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Friday, November 23, 2007


Liberal New York Times Columnist Longs For A Different Version Of Rudy Giuliani

You know, the one that existed before he started running for President.

David Brooks:

Rudy Giuliani can play a little rough at times, but there are some moments when an inner light turns on and he turns downright idealistic. One of those moments came on Oct. 10, 1996, as he stepped on the podium at the Kennedy School of Government to deliver a speech on immigration.

“I’m pleased to be with you this evening to talk about the anti-immigrant movement in America,” he said, “and why I believe this movement endangers the single most important reason for American greatness, namely, the renewal, reformation and reawakening that’s provided by the continuous flow of immigrants.”

Giuliani continued: “I believe the anti-immigrant movement in America is one of our most serious public problems.” It can “be seen in legislation passed by Congress and the president.” (Republicans had just passed a welfare reform law that restricted benefits to legal immigrants.) “It can be seen in the negative attitudes being expressed by many of the politicians.”

Giuliani said, somewhat unfairly, that the anti-immigrant movement at that time continued the fear-mongering and discrimination of the nativist movements of the 1920s and the Know-Nothing movement of the 19th century. He celebrated Abraham Lincoln for having the courage to take on the anti-immigrant forces. He detailed the many ways immigration benefits the nation.

Then he turned to the subject of illegal immigration: “The United States has to do a lot better job of patrolling our borders.” But, he continued, “The reality is, people will always get in.”

“In New York City,” he said, “we recognize this reality. New York City’s policy toward undocumented immigrants is called ‘Executive Order 124.’ ” This order protected undocumented immigrants from being reported when they used city services. Giuliani was then fighting the federal government, which wanted to reverse it.

“There are times,” he declared, “when undocumented aliens must have a substantial degree of protection.” They must feel safe sending their children to school. They should feel safe reporting crime to the police. “Similarly, illegal and undocumented immigrants should be able to seek medical help without the threat of being reported. When these people are sick, they are just as sick and just as contagious as citizens.”

And before anyone says that Rudy has changed his feelings about illegal immigration since the mid-1990’s, consider this:

Just last year, I saw him passionately deliver remarks at the Manhattan Institute Hamilton Award Dinner in which he condemned the “punitive approach” to immigration, “which is reflected in the House legislation that was passed, which is to make it a crime to be an illegal or undocumented immigrant.”

To “deal with it in a punitive way,” he said then, “is actually going to make us considerably less secure than we already are.” The better approach, he continued, is to embrace the Senate’s comprehensive reform and to separate the criminal illegals from the hard-working ones.

These speeches are the real Rudy. These speeches represent the Rudy who once went overboard and declared, “If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you’re one of the people who we want in this city.”

You got that?  The real Rudy.

Illegal immigration is an important issue for a lot of Americans, and given the widespread public furor that prevented some amnesty-granting immigration legislation from passing in Congress last year it’s pretty clear how most Americans feel about it.  President Bush’s limp-wristed approach to border security, coupled with a desire to give illegals amnesty, was bad enough.  But do we really want a President who actually wanted illegal immigrants in his city?

Can we afford a President who wants to give illegals access to our already burdensome welfare state?

Rudy likes to paint a different picture of his illegal immigration stance now, but he’s just trying to fool us.  In the “issues” section of his campaign website Rudy doesn’t even address the illegal immigration issue.  Probably because he’s not all that keen about going on record with it.

Which should probably tell us something.  Rudy’s good at pleasing conservatives with smooth speeches about cutting taxes, and funny one-liners about Hillary Clinton.  But when it comes down to brass tacks, on certain policies (illegal immigration being one of them) Rudy just isn’t someone conservatives should want.

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You got that?  The real Rudy.

well, if a lib NYT columnist says it, it must be true.

But the anti-campaign finance reform Fred is the real Fred…b/c well…he’s so nice and on the Right Side of all the other issues. 

Rudy has probems on immigration, but no more than any other candidate (besides Tancredo).

its vintage duh on November 23, 2007 at 10:48 am
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Rudy has probems on immigration, but no more than any other candidate (besides Tancredo).

Now there’s an endorsement.

By the way, have you seen Fred’s immigration plan?  It’s what we should have been doing since day #1.


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Rob on November 23, 2007 at 10:53 am

Rudy’s boning up on the art of saying one thing and doing another.

Business wanted cheap labor and your government gave it to them. Now they want you to pay for it instead of having business pay for it. It’s that simple.

ews48 on November 23, 2007 at 11:28 am
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By the way, have you seen Fred’s immigration plan?  It’s what we should have been doing since day #1.

is fred still running?  huh.  who would have guessed it.

and if i remember right, he has some bad immigration votes in his senate record.  hmmmm.  guess we shouldn’t trust him either.

its vintage duh on November 23, 2007 at 11:31 am

he has some bad immigration votes in his senate record

Don’t suppose you’d care to provide us with any proof?

I didn’t think so.


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The Whistler on November 23, 2007 at 11:38 am
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Funny/sad thing is that Brooks is supposed to be the resident ‘conservative’ at the NYT.

Which means he is probably a somewhat centrist Democrat…

Pappy on November 23, 2007 at 12:04 pm
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Being a “conservative” at the New York Times means being things like pro-choice and pro-amnesty but able to talk about those who disagree with you without insulting them.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 23, 2007 at 12:20 pm

ews, you are really on a roll today. Tell me, does spewing leftarded crap this often make your jaw sore and throat burn, like excessive vomiting?


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2Hotel9 on November 23, 2007 at 03:26 pm

I’ve always considered Brooks a conservative columnist…faithful supporter of Reagan, the Bushes, etc. If my impression is wrong then it seems to me that American conservatives are defining their philosophy into such a small box that you’ll never see your candidates win power. Is it maybe possible that Brooks doesn’t agree with you on this issue and thus your refusal to claim him as an American conservative?

Just curious.


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MikeAdamson on November 23, 2007 at 04:42 pm
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Conservatives are individuals, Mike, not a monolithic group of people who must agree on everything.

I, personally, don’t consider Brooks to be all that conservative given his stance on a number of issues.  I really don’t care about what label he uses to describe himself, or what label anyone else uses, but I do think it’s funny that the Times uses him as their token conservative.

Certainly we can agree that there are degrees of political ideology, and that Brooks is something of a milquetoast conservative.

Of course, he may as well be Rush Limbaugh compared to the rest of the Times staff.


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Rob on November 23, 2007 at 04:50 pm
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Just imagine!  The New York Times longs for the ‘real’ Rudy Guiliani! Oh, puhleez! David Brooks is busy doing what every liberal essayist and blogger is working overtime to do: STOP THE NOMINATION OF RUDY GUILIANI! His poison-pill essay has one purpose: STOP THE NOMINATION OF RUDY GUILIANI! More than anyone, the left fears this man because he is the ONLY Republican who can beat Clinton, Obama, Edwards or Gore [should he run] and syphon 25% or more of the democrat base. Every national non-partisan poll says Rudy will beat any of them! Hence, liberals will do everything they can to drive a wedge issue - any wedge issue - between Guiliani and the GOP because they must STOP THE NOMINATION OF RUDY GUILIANI. The left knows they can beat McCain, Romney, Paul, Thompson or Huckabee. Is Rudy my ‘ideal conservative’? Nope. Is he my candidate? Yes! Need convincing? Start practicing now, learning to utter - without choking - the following: “President Hilary”, “President Obama”, “President Edwards” or “President Gore”. See how much easier it is to say “President Guiliani”.

pparets on November 23, 2007 at 05:08 pm

Rob…thanks for your reply. I know that Brooks’ conservatism is not typical of that espoused in the conservative media and on the popular conservative blogs…it’s quite old fashioned with its emphasis on pragmatism and continuity. I would never consider his views liberal though. Your title just struck me as interesting but your point about the variety of positions within conservatism is well taken.


“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

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MikeAdamson on November 23, 2007 at 05:25 pm

Brooks may be a lot of things, but a real conservative is not one of them. He spends a great deal of time kissing liberal butt, has no guts to stand up to liberals and is generally disgusting.


In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman on November 23, 2007 at 05:32 pm
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