day you remove your hat and shave your head.

Those who are pushing for needless wars that we don’t have enough war-fighters to fight shouldn’t be pushing for more wars unless they are prepared to pick up a gun.  Got it?  Or do I need to “explain it to you in detail using small words”?

We haven’t fought any needless wars this century.  And while we could certainly stand to increase the size of our Armed Forces, that is more budget limited than volunteer limited at this point.

And sirah, you have no right to disqualify any citizen from expressing their opinion.  Furthermore, unless you have a DD-214 you have no grounds to be commenting on this at all by your own standards.

Nobody is discounting opinions, were just saying they’re a frickin chicken.  What’s so hard to comprehend about that?

In which case I am in no way discounting your opinion when I note it comes from a chicken Rock Dove.

While the argument is less powerful when guys like Rob make an argument for needless wars when were short on volunteers does weaken his position, it doesn’t disqualify him from saying anything.  It merely makes him a Yellow Elephant.

And arguments from someone who does not know what he’s talking about and who asserts what which he does not support with evidence is the tactic of a second rate parlor pink and a chicken Rock Dove.

This is all so very obvious.

Yes it is, and you just don’t get it.

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Well,  I honestly cannot say with any degree of certainty exactly WHO I’m going to vote for this November, but I will say that I am carefully listening to, evaluating, and researching any candidates that claim they will try to work with their opposition and honestly try to eliminate all (or any) of the partisan posturing, because in my opinion, after reading the majority of the previous 70 + comments, our country could desperately use it.

Old&intheway

Talk is cheap, and a politicians promises are lighter than a feather.  Look to their actual records, what they have accomplished, the causes they have championed.  Actions speak far louder (and more reliably) than words, and a candidate with no record is a cipher to be avoided.

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There is now a post up on Operation Yellow Elephant in regards to Rob (just click on my name).

Wek,

I repeat for possible penetration: I find the proponents of the Chicken Hawk argument despicable.

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Wek made it personal in an illogical douchebag fashion.

The guy he hat-tipped has one comment by a guy named Geoffrey Kruse-Safford who is fantasizing about murdering Rob.

Liberals are unhinged.

Hey Wek, when you put “cowardice” in quotations who exactly were you quoting?  Me?  Or your imagination?  Because I’m pretty sure that I didn’t call the students at North Illinois cowards even once.

Which is something that just proves that you idiots read what you wanted to in my post, instead of reading the actual post itself.  And you were even dishonest enough to put words in my mouth about it.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Lik,

Holy Cripes!  What sort of logic can you expect from those who ‘prove’ their theories by field-testing them on a Playstation 2 and the game Grand Theft Auto.

I guess that’s as close as they are going to get to reality.

By the way, those fuckers stole my Hetero soldiers poster.  (after I stole it from another site…. dammit)

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Okay… ONE more…

Now DON’T STEAL IT!

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Rob,

I didn’t use “quotes” around cowardice I used ‘these’.  Exactly how Move_Zig put them around ‘prove’ in the comment just north of this one. 

Hey Move_Zig when you put “prove” in quotations who exactly were you quoting?  Me?  Or your imagination?

Who says we don’t have volunteers adequate to the need?

Who, besides the war fighters who are doing 3-4 tours?  Well, a lot of people.  You think we have enough troops to stay in Iraq, fight effectively in Afghanistan and also invade Iraq?  Just say so!

The Reserve, Helmly warns, “is rapidly degenerating into a broken force.” The Army National Guard is also in trouble: It missed its recruitment goals of 56,000 by more than 5,000 in fiscal year 2004 and is already 2,000 soldiers short in fiscal 2005. To keep enough boots on the ground, the Pentagon has stopped asking volunteer soldiers to extend their service—and started demanding it. Using a little-known provision called “stop loss,” the military is forcing reservists and guardsmen to remain on active duty indefinitely.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/6862691/the_return_of_the_draft/

We haven’t fought any needless wars this century.

Except for Iraq.  Or maybe it wasn’t needless as much as it was stupid.

And while we could certainly stand to increase the size of our Armed Forces, that is more budget limited than volunteer limited at this point.

Really?  Is that why we are increasing the pay for volunteers to re-enlist?

“It’s so completely unethical and immoral to induce people that have limited education and limited job ability to have to put themselves in harm’s way for ten, twenty or thirty thousand dollars,” Rangel says. “Just how broke do you have to be to take advantage of these incentives?” Seducing soldiers with cold cash also unnerves military commanders. “We must consider the point at which we confuse ‘volunteer to become an American soldier’ with ‘mercenary,’ ” Lt. Gen. James Helmly, the commander of the Army Reserve, wrote in a memo to senior Army leadership in December.

And sirah, you have no right to disqualify any citizen from expressing their opinion.  Furthermore, unless you have a DD-214 you have no grounds to be commenting on this at all by your own standards.

Again, I am not disqualifying anyones opinion.  I am just saying a lack of interest in serving to fight needless wars, that they are pushing for, weakens their argument for it.  And makes them a Yellow Elephant.  Dispicable!

In which case I am in no way discounting your opinion when I note it comes from a chicken Rock Dove.

Whatever buddy.  I at least suggest we put fourth a draft, to reduce the load on our current all volunteer force.  You can call me what ever you like, if it makes you feel warm in your belly.  It’s not true.  I don’t support wars I don’t believe in and i am not asking our war fighters to do more than their share.  Guys like Rob are. 

Further, I serve our military, government and country in a much greater capacity than Rob does, I will guarantee that.

And arguments from someone who does not know what he’s talking about and who asserts what which he does not support with evidence is the tactic of a second rate parlor pink and a chicken Rock Dove.

Whatchyoutalkinboutwillis?  Are you suggesting that I am lying Rodney?  Certainly you wouldn’t reduce yourself to that?

Wek made it personal in an illogical douchebag fashion.

Pot, meet Kettle!

I didn’t use “quotes” around cowardice I used ‘these’.  Exactly how Move_Zig put them around ‘prove’ in the comment just north of this one.

Even without the quotes, can you please show me the passage where I accused the students in Northern Illinois of cowardice?

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Part 1 of 2

Hannitized takes issue with my question “Who says we don’t have volunteers adequate to the need?” with:

Who, besides the war fighters who are doing 3-4 tours?  Well, a lot of people.  You think we have enough troops to stay in Iraq, fight effectively in Afghanistan and also invade Iraq?  Just say so!

The Reserve, Helmly warns, “is rapidly degenerating into a broken force.” The Army National Guard is also in trouble: It missed its recruitment goals of 56,000 by more than 5,000 in fiscal year 2004 and is already 2,000 soldiers short in fiscal 2005. To keep enough boots on the ground, the Pentagon has stopped asking volunteer soldiers to extend their service—and started demanding it. Using a little-known provision called “stop loss,” the military is forcing reservists and guardsmen to remain on active duty indefinitely.

Hannitized even provides a URL to that well known and authoritative Defense Publication Rolling Stone, to an article over two years old relating the recruiting shortfalls of 2004 and 2005, which have since been more than made good by strong recruiting in 2006 and 2007.

So, Hannitized, are you writing on a subject in which you don’t know your ass from your elbow, or are you lying by omission?

Hannitized “answers” my “We haven’t fought any needless wars this century.” with:

Except for Iraq.  Or maybe it wasn’t needless as much as it was stupid.

In the opinion of someone who cites Rolling Stone as an authoritative Defense Publication… 
Oh
My
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Hannitized “answers” my “And while we could certainly stand to increase the size of our Armed Forces, that is more budget limited than volunteer limited at this point.”

Really?  Is that why we are increasing the pay for volunteers to re-enlist?

“It’s so completely unethical and immoral to induce people that have limited education and limited job ability to have to put themselves in harm’s way for ten, twenty or thirty thousand dollars,” Rangel says. “Just how broke do you have to be to take advantage of these incentives?” Seducing soldiers with cold cash also unnerves military commanders. “We must consider the point at which we confuse ‘volunteer to become an American soldier’ with ‘mercenary,’ “ Lt. Gen. James Helmly, the commander of the Army Reserve, wrote in a memo to senior Army leadership in December.

As to why we pay volunteers to re-enlist, I’m surprised your experts at Rolling Stone failed to explain that one for you.  You see, it would cost more than the re-enlistment bonus to recruit a new service member, train them, and get them to the same level of experience as those members who are being offered the re-enlistment bonuses.  Seems economics is yet another terra incognito for you…

But going on to quote Charlie Rangle is just priceless.  He could actually derive benefit from the Rolling Stone Defense Education seminar, and this particular calumny is belied by the actual demographics of enlistees over the last 6 years, who have been disproportionately from the middle and upper middle income brackets.  For that you win the coveted, and never before used, second Ha Ha in one reply!

I had continued with: “And sirrah, you have no right to disqualify any citizen from expressing their opinion.  Furthermore, unless you have a DD-214 you have no grounds to be commenting on this at all by your own standards.”

Again, I am not disqualifying anyones opinion.

Yes you are.  You argue the man (ad hominem) vice the point.

I am just saying a lack of interest in serving to fight needless wars, that they are pushing for, weakens their argument for it.  And makes them a Yellow Elephant.  Despicable!

You contradict yourself thematically and literally (“Except for Iraq.  Or maybe it wasn’t needless as much as it was stupid.” vice “needless wars” above).  I’d say that does indeed make you despicable.

I had continued with: “In which case I am in no way discounting your opinion when I note it comes from a chicken Rock Dove.”

Whatever buddy.

Not of mine, pogue.

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Hannitized continued with:

I at least suggest we put fourth a draft, to reduce the load on our current all volunteer force.

You would fix a nonexistent problem by re-introducing the draft, so you could then encourage a new generation to burn their draft cards and get stoned.  I’ll stick with the professional all volunteer force we have and skip creating a new generation of worthless hippies.

You can call me what ever you like, if it makes you feel warm in your belly.

I could, but our host tries to keep this a PG kind of place (despite allowing louts like you in).

It’s not true.

What, precisely, is not true?  Other than the numerous whoppers you have offered above?

I don’t support wars I don’t believe in and i am not asking our war fighters to do more than their share.  Guys like Rob are.

We know you don’t support the troops.  We know you don’t support the war.  The troops are over there defending your sorry ass anyhow.

Further, I serve our military, government and country in a much greater capacity than Rob does, I will guarantee that.

I doubt that very much.

Hannitized wraps up with:

Are you suggesting that I am lying Rodney?  Certainly you wouldn’t reduce yourself to that?

I have said, and will now repeat, that you are either grossly ignorant of the subject matter on which you write or you are lying by omission.  I have no way of knowing which of those two cases obtains.  But by all means feel free to have your friends call upon mine.

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I at least suggest we put fourth a draft,

Fourth? Why not fifth!

Reinstating the draft is one of the worst ideas that the just plain chicken left has put forth in a long time. It is as unpopular as it is unneeded, and would go a long way to undermine the morale and competency of the outstanding all volunteer military we have today.

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

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Never mind the patently specious reasoning behind the suggestion of installing a military draft.  What I find absolutely enchanting is the hypocrisy of those making the suggestion.

After all, is it not the very same leftwing liberals who’ve been braying about “Chickenhawks” and insisting that only those with military experience ought to be commenting on military affairs and policy, who are now insisting, out of the other side of their mouths, that the US should institute a draft?

Anyone recall hearing that the Joint Chiefs are clamoring for a draft?  How about forward, combat area commanders?  General David Petraeus, perhaps?  He’d probably know if a draft was needed.

Any swelling chorus singing the praises of a draft from the field commanders, or the NCOs who actually run things in the military.  Any cries for a draft from among the milbloggers, either stateside or overseas?  I didn’t think so.

That same liberal cretins who would silence their opponents with their offensively stupid “Chickenhawk” argument, whose military experience is doesn’t even register, are violating their own rules and telling us we need a military draft?  Phooey!

If anything, this latest hypocrisy is but one more reason not to listen to those on the Left in the first place!

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One,

I’d say we have a text book case here (“Further, I serve our military, government and country in a much greater capacity than Rob does, I will guarantee that.”) of Dunning-Kruger effect

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Rodney,

Most of us learn to drop the hypocrisy, and the imaginary play pals, somewhere between the training pants and the teenage years.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Rod,

I think a little historical perspective is helpful.

When the ueber-Leftist Clinton took office, he declared seven military budget cuts in a row, but in the meantime, vastly boosted the military deployment tempo on useless meals-on-wheels deployments and subjected the troops to endless witchhunts like Tailhook and Aberdeen. 

The military was being bled white, worn out on endless and pointless deployments and as a result, was hemorrhaging highly skilled troops.

- Presidents and Administrations do not set budgets alone. Over the past 20 years, Congress added $45.9 billion to President Carter’s defense proposals, cut Reagan’s by $216 billion, and cut Bush’s by $22.9 billion. So far, Congress added $73.7 billion to Clinton’s.

- Whether the New York Times realizes it or not, the policy of “Engagement and Enlargement” abroad has the armed forces scrambling to maintain an operational tempo four times that of the Cold War. That was not anticipated in the Base Force reduction of 25 percent. It is now made all the harder since the force cut has reached 40 percent. Recruiting and retention problems are back, big time.

- The armed forces are not adequately sized, equipped, or funded to fight two overlapping major theater wars, which they are supposed to be able to do. In fact, the force was stressed by a single theater conflict, and a limited one at that, in Kosovo in 1999.

- Today’s military equipment is old, wearing out, and is not being replaced. Investment in new technology is lagging. Needed systems compete with each other for what money is available. On this course, our technological advantage will soon begin to diminish.

I didn’t hear Domestic Commies caterwauling about Clinton being a chickenhawk and how he had no right to send others to fight when he himself turned tail and ran.

How ‘bout that???

I should note that CodePink and MoveOn have remained stonily silent regarding exit strategies for the US troops in Kosovo—a deployment which I sense violates international law (Yugoslav troops were suppressing an internal, but externally-fed, insurrection, fueled in large part by Albanians who illegally settled in southern Serbia) .

I recall Leftist squawks of indignation as US troops blitzkrieged North towards Bagdad and looters were said to be going after 5,000 year old bits of pottery.

At that time I suggested that any concerned hippy pick up a rifle and man a post, and that there were recruiting stations on just about every corner. 

No takers, evidently.

Thus, Marxist-sympathizer harping on so-called hypocrisy is mirrored by their own actions.

Clinton, after doing his best to dodge the draft (yes his nation did call him and he did run) sent many troops to fight and possibly die overseas.

So, tapping that vein of inquiry ought to give you lots of ammo to smack these clueless and hypocritical Leftards with.

Lastly, I am in wonderment of how any Leftist could possibly serve our military, government and country in a much greater capacity than Rob does

Blowing sailors on leave doesn’t count as serving our military, by the way.

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Hannitized even provides a URL to that well known and authoritative Defense Publication Rolling Stone, to an article over two years old

Note how you un-cleverly avoid the fact that much of the quotes I was using as an example come from Lt. Col. James Helmly, Commander of the Army Reserve.  That sort of dishonesty is what I expect from weasels like you.  You will neither except nothing as evidence or acknowledge any good point that was made from your opponent.  You cite the source that wrote the quote in black in white ink instead of the person who actually made the comment.  Pathetic, childish and dishonest all at the same time.

You are not a worthy opponent.

In the opinion of someone who cites Rolling Stone as an authoritative Defense Publication…

Again, by dismissing the statements made by Helmly, you do yourself a disservice as do you insult the Commander.  Something I would expect from Robert, not you.

Hannitized “answers” my “And while we could certainly stand to increase the size of our Armed Forces, that is more budget limited than volunteer limited at this point.”

And where is your evidence or article to support that statement? 

You see, it would cost more than the re-enlistment bonus to recruit a new service member, train them, and get them to the same level of experience as those members who are being offered the re-enlistment bonuses.

Gee Rodney, really?  You don’t say?  Are you saying we can’t afford it?  Why is that?  Costing more isn’t an argument that states we shouldn’t or can’t add more military.  The volunteers arent there.

But going on to quote Charlie Rangle is just priceless.  He could actually derive benefit from the Rolling Stone Defense Education seminar,

Every time you ignore Helmly, you show yourself as the liar and intellectually dishonest person you are.

You contradict yourself thematically and literally (“Except for Iraq.  Or maybe it wasn’t needless as much as it was stupid.” vice “needless wars” above).

One, that’s not a contradiction.  Two, it was merely a smart assed remark to show that the war was stupid AND unnecessary. 

When I call Rob a chicken-hawk, I am merely pointing out he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.  He would rather other do the dirty work for him.  I am not opposed to a draft, and I make no lame excuses to discredit them.  Like you do in your disrespectful way.  You disrespect those men who fought and died for you in WWII and in the Civil War.  Of course you would put my head on a pike for showing such lack of respect for those who defeated Hitler and Japan, but you give yourself an excuse to make a cheap partisan attack.  You are become less and less of a respectable person.

You would fix a nonexistent problem by re-introducing the draft, so you could then encourage a new generation to burn their draft cards and get stoned.

Ahh.  Contempt for those who serve their country.  Nice Rodney. I know it wouldn’t take long for you to hurl the same type of insults you only accuse Liberals of making on the military.  This is childs play.

You disrespect those who defeated Hitler and Japan.  While I honor those men in more ways than you could ever imagine, you go about insulting them.  You can pretend you are the patriot, but your words speak louder than your actions at this point.

Hannitized sallies forth to demonstrate that he is woefully ignorant of that which he opines upon, a liar by omission, and a textbook presentation of the Dunning-Kruger effect:

Lt. Col. James Helmly, Commander of the Army Reserve.

The whole of the Army Reserve is not commanded by a Lt. Col. (O-5).

And the (2004 and 2005) shortfalls in recruiting were more than compensated by the recruiting in 2006 and 2007, so much so that the goals were met early for both years, including the shortfall from previous years.

Educate thyself, Pigeon.

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Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

H,

You would find yourself a lot less embarrassed, and the rest of us a lot less amused by your pitiful rhetorical antics, if you bothered to know what you’re talking about in the first place.

James R. Helmly, is a now-retired Lt. General, not Lt. Colonel as you’ve twice stated.

Now admittedly, that gives his voice, blatantly lonely though it was when he made the above remarks in 2004, a bit more credibility, but what it says about your ignorance is both shameful, and hideously funny, all at the same time.

You, who spew a steady diet of make-believe military compatriots and retired Flag officer Pooh-Bahs, don’t know the difference between a Lieutenant Colonel and a Lieutenant General.  Now THAT’S funny!

And now you go on, blithely ignoring your own humorous ineptitude, like some silly Mack Sennett comedy, oblivious to the end.

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James R. Helmly, is a now-retired Lt. General, not Lt. Colonel as you’ve twice stated.

Um…..so?  I got his rank wrong when I was hammering out a response before I went surfing.  What does this prove other than I made a mistake about his rank?

You have got to be kidding me Bat.

but what it says about your ignorance is both shameful, and hideously funny, all at the same time.

Haha.  Uhh…it doesnt say anything about me Bat, except that I made a mistake, while I was in a rush.  Please, go on.

You, who spew a steady diet of make-believe military compatriots and retired Flag officer Pooh-Bahs, don’t know the difference between a Lieutenant Colonel and a Lieutenant General.  Now THAT’S funny!

Oh, I see what this is about now.  It gets so under your skin that I have many high ranking military friends both retired and active duty, you have to kid yourself that I am lying about it.  Thats rich.

You keep pretending that I am making it up Bat, because it proves to me how much it really bothers you, despite the fact that you said you dont care.

And BTW, it doesn’t mean that I dont understand the difference between the ranks, it just means that I got the wrong rank, when I was rushing. 

It says a lot about your lack of an argument to have to focus on that as your main point.  Pathetic.

And the (2004 and 2005) shortfalls in recruiting were more than compensated by the recruiting in 2006 and 2007, so much so that the goals were met early for both years, including the shortfall from previous years.

And do you think this gives us enough troops to fight in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran at the same time?  Yes or no?

Just say it Rodney.

Yes or no?

We’re not fighting in Iran.  Duh.  A full scale invasion of Iran, should it be necessary(not very probable) would only take place after Iraq and Afghanistan are reasonably secured.  Duh.

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Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!